/gg/ guitar and bass general

are g&ls meme guitars? are they for poor people? i was thinking about getting one

>>61571236
A lot of US made G&Ls go for 2k. Are you talking about their Tribute series? They are pretty well made, better than MIM fenders

>>61571301
thinking of getting a legacy

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reposting this in the hopes that someone here has experience with one of these. Thanx gurl

>>61571236

No. Rondos are for poor people.

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alright guys, is this a good starting guitar?

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I ended up using the materials at hand. A venti-sized Starbucks straw both cut to length and folded inward before being pushed into each of my tremolo springs. I measured on a closed spring so shorter than expected. Fucking perfect result, though! No more sproing.

>>61571617
Seems OK

>>61571645
Yeah that'll do it. I use the foam from BKP boxes. Tape also works.

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Got her gutted today, going to order some GFS Power Rails tomorrow morning.

There's one fret that needs filing. Other than that, I'm probably going to do a refinish. A guy in the last thread suggested getting a Bigsby and also stripping the finish, burning the wood, and putting a clear coat on. Probably going to get the Bigsby, but I'm pretty sure the body wood is ugly as hell so I'm weary about stripping the current paint off

Fret scalloping sounds fun as well. My dad would probably like to try that out with me

>>61571658
I wouldn't strip the wood and put a clear coat, in fact i wouldn't refinish at all, I don't think you'd like what you see under the paint. it wouldn't be pretty wood under there.

>>61571700
lol i didnt read your whole post sorry>>61571658

>>61571700
If I did take the paint off, I would burn the wood before doing a clear coat so it looked all charred and shit

>>61571617
Bullet Strats are notoriously dodgy, look for used higher end Fender/Squier stuff and you'll get a better deal

>>61571658
you might have difficult time with a bigsby due to the carved top, make sure you get one that fits. I imagine there are several mays to get around this. You should put VCC controls in mang. series parallel fade is really nice, especially since your getting such warm pickups. You might want to be able to thin out the tone somewhat. A lot of times people want more bass until they get it.

>>61571725
I would look up if anyone else has done this. I can imagine a few technical problems, since to get a charred look you'd have to pretty heavily damage the smoothness of the wood. It could also make sanding and cleaning the wood before finishing difficult. I wouldn't want to be a pioneer in this area.

>>61571617
That's a very cool color scheme, but for that price I don't think you can do a whole lot worse than that on a strat style guitar. I'd look for reviews of other budget brands online of I were you, especially video reviews. Amazon and such are really poor sources for reviews. You want more pro reviews than just customer reviews.

I dunno if this is the right place to ask but, what the hell do I do with my bass? I picked it up and played it for the first time in a few weeks and I dunno what to do with it, I can't afford further lessons currently, I don't understand sheet music enough to continue in my book, all that happens every time I pick up this bass is I practice the boogie woogie for hours because it's the only thing I give a shit about playing and really love playing, what do I do to improve right now?

>>61572203
boogie woogie bass solos

>>61572243

I think you overestimate my ability

>>61572284
boogie woogie scales

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Messing around with tones again today. If I wanted to thicken up the rhythm guitar with reverb where would I want to put it in the signal chain and what sort/how much reverb should I go for?

https://clyp.it/2bdcoxlp

tl;dr how can I tell if my bass amp/speaker is fried?

So I bought an AB/Y pedal online that turned out to have ground loop problems, and it produced an incredibly loud squeak/hiss/whine while at a volume level that during normal playing should only be as loud as a conversation.
Startled as fuck, I quickly turn off and remove the pedal from my chain, and then turn my amp back on to assess damage.
I haven't played at performance level volume yet, but everything seems fine, except when I have a specific config of my other pedals that muffles the tone (similar to volume clipping).
My amp has a tube preamp, if that is important.

>>61572094
Shit senpai lmao

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sup senpai

i've got a yellow danelectro d56 u2 from the 90s with the bridge switched out for one with individual intonation. pic related but the pic's not mine. playing effectless with custom-gague strings for open tuning for an twinkly emo/math band, into a fender frontman 212

i just started a powerviolence band and i'm working on my setup. i have a schecter omen seven, which isn't the best but gets the job done. how can i get that beefy / raw PV tone without dumping a shitload on a massive-ass amp?

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>>61571215
>stale bread >>61558718
top kek, I applaud your humor sir, chuckled heartedly
>>61570693
>ampeg micro and two 410s
>pretty good cheap but not crap rig
Right in the poverty. Pic related.
As a student poorfag living in a underdeveloped country, my gear consists of a chinese 300W PA head and a Behringer 15" full range cab. Ampeg Vr200w Micro retails for 550 dollars here.
>>61569926
Really good taste m8. Classics will always be classics. Back when I was 15 I'd have called you a pleb because I hated Fender headstocks on basses though kek. If I was going to get a new bass with no budget limit it would probably be a MIA Fender Precision. I've been seduced by the tone for a long time and the look has grown on me despite the fact that I used to dislike it on the basis that it looks "too similar to a strat". Would never get a 5 string though, at least not one with a 4+1 headstock. It still triggers me to this day kek.

>>61571617
Not to come off like a rondo shill, but you're better off with a SX. If you can though, get a Squier Classic Vibe, they are unbeatable for the price. If you can't, try to get a Squier Standard. I don't know much about Affinity and Vintage Modified series, although seafoam green strats with lipsticks look dope as fuck. They make me want to get on a surf table and I don't even know how to surf.

>>61571658
>rocksmith strings
lel, well meme'd

>>61572203
try tabs. I've been a bassist for 6 years and I can't read sheet music. I've even played in several gigs when I had a band.

>>61572504

oh nono, I love sheet music, I'm pretty good with reading it, it's just getting to the point in the book where it's on all four strings and it heavily confuses me, my teacher actually had to push me to do tabs more often because I don't bother with them

>>61572479
What? My friend gave me a set of those rainbow neon coated DR strings and so I said fuck it and stuck them on my girlfriend's guitar that she no longer plays

Which is why the guitar is now in my possession

Which is why I am using it as a mod platform

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>>61572585
Sheet music can often be impractical for stringed instruments. Try tabs, or better yet, try Guitar Pro tabs. They also include sheet music and are playable.
>>61572635
At least play Rocksmith mang :^)
I played for a while but gave it up after I got bored. I'm actually considering getting a set of DR meme strings but in neon green or red. Will order them from the US since here in Uruguay you practically need to sell a kidney for a set, kek.
Do you think they would look too ugly on my transparent blue bass?

>>61572660
>5 strings
The height of faggotry :^)

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>>61572695
I play exclusively in B standard. Go somewhere else with your failed memestry.

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Pic related. Halp.

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>>61571658
>star inlay

not much you can do about it though if it was free

are you using this to learn about mods?

