>>61674824 Yeah, shittily put on my part. I just have such an aversion to calling them "punk" because they're just not
>constantly bitching about "suburbia" >whining about how hard it is to be teenager is the full extent of their social commentary >compare Green Day to bands like The Clash, Minor Threat, Black Flag and try to bring yourself to call them "punk"
>>61675318 i dont get why people are like this with green day (at least in terms of their old stuff). if someone refers to a band like social distortion or agent orange as punk no one really cares yet they are just as poppy
Disorder isn't "the most important punk band" but they are a punk band, so they're closer to being "the most important punk band" than a band that isn't punk.
But they aren't even the most important pop punk band. If "important" means "popular" then you're right, but if "important" means "influential" and "groundbreaking", then they aren't. If you want to hear a much more important pop punk band, here's Stiff Little Fingers.
>>61676196 ive definetly heard people refer to those bands as punk. my point was that people always seem to need to mention how not punk green day is when other bands get a pass. i mean shit. rancid is a really poppy band too but they are "punk" to most people.
>>61676415 Green Day make pop punk music, mainly, but to say as a whole they aren't punk at all - which it seems like everyone does - is complete retardedness imo. They are huge influences on today's pop punk and they, Rancid, and Offspring basically brought punk back into the mainstream. So yeah, you can call them commercialized but then again so were the Sex Pistols and everybody worships their cocks.
You're absolutely right that the Sex Pistols were heavily commercialized, as were a lot of 70s punk bands. But "commercial" doesn't mean "pop".
What makes Green Day pop punk and Sex Pistols just regular punk is not about $, it's about song structure, intention, and audience.
Green Day is appealing to a much larger audience ("POPular") because their riffs are catchier, their hooks are hookier, their chorus lyrics are memorable and get stuck in your head. Sex Pistols were kinda catchy, but it's not like they were heavy on catchy melodies - they were barely melodic at all.
And, of course, the intended audience - Sex Pistols would have spit on most of Green Day's fans, if they saw them on the street. That doesn't make them cooler than Green Day, it means that they weren't interested in appealing to people - the opposite, usually. Their appeal, their draw, their method of increasing the number of punks in the world was by that rejection. Green Day does it by attraction.
One is not "real" and the other "fake". They're different genres of music.
Who gives a fuck what most people think. There are a great number of very wrong things that most people think. Are you worried about what those cool punk kids think about your favorite band?
What's interesting about that is that the idea that pop punk is fake actually adds to its appeal, rather than detracting from it: the people who like pop punk feel alienated by traditional punk (are you happy if I call it "traditional punk"?), so knowing that it's "fake" allows them to access it.
When Johnny Rotten spit in your face, he laughed with his friends about it. Billy Joe intentionally missed, and then winked at you when his friends weren't looking.
>2. Punk is an umbrella, pop punk falls under it
You can think of punk as a family if you want, but there is a kind of music called punk that would exist without the rest of the family members.
>>61676968 >What's interesting about that is that the idea that pop punk is fake actually adds to its appeal, rather than detracting from it: the people who like pop punk feel alienated by traditional punk (are you happy if I call it "traditional punk"?), so knowing that it's "fake" allows them to access it. >When Johnny Rotten spit in your face, he laughed with his friends about it. Billy Joe intentionally missed, and then winked at you when his friends weren't looking. What drivel is this
>You can think of punk as a family if you want, but there is a kind of music called punk that would exist without the rest of the family members.
Yes, punk is an umbrella, and below it is punk rock, hardcore, post punk, pop punk, emo, melohxc, post hxc, screamo, crustpunk, metalcore, beatdown, etc etc
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