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It seems Bowie has caused a meme reset, so let's have an honest discussion: after almost a year, what do you think? I still think it's decent, the first couple songs are fantastic but there are some moments here and there in the rest but overall not as good as GKMC
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>meme reset

why did i laugh at this?
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>>61812390
I personally think it's slightly weaker than GKMC. I can see it being AOTY from a cultural perspective, but I don't think it was anywhere near. AOTY musically

still good though
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It's objectively not the best hip hop album of 2015. Objectively. There are at least 10 releases better than it. Everybody knows this, except those in denial.

It only dominated critical charts because it was somehow "relevant" as if that means ANYTHING musically + all critics are balding Elvis Costello looking-ass self-hating white nu males.
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Extremely mediocre hip-hop album. What ends up being its most memorable moments are its shortcomings.
>YA'LL NIGGAS BOOBOO
>THIS. DICK. AIN'T. FREE.
>I GOT A BONER PIC
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If you like this album you are either:
1. White and guilty feeling for no reason.
2. Black and looking for a scapegoat for your failures.
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>>61812390
Still the best album of 2015.
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>>61812485
This
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>>61812390
>we wuz kingz n shit we dindu nuffin
>so hol up muh nigga we kill all whitey

True masterpiece
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>>61812390
>>61812444
>objectively
Nah m8. It's the best record of 2015. For me- subjectively.

I still love it, and I prefer it over GKMC.
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>>61812491
Must be a real boring fucker, you are. You realize there's more music out there that isn't covered by p4k and TND?
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>>61812496
Whom are you quoting?
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>>61812508
Because you're a self-hating white teenager who didn't even listen to hip-hop five years ago.
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>>61812510
i love this
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>>61812508
>memerap fan thinks music is subjective
What a plot twist.
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>>61812510
kekking
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>>61812485
Haha. Do you see the irony in your post? Rightie whities are pissed that blacks and whites both enjoy the album. So instead of try to come up with their own "better" music, they choose to yell "you just like it cuz you got white guilt!" as a means of distracting people from their own shortcomings (i.e: the distinct lack of good releases from white artists in 2015).
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>>61812485
If you actively dislike this album you are either:

1. An insecure whiteboi
2. Same as above
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>>61812550
Surprise you don't have a trip. I'm ashamed of you anon, you're better than this.

>>61812532
>self hating
nope
>teenager
nope
>didn't listen to hip hop 5 years ago
nope

But oh god yes, I am white.
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>>61812496
Where are your pyramids famalam?
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My favourite part of these threads comes just after people point out Kendrick's stupid fucking lyrics, when the dickriders start justifying it by saying he is rapping from the perspective of a stupid person.
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>>61812580
I enjoyed plenty of music that came out last year from people of every colour.
SPOILER: It wasn't because of an outdated political message.
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>>61812629
I am better than using a tripcode? Yeah, I am. That's exactly why I'm not using one.
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>>61812641
My favorite part is when /pol/tards misunderstand lyrics and roll with their incorrect interpretations and then circlejerk over them, while being completely unaware that the rest of us are laughing at them. Look at the number of geniuses ITT who actually believe TPAB is racist against white people.
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>>61812669
>people of every color
Indian? Native American? Aboriginal Canadian?

the fuck outta here boy, you don't even know every color
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>>61812518
Let me rephrase it then. Still my favorite album of 2015.
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>>61812390
I don't rap albums that make white people feel bad because white people created/funded hip hop.
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>>61812669
Mind telling me what that political message was?
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>>61812688
Just because it's not racist doesn't mean it's good.
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>>61812429
Uh TPAB is one of the best hip hop albums "musically" I think any skilled musician would agree
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>>61812688
If the rest of you are laughing, why are you so mad?
>>61812692
You managed to reply without actually responding to the point of my post. Great job.
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>>61812390
AOTD
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>>61812719
The point of your post was bullshit too
>lookit how progressive I am, and i don't even mean it! ain't i special? ain't I a liberal dream come true?

fuck outta here
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>>61812731
Maybe, not sure what else was released on that day. I doubt it, though.
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>>61812701
>[...] white people created [...] hip hop.