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>2016
>still playing the stringed jew
>having to spend money on strings regularly
>having to tune regularly
>having less than perfect intonation
>having anything other than just pitch
>having to worry about jack noise
>having to worry about setup
>having fret buzz
>having to carry tons of extra gear around to get the sound you want
>having to hydrate the wood periodically
>having fret wear
>having saddle buzz
>having limited range
>having to worry about the wood species your instrument is made of
>having feedback
>having parts that rust away in your instrument even if you take care of it
>having to carry the load of the instrument while playing, thus hampering your playing ability
>having to worry about your strap falling off and your instrument getting damaged
>having to modify your instrument with impractical and ugly strap locks to prevent the former
>having lacquer cracking
>having to refrain from smoking near your instrument because lacquer is flammable
>having your poly finish steal tone from you
>having to shield your instrument
>having to polish your instrument's finish regularly using expensive polishes to prevent tone from going to shit
>having to put extraneous objects into your neck pocket
>having to worry about sustain blocks
>having to change expensive parts of your instrument to change your tone
>being an outdated, string-strumming troglodyte plebeian
>not embracing the patrician instruments of the future

>>61572303
comp > OD > dist > delay > modulation

>>61572923
lol whos your inspiration, richard wright? fucking pleb lol

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>>61572455
>Not to come off like a rondo shill
>you're better off with a SX
ayyyyy

>>61573016
actually ray manzarek
based doors realized there's no need for a bass guitar when you can have a superior instrument

>>61572930
I know standard chaining, but using a reverb that way is a fairly unconventional approach.

>>61573029
i agree

bass players are the only thing worse than people like you

>>61573039
the best doors songs don't feature guitars either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DED812HKWyM

Seriously, what's the appeal of playing a guitar? Literally the worst instrument ever.

>>61573033
if you move your reverb up it will only fuck your signal, but maybe that's what you're going for on the rhythm. I would just invest in a fuzz pedal desu

>>61573089
I have a handful of fuzz pedals, it's not the sound I'm going for though.

>>61573072
Experimenting with pedals, tunings, and such. Not everything has to be power chords and guitar solos.

>>61573184
>Experimenting with pedals, tunings, and such.
refer to
>>61572923
>having to tune regularly
>having limited range
>having to carry tons of extra gear around to get the sound you want
>having to polish your instrument's finish regularly using expensive polishes to prevent tone from going to shit

>>61572660
What's even the difference between rocksmith and playing through tabs on tab pro?

I have a bass guitar that I dont know how to play

the latest songs I recorded are these


http://vocaroo.com/i/s1QSlHKHJNge
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Wpr524wP0X
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1c0KiP7KCMF

>>61573249
>having autism

>>61573249
Who the fuck polishes their guitar to prevent shit tone?
Do people actually do this?

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>>61573249
a computer could take your job very easily daddeh

>>61573402
>>61573319
>>61573292
>taking this guys bait this hard

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>>61573319
>he has shit tone because he doesn't know he needs to polish his guitar with special products
pic related
>http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/guitar-cleaning-0104-2011.aspx
>>61573292
>projecting
>>61573402
>implying there are computers capable of making music by themselves by 2016
They will eventually substitute all of us though. And don't fool yourself, synthesized tones are already as good as amplified ones
>>61573474
>bait

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>>61572923
>>61573249
>>61573319
>>61573483
>tone polish
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-gaNZCDN0w

>>61573474
>not counteracting shitposting by shitposting

senpai.

>>61571503
With what? Truss rods?

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>>61573544
>i don't even need to debunk this
>everyone that has an EQ of more than 63 knows this is bullshit
>muh evil corporations
So it's just a big ad hominem to slander Gibson. Well played. I guess some nobody on the internet knows more about what makes a good tone than the people who have manufactured some of the most iconic and desired instruments in the world. Yeah, sounds about right.

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>>61573544
>gibson is part of a conspiracy to trick people into doing things that won't affect their toanz
It's not like they need to lie to make money, they make some of the finest guitars in the world. Leave the shilling tactics to Rondo and other similar companies.

>>61573729
i didn't have this webm, thanks m8

>>61573781
you're welcome m8
do you enjoy BCS?

>>61573794
yeah, really psyched for season two

Michael McKean is a national treasure

>>61573817
>yeah, really psyched for season two
me too, I've been anxiously waiting since the first one ended
McKean rules and so does Bob Odenkirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJAHeio8kss

>>61573843
>and so does Kevin Costner
FTFY :^)
btw that guy nailed it with the playing and tone but relics are fake and gay

>>61573474
>bait
>implying he isn't right on everything he said
It's 2016, guitars are obsolete technology, face it.

>>61573249
>having to tune regularly
maybe if you buy a shit guitar
>having limited range
What the fuck are you gonna do? Go play a concert of high frequency notes for dogs?
>having to carry tons of extra gear around to get the sound you want
If you're gonna play live, you're gonna need more than just the keyboard. You probably still play for grandma though.
>having to polish your instrument's finish regularly using expensive polishes to prevent tone from going to shit
???

>>61573967
>maybe if you buy a shit guitar
Top kek, is that why there are so many portable electronic tuners around and even rockstars use them? Is that why pitchblacks sell so well?

>What the fuck are you gonna do? Go play a concert of high frequency notes for dogs?
You know what I meant.
>2016
>needing another musician so you can have both a bassline and a main melody
Before you bring up ERGs, remember that they sound like shit due to having inadequate scale lengths for either the high or the low strings. Either your low end sounds anemic or your high end sounds like crap.
>If you're gonna play live, you're gonna need more than just the keyboard. You probably still play for grandma though.
Maybe if you buy a shit synth :^). At most I need to take my synth and my amp in the rare occasion that the venue has no decent PA system.
>guitar
>pedals
>a shitload of cables
>amp head
>amp cabs
No thanks

>???
Read the Gibson link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeCRzRBvWA4

>>61573967
Oh and nice projection with the "ur grandma" line

>>61573955
I know this is bait, but rock and metal are the highest selling music genres by a fairly large margin.

>>61574076
Tuning pedals are used in live rigs because weather differences and heat from stage lights can knock guitars out of tune. To be fair the same thing can fuck up the tuning of an analog synth and require fine tuning as well.

>Before you bring up ERGs, remember that they sound like shit due to having inadequate scale lengths for either the high or the low strings
Fanned frets.

>Maybe if you buy a shit synth :^). At most I need to take my synth and my amp in the rare occasion that the venue has no decent PA system.
So you play some sterile workstation then? Whoa wow.

>>61574087
I'm not sure hitting play, the still picture was enough autism, I don't wanna catch it. If you're afraid of revealing your identity just use the still album cover or point your camera in a way your face can't be seen.

>>61574101
>implying synth can't substitute guitars in rock and metal

>2016
>having an instrument that needs to be tuned because of weather
Wew lad

>analog synth
I thought I had made clear I don't play obsolete crap

>fanned frets
Nice meme. You know that's not nearly enough. Guitars and basses have scale lengths differing as much as 11 inches for full sized instruments.
>So you play some sterile workstation then? Whoa wow
>muh organic sound
Have you been brought to 2016 by Doctor Emmett Brown from the 19th century? Do you believe in meaningless esoteric bullshit such as "mojo".
Holy shit, no wonder vintage dealers make fortunes selling archaic junk. You guitarists are dumb as fuck.

>>61574123
>I'm not even
Fucking spell checker

Not a guitar guy I thought you guys might wanna hear this https://youtu.be/7brXycvcWgs

>>61574212
>So you play some sterile workstation then? Whoa wow
>muh organic sound
So you do? Alright then I think we can safely disregard everything you say then if you honestly enjoy a workstation.

>>61574307
>>61574212
I don't even know why I replied to your previous post, you probably believe a 57 year old antiquated guitar is some unmatched instrument and something to call home about. Guitarists will hype anything out of superstition, it's fucking disgusting.
Also my workstation is only as sterile as the player programming it and pressing its keys.

>>61574347
>Also my workstation
>muh Jordan Rudess
Lmao fuck off m8. I'm sure your mom thinks it sounds just like a "real" orchestra.

