>>61825215 It wasn't a suicide note, have you even read it? It doesn't mention anything that could even be interpreted as being related to suicide until the last few lines (which as you know are in a different handwriting)
>>61825691 Yes, there no way he could shoot himself up literally 3 times, then wipe all his finger prints off the syringes, then shoot himself, then wipe the prints off the gun and move the shell to the other side.
>ITT: A bunch of kids who just watched Soaked In Bleach.
The dude had an absolute shit life up until the last 4 years of it. He was hopelessly addicted to heroin, and married to a psychotic bitch who made him feel worthless. He achieved his dream of sharing his art with the world, and peaced out at 27 like he always talked about doing as a teenager. Thats it.
>>61825945 >forensic experts confirming the amount of heroin he injected to be lethal for any person >fan fiction haha okay Courtney, even the Seattle police had admitted by now that it was a lethal dose
>>61824663 This fucking cunt right here. Unbelievably, he gets accepted into a decently popular band and gets to enjoy a ride on the coattails of Kurt Cobain into musical super stardom. But wait, sitting in the back of the biggest band of the 90s isn't enough for this freeloader. No, he's gotta be upfront and center, he wants his "fair" share of the glory, so he tries to get his own material into the mix with shit like Marigold. Kurt only accepts this to make his band member happy as well as to keep band morale high, while taking a little stress off his own songwriting since it would have just been a Dave song anyway. Kurt even allowed it on the Heart-Shaped Box single, but no, that wasn't quite enough. Everyone would still think he was just another drummer in the band's history that could easily be replaced, which was a reality Dave couldn't risk.
>>61826072 Dave knew he could never outshine Kurt, no matter what. Kurt Cobain was the absolute king of popularity during the Grunge era, Dave couldn't elevate himself above that, He knew he had to eliminate him from the picture entirely. He would have to devise the greatest backstabbing scheme ever concocted. Best of all, he knew he could get away with it too. Kurt's health has always been subject to self deprecation and drug abuse so Kurt was at his most susceptible towards the end. Also, Rock drummers don't historically do very well with any attempts at a solo career, so nobody would suspect him to jeopardize his already successful band like that. But, at the same time, Kurt was becoming increasingly weak and more unstable, to the point where he had to cancel tour dates due to his condition. In response, Courtney flew to Rome, where the two had a heated argument which resulted in Kurt finally calling it quits with Courtney. As consequence of Kurt leaving her, it's suspected Love attempted to overdose her already indisposed ex with Rohypnol and champagne which put Kurt into a coma or 20 hours. These events led to the band being once again put on temporary hiatus. Dave knew it was now or never. Courtney was in. If only he could utilize her in a concrete plan, instead of leaving her to make messy attempts of her own.
Unfortunately for Dave, everybody, including himself, knew the drummer from nirvana couldn't accomplish such a feat entirely on his own, so he needed help. Who else could benefit as much Grohl with Cobain out of the scene? Who else was close enough to manipulate Courtney? Who else is egotistical enough to believe they could take over the whole alternative scene for themself? None other than Billy Corgan. Was the killer in him the killer of Kurt? With Cobain gone, no one could impede on the success of his monumental masterpiece: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, from breaking through to the top of the charts.
>>61826111 There was only way to get to Cobain: through the Love of his life and the mother of his only child. Poor susceptible, strung out Courtney Love only wanted to be with her man (and his money) but Kurt belong to the public, not just her. Grohl saw this opportunity and seized it. He put Courtney into the plan and got Corgan to implant his seed, the seed of Cobain's demise. Kurt was far too busy expanding tours and writing new material too realize who or what even happened. Although, he wasn't without suspicion. Kurt sought out one of his closest friends, the best man at his wedding; someone he could trust. Dylan Carson, to obtain for him a shotgun. Dylan recalls "He said he wanted the gun for protection. He had the cash, He insisted on me buying him the gun." Loose lips Courtney confronted Kurt about an infidelity, which she played off as an April fools joke at first, she couldn't confess with whom she cheated on or what she had done exactly. In fear of losing the entirety Kurt's estate and the easy life for her and their newborn daughter. Kurt couldn't handle this, so he gets mad. he gets high. Too high that he never came back down. He's had enough. All according to plan. Kurt got way too fucked up, so much so he wasn't capable of anything, including either attacking or defend himself. Totally blitzed and out of his mind, an incapacitated Kurt looked on as he saw his bandmate, his friend Dave Grohl, as he placed Kurt's unreleased letter of resignation, as sent to Courtney but with a final paragraph added (so poorly written, it could be a foo fighters verse) hyperbolizing an implicated, more ultimate meaning. Dave had done it. They had won. Courtney and Corgan are so excited they have exceeded, right after Kurt's death The Smashing Pumpkins replace Nirvana as the headliners of Lollapalooza 94 and Specifically on the Philadelphia date, Courtney joins Corgan on stage where she portrays herself as a victim pleading remorse for her recently deceased husband.
