can someone explain why people prefer Low over Heroes? didn't understand when I first heard both years ago, still don't understand now.
also how is Beauty and the Beast not one of his most classic songs?!
I love both albums, two of my favorites of all time but the Low hype really is ludicrous at this point. To me, Heroes in the best album I've ever heard. I feel like it's a cohesion of Low's concept.
it's not just the pop ballads it's everything on the album.
it's like Low was Bowie fucking around, trying to see what works, and Heroes was him making an actual album out of what did work.
I mean P4k considers it AOTD for the 70's. it's clearly a popular belief
Heroes is his best album but I don't think it's by a lot. I'd give Low a decently close #2 spot.
That said holy shit Heroes is a masterpiece. There's almost nothing wrong with the entire album and it's immediately engaging from start to finish IMO
There are 0 albums I enjoy that are smattered with shitty pop ballads.
You made a thread about an album full of pop ballads being better than another album.
Fucking go back to /v/ or /fit/ with your shit taste
>That said holy shit Heroes is a masterpiece. There's almost nothing wrong with the entire album and it's immediately engaging from start to finish IMO
It feels new whenever I listen to it. The next track always comes as a bit of a shock.
The second side of Low was really cool for the experimentation and the fact that Bowie was a pop musician willing to go there but it's not even remotely on the same level as where Neu! was
The melancholy that is practically slathered all over Low is what made it so engaging, especially after not only what went on in his personal life, but artistically too. STS was beginning to go that way with the likes of word on a wing but there was a sarcasm. Low was genuine, it was raw. 'Heroes' is for when you feel like you're just getting out of the shit and nothing can stop you, Low is for when you've been stopped and have to go walk through it, ever so slowly
Artists don't belong to genres you fucking retard. Bowie mostly makes pop music but calling "Heroes" pop is questionable since the song structures don't entirely adhere to traditional pop formats, there's a decent amount of improvisation in both the lyrics and instrumentation and a lot of the songs don't really have a focus on any kind of prominent melody.
I always enjoyed Low for it's story behind it, manic to depressive feelings on the first side, and the vibrant, interesting instrumentals on side 2. Heroes is just as great, but I am forever connected to Low because it helped me through a very dark time in my life.
Heroes was the only bowie album my in my dad's record collection. Coincidentally it was the first record I listened to front to back.
With that bias noted, Heroes is my favorite and remains the definitive bowie album for me. Everything else seems false.
I just listened to both of these and they fucking sucked.
Not being ironic/baiting.
"Space Oddity" is the only good song he's ever put out.
These two albums are like slightly interesting instrumental wise and then Bowie adds absolutely nothing of value from a melodic standpoint.
the chorus of sons of the silent age is my favourite moment in music. it's so lush and huge sounding, and it has pop appeal, but it's so unnerving at the same time.
i never understood why people don't give heroes the credit it deserves. it's every bit as good as low. it's like people just completely forget about it except for the title track
heroes would be better if the ambient on it weren't garbage. but instead of the subtle emotional pieces on low's second half we get three needlessly melodramatic and campy tracks that really fuck up the record.
This is gonna sound really stupid, but even though Heroes has better songs, Low is a better album. Like, it flows better and has better atmosphere and a more cohesive theme. Get what I mean?
I agree that Heroes is better. Heroes is a perfect album. Low is very good, but it is flawed for sure. The first half is what stops Low from being perfect all around.
Also, I completely agree that Beauty and the Beast is criminally underrated. What an amazing opener.
I personally haven't listened to Heroes nearly as much as Low, but I find myself liking the ambient arrangements of Low a whole lot. The Speed of Life is a friggin' awesome song.
Is it just me or does the last song completely kill the album? It should end with Neukoln, Secret Life ruins the mood for me. It should've been removed, or put on the first half of the album somewhere.
I prefer Low to Heroes because it focuses more on Eno's synths, and leans less towards pop. It has far less ballads than Heroes, I often find myself dazing off during many of the tracks on Heroes. The guitars on Low are weak compared to Heroes though.
That's not the original, I didn't actually listen to it. That's a remix.
There's the original. Regardless, still an awesome song. I get a lot less of a Death Grips vibe and more of a Nine Inch Nails vibe, probably because Trent Reznor did this song with Bowie.
And it's funny because it's one Eno did the most work on, whle this "accusation" commonly brought on Low.
Also it's proto Talking Heads.
Eno probably played least on Lodger out of all. While Eno was a valuable contributor on these three albums, I believe that his contribution is somewhat overrated, and Visconti somewhat underrated. But there's no denying it's Bowie's show.
I just listened to Heroes for the first time because of this thread and the last song choice makes zero sense. It's honestly fucking unacceptable. The album could've ended without that last song appearing at all and it would have been perfect. God damn it
>And it's funny because it's one Eno did the most work on
I didn't know this, but I can totally see it being so. Lodger reminds me alot of Before and After Science to the point where I can see the embedded song fitting in perfectly within that album.
It was, and by Visconti as well. They did heavy treatment of the drums, such as some time and pitch effects on the snare notably on Sound and Vision. I think Bowie intentionally lo-fi'd some songs sometimes. Notable songs with weirdo fucked up production are Scary Monsters from that album, and Diamond Dogs, from that album.
It works on some songs like Breaking Glass, but I agree when it's downright distorting like in Sound & Vision it is to much. The basic vocal recordings where clean tho
Low would be better if instead of four melodramatic electronic pieces that all sounds the same using the exact same instrumentation, there more closely resembled Heroes second side, which uses a variety of instrumentals to evoke the emotions of complex war themes, notably the bombing of Japan on Moss Garden and the plight of Turkish immigrants on Neukoln.
I don't think a single person disagrees that it's out of place. I think it's meant to communicate the sense of moving forward. Think of it as the end sequence f the movie where bowie is looking at berlin from afar, and then hops on a train to turkey to seek his next adventure.
Also, he summarizes Station To Station, Low and Heroes in like two lines, it's brilliant.
>I was running at the speed of life, through one inch thoughts and fantasies, when I saw your eyes in a crushed face.
"I was moving so fast, unable to look beyond myself and my glib nazi fantasies until I encountered the real Germany and was shaken into reality.
I've been going through his studio discography since he died and had never heard Lodger before since I was worried it wouldn't hold a candle to Heroes and would be disappointing, fucking loved it though. The Idiot is one of my favorite albums and when I heard Sister Midnight in Red Money I lost my shit
"Heroes": the most cohesive and full-fledged of the three, it's the most straightforward too but you can definitely hear Eno's sound on it.
Low: soundscapes, trying different things, good ideas but almost all tracks sound underdeveloped (2-minute-long tracks that just keep the same idea and fade out tend to leave me wanting for more).
Lodger: maybe the most experimental of the three, a few great songs but many are more "interesting" than really enjoyable in my opinion, and all in all it's a bit uncohesive and hit-and-miss.
"Heroes" is the only one I find entirely satisfying, honestly. None of those are in my favourite Bowie albums, I like Ziggy Stardust, Hunky Dory and Outside best.
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