>>61574364
>dude ur mom lmao
>2016
How does it feel to be stuck in time?
>Jordan Rudess
>projecting your plebeian tastes on me
Dream Theater is boring music with no feeling. It's literally pretentious "muh complexity" fedora music.
>thinks it sounds just like a "real" orchestra
>implying it isn't possible to make it sound like one

>>61574511
>This preset sounds just like a trumpet!
>I better go tell /gg/ about it and remind them guitars can't sound like that.
>N-no I don't like D-Dream Theater w-what are you t-talking about?
>MUH JORDAN RUDESS
Just like a trumpet? Wow! Lmao.

>>61572923
>>61573029
>>61573072
>>61573249
>>61573483
>>61573648
>>61573729
>>61573955
>>61574076
>>61574089
>>61574212
>>61574347
>>61574511
>being this butthurt
>being this delusional
>having this much of a chip on your shoulder
Did your band fire you and hire a guitarist in your place? Are you a failed guitarist? Did your gf dump you go a guitarist? Did you get KEKED by a guitarist?

>>61571617
>>61572455
Affinity is not great, vintage modified is a lot better.

You should look for classic vibe like this guy said, Classic Vibe is a guitar you will still use once you are actually into guitar a bit more. Vintage Modified is great for a little less money, dont touch bullet and affinity, they are shit.

>>61574551
>using presets
It's not a Casio m80... You either shape the waves yourself or load samples. Also instrument simulation isn't even the most important part when it comes to emulating an ensemble, the most important things are loops and tracks.
That said, I don't play classical. There's no point in keeping playing 17th century music in 2016. Specially considering those very compositions wouldn't even exist if all they did was to play 4 centuries old music. I play modern music, from elerctroacoustique to post-rock, chillwave and ambient industrial, among other genres.

>>61574610
>being this butthurt
>being this delusional
>having this much of a chip on your shoulder
Nothing about that is accurate though, I just can't stand people stalling progress. BTW the answer for all your questions is no, except for the last one. I've been laughed at in the past by a guy who happens to be a guitarist, but it was a comic sketch unrelated to music.

>>61572923
I play synth but this is just delusional.

>>61574797
It's very real and you know it m8. I don't hate guitars, all I'm saying is they don't make sense anymore. They are obsolete by now. Embrace the future before it blows up in your face.

>>61571503
I can help you but need to know more. But just for starters there's too many winds on those strings, it looks like low e has 6, should be no more than 3 no less than 2. It looks like the strings are binding on the post. That's gonna cause all kinds tuning stability problems. I'll check for the next couple of hours if you respond.

>>61574704
>>61574762
>I don't have a chip on my shoulder I just have a chip on my shoulder
>This one sounds just like consumerist society and like I'm living in a dystopian future with a bunch of VHS tapes and am going to die alone.
>I only play genres that are rooted in the 80s
>J-just before g-guitars made my i-instrument obsolete and h-hated.
>MUH JORDAN RUDESS
Read >>61574797, get your head out your ass, and start appreciating music. Otherwise go back to making slide whistle and harmonica sounds or sample the sound of you masturbating and crying.

>>61574868
>rooted in the 80s
>vhs tapes
>retro cliches
What did I tell you about embracing the future? Also I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I just want people to stop stalling progress and get with the times. And I said chillwave, not retrowave. I don't see where you get the "rooted in the 80s" bullshit. It's a continuous evolution. Of course all music has roots in the past, but the point is moving forward. Rock and Roll had its roots in blues but it was a new thing back in the 50s. This is the same idea. When you drive you're supposed to look through the windshield, not at the rear view mirror.

>>61575042
>Otherwise go back to making slide whistle and harmonica sounds or sample the sound of you masturbating and crying.
That was stupid, made no sense and was uncalled for. Does the fact that guitars are obsolete produce an existential crisis on you or something?

>>61575086
Meant to quote >>61574868

>>61574844
I hardly think guitars have been made obsolete. They are a tool like any other. Workflow is incredibly important, if someone is more efficient on one instrument then why shouldn't they use it. Is painting obsolete because we have photoshop?

>>61575042
>Also I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I just want people to stop stalling progress and get with the times.
>I don't have a chip on my shoulder
>but here's reasons why I have a chip on my shoulder
>Chillwave
>Cultural Origins: Mid-2000s
Wow literally over a decade ago. Way to embrace the future hypocrite.

>>61575086
>Workstation synths
>Ambient industrial
>Goes into a guitar thread to shitpost guitarists
>Gets upset when people call him a loser
The sound of factory workers and an anon crying as guitar-centric genres continue as the highest selling musical genre.

>>61575119
This.

>>61575119
I don't see many people using hand drills nowadays, and they're a tool too.
>>61575136
>wanting people to get with the times is having a chip on your shoulder
Ok
>Wow literally over a decade ago. Way to embrace the future hypocrite.
It hasn't still reached maturity, faggot.
>ambient industrial
>the sound of factory workers
I don't think you know what ambient industrial is. It doesn't mean recording ambient noise from a factory.
>inb4 muh rudess
At least say Tycho, synth aren't synonymous with crap music, although someone could come to that conclusion if the only keyboardist he knew was Rudess

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The anti-guitar synthfag needs to fuck off already.

At least Rondo shilling is still guitar-related.

>>61575278
>I don't think you know what ambient industrial is. It doesn't mean recording ambient noise from a factory.
>I d-do have a s-sense of humor!
>At least say Rudess
>MUH KRONOS
I did say Rudess I get that you like workstations jesus christ. We get that you are too poor for a room of synths like Vince Clarke but keep spouting how obsolete everything but your workstation is someone might believe you eventually.

>>61575313
Damn straight, I hate that faggot who hates 6 strings unless tuned to F#BEADG but at least it's bass related, this is just fucking dumb.

>>61575278
>guitars
>antiquated
It's like you've never heard of Parker and their guitars made of composite materials, elixir strings with nanotechnology based coatings or line6's modelling guitars. There is cutting-edge technology in the guitar industry, there's even probably more innovation than in the synth industry which has been basically incremental ever since digital synths were invented.
Some examples of this:
>solid body guitars
>bolt on necks
>floating tremolos
>tune o matic
>b benders
>aluminum necks
>locking trems
>active pickups
>coil tapping
>alternate wirings
>a myriad of effects
>amp modeling
>sustainers
>plek

>>61575348
Were you looking for me? Stop meddling with what is the task of the guitarists and play the bassline, faggot. It doesn't even sound well with your scale length. Also if you bass has 7 or more strings, there's no exception, it's the height of faggotry no matter what tuning you use.

>>61573955
They'll only be obsolete when the sound (including playing techniques) can be accurately replicated, or when people don't want to hear that sound any more.

>>61575446
Yeah I was. Love you senpai, even though I don't agree about bassists being only focused on the bassline.
You're right about scale lenghts anyways.

>>61575323
>KRONOS
Actually my workstation of choice is the Roland FA08 I posted :^)
Having a room full of synths in 2015 sounds like wanting an eniac when you can have an i7 pc to me.
>>61575397
Funny how the only innovations that have really stuck around are all pre 1970, except for plek which is just another way to do fret dressing. Floyds have fallen out of favor decades ago and aluminium and composite instruments have been relegated to meme category. The average guitarist has a backwards mentality, admit it. There's a reason why superstitious blooze lawyers play guitar instead of synths.