>>61826135 Courtney is nuts, Krist is devastated and the world is in awe. Not Dave, he's got a music career to pursue now. What a better way to start than with a solo record expressing the guilt and loss of such a dear friend who practically handed him his career, on an album with all parts credited solely to him? look at what he can do all by himself, outside of anybody else shadow. The greatest accomplishment of Grohl's career can't go even without gloating. He even hints this in his songs: "I swear I'll never give, in I refuse", "I've got another confession to make", "confess!" and most eerie of all "Use that evidence race it around". But how could loose lips Courtney Love not eventually spill the beans, if she ever truly loved the father of her child? Only, because everyone assumed it was her. Why did Courtney pretend to be Kurt's mother when calling in the missing person's report to the SPD on April 4th? Why did Courtney release that cropped image of Kurt with the toy gun, shortly after his death? When Courtney found out that Kurt fled rehab, why did she contact a PI instead of the police? She was far too involved with it to be absolved of any consequence herself. She even flew to L.A. for the sole reason of an alibi. Although, she did show one glimmer of remorse. She did try to tell someone... Layne fucking Staley. He could have blown the entire thing wide open too, if he weren't just another unbelievable junkie. The worst part is that wasn't the end. Dave is still being a piece of shit person, making shit records to this very day, purely in spite of the man who enabled him in the first place. Fucking cunt.
>tfw courtney love is a genius mastermind capable of murdering one of the most famous men in the entire world >tfw courtney's body of work is everything KIRK/nirvana wishes it could be >tfw courtney WON
>>61826760 Did I lie? Kurt "fans" come with these stale allegations when no one gives a shit. They know what she did, and nothing will ever be done because she is of a higher level. She is the most powerful woman in the world. She is your superior. She is our superior.
>>61827640 And the worst part of it is how overrated his death made him. He's not even that good, Young Thug is an overall better artist.
And Im not just talking about 1017 Brick Squad Young Thug. Im talking about 1017 Brick Squad, Little Haiti Style Thug holding 2 Cups Stuffed, with Danny Glover bitch saving capabilities who just got a check, money and power, surrounded by 800 capsules of molly, rolling with an RO-5 caterpillar while getting his bitch with a big ship to transport him into his Paradise Noble Phantasm while keeping one in the chamber like Wilt, not to mention covering his clothes, bros, and hoes in Givenchy, popping a Xanny (which makes him faster than Sonic man), and eating a bowl of Spaghetti with all sacred Bando gates previously opened by Gucci Mane in his possession, who just summoned Metro Boomin who hasnt gotten some more, London on the track, the Bool Bids from Bleveland Ave and the entire 808 Mafia to assist him.
>>61827161 >implying they didn't have a pre-nup >implying she didn't cheat on him >implying she didn't use his death to promote her album >implying sales for Nirvana records didn't go up massively after he was murdered >implying half is as much as everything (not that she would have gotten half, not even half of the money he had then, let alone half his estate)
>>61827092 >they were divorcing anyway, everyone knew this >she was going to written out of his will >prenup so she couldn't get anything in the divorce >after he died she got literally got everything he owned even up to a billion in royalities courtney's also a confirmed controlling person from her ex boyfriend
>>61827713 >>implying they didn't have a pre-nup  >>implying she didn't cheat on him Not relevant. >>implying she didn't use his death to promote her album She already had a record deal as well as the promotion in place. She didn't need his death to become famous, she alreday was. >>implying sales for Nirvana records didn't go up massively after he was murdered They were already the biggest band in the world at the time. He would have been more valuable alive to make more records, if this is your logic. >>implying half is as much as everything (not that she would have gotten half, not even half of the money he had then, let alone half his estate) She would have gotten half and then alimony, which is enough to be set for some time. learn2law
>>61827743 What was his motive? >>61827731 >In 1997, Love discussed the track in an interview with Melody Maker, saying that the song was "partly someone else's composition", though she didn't specify whom. "It's something somebody had a little bit of and I said 'let me have the rest of it' and I wrote this thing in it and tried to make it goth. I found it, wrote it, and recorded it the same night." On February 14, 1995, Hole played the song as a part of their MTV Unplugged set in New York City.
>>61827856 >What was his motive? dave had written the first draft to "learn to fly" and showed it to kurt and kurt called it "dumb gay shit." dave was enraged. even after he killed kurt he was still insecure about the song which is why it took him until '99 to record it.
>>61825678 >suicide was proven impossible by the amount of heroin in his system alone >Depending on purity and the user, a lethal dose of heroin may range from 200 to 500mg, but hardened addicts have survived doses of 1800mg and over. http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/heroin/overdose.htm
>>61828008 how dumb do you have to be to think i was being serious? or that any of the #stopdave meme is serious? like before i said this you really thought "yes these people unironically think dave killed kurt"?
