Ive posted this a few times before but I like the discussion anyways.
This whole chart is terrible. No normal plebs listen to Jazz. No non-American normal plebs listen to country. Every normal pleb listens to Dubstep, Classic Rock, Alternative, New School EDM, and Indie-Rock. Industrial is no more obscure than Extreme Metal, and nor is Math Rock any more obscure than Post-Rock. IDM should be one level closer to pleb than old-scool EDM. Avant-garde and experimental are too vague to make the list at all. Drone should be one level further down the list than extreme metal, as should Dark Ambient. Tibetan throat singing should be back in level 5. The memegenres should be removed altogether. Cavenoise, smokesound, internal bio-reverb, memory wave samples, and earthquake waveforms are lowercase-styled field recordings, or noise soundscapes built thereof. Space noise is a form of aleatoric noise music. Tonal reconstruction experiments are not a thing; xenharmonicism and micro/paucitonality are long-established ideas, that are far beyond the experimental. Post-auditory vibrations are by definition not music, and have no place on this board. Every song from a particular artist played at once are pleb as fuck, and belong in level 2 (whatever your opinion of them is, they are not obscure). Visual music (colour music) is not as obscure as it sounds; there was a pretty massive tradition of it within the futurist movement, and it still sticks around with every 'modern-classical/electroacoustic' elitist: I'd move it down a level or two. I've never heard of fractal chord mapping, so I can't comment on it. Electric wine glasses are an instrument, and recording technique, not a genre; the same goes for the orgasmaclavier. Treated static is a form of noise-music.
alright, so you know what a chromatic scale is right? a scale that uses all the notes. in the vast majority of western music, our chromatic scale has 12 notes. xenharmonic music utilizes tunings that have more or less notes than we do, which results in different intervals, or "distance" between the notes. microtonal specifically refers to any amount of notes above 12 because it results in smaller intervals.
think of it like, you have 12 chairs in a circle an equal amount of space apart on each side. that's our tuning system, 12 tone equal temperament. 12 tone = 12 notes, equal temperament = all notes are spaced evenly apart. now imagine if you had to add a chair to the circle, but still have an equal distance between each chair. you would have smaller gaps. do that with notes and that's microtonal.
note that this isn't all that xenharmonicism is, there are tunings that have uneven gaps, etc, but that should give you a basic idea of what it is.
Thank you that made a lot more sense than the wikipedia article for it.
So are you saying that the normal C to C is obviously the 12 note chromatic scale, but with certain xenharmonic stuff there might be more notes in between? Do those notes have names?
>So are you saying that the normal C to C is obviously the 12 note chromatic scale, but with certain xenharmonic stuff there might be more notes in between?
yeah, exactly. a 13 note system would have 13 notes between.
>Do those notes have names?
depends on the system. there isn't a lot of standardization when it comes to xenharmonicism
Technically, yes; but when people talk about it in a musical context, they tend to mean the reverse. Translating visual images into music - not through the emotional response you have to the image (as in expressionism and impressionism), but as literally as possible.
Any image, I think that's the point. Generally though, people like to work with photos (since the music is already pretty abstract, I guess they feel that capturing a real, solid image helps), and almost invariably, a digitised one (since you can capture a lot more information from an image digitally than you can visually.
You may think you sound stupid, but that's exactly the question that drives the art-form, as far as I understand, so it's exactly the right question to ask. The answer, is that there's a billion ways to do itL On the simplest level, you could say to yourself "I'll treat the horizontal plane of the image as time, and I'll assign a note to each colour (say, red means you play a Bb, and green means you play a G), and maybe the brightness of the colour indicates octave, and the horizontal plane of the image would build up your harmonies. Obviously, that's a very simplistic way to do it, but it's still valid, and would still be creating visual music. More realistically though, they tend to set all sorts or arbitrary parameters, using colour spectrums and computers to analyse images, and output complex soundscapey scores full of shifting tone-colour data and stuff.
TL;DR how you go about answering that question is exactly what visual music is all about - the process in general is seen as more important than the product.
Huh, thats exactly what I was imagining in my head with the color per note thing. But wouldn't that sound like utter shit if its just based on "Random" colors on the image?
Do you have any links to this kind of stuff?
>But wouldn't that sound like utter shit if its just based on "Random" colors on the image?
Basically, yes, but so does most aleatoric music, which is why the process is generally seen as more important than the result.
I mean... There are plenty of ways that you could limit just how much of the music is written my the image (or, in the case of true aleatoric music - by random chance), for example, you could limit the way the colour of the image affects your pitch my only assigning colours to relate to the pentatonic scale, or you could define the colours vertically as intervalic relationships to the theme's notes, so while you might have a random theme, the harmony might remain relatively functional. All that is the job of the composer, and why it's still an art-form, rather than the exact science of translating image to sound.
its entire structure is based around one meandering melody that's a pretty basic idm structure (like it's wayyyy overused)
the atonal ripples make it interesting for the first thirty seconds but then gets stale and sounds like off-tone synths layered underneath the ones that are on pitch
it ends up sounding incredibly cartoony and cheesy
does that make sense?
I was google searching danger music and apparently there is a thing called "sonic weapon". Could that be the most patrician thing of all time? getting hit with a sonic blast so intense that you become deaf and disabled?