DJ Kool Herc isn't white.
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didn't click with me; I enjoy King Kunta and The Blacker the Berry but the rest doesn't strike me as special in any way. some of the funky beats were nice i guess but overall 5/10 at best.
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>>61812738
>still missing the point

I think I'll stay for a little while :^)
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>>61812714
Never implied that. Why did you even reply?

>>61812>719
>why are you so mad?

How am I mad? I was pointing out the naivete of some of the shitposters ITT.
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>>61812711
WE WUZ KANGZ AN SHEET
THEY KILLIN US FO NO REASON
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>>61812775
Whom are you quoting?
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>>61812738
>>lookit how progressive I am, and i don't even mean it! ain't i special? ain't I a liberal dream come true?
The irony of this coming from a TPAB fan.
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>>61812783
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>>61812775
Good. That means you didn't understand the album. You've essentially confirmed what I mentioned in my other post: >>61812688 .
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People who
GKMC > TPAB
are plebs
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>>61812485
I'm confused

I'm neither white nor black and I think this album is a 7-8/10. Tell me who I am and what I'm supposed to think
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>>61812801
Why don't you go ahead and tell us what it's really about then, and we'll all pretend to give a shit.
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>>61812778
Kendrick Lamar
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>>61812717
Please stop this meme immediately
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>>61812821
GEE
KAY
EM
CEEEE
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>>61812832
What track of his specifically? Could you link to a lyrics website?
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>>61812550
>fag who thinks music is objective
Please off yourself
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>>61812829
You've probably succeeded in enjoying the album purely on it's musical merit like 5% of the fans of it.
Unfortunately Kendrick had hardly anything to do with how the album sounds.
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>>61812485
I can't even understand the lyrics and I think it's great, so fuck you.
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>>61812861
Could you link us to a song on the album where Kendrick DOESNT say the words "dindu nuffin"?
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>>61812869
I too am neither black nor white, and I enjoy the album for its lyrical content and flow in addition to the instrument arrangements. Now what?

>>61812831
>and we'll all pretend to give a shit.

No need to be butthurt after losing an argument. Do yourself a favor and listen to TPAB with the lyrics up.
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>>61812884
Refer to this post:
>>61812869
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>>61812896
>I enjoy the album for its lyrical content
My sides.
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>>61812887
The philosophical burden of proof is on the person that asserts a claim. Link me to a song where he says those words.
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>>61812801
This meme of saying that criticism of an album is bad because the listener didn't "understand" or "get" the album is wearing thin. Yes, I understand that the anon you replied to wasn't actually stating useful criticism or doing anything more than shitposting, but I'd rather have a thread of memes than a thread of people who think they've won an argument simply because the opposing party failed to show up. You don't get to take any kind of moral high ground just because nobody articulates criticism, and you sure as fuck can't cast aspirations as to the intelligence of those against you when you're communicating on an anonymous mongolian recipe sharing forum.

I like TBAB, but I think your getting bogged down by misunderstanding baited shitposting as a failure to grasp the enlightened view that you have been blessed with.
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>>61812918
I am the guy who has posted nearly every negative comment in this thread, and this guy is right.
>>61812917
You're claiming that the album is good, so burden of proof is on you.
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>>61812911
Not need to be jealous, [email protected] Some people are simply unable to appreciate and understand high art.
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>>61812580
>lack of good releases from white artists
Hey the fuck out of here, Conde Naste.
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>>61812896
>I too am neither black nor white
transnigger?
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>>61812940
I never even said the album is good. You claimed the message on the album was "we wuz kangs an sheet" and that every song on the album says "dindu nuffin", and I challenged you to prove your claims. Don't try to sneak you dishonest bastard.
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>>61812956
>posts picture of paid/whiteguilt reviewers ratings
>spouts "you just dont get it" meme

Yeah, it's definitely the non-fans who are lacking in understanding..
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>>61812390
there was a thread about it a few days ago

general consensus was that it was garbage
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>>61812956
High art is specifically reserved for a people who have the intellect and cultural exposure to be able to appreciate it. It is, by definition, non-compatible with acceptance by the masses. Posting an aggregated score of mass media reviewers doesn't prove that this album has reached an upper echelon of art. I wouldn't dare say that it DISproves it, but don't think you've won because your tastes line up with cultural pundits
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>>61812918
What are you even getting at? If you judge a release without understanding it, you're essentially a hack whose opinion on the matter is NOT the least bit relevant. I have every right to call out said hacks. Get back to me when you have legitimate criticisms about the album.
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>>61812976
You're replying to someone who admitted in the very same post to being bait.

