>Rapfags constantly berating rock for being stuck in the past

That album was really fucking good

>attacking a rap album for being a funk album and a jazz album

it's the combination of the things that makes it stand out dude

it also contained spoken word and a lot of theatrical elements.

people with the same argument as you are praising Shadow of A Doubt

i was wondering why everyone loved that album so much and then I listened to some other modern hip hop

compared to young thug or future this might as well be the chronic

we have this thread every day

>>61539656
but the chronic is bad

>>61538435
Sure, that album might be stuck in the past. So was Oasis. So were Nirvana. So were the Elephant 6 collective. The difference was that people actually cared about those albums, whereas no one cares about rock now. Rock's problem isn't that it's stuck in the past - In Colour and TPAB were both staid as shit in my opinion and were fawned over- it's that it is no longer as commercially viable or 'cool' as it once was.

>>61539703

Time to take it to the next level.

Kendrick Lamar is just another boring, angry black dude yelling things about being black and how white people suck. Nothing to see here. Hip hop is trash.

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>listens to Kendrick Lamar once

>>61539741

we have this post every day.

and it gets proven wrong every day.

post it again tomorrow too.

>>61539656
>Hating Young Thug and Future

Wew lad, do people actually still do this here? You must be a blast at parties, anon.

You need to let go of your pretensions and realize that both of these artists, while incredibly crass, are really good at exactly what they do and that there's a perfectly logical explanation for why normies like them: they're enjoyable. Same goes for Drake. There's something rather comforting in just letting go. It's part of becoming a man.

>>61539827

>proven wrong every day

Yeah right. He is black. He is angry. He is rapping about being black and how white people suck. I don't care if he talks about other things, those main themes are why he's popular. He also continues the Christianity meme which is utterly absurd.

>>61539870

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>>61539741

''Hip Hop is trash''

You obviously don't have a single clue of what you are talking about, maybe you are still stuck in the early phase of discovering music, which is listening to the same artist or genre and saying everything else is shit.

Grow up kid

>>61539500
Has anyone made an edited version that takes out the spoken word bits yet?

I like them, but not when they're in a shuffle.

>>61539656
>compared to young thug or future this might as well be the chronic

They both blow every rapper away right now. Kendrick is ass

>>61539903

>Ur wrong
>Ur a kid lol

Get real. Listening to samples being played over rudimentary beats with lyrics that amount to a Melissa Harris-Perry rant is mouthbreather bullshit.

>>61539761
is this gay porn?

>Kendrick
>angry

First of all, you are aware that Kendrick's music is largely satirical, right?

Second of all, what the actual fuck? So his awareness of systemic racism and mentioning of it in some of his discography is what you see as his weakness? You sound like an angry racist white guy

>>61541599

I don't give a fuck whether it's satirical or political. It's fucking boring, overdone music. I'm just as tired of it as I am of women trying to sound like Joni Mitchell or Christina Aguilera. He's part of another annoying fad in music that makes dumb people rich.

>>61539500
>rap album
>spoken word


.... no shit?

>>61541673
So you're just angry at all music that makes it to a popularity level where it influences other artists? Kendrick is at least a unique upbringing of his own style

>>61541599
Kek systematic racism, whatever. Seeing as to how 13% of the population (black) commits over half the crime in America, I don't want to here shit about how they are being "systematically" judged. Its totally the white man's fault that blacks have an astronomical lead on the amount rapes right? Poor guy, he had to rape to feed his family because of the situation the white man put him in! Fuck off, you are part of the reason that the black community isn't progressing properly.

Kendrick is the best artist of this generation

>>61541775

>it is popular
>it is good

And no, he isn't. Talking quickly about race politics is old news.

>>61539862
>It's part of becoming a man
CAUSE I'M A MAAAAAAAAN WOMAAAAN

>>61541930
>Fuck off, you are part of the reason that the black community isn't progressing properly.

I don't see how.

Colonization has blacks at an obvious disadvantage, and if his music expresses his dismay towards white supremacy, that's okay.

Also, no matter how much crime is committed by one minority, stereotyping the entire minority as criminals is pretty arrogant.

