Been a while since we've had a good ole synth thread.
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Today's topic: godtier DCO synths
does anyone know where to find this anymore?
been looking forever
Minibrute SE vs Microbrute SE?
That minibrute SE sure does look good.
It has a sequencer instead of an Arpeggiator which I think is a bit more useful since I want to do Berlin school kind of stuff.
I would be paying $400 so pretty much the same as the regular version
Do you know if the beatstep is compatible with a Korg Mini-Ms20?
Eventually I want to add one of those and a sequencer along with the mini-brute. Just getting back into synths so just building things one at a time right now. I used to have some pretty amazing gear that I feel like an idiot for selling (prophet 5, prophet 600, jupiter 6) oh well
still want this so bad unf
I got a System-1 and Caustic 3 on my tablet.
I will connect them together later today and see what happens.
If you have worked already with arpeggios then you will be fine. This has a sequencer too.
Avoid micro keys. They are horrible to play woth.
The autist in me wants to point out that the Alpha Juno 2 and Poly 800 aren't "DCO" in the same way that the other ones are.
Also the Kawai SX240 and Elka Synthex are the best DCO synths.
Am I better off buying a separate MIDI synth and a MIDI drumpad or should I buy a synth with pads? My budget is about €350 and I don't really need the knobs and faders on the combined synth controllers.
My booth. Can't wait for the 707 kit to arrive to the TR8.
Who here is into rackmount? I got a Yamaha TX81Z and it's really great, I'm thinking about building a little rack for two or three more synths. I was thinking about getting one of the Oberheim Matrix rack synths but I donno
The guy talking shit about the System-1.. I kind of understand. When I saw it for the first time I thought it was cool, the whole color matching collection of synth/drum machine w/e. Then I played it and the keyboard is very strange, the synth is alright to play around with though. This is just Roland trying to encourage consumers to buy reissued, reskinned instruments
Because I need two TB-303, but they're difficult to get, and yes: the x0x are very good, but not versatile in sound. I don't care if it's digital: I do acid, and I use these live.
>wow what a waste of money lol
I think that the whole Aira range is aimed more towards the live performers that want vintage hardware, but don't care about the crap sound
Anyone who refuses to use any Aira products in the studio is right, tho: There's really no reason to buy a VA synth if you'll use a laptop, anyway.
turning knobs and hearing the sound come through a real amp rather than computer speakers is very liberating. It's like that very short time we lived where we made electronic music without computers
I've got a good amount of rack gears
Yamaha TX-816 with 6 TF-1 modules an a DX7 to round it out.
Akai S612 sampler with Zip drive
Electrix warp factory vocoder
Lexicon MX-200 dual reverb/multi fx
Akai MPX820 midi programmable mixer
Peavy CS800s 600wpc amp for main stereo
Alesis RA150 75wpc amp for rear stereo (delay)
Alesis RA300 300watts bridged, for 15" sub
I've come to that conclusion. I used to have an MS2000b but sold it because a) after learning more about synth programming and electronic music in general I found I could create more sounds and more interesting sounds using my computer and b) I found someone who was willing to pay $800 for it
Don't get a Beatstep, get a Behringer BCR2000 (I know, but trust me on this) and a copy of the custom Zaquencer firmware. It's ridiculously powerful:
And yes it'll work with the MS-20 mini, both the beatstep and Zaquencer BCR2000
>aimed more towards live performers that don't care about the crap sound
This is the only way I could see it justified lol, or if you were rich and didn't want to find an old TR808 and wanted new sound toys to play with.
Good point. I forgot Beatstep has CV too.
Unfortunately it wouldn't work very well with the MS-20 mini then, as it uses Hz per volt CV rather than the standard volt per octave that most other modular equipment uses.
You'd need a converter such as the English Tear:
How bout some good ol' fashioned 1930s additive synthesis! Besides boring software it's all I have to contraboot.
awwwyeuh. is that an A-100? I would love to have the space/flexibility for one but refurbing one is a little pricey nowadays
80s digital sounds different than software since it's low res. Also hardware is more stable for live use, and depending on what you make it might be frowned upon to play on a laptop.