>>61572390
Hey, that sounds pretty good for emo/math rock. Jealous.
As for powerviolence, personally I'd just use cheap shit, toss any old distortion on there and play around with gain & eq a bit, it's always seemed like a genre where you can get away with a shitty tone if you need to. I'm too poor to afford anything other than cheap shit anyways, so I can't really help much.

>>61575559
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with bassists doing interesting pieces. My issue is with those who neglect their deeds as bassists and engage in absolute wankery for the sake of showing off. That's why I love David Ellefson, great tone, does what the band needs him to do for the sake of the songs, does amazing fills where they fit and his solos are great.

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>>61575610
>FA08
>Came out two years ago
Living in the past. The rest of your post just sounds like jealousy though.

>floyds
>out of favor
This is 2016, not the mid 90s.
>anything
>meme category
No one says this outside of 4chan.

Read >>61575313 and >>61575348 I would say go back to /prod/ but they'd think you're a faggot too.

>>61575610
>Funny how the only innovations that have really stuck around are all pre 1970, except for plek which is just another way to do fret dressing.
First active pickups were around the 80s, I don't know when did sustainers make their appearence but I'm sure it's far after the 70's, and amp modelling is more popular than ever with touring musicians using stuff like the axe fx to cut down the weight of their rigs.
Of course if you take blues as an example, which is a more down to earth and simple genre that you could play on a cheap acoustic in the countryside in front of three people and a lamb, innovations are going to be useless.

>>61575668
That's a pretty based opinion.

>>61574089
>>61574076
Dude jeeze chill. Sorry that you can only play the keys. I mean, shit I know you hate being in the background so much, but like, chill.

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Meme guitar

>>61571236
They're pretty expensive tbqh

One thing that's pretty cool about them is a semicustom is a lot cheaper than it would be from fender.

Bass amps: Is it worth it to upgrade a bedroom amp? I currently have a 10W SS combo with an 8'' speaker, unsurprisingly it doesn't handle an open E string very well and I'll be upgrading to a 5-string soon, so it'll be even worse. What exactly should I look for? It can't be any louder than my 10W at near max volume and I want it to sound good. Phil Jones makes some really small amps, but they also start at 70W (and I'm pretty sure there was something about amps at a low volume sounding thin and bad), there is a SS bass head with 5W, could I couple that with a 15'' or 12'' cab? Would that sound decent or just like crap?
I tried a 12'' 70W combo before, brand new, but the hissing was so loud that it was nearly as loud as my bass at 2 or 3 /10 volume and the store I returned it to ensured me that that is normal (because you wouldn't notice it at a higher volume?).

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>>61576736
>44 degrees Fahrenheit
My fingers get so numb and slow when it's cold. I can barely play today.

>>61575610
>Floyds have fallen out of favor decades ago
Then why is it so hard to buy an esp, ibanez, or jackson without a floyd?

>>61576000
there's this insurmountable surge of instinct that forces me to have strong opinions about an object like this

but there's also an equal intrinsic force compelling me to congratulate you on your trips

>>61576840
It's the Meme force, it even started to leak into the real world a few months ago.

>>61576816
Because Ibanez's don't come with floyds.

>>61576872
>it even started to leak into the real world a few months ago.
as evidenced by the luthier drawing his own name in greentext on the headstock

unless that's an edit, in which case nice meme

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>>61576888
Their trems are literally slightly improved floyds
even their zr trems are just copied from steinberger

>>61576899
It's an edit.

>>61576907
Which are not called Floyd Rose.

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apartment edition
2002 Warwick Thumb Bolt-On 5
Math-Rock to Metal, depends on which city I'm in
just messing around now with some solo stuff (never used effects much before so I'm experimenting)

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>>61576816
>esp, ibanez, or jackson without a floyd
WAT there's plenty Floyds

>>61576960
WAT there's plenty without Floyds.

>>61576937
>Licensed Under Floyd Rose Patents
>Floyd Rose
This is a terrible troll.

>>61576995
New Ibanez's don't say that m9

Is there any reason to buy a new guitar instead of used?

>>61577021
Edge Zero aren't made under Floyd Rose patents. Edge Pros have it written on the block not on the top of the bridge. The new Original Edge for models like the RG655 don't have to have it printed due to the patents expiring a few years ago. It is still a double-locking Floyd Rose by design though.

>>61577030
few reasons
>deals occasionally make it worthwhile
>financing if you're not so responsible
>make/model that's not available in your local used market
>new model/new iteration that's better than the old ones
>post-purchase service, like free setups etc
>some people just don't like haggling or potentially dealing with swindlers

more or less the same deal as with buying new cars

and the great majority of the time it's obviously not worth it

>>61577030
When buying from a shop, you've got a warrenty, and can usually get a free setup. But shops might sell used stuff too. It's probably easier to send back some stuff bought new though, a friend had a huge problem with an used Gallien Krueger 2001RB, and it took like a whole month to finally get rid of it.

>>61577030
Only If you care to spend up to 50% of the cost on a warranty. Just make sure you can return it if you notice something off/you can't live with. If it's a good brand you should be OK. I search for under priced used in my market and find good deals up to 75% less than new. Some just need some TLC and get resold after repair.

>>61577030
manufacture warranty

http://www.espguitars.com/pages/warranty

:^)

>tfw you will never play guitar for a living

>>61577269
>tfw you'll have a real job instead of a hobby
feels good mang

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>>61577269
It's okay anon. I feel you.

>can't find a 24 fret guitar without a floyd, emgs, or other euphoric shred master bullshit tacked on
I just want 3 octaves on a string, not to look like a michael angelo baito wannabe

Suggest me some jazz that sounds like the clean sections off this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01gzVYDV5B8 Preferably proper jazz, not fusion.

I want to get into guitar-driven swing, bebop and cool jazz.

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>>61577475
There's Schecter. I own pic related and it fits the bill. Only downside is, of course, the edgelord designs they're notorious for.

Other than that, PRS comes to mind. They're more vanilla and they're exactly what you want. Check out the SE Custom 24. Or just the regular Custom 24 if you're looking to invest more.

>>61577475
That's like half of Ibanez's catalog, just swap the pickups with some good ones. Jackson has some without FR and EMGs, but they're more sparse. Add in ESP LTDs and Schecters.

Also isn't it rather two octaves ? Low E (open) to Mid E (12th fret), Mid E (12th fret) to high E (24th fret)

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>>61577475
too euphoric?

>>61571236
G&l's could be compared early strats desu

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What do you think about Jackon Mark morton dominion pro? It has coil taps for each of the pups

>>61571311
Do it homie, it is better than any strat you'll be able to afford

>>61577679
*tips*

What's a good keyboard to get for recording and learning piano? $1,5000 budget

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>>61576793
Basically that thing (5W, SS) through a 1x15'' Hartke? Or is that a stupid idea?

>>61571236
I'm thinking of getting this one. Thoughts?

http://www.theguitarshop.ca/g-l-legacy-himalayan-blue/

>>61571215
>>61577669
whats this ripple looking effect on the paint called? it looks fucking terrible and is overplayed as shit. stop posting them.

>>61577679
beautiful

>>61577756
You can get a real American Strat for less.

>>61577873
Keep in mind the price is Canadian so that comes to about $1,200 USD

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I've got the opportunity to pick up a Sunn 1200s, but what the fuck happened here? Can't have a Sunn without a bass pot..