God a black person released the best album of the year, why does every single slightly right leaning white person have to "disprove" his genius just because of it. When swans released To be Kind was it an act of racism against blacks, no.

>>61539862
You seem like the type of guy to really like Dredd

>>61542179
Stereotypes exist because of trends. I'm no racist don't get me wrong, but unless the black community comes to terms with their own struggles and tries to work out of it (yes this is very possible especially because of racial quotas and racial scholarships) they are always going to be living in the crime infested shit holes that they grow up in. Its the people they are raised around that teach them to be thugs and not take the initiative. Not all blacks are criminals, but that doesn't mean that white people are the reason that they are commuting crimes at such an astronomical rate. Colonization doesn't have shit to do with it, I've seen white people grow up in just as bad if not worse situations than many of these people and still make something of themselves out of hardwork (my mother for example grew up in a home full of drug addicts with a mom who would waste whatever money she made because of a gambling addiction). Those people never amounted to anything because they didn't work past their issue; however, my mom worked her ass off in school and managed to get into a university without the special privileges that minorities get to help them into school. Even if whites were inherently the reason that blacks are in their situation, it doesn't make the crime rate negatable or "okay", I brought up rape because it has nothing to do with money or living situation, it just happens because there is someone who is criminally minded. Its more racist in fact to say that a black person is justified for a crime because of their situation or "because they were never taught any better" because you aren't treating them to the same standard as white people. The community will never get anywhere unless they do something about their situation themselves, and being as regressive as possible is just going to make everything worse.

>>61542472
This is very true, but I hope you do realize that 9/10 times blacks face a more difficult road than white people do, not only because of the situation they're in, but because of oppression in the educational system and business as a whole.

Not all places are systematically racist to the extent the U.S. is, and some places are even worse to other specified minorities, but it's sad these sort of things even affect them.

Back to Kendrick, given the fact that Kendrick's genesis took place in Compton itself, I'd say he's one of the more respectable hip-hop artists of our time, especially for taking the lyrically enhanced route.

>>61542663
Thats the point I'm making, there is no actual oppression. If anything blacks have more opportunities (outside of the environment they are raised in) because of forced 'equality' I.E. Racial quotas. I respect Kendrick as an artist and definitely dig the theatrics on TPAB, but it seems like he isn't observant enough of his own world and only looks at it on the surface. I do respect that he at least has a message with the album, as opposed to making a shopping list of crap he has or talking about getting fucked up on every other song like a lot of mainstream hip hop.

>>61542922
>there is no actual oppression
In the U.S.?

Clearly black kids getting shot by cops when they carry around toy guns while white guys can carry around real ones and do ridiculous shit to try and piss off cops and still be civilly handled is oppression, man. If there really was no oppression I doubt people would be screaming "#AllLivesMatter" back at those who try and raise the issue of racism.

>>61539703
true, can we please give this album a rest

>>61542295
idunno man but it's real dumb how mad people get on this board and how they act like the AOTY being released by a rapper is an act of conspiracy against white people and guitars

>>61543112
A kid shouldn't be pointing a toy gun without the orange tip in the first place, what if you were the cop in that situation? Are you going to give the kid the benefit of the doubt, or are you going to value your life over his? His parents should have taught him not to do stupid stuff like that, its sad and there isn't anything we can really do about it, but just try to put yourself in the cop's shoes for once. The whole black lives matter movement started over the death of Michael Brown who was shot properly, new evidence came out that Michael Brown did indeed threaten the cop and the fucking thug got what he deserved. Also the fact that blacks are such a small percentage committing over half the crime is going to lead to more cases of this happening by proper statistical analysis. Lets condense it down to about 6% (young black males) as opposed to the women and older black citizens that make up about the other 7...That is 6% of the population committing over half the crime, of course cops aren't going to fuck around when they find out one may have committed a crime. Crackhead white people also get killed by cops, but it isn't newsworthy information because no one cares if a crackhead was killed; however, if its a black crackhead all the sudden it's "oppression". The majority of the cases that black lives matter fight for are the fault of the black male in the first place. Even so, why the hell are they committing the crime in the first place? Sorry if for some reason were incorrectly processed by the cops, but you shouldn't have been raping or robbing a store in the first place so who cares they had it coming fuck those assholes.

