By now you know the drill, all forms of synthesis welcome, all genres welcome, those new to the synthesizer are especially welcome!
I adjusted the color a bit, just testing to see how it looks
I bought a Minibrute online for $375 then just played with it for a few months, every new synth takes a while to learn but once you figure out the basic components (Oscillator, filter, LFO, envelopes, etc) a lot of it becomes transferable from one to the other.
For hardware synths anyway.
>tfw no one will ever make cheap but cool ripoff moog synths again
Only the Concertmate was better than what it was intended to ripoff.
The first serious synth I bought was a CZ5000, I was working at a music store at the time. I forget the price but I think it was about 600 used, a million years ago. Great machine.
Yes of course
There are so many awesome synths out now for so cheap it's amazing. I know the renaissance will not last. I was still working music retail during the guitar crash and I see that coming our way again. Eurorack especially, the market can't sustain the number of players that are trying to get into it.
bought a Roland Alpha Juno 2 on ebay for $275 and it works perfectly
interface with the alpha dial kind of sucks but man the thing sounds good. its got a way different character than the other Juno's but with all those waveforms you can make some fucking awesome pads and cool basses on it
im using it with a BCR2000 and its a knob monster now so there's literally no downside.
The Microbrute was my first synth - a Minibrute would have been nice(r), but my budget lessened what I could get. Nevertheless, I bloody loved messing about with it, even if at the time I had no idea what I was doing. It's a great machine for generating some nice grating, noisy leads.
Though it's sort of been relegated to the shadows now that I have a BassStation II which I'm absolutely in love with. I know it can generate leads just as well (if not better) than the Arturia models, but I've been heavily invested with bass sounds/textures and what I've made thus far has brought a huge grin to my face.
I could drop my life savings into that website and not even feel guilty.
I almost wish I got into .com instead of euro. Their prices are actually really good and the build quality is MUCH better than most of the euro brands. With the new smaller BOX and modular keybed stuff he's released I've been tempted to jump ship.
bought juno 106 off craigslist in 2008
aw sheeit its organ moog dude.
All I want in life is an mpc2000 and to start building a modular.
It's pretty large, but I also have plenty of space. I'm taking piano lessons, so it helps to have a piano around too. It's also a much better instrument to write with, it's so immediate.
I've had the JX-10 for a couple of years now. It's sluggish, but it just has that special silky pad sound.
>I've had the JX-10 for a couple of years now. It's sluggish, but it just has that special silky pad sound.
Yeah it can be very like. Movie soundtrack. That's what I like about it though it's all around real smooth.
I wish I could get the rack version of it to save some space.
Nah it was on craigslist. Good to hear the prices are not bullshit for these yet. I think they are underrated.
I really don't need any more synths right now but I'd love a poly 61, dx7 or some jx series.
The only reason I saw it on k-bid was because they cross posted it to CL, there's another JX-10 that's been around for like a year, because it's listed for like $600 or some crazy shit.
dedicated DSP, more prebuilt advanced blocks to work with. The additive stuff alone makes it worth the price of admission imo.
Max was originally simply a control language and while it's certainly grown from there its audio handling is not as sophisticated.
Because I work with realtime audio. You can't do FFT analysis with Max, you can't do most types of synthesis. Max is mostly about logic and functions.
If you have worked with either, you'd know why they're hardly a comparison. It's like saying "why would you get a computer if you can just use a DX7?"
to expand, for a lot of high level stuff you're going to be calling externals anyway. If you want to dive down the rabbit hole you might as well save the ~350$ for max and dive into csound right from the start.
The problem I see with Kyma is that it hasn't progressed rapidly enough to keep up with software. There's not enough development effort. Hardware DSP doesn't mean shit when CPUs have advanced much more quickly. And I realize that it includes some neat high level stuff, that's rather old too.
Here's my little boy, I bought it 3 years ago and there's no single day I don't turn it on and play. This thing got me into synthesizers I'm looking forward to buy a bass synth, maybe a minitaur.
All sounds made with my GAIA
I guess I don't know. I've just used kyma for a while and have grown used to how powerful and good sounding it is. Max is neat, but I don't want to spend year building everything from scratch that aliases and doesn't sound the way I want it to. I also want to be able to plug in a mic and process what I need to for a performance.
I'm a DSP engineer so I guess my perspective is a little different, but I don't really know why you'd want to get into esoteric computer music shit without wanting to mess with the lower level aspects of things.
>Max is neat, but I don't want to spend year building everything from scratch that aliases and doesn't sound the way I want it to.
There's nothing wrong with the sound quality if you know what you're doing.
>I also want to be able to plug in a mic and process what I need to for a performance.
Max can do that too; the only difference compared to hardware DSP is the same latency issues as any other software. If you're doing frequency domain processing, there's always latency with FFTs anyway.