>>61577849
It's called tiger maple
It's not paint
It looks great

>>61577896
American Specials are 1000, Standards are 1300,

What are the good strats to go for? I want a jazzmaster maybe a jaguar

>>61578039
>strats

fuck i mean squier

high as shit rn senpai desu

How do I achieve the lead tones in this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhWfrmJdRjw

>>61577901
That sucks. speaking of sunns I almost bought a used Sunn Solarus with a disabled trem and reverb circuit for $350, although when i when to go try it out it was shitting the bed, so I backed off. Shame, it would have been so cool for the bass rig.

>>61574762
Real talk though, why do you give a shit? If you're happy to play synth why not let other people play a different instrument. Unless this is some IRA style retributions for all the rockists you see on /mu/.

>>61577756
You could get a used MiA fender for much less. You could also get a used Legacy for much less and if you do, jump on it.

In other words don't buy a new Strat.

>>61577732
get a cheap one on craigslist. I'm beginning to think even more people quit keyboard than guitar, cuz you can get keyboards at literally 10% of retail. To be totally honest you can get a recordable(not an exageration) keyboard under $100 easy. Expenses only start to appear with complicated ass speakers, weighted/vibrating keys, etc. Just use headphones if you want good piano tone. make sure your old ass keyboard is midi compatible and touch sensitive.

>>61575042
>Chillwave
Cmon friendo, you can do better.

>>61578072
>what is reverb

>>61578074
Guy who has this wants to trade his 1200s and matching 6x12 for my Sovtek Mig100. I think even if it needs new tubes and a bass pot it still might be worth it.

What's the best EL84 power tubes according to /mu/. I have a vox ac10 amp. I am new to tube amps.

Guys is there anyone here with a Zoom G3 (or G5 if it can load g3xp files)?

Can someone test this patch http://guitarpatches.com/patches.php?mode=show&unit=G3&ID=6345 and tell me if it has any distortion for you?
The sample the guy has on the page clearly h as distortion but when I downloaded the patch it's not distorted in any way shape or form.
I'm wondering if my shit is set up wrong or my unit is defective or the dude is using an external distortion effect.

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>>61578262
>trying to get me to download a virus to my pedal

>>61578343
>.g3xp file

>>61578256
Mesa's are matched m8.

>>61578188
Yeah, thats pretty reasonable deal

>>61576793
Have a Look at 40w fender bronco 40 or any of the lower wattage Fender Rumble combos, all of them are great for bedroom practice and sound good at low volumes

>>61578605
Okay, I'll check them out. What about: >>61577739 though, I read that it works just fine and can drive a 1x15 cab without any issues, just at a low volume (although way too loud at max, so I'll never crank it up fully). That sounds exactly like something I'd want honestly. That way I can get a nice cab now and just replace the head and add another 4x10 for a full stack.

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>>61574212
>analog synths
>Obsolete

Nigga have you seen any of the new Dave Smith Instrument synths or the new Modulus 008? I'd hardly call them obsolete. Analog Synths are here to stay.

>>61578343
If you have one I'd be thankful if you could test it out m8, I just got my g3x today.

>>61577021
literally because the floyd patents have expired, patents only last about 20 years

>>61577849
figured wood...

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hartke vs swr vs ampeg vs carvin

Which bass amps are the "best"?

>>61578784
Heads or cabs? Ampeg for heads with Hartke speakers for me.

>>61578801
Was talking about heads but opinions on both are welcome. Are aluminum cones a meme?

>>61578834
Kinda, but they sound excellent anyway so who cares?

>>61578784
I'm big with Aguilar and Orange, and coincidentally I too use Hartke Cabs, Although they are AK's, paper cones for muh warm classic tones

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How do I find a chord that mimics a specific note, i.e high E, 12th fret, what chord would play that sound?

These are power chords then? I'm tabbing a simple song but wanted to translate parts of the solo into chords.

>>61578854
Just wondering if they're actually good. It honestly seems like it might actually be a good idea, the cones wont wear after 20+ years and you wont need to replace the speakers or get them reconed.

>>61574212
>analog synth
>obsolete crap
Get bent m8

>>61578908
cv/gate is literally an obsolete hipster meme

>>61578834
I'd also like to know what people here like in terms of speakers. I'll probably buy my first real rig in a few months and need to do more research, but favourite cab combinations and manufacturers would be a huge help.

>>61577669
Kek, PRS guitars are truly the definition of fedora

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>>61578997
>alex lifeson
>fedora

>>61578900
You'll still need to get the foam replaced. But aluminum is way stiffer than paper so you get reduced resonance and a tighter bass.

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>>61578997
Wat

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>made it to canada land
>looking for a new amp, pref a combo I can use with my rick and mustang
>1200 for a trade in bassmin 59 ri

worth?

also fuck I miss my old place something fierce

I have a VM Fender Squier Jaguar. Someone please help me get ride of the buzzing vibration. I have raised the action. I bought a mustang bridge, but it still does it. Should I get another bridge? Idk how to properly setup a guitar, but whenever I play the higher notes they don't feel right or sound good.

>>61579038
I honestly wish there was a local place that had some in stock so I could see if I liked them.

>>61578975
if this is the OP with the FA08, Roland Workstations have been shit tier since the Fantom X, FYI

>>61579078
>buying meme guitars
>setting them up the wrong way

What size are you using for your strings?

>>61579096
Not that guy

>>61575785
>That's a pretty based opinion
Thanks m8

>>61579072
nice chair
what model is it?

>>61579186
eames chair. google fu that and you should be sweet. missing the fuck out of it

>>61579139
I have tried 9s and 11s with the mustang bridge. And 9s with the stock bridge.

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>>61578888
>unchecked quads
>no replies
t-thanks /mu/

>>61579359
maybe if your post made any sense... Also begging for replies is really begging for hate. You should probably delete this.

>>61579139
not that dude but whats the deal with Jags? I'm looking into them cause just about everyone doing fuzzy stuff I like seems to have one, is there an actual issue or are you just shittalking with meme guitar?

>>61579072
welcome to canada mate

are you, per chance, in the montreal area? so I can come steal that rick

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>>61579481
Vancouver sadly. seemed a bit much to go from nz summer to full on montreal winter.

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>>61579481
>tfw rick 400x body shape is trademarked
Why can't those fucks do some foreign production?

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>>61578677
>owning a pedal that can download viruses

>>61579468
you what? how is that a meme? its well known, except on here, that if you set up a jaguar/jazzmaster the wrong way it's not going to work.

>>61579589
pretty sure vancouver gets way cold as well but I've never personally been

at least you get to see giant ass trees and live in the only good part of canada west of ontario

>>61579596
yeah rickenbacker might as well be the apple of the instrument world

>>61579632
His comment says
'>Buying meme guitars'
Wasn't talking about the set up stuff, just if there's something up with the guitars themselves.

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>>61575732
>two years ago
>Living in the past.
Top kek, it's still fairly new and they haven't launched a new model yet
>>floyds
>>out of favor
>This is 2016, not the mid 90s.
This is 2016, not the 80s
>>anything
>>meme category
>No one says this outside of 4chan.
Come on, you know what I meant. They're seen as novelty, niche instruments and most people don't care about them except for being edgy
>Read >>61575313 # and >>61575348 # I would say go back to /prod/ but they'd think you're a faggot too.
Nice ad hom :^)
>>61575785
Fair enough about actives, sustainers aren't really popular among the average guitarists though.
I mentioned blooze lawyers as a synonym with cork sniffers, not because of actual blues. Even famous guitarists like Slash are like this (muh 59 les paul). When I said "57 year old guitar" the number wasn't a random figurative number to make a point.
>>61575863
>being in the background as a one man act
>>61576816
Those don't sell nearly as much as more classic models do.
>>61578114
Because I want people to move forward.
>>61578140
:^)
>>61578672
>implying they can do anything digital synths cannot
>>61578908
You know it's true. Also >>61578975
>>61579096
You sound mad. The FA08 is really loaded with features, and it's even an aesthetic statement. I mean, look at it, no wood or other ancient materials. Look at those shapes and color layouts. Look at the pad. It screams future. It screams disdain for plebs and nostalgia.

