I've seen a lot of hate for grohl, but I forgot what it was about. Can you remind me?
He's probably a nice guy. His music is bland and only successful because of Nirvana. His quotes akin to "real music" and "muh analog" are cringeworthy. The worst offender being the one where he talks about how terrible American Idol is and that the way Nirvana made it big was just by practicing in their garage until one day they were huge, completely skipping over the part where MTV made them and they were just as much a part of the corporate system and yadda yadda, so he lacks self-awareness. TL;DR he's just the ultimate rockist "real music" guy and Reddit LOVES him, so of course /mu/ hates him, even though he probably is a really nice dude.
Because he's considered the "face of rock" now. And it's true. He does eo resent the watered-don, pussified, commercialised, nonthreatening rock music of the 2000s-2010s.
Foo Fighters is the safest, softest, yuppie dad rock band of our time. It's music for normies who work in cubicles and go mountain biking on the weekends.
Foo Fighters don't "rock". Rock implies danger and a threat to the status quo.
>His quotes akin to "real music" and "muh analog" are cringeworthy
Have you ever recorded to tape?
>completely skipping over the part where MTV made them
How so? Nirvana formed in 1986 in Aberdeen.
Dave is a good drummer outside of Nirvana. SFtD has some great drum tracks.
gets too much credit for being in nirvana when he didnt do shit and its a shit band anyhow,
writes boring vapid music,
makes self aggrandizing comments all the time about being the only real rocker blah
>Jon Theodore is an actual musician though
I don't know what you mean by this. I won't defend Dave versus Jon'd drumming because Jon is a better drummer, but I can honestly say I don't know what you mean by that.
I think the point is that he may be a decent drummer, but that's all that he is. There's nothing wrong with what he does in tge context of nirvana, but it's very generic and simple. He's a good drummer, but lots of drummers are good enough to do what he did. To be a truly "great" drummer, I think you have to be one of the few that can do something a little more creative and ear grabbing.
>I think the point is that he may be a decent drummer, but that's all that he is.
>but it's very generic and simple. He's a good drummer, but lots of drummers are good enough to do what he did.
>To be a truly "great" drummer, I think you have to be one of the few that can do something a little more creative and ear grabbing.
ah the ol complex = better argument, nice!
How long have you been playing drums my man?
>literally every fill is a Bonham triplet
get some originality faggot
look man they exist and this is a really annoying response, there's drummers who have played in the same bands that he's played in that are better (e.g. Jon Theodore) and my main point is that hes good but not special
>look man they exist
Name them. List me 60 names.
>there's drummers who have played in the same bands that he's played in that are better (e.g. Jon Theodore)
There's 1. Give me 59 more.
>my main point is that hes good but not special
If you can only think of one better drummer out of the literally millions of drummers in the world, then yeah, Grohl is special.
Do you play drums? If you do, do you really think he's anything special? He's not saying complex is special he's saying that actually trying something even *slightly* different is what makes someone great, not upholding the status quo
>Do you play drums?
>he's saying that actually trying something even *slightly* different is what makes someone great,
It's not what you play, but how you play it.
How long have you been playing drums?
That is correct. Thanks for trying though.
Nah fuck off. His fills are worse than Grohl's
>he's not anything special!
>he's only the fourth hit when googling the greatest drummers of rock!
Oh my fucking god so many people in this thread who think that complex, technical drumming with constant use of "different" and "creative" beats is what makes a good drummer
>What is time
>What is groove
>What is feel
Please for the love of god, never ever play drums in a band. Just on the off chance I might see said band and it will ruin my whole fucking night
If you think that avoiding being "boring" is an important part of drumming or defines who is good or not, for the love of god please do ever sit down at a drum set or discuss drumming for anything except for wank-metal
>At a jam
>Everythings going mean
>Some drummer gets up
>Has the same attitude as these clueless rhythmless cunts in this thread, probably thinks Ringo Star and Dave Grohl suck
>We start doing a cover of "Kiss" by Prince
>He starts playing this wanky as fuck 6/8 latin-meets-metal fuckin wack groove
>The bass player is stamping her foot glaring at him trying to get him to play some fucking groove
>Gets off with a smirk on his face
>Probably thinks to this day he killed it
>"At least I don't suck balls and play boring 6 months of drumming shit like Ringo Star!"
Lots of b8 but the mortal of the story is true.
I personally don't like working with drummers who constantly try to show off. it detracts from the song or the sonic design and arrangement. And in trying to overly impress, the overlook the rhythmic necessities to communicate the song itself.
well fine then, groove, feel and timing are important. (even though they're fundamental parts of drumming and it's already assumed that they're important) does that make you feel better?