>Is that an A-100?
Uhh, kind of.
It was a BV that was put in an A-100 cabinet and given trek II percussion. Then it was chopped and paired with a Leslie 700. Then I found it on Craigslist.
Thankfully my father is a tone attorney, so he has no qualms about having it stored at his place. It also helps that I am able to perform most repairs myself.
You're out of your mind if you think the TB3 sounds better than a x0xb0x or Bassbot. I'd have bought two Bassbots.
I'm sorry but it's not going to be authentic acid if you're using a digital clone of the real thing. You'd probably be laughed off stage if you did a show with proper acid artists.
>80s digital sounds different than software since it's low res.
It's true that in some cases this is difficult to emulate, but in general it's still nothing special. Manufacturers invented a lot of things on their own that aren't published in academic literature, etc. but it can still be reverse engineered and accurately emulated in software.
>depending on what you make it might be frowned upon to play on a laptop
Only for pleb audiences.
>Best software synths?
>Best free software synths?
>The only reason I'm not going analog is because im a poorfag
be a free virtual analogfag
also highly recommend SQ8L, love that vst
>You'd probably be laughed off stage if you did a show with proper acid artists.
>Proper acid artists
>Phuture are using them right now
You were saying?
this is largely just an attempt to justify conspicuous consumption
>You'd probably be laughed off stage if you did a show with proper acid artists.
kek, anyone who's that obsessed with traditionalism (in a genre that's so limited, one-dimensional and creatively bankrupt to begin with) isn't worth bothering with
Ceephax uses a TR-8 now for live work, by the way.
Yes, at a Roland-sponsored event:
It was basically a showcase for the Aira line you fucknut.
I'm basically amassing a collection of 90s/early 00s romplers, I've got a:
E-Mu Proteus 2000
and a Kawai K1R on the way from ebay
I also have a Kurzweil K2000 that I was using for a week before I broke it while trying to get the floppy drive working - I want to kill myself for being so stupid
aaah I see. Great find! And yeah, the good thing about ol' Hammonds is they're mechanical and electrical, as opposed to electronic. No chips or circuit boards to fight with. The hardest thing about them is keeping the vibrato scanner clean, keeping the switch and bussbar contacts clean, and of course keeping the caps from closing-up.
I have to recap mine (M-100). It's about $100 for the set and a shitload of careful unsoldering/soldering so I haven't gotten around to it blah.
Nice find though! And tone attorney? Ha.
I see plenty of opportunity for that kind of shit now, but I can't really bring myself to do it. It's a golden age of cheap 90s synths. Korg Z1, Kawai K5000, Yamaha EX5, etc...
But still, why?
>I also have a Kurzweil K2000 that I was using for a week before I broke it while trying to get the floppy drive working
Shit dude, what did you do?
>Already downloaded Zebrallete to Logic
you're halfway there! play with it, make a song, make a sound, some noise. find out what you like, try emulating certain sounds you like in songs.
Yeah that's me. The Leslie is pretty easy to move if not somewhat delicate, but yep... the M-100 is a good 300lbs probably even as just a spinet. Fuckers will kill ya.
Mind the dust - it had been sitting quite awhile when I took this pic.
>But still, why?
>Shit dude, what did you do?
Put the ribbon cable in the wrong way round like a fucking corndog, probably put 5 volts somewhere it shouldn't have gone. Hoping it's just a blown surface mount capacitor I can get my dad (who is skilled in these arts) to replace - If not I'll have to buy a new engine board
Sucks because I was just getting into it. The FUNs are great - you can do math on LFOs and CCs and shit. Like I made a pulse-width-modulateable square wave LFO by adding the mod wheel to a ramp LFO (between -0.5 and 0.5), and taking everything > 0.5 as 1, anything less than 0.5 as 0. So when the mod wheel is at 0 there's nothing greater than 0.5 so the entire wave is at 0, but as you increase the mod wheel more and more of the ramp goes over 0.5 so more and more of the wave becomes 1 until all of it is
I damaged mine when I upgraded the RAM. It was a bad RAM stick or something. It still mostly works, although it crashes on the self-test and I don't think I can use the sample RAM.