Has there ever been a good guitar player with small hands? All the good players I know have huge hands

>>61579714
tl;dr

>>61579721
Maybe you could get a little guitar

>>61579600
>implying his comment wasn't trollbait

>>61579721
Michael Romeo has tiny sausage fingers

In any case, if you feel self conscious about the size/shape of your hands, remember that Django Reinhardt had it way worse and still made history

>>61579721
Shawn Lane

>>61579714
>They're seen as novelty, niche instruments and most people don't care about them
I don't know why composite necks aren't more popular. You'd think people would like necks that need little adjustment and wont easily warp. Fuck traditionalists

>>61579721
you the octopus's guy? plenty of good guitarists have small hands. I think one of them did a ted talk, some tiny girl did an acoustic set with all the frills you could want from an acoustic shred.

>>61579832
Guitars are fairly steeped in tradition, less so than other instruments though. The upside of absurd consumer preferences is cheaper prices on modern instruments to be competitive. The downside is less incentive for innovators.

>>61579721
>Has there ever been a good guitar player with small hands?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YXpfcZy2Sk
[spoiler]excuse the meme shred music

>>61579832
News flash: the average guitarist is a traditionalist. I think the 2016 Gibson lineup speaks for itself.
And people dare to tell me I "have a chip on my shoulder"

>>61579714
I'm not going to read up the lengthy comment chain because it sounds really awful

But tell me, do you actually believe modern synthesizers can accurately reproduce the sound of an electric guitar?

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Is there any reason not to get a Fractal FX8?

>>61580038
hatred of memes

Epiphone Les Paul Traditional Pro or Agile AL3100 or AL3200??

>>61580038
it costs money
other products cost the same or different amounts of money, and have similar or different value by comparison

>>61580115
Assuming you're not here for the reason people usually post >????
You might want to ask this on a different website, you're going to get absurd responses here
>inb4 shitstorm

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>>61580115
The AL3200 is my dream guitar. Some day

>>61580115
Please refer to >>61573018 and fuck off.

>>61580115
al3100, rondo is comparable to gibson quality

>>61580259
Do as I said in >>61580259
>>61580291
Kek

>>61580265
stop posting that image, it's fucking cancer. Not a rondo shill or fan but that image is so idiotic the first time it was posted I though it was a rondo shill trying to misrepresent a rondo detractor.

>>61580234
I've been planning on getting a new guitar for awhile and all the shilling has got me somewhat interested
>>61580259
I do like it alot
>>61580291
I don't know about that, come on man I know its a fucking budget guitar made in korea.

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>>61580265
>mfw he's still here

>>61580291
Please elaborate

>>61580358
>>61580378
meme'd :^)

>>61580036
Yes they can, through sampling. Guitars are but a vestige of the past. Their main advantage is price. Just look at guitar pro's RSE, it has gotten almost as good as a high end synth lately.

>>61580409
Ayy keyboard samplers can't even sound like a real piano yet why do you think it could sound like an instrument that plays completely differently?

>>61580036
>But tell me, do you actually believe modern synthesizers can accurately reproduce the sound of an electric guitar?
Isn't that literally what axe fx does?

>>61580314
Hi Kurt :^). I'm not really a Rondo detractor but comparing them to Gibsons is abysmal.

>>61580454
Axe FX modulates an existing signal, reproduction is doing the same signal from scratch.

>>61580409
>sampling
physically modeled synthesis > samples
https://youtu.be/mF9xh5YHW8w?t=9m26s

Speaking of synths, what's the best one on the market right now? I'd like to expand my musicality

>>61580493
that's actually impressive for being synthesis, but I still think sampling is superior.

>>61580510
>I'd like to try a new instrument
>FETCH ME YOUR FINEST KEYBOARD
you better be buying used if you're gonna actually get the best keyboard on the market for this, anon. It'd be pretty lame to take a hit from such a thing.

>>61580621
Ok, maybe not the best but something quality. I always buy used or trade straight up. I've got too many guitars as it is

>>61580510
Probably Korg Kronos

>>61580510
vsts because they're easy to upgrade while a 10 year old synth is practically worthless except to hipster who make meme music

>>61580409
So you're telling me that your keyboard can literally
>model any pickup and amplifier
>play microtones as easily and quickly without interruption (continuums aren't nearly as practical and don't try to mention pitch knobs)
>play chords that harmonize themselves over 3 octaves
>play similar parts despite massive differences in note placement without Rudess-tier technique
>reproduce nuances in right hand techniques (pinch harmonics tapping etc)
And to the point where blind testing wouldn't be able to tell the difference

Also I'm assuming that by claiming guitars are "obsolete" you're not only referring to production but also live music

>>61580596
I don't know if they have synthesized keyboards, but I think a keyboard with small but reap strings and hammers with individual piezos being modeled would be almost as good as sampling a piano. Sampling is superior for a achieving one perfect example of something without inflection, but that's not a ton of instruments right there. Keyboards express themselves through volume, duration, and muting, many other instruments allow, for example, bending. This includes for example string and many wind instruments. For these instruments synthesizing is a much more appropriate approach.

>>61580644
I'm gonna start by saying there's a ton of quality keyboards out there and unlike guitars what you're shopping for is more likely technical specs and features than tone. That's because midi exists. Considering that a ton of features will be more of a burden than help to a new player, you're better off looking on craigslist and just looking up the models you find than seeking a specific model.

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>>61579072
Bumping
Is 1200 a decent price for that amp?
are there better options that would suit well for both my bass and guitar?
am I better off getting two cheaper amps?

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How good are mexican fenders? Or there are better guitars in that price range?

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>>61571236
my friend got an used gl it's slick as fuck, the neck is better than any of the ibanez'es i've tried on a friggin tele body
>>61571617
swag f.a.m

>>61572390
>bridge switched out for one with individual intonation
>danelectro
yum

>>61572923
>>61573018
>>61573249
we had this thread yesterday
pic related

>>61573544
article on cleaning guitar, not helping ppl who remove stickers from fretboard. what?


>>61575610
no gear talk at prod`? just askin'

>>61574250
next up, deadmau5

>>61574511
arrays of concept albums wore the group down, mike joined ax7 to get a grip senpai

>>61575313
desu everyone should just get drunk and c.o.b tbqh senpai

>>61575397
the game changer for me f.a.m

>>61577325
john frusciante senpai

>>61577475
how about a bc rich mockingbird?

>>61577565
john scofield comes to mind

>>61577669
carvin is spin2win

>>61577732
piano for keyboard reqs 88keys weight in the keys and pedals, with that budget you should get a korg or a nord for a balanced reselling price or is it 1.5 bucks?

>>61578039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyaKNsb3dQ
the blacktop?