>>61541714
>he thinks that there is no difference between a word that is spoken and rapped

>>61539741
Topkek

Most of the album deals with issues that black culture creates for itself, if anything it is very highly critical of black people

But of course it's obvious that you haven't even actually listened to the album

Bottomkek

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>>61538435
>Rapfags constantly berating rock
The other way around faggot, rapfags hae better shit to do

>>61539741
>angry

>>61539983
>every hip hop is sampled from jazz with boom bap beats over it like the RZA did
>all rappers are ignorant

>>61543324
it was a bb gun, and the child had a bullet in his chest before the the police car was stopped

I hope if you ever find yourself in public with a BB gun, the cop that shoots you yells "DROP YOUR WEAPON" at least once before executing you and watching you bleed to death.

>>61542922
>>61543112
Two points and your both basically right.
Malcom X, 2pac any true black revolutionary has said that black people won't change their position until they stop blaming white people for their problems. . But you also have to agree that there is a bad case of the racisms directed at black people which largely seems to be unfounded. white people took their people as slaves, even after that ended they treated them like second class citizens right up until the 1960's but still there's plenty white people who act as if black people are the instigators in all the problems? Its not a cut and dry thing but at the end of the day it literally happens in every single country in the world, if its not racism, it's tribalism or religious persecution.

>>61543324
Okay, criminals deserve the usual process, but what about Sandra Bland? Does the police obviously covering up something like that speak levels to you at all?

>>61541673
So what you're saying is you don't like music that relates to women or black people
Don't be a bigot now anon

>>61543431

There are a ton of stupid white racists in the world, and there isn't really anything we can do about it; however, there is an equal amount (at least per capita) of blacks that are racist towards white people and believe that everything is the fault of the white man so it balances out. Its bullshit on both sides, and sadly I have to spend the rest of my life listening to this shit until the black community finally pulls itself together and we can move past the era of stupidity.

>>61543445
Shitty cops who deserve the same treatment as a lot of criminals are a thing, I never said that they weren't, and they put the whole justice system in a shitty situation. I don't know too much about the case, but if everything was on the cop of course the department will try to cover it up. One issue out of a sea of many is the kind that becomes news worthy, and it will make it seem like the whole department is a bunch of racist lunatics (hence the kid with the toy gun), it just needs to be newsworthy. Its sad that she hung herself, but like I said what can you do about it. It still doesn't change the fact that the vast majority (and I mean vast) of these cases that the black lives matter movement is fighting in defense for is the fault of the victim, and its a shitty thing to defend someone committing a crime. The police are in a shitty situation right now with all of the black lives matter shit, so they have to be as careful as possible or some retard cop is going to paint a bad picture on the cops that actually deal with drug addicts and put themselves in the line of fire.

>>61538435
>implying TPAB was album of they year
Kek nice meme

>>61543376
this

I don't think I've ever heard someone who's into rap berate rock, period. Pretty sure OP pulled that straight out of his ass

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>>61538435
>Rapfags constantly berating rock for being stuck in the past
who does this at all

>>61543750
>racist towards white people
impossible but you do have a point

>>61544002
>Buying into the "sociological definitions" meme

>>61544045
I sure did, makes more sense to me honestly

>>61544145
It's fine for academic study, but it ultimately does more harm than good for the general discourse.

>>61544191
What do you mean when you say "general discourse"

>>61541673
It is totally unheard of for a song like "For Free" to appear on such a mainstream, Grammyish record. If you want a genre of music to do something different, that is exactly what you get with TPAB. no trap beats. songs work better as part of album then out of context. album consists of like 70% slow soul balladry with soft rhymes with hardly a banger in sight.

to say Kendrick is part of a fad is ridiculous, he's one of the guys trying to push the genre in different directions. you might think the results suck, and lots of hip hop fans do, but that's not what is being argued here.