Because I'm interested in sound design. Not coding. It's great that there's resources available to do low level coding, but I'm trying to make music.
Regarding sound quality, that's my biggest issue with Max. I'm sure you're fine with it, but I just want to throw a prototype together and be done with it.
>Regarding sound quality, that's my biggest issue with Max. I'm sure you're fine with it, but I just want to throw a prototype together and be done with it.
It's not a big deal, though. All you have to understand, for example, is that you use a trivial sawtooth as a phase accumulator for a sine or arbitrary waveform (i.e. for FM synthesis), and a bandlimited sawtooth to listen to it directly (subtractive synthesis). I don't think there's really a fundamental issue with sound quality, or that you have to take pains to make something sound decent. It's just a matter of knowing a little bit about how it works. The interpolation algorithms, bandlimiting, etc. might be a little better in a recently developed VA synth (either hardware or software), but this would probably also be better than Kyma as well.
And have you tried Reaktor? It should be better for high level stuff, though maybe not frequency domain...
I'm not really doing subtractive synthesis though. I'm mostly doing realtime processing if acoustic instruments (like chamber ensembles), and processing them and playing them back over quad channel.
It's very niche, and Kyma suits that niche very well.
I've tried reaktor. Have you tried kyma?
hes just telling you what needs to be said man, i havent seen him be an antagonist once.
youre the one who is getting irrationally defensive, why i dont really know. he has done nothing but provide information
>I'm not really doing subtractive synthesis though.
I'm not sure where you'd run into aliasing, then.
>It's very niche, and Kyma suits that niche very well.
Sure, but there are plenty of ways to do that.
>I've tried reaktor. Have you tried kyma?
I've read about it; manuals, etc. I used Reaktor a long time ago but mainly use Pure Data now.
>Why do you have to be so against my own way of making music?
I'm really not, though it does bug me slightly that people doing this sort of thing don't have a stronger technical background. It's not really that difficult, and it opens up a huge number of possibilities.
I mean the major computer music composers were all self-taught programmers. If you really want to get into interesting territory, that's the way to do it. There's nothing inherently wrong with using high level stuff as it is, but at the same time it's not fundamentally different from using Eventide effect processors or whatever, or using fixed architecture synths rather than modular. You're relinquishing a good deal of control to the designer. Maybe that's fine, but you're also constrained by the designer's vision rather than your own.
I think you're just weirding out for no good reason. I'm not fundamentally opposed to Kyma, though I wouldn't want to commit to it because I see it falling into obsolescence. It's just odd that you're seemingly acting like it's the only game in town.
You seem unsure as to what it is at this point. Claiming it's no different than a prebuilt synth implies you don't know what kyma is or that you're intentionally being antagonistic. It's still very modular, it just happens to have premade prototypes for things like oscillators, amplifiers and envelopes.
I'm not, I said I might save up for a kyma system, and you wouldn't let down. And you still won't. I don't think you care so much about what kyma is, or about people interested in computer music so much as you are about arguing with people on the Internet. That's why I am "weirding out". Because I really don't feel like having some guy hound me because I don't work the way he does.
>All I want in life is an mpc2000
My blofeld died yesterday. No audio output anymore. It was even my birth day.
Feel with me /mu/.
My SH-201 has been "out for delivery" for 6 hours now. I'm really anxious, because between PayPal and eBay-esque site issues, I've been waiting for 26 days now to get it and if it comes with a defect I'm going to cry like a little girl.
I feel for you, man.
I can chop samples on an mpc. I used one quite a bit and yes the sequencing is great.
The problem is that I got to use one for a while and loved it but I do not own one and cannot find one cheap locally.
Going from the 2k to the 2kXL to the 1k, I've got to say you're missing out if you don't go with a 1k/2500 with jjos. I like how portable the 1k is so I stick with that but if you absolutely need the bigger pads, cop a 2500 and jjos. Much more powerful than the 2k, no headaches over project storage. I've got hard drives and max ram in my two and I just can't imagine going back.
That's actually a fairly common issue with the early ones.
If it's otherwise functional it is VERY likely that that is the problem. Love the blofeld, for all of waldorf's faults it's still one of the best VA/wavetable/S+S synth out there.
this kinda but not really. my parents know I'm really into music so I got one for my birthday, used from eBay. music is a really rewarding experience so it's nicer than buying something like clothes or cologne or whatever
I bought one of these and it's shit. Did I just get trolled or am I a retard using it wrong.
it is? i use dat adob audition and its pretty straight forward and get pretty fast after doing a few. also where is my goddamn soundcloud link. surely you repaired the interface already
Yeah the MS-20 is noisy as fuck, but damn I love mine, it's perfect for aggressive sounds and those filters can really scream. I've got a Vermona Mono Lancet for smoother sounds.
You really shouldn't buy analog though if you can't handle even a little background noise though.
