Classical is dead only in the sense that new works will never come close to the greatness that was Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, or Monteverdi. The spirit of the music, however, lives on. There are still people around who are open to the message of these masters, however few.
>>61584681 >Classical is dead only in the sense that new works will never come close to the greatness that was Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, or Monteverdi. This was written in 1981. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK3YoFSQp08
>>61585036 >literally 2 days ago I could post more recent stuff that's really quality but I thought I would post something that would rival Mozart, Bach, Beethoven. That shit doesn't come around all the time. Imagine if every year had a Jazz album better than A Love Supreme or Rock album better than Pet Sounds.
>>61585149 damn, bodied, desu I'm not that into classical more into techno, I know that must set off alarm bells in ur head but if there are composers like haas that you think are better I would be open 2 & grateful 4 recs :)
>>61584681 >new works will never come close to the greatness that was Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, or Monteverdi define greatness there are obviously new(er) works that are better than anything they ever wrote, but what is greatness (and who cares)?
They're right. No recent classical music is good and just makes an outdated style of music look even more outdated. No classical composer working today will;ever match the works of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Debussy, Chopin etc
>>61585270 >pleb >not the person who listens to Haas >>61585306 >No classical composer working today will;ever match the works of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Debussy, Chopin etc I guess you haven't listened to any then. see >>61584699
>>61585063 >that would rival Mozart, Bach, Beethoven You know that all of their work is generally considered to be pinnacles of their respective genres right? And that they produced it consistently year after year? And so the fact that you struggle to find music that would rival it ("that shit doesn't come around all the time") seems proof that classical is dying, no?
>>61585361 >And so the fact that you struggle to find music that would rival it But you don't. Wagner matched them a few decades later. Then Debussy/Stravinsky/Schoenberg. Then Boulez and more arguable modern names. If you aren't closedminded and an idiot, then there have consistently been people to match the old masters.
>>61585390 >Then Boulez and more arguable modern names. This is the era we're discussing though. Now is the dark patch in classical history. No one is disputing Wagner, Debussy, or even Stravinsky (how many of his late works are performed).
>>61585521 >tries to convince me he listens to classical music by posting his music folder full of music he never listens to oy vey we've got ourselves a young one! >>61585525 >he listens to glass, part, film soundtracks >thinks he can comment on classical music epic, my friend
>>61585561 >>he listens to glass, part, film soundtracks Are you genuinely retarded? You asked what 'modern classical musicians' were popular, I told you which ones were popular, not which ones I listened to; Jesus, is that hard for you to understand? I'm actually listening to Sofia Gubaidulina right now.
>>61585623 >there's a separate backlog folder So you're the average /mu/tant who doesn't care about music, just crunching through as many "patrishun" albums as possible? Even worse. >>61585630 >Gubaidulina You aren't helping your case. Seriously, just fuck off if you don't know what you're talking about.
>>61585630 And by the way I find it hard to believe someone with a good knowledge of classical music would refer to contemporary composers as popular 'modern classical musicians'. popular 'modern classical musicians' equally covers Shostakovitch, Furtwängler and, taking a less technical definition of "modern", Andre Rieu.
>>61585662 I'm beginning to suspect you know very little about classical music. Do you have a last.fm or rate your music or something that would show us what you actually listen to (presumably death grips and the occasional '50 most relaxing classical hits' cd)
>>61585928 Don't think you do to be honest. Your profile screams 'I've never been to a classical concert but i'm really into le western art music I pirated guys xD' without knowing anything about the formal and/or technical aspects of the music.
>>61586026 I could post my credentials but personal information on RYM/4chan is fucking stupid. >>61586050 do you not know how memes work lewronggeneration is for people who only like the old shit like Mozart, Bach, Beethoven you tard
>>61585883 there's still plenty of post-Schoenberg music in that sense, too. why are you raging so hard dude? is it inconceivable that maybe someone out there listens to as much or more music than you do?
>>61586123 >plus art is dead and vile now see >>61586050 >>61586131 Wait, but how can you claim shit like Grisey and Ligeti are better than Boulez? >austin peralta OHHHHHHHH so YOU'RE the person detailed here: >>61586026
>>61586167 >questioning my credentials is this another avenue you would like me to embarrass you with? I am confident I have more and better degrees than you.
And I never said anything about Grisey, Ligeti, or Boulez. Just that Schoenberg's influence extends further than the quality of his music. And as to the original argument Boulez is hardly modern. He was on the same path at the time of his death as in the 1980s, and even then his output was infrequent due to his other duties - hardly apt for comparison with Mozart or Bach.
>>61586257 >and even then his output was infrequent due to his other duties - hardly apt for comparison with Mozart or Bach. >comparing output of modern composers/artists to classic Get a load of this ignorant kid. People don't music as much as they did back then, that's why there aren't any impressive catalogues to compare. Only rare people like Milhaud and Hovhannes have large catalogues and those two are spotty as fuck. The quality of all Boulez' works is equivalent to the highest tier of Mozart's (which, let's remember, is half great and half mediocre).
>>61586290 >People don't music as much as they did back then wrong >Milhaud and Hovhannes have large catalogues and those two are spotty as fuck. wrong >The quality of all Boulez' works is equivalent to the highest tier of Mozart's wrong >which, let's remember, is half great and half mediocre wrong
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