Kendrick fans are clever.
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>>61812990
>whiteguilt

See >>61812580
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>>61812444
I can definitely see you thinking it's not the best, but 10 releases better than it? Like to me it's my AOTY but I'm not a retard so I can respect other opinions, but what other 10 rap albums did you like better? I can think Summertime 06, Compton, T&Y, DS2, maybe TPTB?
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>>61813002
Okay, if TPAB isn't high art, and people ITT STILL aren't able to understand it, doesn't that put them in an even worse position?
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>>61813003
>>61812956
"You only don't like it because you don't get it"
This argument is applied to spray-painted turds in modern art museums on a daily basis.
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Just a daily reminder you're all playing Kendrick game's
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>>61813041
>I'm gonna judge this book by its cover
>No, you can't tell me otherwise!
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>>61813018
>i.e: the distinct lack of good releases from white artists in 2015
Wow, you're right, this album doesn't encourage racism against whites at all!
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>>61813076
>Listening to the album with headphones and lyrics open while doing nothing else is judging it by the cover.

It was still shit, sorry.
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>>61813079
calling out racism =/= racism
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>>61813116
You're racist
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>>61813036
Oblivion access
barter 6
rodeo
south side slugs
uk2uk
more perfect
Season
The Ecology
Ill Street Blues
Sour Soul
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>>61813040
Your pitfall is that you're confusing shitposting with ignorance. You assume that a failure to articulately criticize a piece of music is indicative that no such criticism can be made, or else that the offending party simply doesn't have the attention span or brain power to "understand" or "get" the music.

People on /mu/ do, at the end of the day, have relatively good music tastes, an ability to acutely and actively listen to music, and the command of the english language necessary to articulate thoughts and ideas. The choice to infuriate elitists rather than subject their opinions to scrutiny of others is just one of the consequences of using this place as a medium. It does not grant you the right to feel superior or any sense of accomplishment.
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>>61813116
Calling out terrible albums by black artists =/= racism
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>>61813108
Still waitin on that "articulate criticism", [email protected]

Lemme get the half-assed generic ones outta the way for you. :)

>boring
>it's been done before!
>ugh, it's racist against whites!
>flavor of the month meant to appease black lives matter supporters.
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>>61813145
This guy knows. I've spent hours genuinely criticizing this album in these threads and have actually had some great conversations because of it.
Now I'm just having fun making you mad.
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>>61813156
What about people like >>61812485 >>61812496
who outright admit their dislike for the album is linked to "racism"?
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>>61812629

>I am white.

I knew this. AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

It's obvious. Whiteys critiquing Hip Hop, Whites buying Hip Hop (guns, drugs, black empowerment), White rating Hip Hop, by Afro-americans. Whites consuming Blacks.

It's obvious. The consumers, whites. The producters the blacks.

It's obvious. You like it? The "culture"??? You like like? Blacked.com forever.
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Forever.
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Haven't listened to it since it came out. Jazz rap doesn't need a revival, go do something interesting Kendrick.
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>>61813171
>Still waitin on that "articulate criticism"
There's your problem, then. Why does what I think matter to you? I came here to angrily hate on an album I don't like, not to intelligently discuss the reasons why.

>boring
>it's been done before!
>ugh, it's racist against whites!
>flavor of the month

Oh they've been said before, so they mustn't be valid opinions. Same goes for anything positive you have to say, I guess?
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>>61813145
>pitfall

Nah boi, I remember to protect my neck.

>You assume that a failure to articulately criticize a piece of music is indicative that no such criticism can be made

I'd like to have a legitimate discussion about the shortcomings of TPAB (I have several myself, to be honest). Instead, all I see is shitposting and general buzzword being tossed around as legitimate criticism.
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>>61813257
>I came here to angrily hate on an album I don't like, not to intelligently discuss the reasons why.