>>61578482
nice

>>61578981
cele vintage 30 12''

>>61579072
nice rick

>>61579078
don't fender or a third party dude sell some fixed? all other than the strat and tele are having trouble in the bridges

>>61579294
try 8s i use 10-50 on both rg350 and epi explorer

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>>61580991
cheap tokais?

>>61580991
>How good are mexican fenders?
good for the price

>Or there are better guitars in that price range?
yes, ranging from as good to better depending on what's available

>>61580036
>But tell me, do you actually believe modern synthesizers can accurately reproduce the sound of an electric guitar?
Judge for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gioyIzQVCqs

>guitar's dead, and synth is in!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrHZ6u5_eYw

>>61580700
oh and softsynths are typically easier to retune and use different temperaments if you're into that type of thing too

>>61581012
what the fuck are you doing

>>61581053
yeah this ain't nowhere near acceptable

fret noise isn't percussive or trebly enough and the entire thing sounds like the theme to a cereal box game from the early 2000's

I want something like a Hartke 410 XL but with warmer sound, is there something like that available at a similar pricepoint and without sacrificing the nice low end of the Hartke and the quality?

>>61581039
I reckon cheap tokais are made in china or I am wrong?

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>>61581089
gg ain't as gg as gg could be senpai

>>61581053
>that guitar synthesis video
top zozzle

i believe guitars should be left behind in the 60's but emulation is fucking lameeeeee

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>>61581175
i mean used

>>61581053
sounds like trash senpai

>>61581215
LONDON
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>>61581215
>i believe guitars should be left behind in the 60's but emulation is fucking lameeeeee
and replaced with what

granted, western music could use more diversity, but demand is demand

>>61581215
dont suppose you're from london?

>>61580754
>I don't know if they have synthesized keyboards, but I think a keyboard with small but reap strings and hammers with individual piezos being modeled would be almost as good as sampling a piano.
sounds like a Rhodes with strings. You're forgetting scale length and its effect on voicing.
>many other instruments allow, for example, bending
that's what the pitch wheel is for
>For these instruments synthesizing is a much more appropriate approach.
you need really good synthesis though
>>61580704
>model any pickup and amplifier
VSTs, EQs
>play microtones as easily and quickly without interruption (continuums aren't nearly as practical and don't try to mention pitch knobs)
easily bound to keys
>play chords that harmonize themselves over 3 octaves
easily programmed
>play similar parts despite massive differences in note placement without Rudess-tier technique
it's actually easier to play it right than certain guitar chords that require superhuman stretching abilities
>reproduce nuances in right hand techniques (pinch harmonics tapping etc)
it can be sampled or programmed through physical modelled synthesis
>>61581118
>>61581215
>>61581250
it was a quick video by some random guy, not exactly tech demonstration

>>61581415
>still discussing keyboards
make your own fucking thread

>>61581615
This. Fuck off keyfags. You know how gay you look on stage? Lel

>>61581415
>easily bound to keys
you want to simulate string bending with a fucking two state switch?

and you need both your hands to achieve the same speed and range access as a guitarist since you have to move further laterally to cover the same tonal range. you're not going to be even remotely as agile with your freaking macro buttons and foot switches.

>easily programmed
so you're going to have presets for every single 3 to 7 note chord out there? when a professional guitarist can pull that shit out of pure human memory at any time. not only is it impractical, you're also probably only going to bother with a set list and severely hinder your ability to improvise.

>it's actually easier to play it right than certain guitar chords that require superhuman stretching abilities
yeah it's almost like a piano and fretboard are arranged in drastically different manners that both have their upsides and downsides and can't feasibly reproduces the unique characteristics of the other

>it can be sampled or programmed through physical modelled synthesis
or you could plug your guitar into a relatively simple signal chain that ends up costing more or less the same and record parts much faster and more easily. hell, digital guitar amps do modelling now and they do it well.

>it was a quick video by some random guy, not exactly tech demonstration
then find us a tech demonstration. the burden of proof is on you.

what you're suggesting is a colossal waste of time for music production and basically impossible for live performances.

this is pretty much the same argument as saying the ipad makes PCs obsolete. there ought to be a special term for people who get overly excited about technology. reverse-luddites or something.

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>/gg/ beta manginas let a button presser shit on them like this and assert dominance over them as if he was an alpha when he's just a mediocre switch engager playing an "instrument" that requires no skill and can't produce sounds by itself except for the nonmusical sound of fingers hitting the keys because it can only produce electric signals instead of just using them to transfer actual transduced sound to an amplifier
>mfw

>>61581871
>narrating a discussion board like you're david attenborough
>not realizing this is a dead giveaway of your crippling autism

>>61578784
Ampeg, since I prefer tubes, and I'd put Orange and Ashdown probably above those others you mentioned

tl;dr >>>/his/
As a multi-instrumentalist, if you can excuse such a term, I see different instruments mostly for their creative value. Both constraints and conveniences to playing make owning a variety of instruments worth while. Just think of how often jam sessions are used to "stumble across" a good riff or composition. Similarly playing a guitar sample on a keyboard changes the constraints of the performer. That's a good thing, both instruments, even if they could be played with the exact same timbre, would be useful. Specializing in one instrument is very reasonable, as is diversifying. But that's way to hard to get into. I think the only way you can malform "keyboard vs. guitar" into something debatable, is to treat the two as the only instrument you can have. That's not a very fruitful exercise in debate though.

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Would you spend $5,000 on an amp named after a woman's asshole?

>>61581919
kek, touché

>>61577683
>implying i'm poor
i can go buy 5 american standards right now, quit my job, and still pay rent for a few months

>>61582066
Yet my rondo will still be better than every single one of them.

>>61582202
you're not the real rondo shill, stop

>>61582234
I still don't understand this rondo shit

are people pissed because it's being recommended over squiers? or just because they're being mentioned too often?

do we even have first hand ownership experience between the few dozens of us?

>>61582277
Somebody was posting about how they're better than gibsons, now it's an epic meme :^)

>>61582277
They're being overly defended despite having some obvious flaws and sketchy company schemes, I wouldn't be surprised there's someone shilling them here.

>>61582277
some people are angry because it's being recommended over higher end brands than squire.
I think that that's really a battle between modding/upgrading vs. buying high end, and rondo is just the battleground. There's quite a few brands that can fulfill the role of modding platform, but rondo has really exploded as the modder's choice. I hope that explains the more reasonable sides of the argument, though the recurrence of the subject is more about the less reasonable deviations from both of these choices.

My band's practice space and my personal practice space are pretty far apart.

I'm tired of carrying my bass from location to location. It's an inconvenience to throw it in my car at the chance that we may be practicing that day. Additionally when we meet up we don't always practice.

Would it be worth it for me to get a 2nd bass? I'd rather not spend the money on it because my current bass is high quality and doesn't need replacement. However the inconvenience of moving it around and the fear of it being stolen are becoming too much.

What quality of bass would it still be worth practicing on? Can I get a decent session out of a shitty introductory bass? What should I be looking to spend?

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So anyway my G&L just came. It's actually in tune, the action is perfect and the intonation is good. It's only been 10 minutes but so far everything is going to be ok.

>>61581980
guitar is limited as fuck, though. tiny range, abysmal timbral and dynamic contrast, almost zero ability to sustain a note for a meaningful amount of time, lacks the ability for legato when crossing strings or moving out of position, can't trill worth shit, and it is mediocre at both polyphony and monody. Let's not forget that, at the most basic level, unless a guitar, even a classical, is amplified in some way it is a fucking useless instrument because it is simply too quiet, especially compared to instruments like the piano or violin. the benefits of the guitar are that it is relatively portable and is very easy to learn

>>61582562
Post pics. I'm interested in G&L

>>61582550
if you only expect to be in this situation for a short time it should be okay to get something used you can resell for a zero net. Depends on your definition of playable, and how much it would cost before you'd start worrying about it being stolen.