>What should I do?
More research and find out what you really want. You shouldn't just buy whatever strangers on the Internet tell you to. Also if you really want the Gaia, do not buy it at retail price
What's your intention? I own one and I'd be hesitant to suggest the OP1 to anyone. It fills a very small niche. The volcas are cheap and cheerful but really shine as additions to a performance rig, without some other sequencer/sampler you're going to get bored quickly I think. MS20 is great if you're looking for an awesome monosynth. Gaia is just a terrible gussied up rompler. If you want knobs, get a kstation, it's cheaper and wildly better.
It's not a VA, it's a gimped ROMpler like the SH32. Sampled waveforms without even having the decency to give you S+S features ala "good" ROMplers like the k*000 or even the D50.
Get whatever you can find that's cheap on craigslist in your area then. You'll quickly figure out what you like and don't like. Just avoid things that are obviously trash, aforementioned Gaia, box store electronic pianos, etc.
If what you want is what it's got, then absolutely yes. That said it's got a fair amount of problems. For how supposedly robust the construction is- the jacks are surface mount which is fucking stupid, the keybed is membrane dome no-name laptop quality, the display's plastic is softer than butter. On the software side, it is not mindful of zero-crossings anywhere. That means clicks and pops in the tape recorder, clicks and pops in the sampler. Synths are fairly varied but not very editable. Envelopes are very simple, no log/lin. Basically no modulation routing. Everything sounds kind of "samey" even from the sampler. Patch management is a total fucking joke, you can not name or organize them on the device itself. Battery life is very good, but not easily replaceable. Memory is laughingly small and not upgradable.
If you need something for a sketchpad on the go, want something for electro-busking, or want to add polyphony to an otherwise mono rig (modular/monosynths/etc) it's nice.
>If what you want is what it's got, then absolutely yes.
I say this because there is simply nothing else out there like it, which is why I got one. it is more than the sum of its parts.
Voice chips? They're not that hard to fix.
It's literally a ROMpler+COSM, I'm not sure what your confusion is.
Even a TV repairman could remove them and add machined sockets for you. Give them an acetone bath, remove the shell and hope for the best. Out of the dozens I've cleaned this way only a few didn't come back.
I think you dudes are right. This is what I was expecting with a ms 20. Even resonating the HP for extra low sines was pretty disappointing. IDK maybe it will grow on me, I'm a sucker for inverted envelopes and patching.
>medium priced synth for beginners?
For real though what's your price point and what do you want out of a synth. I love my microbrute and they are p cheap at $260.
If you want a monoponic bass synth you could get a Microbrute, Bass Station 2 or MS 20 mini. The mini is kinda harsher than the other two.
If you want a polyphonic synth you could get a waldorf blofeld. The blofeld will be harder to master and will sound colder since it's digital but, you have a lot more sound design options due to the wavetable synthesis. If you get lucky you could get a Roland Juno 6/60/106 second hand for 600 or under if you look around a lot. I got a 106 for $600 and I've seen a 6 selling for $300 on craigslist before. Be wary when you buy vintage though. A 106 with original voice chips will break on you and you will need to buy clone chips. The clones chips are exactly identical though and better than the original but, they are a like $250-300 for all 6 not including labor to put them in.
VSTs can't replicate analog electronics and actual keyboards are more stable for live usage.
>Eurorack especially, the market can't sustain the number of players that are trying to get into it.
true. i also can see the bubble. Too many manufacturers and only an handful of them are interesting. Too bad i also want to jump on the wagon
i have a synth and an sp404. do I need a sequencer or a mixer? also, I have everything working except I can't play/record my synth into my sp404 directly through the audio out/audio in output/input. does anyone have any advice on this?
hmm I have that lit but I still can't play it while connected to the sp404. I can use my mic if that's plugged in, so I know it should be working. thanks for the help anyway though
Hey, anons, i'm looking for a kinda cheap synth to start learning, i know about music and i play guitar, saxophone and a bit of piano. Would you recommend anything to me or just give me some advice?
Also, if anyone can tell me how to set up a synth for a concert and stuff that would be great.
I shill microbrute so much it isn't even funny but, I have this unconditional love for it. It's got a great acid sound that is unlike a 303 but, can be interesting and really hold it's on in a track.
it would be an added piece to my producer's setup, I would just use it to mess around on the go and such... sounds like a pretty decent investment if I run into some extra cash
Nigger, MS-20 is one of the best synths around. IMO better than any moog for bass sounds and saws in general.
But yeah, as some anon said, it's pretty poor if you don't have some filters and effects to route it through.
I've used TAL U-NO-LX-V2 before and it pretty much perfectly replicates the juno 106 sound when you are playing 1 key. When you start playing chords the difference becomes crystal clear. The 106 is pretty borderline hybrid synth though.