>well fine then, groove, feel and timing are important
And Dave Grohl does these things amazingly well, as well as being a dynamic rhythmic force.
If you just don't like meat and potatoes, just say so. But you need to admit that not all meat and potatoes are equal and some are better than others.
Cool metaphor man!!!
Yeah he does well exactly what a drummer is supposed to do well. Some drummers are worse at it yeah, but it still doesn't make being good at what he's expected to be good at THAT noteworthy
"I think what we're seeing now is a situation similar to the late 80s-early 90s right before Nirvana broke. Popular music was absolutely dismal then, consisting of nothing but bad dance, pop, and novelty acts. There was nothing that spoke to what the kids were feeling. It happened before and it can happen again."
I'm actually old enough to remember when Nevermind came out and although it was a good album and I saw them touring, I will still say that Nirvana are the most horribly overrated band in all of rock history.
The irony of this Cobain hero worship is that he hated every one of you and killed himself because he couldn't deal with the faggotry of his fan base.
>The irony of this Cobain hero worship is that he hated every one of you and killed himself because he couldn't deal with the faggotry of his fan base.
I think being a junkie and being married to Courtney Love were a factor as well.
>I'm actually old enough to remember when Nevermind came out and although it was a good album and I saw them touring, I will still say that Nirvana are the most horribly overrated band in all of rock history.
Because they were credited with killing hair metal when GNR had already done it almost three years earlier?
I've been arguing this whole thread on the side of groove and shit being more important than technicality, and so I agree that Grohl is a good drummer but yeah he's definitely no way one of the greatest ever or some shit like that. Not even close. He's a hooning, high energy rock drummer that can power a rock band and play some cool unique shit when he wants to (did everyone saying he's boring and simple in this thread just fucking forget about Songs For The Deaf!?!?!?). But he ain't no Bernard Purdie or Art Blakey
this entire thread is just us clashing opinions and your "proof" of your point is just what a drummer should be able to do, this is going nowhere and your a bit of a faggot too but im tired of this
top 10 drummers, i wouldnt pick dave grohl LOL!!!!!!!
not that hes a BAD drummer, bad drummers dont make it big
but cmon.... all the mars volta drummers first off, then zach hill, black pus, tony williams, giraffes?giraffes!, mahavishnu orchestra, Yes... omg im drunk and cmon....
dave grohl is not GREAT, dave grohl is GOOD
It's a little debatable. If you want to compare them to the manufactured hairspray bands like Poison, yes but Motley Crue were around years before Guns and were already practicing the same ultra-hedonist, guitar-smashing, hotel room-destroying lifestyle.
Actually Poison's first album (Look What The Cat Dragged In) is a fun listen because it was recorded on the cheap and has an ultra-raw, lo-fi sound completely unlike the usual synthetic laboratory 80s rock production.
In the early promotional photos of Guns from '87, they're wearing a distinctly glammy wardrobe with big hair and bright colors, but by the time SCOM broke they were sporting a more much grunge-like look with T-shirts and ripped jeans.
>Show me examples of them doing exactly what Grohl does, but better.
Obviously I can't because they play different styles to Grohl and have nothing in a comparable genre. Obviously. But I can show you examples of other guys doing what he does better. Like John Bonham. Or Keith Moon. Or Jon Theodore. Or Dave Elitch. Fuck even Chad Smith probably.
And also contrary to popular belief, it was the poppy, radio-friendly Sweet Child that made Guns a household name, not Welcome To The Jungle which languished in relative obscurity for some months after being issued as a single. The video for SCOM was playing on MTV all day every day during the summer of '88.
see why i'd think this is kind of redundant to continue arguing? also this 59 drummers thing wasn't a good argument in the first place and you seem to be getting a real kick out of "lel Im so clever, really stumped that anon, ha fuck him"
>Foo Fighters is the safest, softest, yuppie dad rock band of our time. It's music for normies who work in cubicles and go mountain biking on the weekends.
I've never heard a better description of them.
Alright not the guy you're talking to and I think I replied some of this shit to you before all these guys can play the same crashy rock style as Grohl but could fucking own him at it
Nope, too flashy
Nope too flashy
Nope too flashy
Not very dynamic at all.
Don't know who he is, sorry.
Don't know who he is, sorry
Not dynamic enough
He sounds like coleslaw when he plays
No, not really.
It's honestly your fault for not paying attention to my request.
Costanza meme? is this 2011?
Which he is great at. Read the thread.
he says a lot of stuff about modern music that makes him seem like an asshole, but really I think he just has a bad habit of not thinking before opening his mouth and he's probably not that bad of a guy.
It doesn't matter if I have or haven't, it's ridiculous to expect everyone to put the time and funds into recording on a specific medium, no matter what their individual situation is, because it's like the rockin' good ol' days