>The FUNs are great
Yeah, you can do ridiculous chaotic feedback loop stuff with it too. It's a lot more flexible than anything else I've owned.
Yeah I know a good few people who do modular synths, which is pretty cool but I'm not into it enough to do it myself. Plus I like acoustics/electroacoustics much more than electronics, if that makes any sense.
Yeah I'm fairly sick of the "gimme a 3d printer file because I can't make anything" crowd, but what I really mean is that its damn near impossible to find other electronics hobbiests these days. Perhaps I just moved to the wrong town though, I used to live near Minneapolis which was very /diy/
It is pretty bullshit to start the "a laptop would do more" everytime.
I have tried both and for me more limited 1 hardware synth makes me work more and be more cfeative than having 200 synths on the laptop.
Not to mention that I am overwhelmed in learning all of the things o the VSTs and end up doing nothing.
it is very subjective what instrument is good even though it is objective that laptops have more sounds and effects sure.
it is like 360 and PS3 controllers. A 360 feels more comfortable but I am a better player with a Dualshock.
So stop being extremists, ekther kids with laptops or purist oldfags and talk about what works for you and synths!
>It is pretty bullshit to start the "a laptop would do more" everytime.
In a literal way, though, CPUs advance more quickly than DSPs, and VSTs are generally a lot more fresh and innovative than hardware.
But in the end it's really all about workflow. I got tired of hardware a while ago, but it's still nice to have your pick of what to use.
analog synths run on electricity, electricity by nature is unpredictable, things like analog filters introduce texture to the sound that digital does not produce.
digital sounds by default are perfect. when a computer produces a square wave, it creates a perfect square, and when a computer filters that square wave it precisely cuts out the frequencies that it is told to cut out.
here lies the interesting part. analog by default is scientifically more pleasing to the ear than digital. humans have never been used to perfect sounds. there is nothing in nature that creates a perfect sound. guitars, pianos, cymbals and so on all produce sounds which have at least slight imperfections in pitch and timbre.
you can keep telling yourself your vst sounds just as good but just know you are wrong.
What I found was that all the stuff that's fun and exotic in modular synths is really much easier to make and control in software.
I value the ability to copy and paste 50 of them, in seconds, without spending any money.
>analog synths run on electricity, electricity by nature is unpredictable
This is a really dumb way to think about it. Electricity is absolutely predictable above the quantum level.
>things like analog filters introduce texture to the sound that digital does not produce.
The difference is in the nonlinearities, delay-free feedback paths and lack of aliasing, not "electricity".
>digital sounds by default are perfect.
No they're not. There's aliasing.
>when a computer produces a square wave, it creates a perfect square
It's not really difficult to model arbitrary waveforms, and besides you're conflating "imperfect" with "good".
>analog by default is scientifically more pleasing to the ear than digital
Jesus christ no it fucking isn't, your reasoning is terrible; electronic signals are far, far more "perfect" than acoustic sounds.
Yeah but still, if you're building electronics you spend most of your time on the physical realization rather than the design (which I think is by far the more interesting part). Software is more of a direct implementation of the math, no soldering, clipping component leads, stripping insulation, ordering parts, wire ties, etc. needed.
Hmm not really sure. Depends what branch you're really wanting to get into. Like, room acoustics? There's a good amount of books out there (Master Handbook of Acoustics, Acoustics by L. Baranek, etc) but as far as "hearing examples" go that's kinda tough.
And yeah if you don't want to do hands-on you design all kinds of shit in Matlab or MaxMSP/PureData, etc. I like hands-on projects for at least my spare time work though.
But what about VAs and this new VA tech that Roland created?
Did they intentionally (digitally) created flaws on their perfect waves? Digital flaws to sound authentic?
yeah i see where you're coming from, but i've had a lot of success finding the sounds i want using this amatuerish method. Im mainly into synths for recording my music. is it just impossible to adequately learn synthesis as i go along on the microkorg?
the flaming lips used it on embryonic and shit sounded nice
If not the microkorg, then what <$400 synth would u recommend?