>>61544366
The discourse had with and by the general public on a given issue.

>>61543408
I can't believe I didn't notice this gold mine of a post. I believe that people have the right to carry a weapon...but not the right to fucking point it at people. Who fucking cares if its a bb gun, thats worse than a toy gun like I mentioned, guess what I would never fucking point a bb gun at people in the first place. I used to play with them when I was younger, but me and my friends sure as hell never pointed it at people. The kids parents should have taught him better, what kind of stupid fucking kid points anything that resembles a gun at someone? Like I said its sad that it happened, but the fucking cop had to make a choice. The situation you stated is retarded...with not resemblance to anything I would do in the real world, you are terrible at arguing, and your emotions don't serve a point. This is the most retarded post I've seen since the new year began, congrats.

>>61543750
I feel no obligation to defend cops after hearing about and seeing all the evidence that if I said the wrong word or moved 3 cm. in the wrong direction when getting pulled over I'd be thrown onto the ground and kicked in the back of the head repeatedly. I have personal friends who have been attacked by the police over next to nothing and frankly it's impossible for me not to be scared as hell of the cops. So I empathize with people when it comes to this issue.

I don't give a shit what percentage of these cases are the victim's fault, frankly I know there's enough of a precedent for the opposite situation that it's still a concern.

>>61544574
I refuse to defend any criminal activity, and that's where we will never meet eye to eye. I do like how you actually had a conversation with me about this as opposed to calling me some crazy white racist, I'm just concerned from looking at statistics and what is going on in the world around me. Honestly I just don't see any literal oppression, a dick cop or two but nothing that should really throw the world out of balance.

>>61544540
This is true, it is a tad problematic to white people who don't have a true awareness of their privilege.

>wanted to make a Rap vs. Rock thread
>became a race war

Well fuck me

>>61544573
It's a fucking kid, and he no shots were reported fired before the cops got there. They could of taken sometimes to assess the situation before opening fire.

>>61544722
Oh, I'm not him, and while I don't see oppression like it existed in the 1960s (though let's remember that that's recent as hell, relatively speaking) I definitely know black people who have been treated like criminals for the color of their skin. I see racism all the time where I live and while none of the hicks will probably ever do any harm, it's still a thought pattern prevalent enough to cause grief and concern, no doubt about it. I'm not sure rap music will ever solve that, of course, but I see nothing wrong with discussing it, really.

>>61544771
>No shots were taken
Yeah no fucking shit, if there were the cop would be aware that it was a bebe gun...The kid still fucking pointed it at the cop, do you really think the cop would just shoot the kid because he hates black people...I see no oppression here, what person (any) would make their entire life public, miserable, and shitty (also kill a kid) because they "Just love shooting niggers!@!@!" No he was put in a situation where he decided that was the best course of action...

>>61544722
It's less defending crimanal activities and more the punishment should fit the crime

>>61544738
This is exactly why it's bad for that purpose. It's too easy to use as a tool for dismissing others.

>>61544889
I think the accusations of racism come from cops being much quicker to assume their target is dangerous and needs to die if said target is black. Jumping straight to killing someone is something I'm morally opposed to, and as far as I'm aware the gun wasn't a BB gun and was never pointed at a cop. If we're talking about the same case, that is.

I don't necessarily disagree with the choice the cop made, but it was rather shocking to see how quickly he decided to crush the kid's life, so I can understand the reaction

>>61544889
>he was put in a situation where he decided that was the best course of action...
situation he clearly missed handle. He had it in his hand but he wasn't pointing it them. As soon as they got here they open fire. The cops handle the situation like idiots

>>61544903
Point noted.

>>61545025
6% of the population (young black males) commits over half the crime. Like I said earlier the cops aren't gonna fuck around with that, and if the kid wasn't doing something stupid like that it would have never happened. Its pretty tragic, but the kid should have known better, another question is why is a 12 year old alone in the park with a model gun? Comes back the community thing, he probably had shitty parents who didn't teach him correctly, so from the cops point of view if he was going to go around and pull a stupid stunt like that thinking it was cool how are they supposed to think otherwise?