>like bands like The Walkmen and The National
>someone asks what music i listen to
>push "indie rock" through my teeth
What other label can I put on this, since "indie rock" doesn't really mean anything anymore? "Alternative" is outdated, and I feel people think of mainstream acts from the late 90s that got lots of radio play when they hear that word, and "rock" is too broad.
this so much
>you must kneel before the sacred cow because some music journalists gave them good reviews fourty years ago and a bunch of then-upcoming musicians tried to sound like them
These, except alternative. It is basically a meaningless word, but I really don't see anyone use it anymore, so it doesn't bug me. If people still used it, I could see it grating.
Also, anyone using a Pitchfork/Scarufi/Fantano review to shut down someone's opinion, whether positive or negative.
Normally, I would call you a faggot, so I will.
>delete system 32
>walk the dinosaur
Depending upon the social context, that might be useful to distinguish
There's so much room in between what it was then and what it is popularly considered now that I wouldn't mind hearing it dropped at all tbh
yfw chefs start using musical terms for their celebrity tv shows...
>that was a simply symphonic meal. started off piano, I experienced taste crescendos and then it finished off with a ritardando of smooth warm soulful notes of flavour to linger in your mouth, body, and mind.
Derivative is a great description. How else do you communicate that a band has latched onto the success of their idols and relies on that as the source for all of their shallow creativity?
>implies inaccurate derivation that focuses on intensifying and replicating a few, many or all elements of the progenitor that ultimately does not fulfill the intentions of the original music or oversteps its bounds in the attempt itself
>pointing toards the ethnicity/country of residence or origin/gender/social status of a musician whilst criticizing them
this is seriously the worst
worse than putting "artist" or similar in quotes
where did say any of that, or did you just accidentally link my post
this this this
No, it's more like no one else uses those buzzwords that way. They usually refer to their image when they say they're tryhard. If that's what you think it implies, then surely you've seen how many times it's wrongly used.
>Then why not call them out?
I do. It just happens so often that the people who use it the way you do are in the very very small minority so the phrase itself annoys me.
>especially when you throw out bait like Tycho
That was just a joke. I'm guilty of using those terms to describe Tycho because I see no other way to.
>What is a bullshit non-criticism?
the entirety of the post?
ýou're basically saying "it's not as good as something similar that came before it and/because it tries something similar"
that's non sequitur
Just curious, do you really think everyone that says 'tryhard' on /mu/ is trolling? I hardly ever see it used in that sense, and generally see it used in a serious sense. If I don't know the area of music being discussed, I'll be wary, but if I know the area I'll be able to distinguish. Do you not have a good troll radar or something? How long have you been on here?
You probably didn't read the comment chain.
Truth in every lie, Mr. Tripfag. Legitimate buzzwords become such because people recognize a new way to describe something they're already familiar with in an accurate fashion that sheds more light on the nature of the thing itself. Then, there are troll buzzwords, like 'memerap.' The buzzword 'tryhard' is a legitimate criticism.
Bait isn't a normative statement of "this artist is good," are you dense? Tycho happens to be relatively polarizing because some worship him as the god of chillout electronic music but others, like you, see him as bland. Which is a legitimate criticism, as I have defended.
I honestly think that 9 out of 10 people who use this phrase use it in the "in my opinion good music" sense rather than "objectively good music". At some point it just gets annoying to have to clarify that it's an opinion with everything you say.
Kek. The interesting thing about this is that you end up agreeing with me that the words you initially discarded as non-criticisms like 'bland' and 'derivative' are actually legitimate, given that your reference to Tycho is now apparently _not_ bait, but instead legitimate dislike using those exact words. Might want to stop posting.
Yeah normal people can pick up in a conversation when you mean objective facts or subjective opinions. However most denizens of /mu/ are cripplingly autistic and can't pick up on that and assumes no one else can either.
First of all, you're backpedaling instead of just taking one for the tripcode and admitting you're wrong and have been had. Second of all, no rational person worth conversing with would tell someone that music criticism is objective.
How? That was my point the entire time.
>taking one for the tripcode
Why are you so fixated on this?
>Second of all, no rational person worth conversing with would tell someone that music criticism is objective.
You can describe the music in an objective way that reveals what you dislike subjectively.
The backpedaling occurred after I pointed out that you ended up using the exact initial words you supposedly dislike in music criticism to illustrate your dislike for Tycho, which you said is not bait.
I'm not fixated on your tripcode. It's pretty common practice to heckle tripfags for having one, but after a post or two we got down to real conversation. You just have to weather it.
You cannot describe something objectively that implies subjectivity. "This piece is in a minor key" does not imply depressing, etc. it is simply a statement of fact.
Motherfucker music is subjective. For every person that upholds a song for a reason they deem objectively superior, ten more will call it objectively awful for that same reason. It's just a way for pretentious faggots to pretend their taste in music is somehow of higher quality than the rest.
No, it's not bait; it's a joke. Learn the difference.
>You cannot describe something objectively that implies subjectivity.
Someone could say "I dislike the disjointedness of the album because it detracts from its consistency" when something is intentionally disjointed while someone else says "I like the disjointedness of the album because it adds to its chaotic nature."
Sorry, can't hear you over my highly eclectic music library!
Disjointedness implies a reference point of constancy, which is in and of itself an objective status. Seriously, your arguments are getting feeble. If you want to continue this, please do, but put some more thought into it so we can have better conversation.
>eclecticism over quality
Never said that - if something is shit it doesn't stay in my library. That's why I only have the title track to ITAOTS because the rest was filth.
>seriously denying subjectivity in music
Epitome of plebatory behaviour everyone - only plebs let others tell them what to like based on arbitrary "objective" factors.
This explains me right now perfectly
>it's too complex for you
>you'd need to know theory/play instrument to enjoy this
It's shitty music if you can't enjoy it without those
And it bothers me even more because I know theory and play multiple instruments but they still keep telling me that shit
>"if x and y had a baby, and that baby..."
dude just look at this guy right away his stare pierces my skull
No, you didn't. You said it wasn't possible, I offered an example, and you were like, "n-no because that's using objectivity as a reference point," which is exactly what I said.
>I only have the title track to ITAOTS because the rest was filth
I dunno, I prefer catchier music over music with "substance" - whatever that is, I'm guessing /mu/core because it's the most boring music I've ever heard. Ratatat > NMH all day every day
Well, Mr. Eldergay Tripfaggot, I'll play your game of "coming somewhere close to replying to the person that is chastising me the most regarding music and objectivity and subjectivity." I am literally all ears.
>music is my life
>only listens to pleb music
>finds instrumental music boring