That is why I got a System-1. I have some limited background with piano and preset synths but I wanted to learn synthesis. Get a machine with knobs, no menus to go from simple soundwaves.
The interface is good for what I want +I am interested for the plugouts to try sounds from the past.
Waldorf Blofeld module and a cheap midi keyboard. The Blofeld like a digital modular synth. The options are pretty much unlimited.
This guy is kinda wrong. Get a machine with menus as your first synth that way you learn how to use a menu synth and don't bitch when there are menus.
anyone know of any good multi effects units for glitchy and other momentary performance effects
I like what the kaoss quad pad does but I need something I could preferably use with dialed in parameters that I could use with a midi foot controller
need both hands for keys and the like
x-y pad requires too much attention for my style of performance
i own the minibrute and it has a much wider range of sounds you can develop than the microbrute, but if it works best for you to have prearrenged sequenced sounds, then the micro is probably best choice. minibrute sounds amazing for the price it's a living creature
get a DAW and plug in your akai via usb.
Whatever daw you get: logic, cubase, FL studio, etc. (doesn't matter which one) will have a bunch of preset synths and instruments inside of it that you can play with your akai and edit on your computer
I also have a Korg Triton with a 300 pages manual and big menu screen.
I spent more time with that machine turning the 4 knobs it has than reading the manual.
knobby synths have one page manuals. It's all about what you think in your head and making it on the fly.
any knobby synth, I don't advertise system1, it was affordable for me and had the functionality for my needs so I got that.
I think BassStation II has better sound but the functionality doesn't work for me at the moment.
But it is true if you can andure menus and learn to work fast on them, you will be in a better position down the line.
so i got it working with FL.
not really sure how mapping things work.
should i just google some guides or anything else everyone wished they learned in the start to make things a little easier?
It kinda depends on what you're looking for, but some guitar processors offer a lot of stuff for not much money, and they can do a bunch of weird stuff that's generally overlooked by guitarists.
It's really flexible and you can get more or less whatever you want out of it. The digital oscillators and delay modulation sound really dirty, and the filters aren't really wild, but otherwise it's whatever you want it to be.
If you know music but don't know how to use a DAW, it's not that bad, just look for tutorials on how to use FL (there's a lot of shitty ones though). Also read the manual. Think of it like the tracks are the parts of your song, and then channels allow you to mix (raise volumes, frequency ranges, add reverbs, delays, etc.).
You could probaly get away with a mopho then. It's a bit more like a Juno since it has a sub osc. Be prepared to drop some cash on a nice analog chorus if you want the juno sound though.
I want it specifically for a gigging setup, which is why I want to replace the giant ass JX-10. I also don't want to have to deal with another vintage instrument that needs constant maintenance. I also have a DX7 and a combo organ in this rig.
What do you think would fill it's niche better? And what would you constitute as "different"
Get the PHAT 108
If it's for gigs, maybe it should be a cheap VA or something. The problem is, gigs or not, you're spending money on something that isn't all that different from what the JX can already do.
>I also don't want to have to deal with another vintage instrument that needs constant maintenance.
Most of them don't really need all that much maintenance. I know it's not really so gig-friendly, but maybe an ESQ-1 or something would broaden the tonal palate a little bit.
Again, I'm looking to replace the JX-10, not add to it. I want something that is a poly that I can edit on the stage.
I've already tried using a Blofeld, but that makes the setup even more complicated. It does what I'd need the ensoniq to do, but with the advantage of not having ensoniq build quality.
From the way you make it sound, the Mopho x4 is exactly what I need.
Thanks guys. I just placed an order for the Minibrute SE, got it for $370 shipped so I think I did pretty good. Cant wait :D
Yeah, feels like the LPF on the microbrute is a bit lacking so I stepped up my game and ordered the moog. I'll be experimenting with a whole bunch of things but I'm pretty excited overall.
Who puredata here?
pic related, project on FM synthesis and it's effects
(FMorgao => FMorgan, FMtambor => FMdrum, FMblocodemadeira => FMwoodenblock, FMfagote => FMBassoon)