>>61828119 Wait why did you think the Dave Killed Kurt meme (which is old as hell) was real? Jesus Christ /mu/ has gotten dumb, people can't even joke around anymore without someone going to Wikipedia.
>>61828414 >you mean other than the fact that she put out a missing person's ad for kurt under his mother's name So? >calling him suicidal and all that He was though. >or the fact that she had a practice sheet inside her bookbag Oh did you personally look in it?
>>61828218 it's not his word, it's literally recorded conversations of her blatantly lying and contradicting herself
not that this is anything exclusive to that movie anyway, she's an obvious liar, if you were able to watch her interviews in Montage of Heck without being able to tell she was lying then I feel sorry for you
>>61828672 >it's not his word, it's literally recorded conversations of her blatantly lying and contradicting herself A heroin addict lying and contradicting herself! Wow, who'd have thought! >she's an obvious liar, Oh do you know her? >if you were able to watch her interviews in Montage of Heck without being able to tell she was lying Or rather you are making the claim that she is lying, you need to prove it.
>>61828727 >A heroin addict lying and contradicting herself! Wow, who'd have thought! do you think investigators use that idea when a heroin addict is accused of murder and just give him the benefit of the doubt? your'e a faggot.
>>61828885 >she lied About what? >he was not as even kim gordan and thurston moore dont think so Did they not hear the song "I Hate Myself And Want To Die"? >besides the fact that this is on record 
>>61829147 >she didn't own the music rights of his Neither did he. It was owned by Nirvana Ltd. >and was soon going to lose everything because kurt was going to divorce her Not how divorces work >prenup 
>>61829070 i'm truly at a loss for words please google the definition of damage control, then proceed to take five times the lethal dosage of heroin and somehow shoot yourself afterwards because retardation is a disease
>>61829155 ah yes, the emotional irrationality in your logic reveals itself. you have no evidence supporting your claim. if we are projecting what is more likely based on personality types, it is more likely that kurt offed himself like he had been alluding to for years. he had a well known reputation of taking extreme measures and self harm. he may have been murdered, but he seemed to have come to terms with death and displayed suicidal behaviour.
>>61828903 about him being suicidal because she and kurt said that it was an accident about what happened in rome and the doctor himself disproved the theory that this was a suicide attempt >"The last image I have of him, which in light of the tragedy now seems pathetic, is of a young man playing with the little girl. He did not seem like a young man who wanted to end it all."
>Did they not hear the song "I Hate Myself And Want To Die"? he was going to name his album that but dumb people like you would take that seriously too, he was being sarcastic > besides the fact her own lawyer believes it's forged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srwrVFiXH5U there's also the movie and this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3271385/VIDEO-EXCLUSIVE-Experts-examining-Kurt-Cobain-s-suicide-note-suggest-murdered-dramatic-teaser-new-documentary-Soaked-Bleach.html
>>61829501 being a rockstar is was clearly not a comfortable experience for him. he was a reclusive, heroin addicted mega star. these are not things associated that mild, safe people do. also, people who do heroin dont care about health. it seems to me like kurt just wanted to be known, revered and remembered. and he did anything he thought would gain peoples attention, including ending his life is a blaze of glory, going out on top as shockingly as he possibly could
>>61829628 even if this is all true, it still doesn't prove that it was a suicide and it should at least be examined thoroughly so that there isn't a shadow of a doubt as to what happened and this can all be laid to rest
>>61828130 he said he did it to make sure he'd die even if the shotgun blast didn't kill him, did you even watch the video you retard? He said he literally had a couple minutes to pull the trigger before he'd lose consciousness. It takes seconds to pull a trigger.
>>61832306 It would be awesome But it's like saying "do you have any idea how big the shitstorm will be if it's confirmed that aliens built the pyramids?" It's not going to happen and we don't need 5 threads a day full of childish speculations and tin foil theories.
>>61833278 >he said he did it to make sure he'd die even if the shotgun blast didn't kill him, did you even watch the video you retard? my point was that it was a lethal dose (which he confirmed ), you claimed it wasn't >He said he literally had a couple minutes to pull the trigger before he'd lose consciousness. he's wrong, most people who die of heroin overdoses are found with the needle still in their arm... >It takes seconds to pull a trigger. yeah, but it takes longer than seconds to take the needle out, put the cap back on, put it away, roll his sleeve down and pick up a shotgun and aim at his head and shoot himself
>>61833482 first of all, i'm not that guy. Second, you believe the police officer when he says it was a lethal dose but not when he says he would've had a couple minutes to pull the trigger. That's cherry picking, which is something you conspiracy theorists can't seem to realize that you're constantly doing.
>>61834036 Lol its the definition of cherry picking, you have the same guy state two facts but you choose to only believe the one supporting your theory.
Listen. When another guy in the thread asked for proof that it was a lethal dose, you linked the video with the police officer. You want proof he couldn't have pulled the trigger, go watch the video again, it should be proof enough by your logic.
You're the one disagreeing with the police officer, prove him wrong then.
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