That's all I needed to hear. We could've saved a lot of time had you opened with that post.
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>>61813207
Then they are telling you directly what their reason for disliking the album is.. What else do you want?
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>>61812390

GKMC is good, but "To Pimp a Butterfly" simply falls flat. You can do conscious records without all of the cliche trimmings. Musically, the sampling and production is very impressive, though. Especially with the lack luster production in HipHop that's been taking place in the last 10 years or so. I will say though, GKMC and TPAB are vastly more incredibly than any recent HipHop artist releases.
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>>61813303
None of my time has been wasted :^)
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>>61813171
>>61813303

>OP asks what people think of the album.
>Some people respond negatively, some positive.
>This guy only questions those who responded negatively.
>Pretends he wants to have a genuine discussion and isn't just defending his Dindu Anthem of the year.
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The literally entry level culture, the surface of music. The obvious leftist Agenda approach. Obama's activist favorite. The "is not all that" but because the audience, we pretend to love so much it, it's classy, holy shit, you know, hahaha, rap.

Pathetic how.... Chuck D (Black In A Man), did literally the pro-black album in 2014, but no one bough a fucking Music Media to him.
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>>61813404
I agree with your points, but you type like Netjester.
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>>61813404
Chuck said all he needed to say the late 80s/early 90s. Time for some fresh perspective from the next generation.
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>>61813437

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGrMQKAB1_o
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>>61813493
>fresh perspective
>TPAB

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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>>61813493
Kill yourself dickrider.
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>>61813529
Pic related

>>61813518
Yeah. Chuck and Kendrick grew up in different environments. Black-white relations have changed a bit since It Takes A Nation Of Millions was released. They have similar messages. but their respective audiences are/were exposed to different socio-political climates.
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>>61813595
Regardless of anything Chuck D has done, the statements in TPAB are in no way at all fresh.
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>>61813670
They are to this generation of black youth. They're growing up in an environment where black rights groups are abundant, so the Kendrick's message focuses on whether or not the black community is in fact progressing or simply trying to apologize for itself through the use of said groups/organizations. Whereas back in Chuck D's day, it was more about trying to band blacks together to form said black rights groups.
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>>61813759
Nah. This album is shit.
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>>61813840
see >>61812956
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>>61812390
TPAB>Cartoon and Cereal>GKMC>Section.80>Hop Hop in 2015
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>>61815203
trash
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>>61815231
sorry boss but you don't know shit :^)
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>>61812390
Not a big fan of the actual songwriting on that album. Definitely inferior to several other notable hiphop releases of 2015.
>pic related
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Personally, even though I'm late to the party, while I liked this album, I think my personal AOTY was Blurryface. Does that count as technically hip hop or is it something else?
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>>61812390
I think Kendrick's flows, rhymes, lyrics sound just weird sometimes. On all of his albums. I don't really have much to say about Kendrick. I enjoy his music

I liked the "old school" beats on Section.80. Some of the clean "trap flavored" beats on GKMC made me sick. The beats on this album are great imo. With FlyLo, Thundercat, Knxwledge.. what can you expect?

Oh, the tupac interview was a bit cool and pretty fucking lame at the same time.
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>>61813219
I remember when people actually put effort into baits.
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>>61813143
>Oblivion Access
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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>>61817321
>>61812485
Funny thing that the album is mainly critical of black culture, with only a few tracks touching on racism and discrimination
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>>61812390
I hated it from the moment I listened to it, but after revisiting it I think some of the more relaxed or traditional funk tracks like You Ain't Gotta Lie are actually decent. Overall it's about a 5 or 6/10, and anybody who thinks any more of it is blinded by "muh cultural relevance". It'll go down as the Sgt Pepper of this generation regardless.
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People who think this album is genuinely 10/10: where are the 10/10 moments? At what point are you thinking, "wow, that was legitimately beautiful"? This album is a jumbled mess of half-baked ideas and can only be described as "good" at best.
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>>61812485
Thanks for telling me how I feel about this album based on something as trivial as my skin color!

Douche.
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