>>61582562
Doesn't surprise me, I work in a musical instrument shop and everyone says they're Fender quality at half the price.

>>61582550
200-300 bucks

If you keep a low end bass (Yamaha RBX or MiM Fender or something equivalent) in good shape it'll be plenty good enough for short sessions.

I know a guy that sometimes takes resort jobs in South America. Basically he and his band get a free week of vacation and the only thing he has to do is play after hours every night. He doesn't trust airlines with his expensive stuff so he just brings his Squier and it works well enough.

>>61582595
look at it this way. I play ukulele, guitar, bass, keyboard, and violin. I find all of them useful creatively. And by nearly every estimation ukulele is shit. But I still have some use for it. Keep in mind some reason to play an instrument is how much you enjoy plating it, whether you enjoy the challenge or ease or playing, or even the portability/comfort.

>>61576000
add a string or two

>>61582277
they're getting obviously shilled here
to the point it always shits the general
>implying it wasn't shit before that
yeah, baka

>>61581615
>stop telling me my instrument is outdated lalala
>>61581691
says the guitarist, kek. Pic related.
>>61581720
bending is simulated with the pitch wheel
you could program a switch to increase or decrease the pitch in your discrete interval and speed of choice to simulate sliding. It would take more tweaking but it's basically that.
>and you need both your hands to achieve the same speed and range access as a guitarist since you have to move further laterally to cover the same tonal range. you're not going to be even remotely as agile with your freaking macro buttons and foot switches.
Reminder that tapping was invented to achieve the agility of keyboards.
>so you're going to have presets for every single 3 to 7 note chord out there? when a professional guitarist can pull that shit out of pure human memory at any time. not only is it impractical, you're also probably only going to bother with a set list and severely hinder your ability to improvise.
I thought you were talking about harmonizer effects
>yeah it's almost like a piano and fretboard are arranged in drastically different manners that both have their upsides and downsides and can't feasibly reproduces the unique characteristics of the other
>fretboard
>upsides
kek
>or you could plug your guitar into a relatively simple signal chain that ends up costing more or less the same and record parts much faster and more easily. hell, digital guitar amps do modelling now and they do it well.
I'm assuming that I'd be using a physical modelling capable workstation, so there no extra cost.
>what you're suggesting is a colossal waste of time for music production and basically impossible for live performances.
but it's not
>this is pretty much the same argument as saying the ipad makes PCs obsolete. there ought to be a special term for people who get overly excited about technology. reverse-luddites or something.
traditionalists always say this

>>61582562
pics or it doesn't exist :^)
glad to hear, enjoy!

>>61582595
>for legato when crossing strings or moving out of position, can't trill worth shit
git gud

>>61582595
>tiny range
get an extended range guitar
>abysmal timbral and dynamic contrast
>almost zero ability to sustain a note for a meaningful amount of time
use an amplifier and pedals
>lacks the ability for legato when crossing strings or moving out of position
yeah if you suck at guitar
>can't trill worth shit
watch me bruh
>mediocre at both polyphony
only inferior to keyboards
>and monody
only inferior to woodwinds
>Let's not forget that, at the most basic level, unless a guitar, even a classical, is amplified in some way it is a fucking useless instrument because it is simply too quiet
right, that's why modern classical guitar predates modern microphones by and amplification by roughly a century

>>61582013
someone i know once said that about blackstar

>>61582477
what a reasonable post
go fuck yourself

When playing further down the fretboard on my classic player jag the sound dulls pretty significantly, sustain also drops quite a bit. I'm playing with 11's currently. Is there anything besides raising the action that would help?
I've been thinking about getting a mastery bridge as I've heard good things about them.

>>61582883
>>tiny range
>get an extended range guitar
Just tune to new standard tuning.

>>61581720
>then find us a tech demonstration. the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQPmDlp6yJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87btTfpkxIw
>>61581871
>mediocre switch engager
>playing an "instrument" that requires no skill
>"instrument"
>that requires no skill
dont hurt yourself with that edge
>can't produce sounds by itself except for the nonmusical sound of fingers hitting the keys because it can only produce electric signals instead of just using them to transfer actual transduced sound to an amplifier
Implying this is relevant at all
Also this >>61581919

>>61582595
Agreed, it's clearly the inferior instrument.
> the benefits of the guitar are that it is relatively portable and is very easy to learn
this, the only reason to pick up guitar is because of being a lazy faggot with limited skills

>>61582962
what do you mean by further down? what do you mean by "the sound dulls?" Why do you say that raising the action would help? I want to help you, but your post doesn't make much sense to me.

>>61583012
before you shit on me, I dun goofed posting the second video, as it's not a synth

>>61583012
pretty cool but i'll play my guitar instead of pretending

>>61583017
"Further down the fretboard" I thought was pretty clear as to mean closer to the body of the guitar

"The sound dulls" Dull is the opposite of "sharp" so when i play a note it kind of thuds out pretty quickly

Raising the action usually helps increase sustain especially during bends as it gives your strings more room to bend

>>61582562
never head of G&L

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Everyone needs to get off the war path and realise that both is better than either. One is better than none. We're all playing music and having fun with our instrument of choice.

>>61583143
but the rondo sx agile is better than your choice anon and here's why ---
every rondo shill ever

>>61583143
>having fun
>>>/reddit/

inb404

>>61582962
>n playing further down the fretboard on my classic player jag the sound dulls
neck needs backbow
>bout getting a mastery bridge as
birdge upgrade will help floating is where the main problem is at

>>61582844
>you could program a switch to increase or decrease the pitch in your discrete interval and speed of choice to simulate sliding. It would take more tweaking but it's basically that.
the pitch wheel is pretty much never in a convenient location

also, pitch adjustment on a keyboard not at all going to have the same effect on your tone as bending a string would. but seeing as you thought this shit >>61581053 was passable I'm starting to think there's something wrong with your hearing

>Reminder that tapping was invented to achieve the agility of keyboards.
ok you must be trolling at this point. or desperately grasping at any bullshit you can think of.

not only is that claim extremely dubious, it's also pretty much impossible to reproduce that shit on a key instrument without some kind of autoriff.

>fretboards le upside le kek
ignoring for a second that this isn't even an attempt at trying to make a point, go try to play five notes all with perfect 4 intervals all at once on your keyboard with just your two hands. if you can than you're andre the giant or something.

>I'm assuming that I'd be using a physical modelling capable workstation, so there no extra cost.
you're going to be doing that either way. tracks go through a whole lot of shit before the final mix is ready. why spend countless extra hours trying to imitate a tone you can dial in minutes?

>traditionalists always say this
traditionalists as well people who don't buy into any shiny bullshit

but to your straw-grasping ass I guess there's no difference. just like there's no difference between a real guitar tone and a shitty tacky imitation that took 5 times the time to create. you tell me when you're done getting destroyed.

>>61583136
try pressing harder on higher frets. Also, neck pickups in general will suffer from this more. Try to see if it happens less or at all on the bridge pickup soloed. Just a couple guesses.

>>61583138
>/mu/
>/gg/

>>61582562
post pics in the next thread please
also where did you buy it from