Fuck I wanted to complain about some ranking not making any sense but then I saw
Nice picture 10/10
>not listening to "the best" on sound loop
>not listening to dark ambient constructed entirely from re-sampled location recordings originally captured inside the hanger environs of a Northrop-Grumman B-2 Stealth Bomber, during a period of downtime maintenance at a U.S. Air Force base in Cambridgeshire, England.
Just how pleb are you, /mu/?
[spoiler]But seriously it's a cool album, as are all his others.[/spoiler]
Sonorism is music that focuses on tone colour, texture, and dynamics much more so than rhythm, melody, or harmony to give structure to pieces.
Xenharmonicism is music that lies outside of standard 12-pitched chromatic scales. It generally refers to microtonal and paucitonal music, but not alternative temperaments of the 12-tone octave (like standard mean-tone or Pythagorean tunings).
Aleatoric music is music in which some or all the elements of the composition are left to chance, or in which some or all of the elements of the notation are left to the interpretation of the performer.
Generative music is often associated with minimalism, and refers to long, ever-changing sequences of music which are generated from a single simple musical process (often, phase, or the offsetting of elements of differing lengths).
Stochastic music is very similar to aleatoric music, but where the elements of 'randomness' are a lot more rooted in true mathematical randomness (or as close to that as can be achieved). It does not include elements which are simply left to the performer's interpretation, but instead involves generating musical passages through non-deterministic methods.
I don't know why Sonorism is written twice.
What about pain frequencies? I was meditating the other day when I started noticing different frwquncies resonating for the heart and breathing, all tied in rhythm. Pain experienced on different parts of the body would illicit different frequencies to those of bodily functions.
But that's hardly a genre, is it? I mean, I suppose you could argue that it's a subgenre of internal bio-reverb so far as this chart goes, but internal bio-reverb is only a subgenre of aleatoric micro-music anyway. I don't think anybody would agree that limiting yourself to expressing, or being generated by a single emotion is enough to make a genre, nor is limiting yourself to a particular instrumentation. A sub-genre maybe, but certainly not a genre in itself.
Things about this list
1-This list is about 2deepness4u and not about quality
2-Being level 6 doenst mean the thing is 3 times more deeper4u than a level 2 stuff. It just means its more deeper4u than tier 5 and less deeper4u than tier 7.
House (excluding house sub-genres I say on other levels)
"Euro trance" (excluding dutch trance)
Contemporary folk (problably would split into different levels if I knew what are the genres that contemporary folk have)
Neue Deutsche Härte
Punk Rock (excluding pop-punk, grindcore, noise rock, powerviolence, hardcore)
Hardcore (Punk Rock one)
Stoner Doom Metal
Softer Hardcore (electronic music one) subgenres (excluding happy hardcore)
Traditional Doom metal
Sludge Doom Metal
Funeral Doom Metal
Drone Doom Metal
This is pretty much the most underground, and therefore most patrician band there is.
Prove me wrong.
>obscure does not equate to patrician
Actually it does.
Why do you think The Beatles or Justin Bieber are so bad? Because of their music? HAHAHA no. It's because they're popular. Why would you want to enjoy a wonderful piece of music that's been listen to by millions of other people? It ruins the experience; it would be like having sex with a girl who's slept with hundreds, thousands of guys. Why would you want that? Why would you want to listen to a record that's had millions of ears pressed up to it? It's literally the same thing.
All music is good, but when lots of people like certain kinds of music, it ruins the overall quality . That's why patrician music has always, and will always be obscure.
>harsh noise level infinite
lots of people listen to harsh noise dude. i mean it's not a "pleb" genre but it's not god of all patricians ascend to the next plane of existence. as far as experimental music goes it's well-known and widely appreciated
xhenharmonic is just music made not using 12 tones equal temperament with octave.
even if you make music in 53 tones equal temperament with octave, (a thing that follow better the reasons that made we pick 12 tone equal temperament with octave, excluding the factt that now the kayboard will have a extreme amount of keys) we would be creating xenharmonic music
But the Beatles aren't bad, and that analogy is terrible, and only goes to show that you're a virgin or have only ever slept with virgins; which is silly, because by your logic, there would be no virgins (them being the most sexually desirable people on the planet).
>Generative music is often associated with minimalism, and refers to long, ever-changing sequences of music which are generated from a single simple musical process (often, phase, or the offsetting of elements of differing lengths).
So something like Steve Reich's Electric Counterpoint or his Clapping Music?
>obscure music genres
Can someone help me find this shit? It was some Asian group, had an album with heavy use of pianos, violin, and riffs, really traditional sounding female vocals and maybe the occasional metal screams in the background. Sounded very avantgarde and post-rockey.
>>obscure does not equate to patrician
>Actually it does.
No it doenst.
The difference between, "never ventured outside radio" vs "ventured outside of radio only"...
... Is like a guy that every month walk near a huge bookstore(with 200000+ books inside the store) and see the 40 book on the store front door display.
The guy that venture outside radio, enter the store and spend some time there looking at the books inside the store.
as you see the first guy book research method is a ultra bad one.
Also, there is a HUGE change that the second guy enter the store look at some books and dont care about the front display ones, I mean there are 200000+ books inside the store, the 40 ones are just 0,02% of the total books there.
The pyramid one is terrible, hampus made that up one day and kept spamming it. HIs threads were mostly shitposts and the content was barely discussed, except to say it was complete shit.
Exactly. Clapping music, is a perfect example, though, 'It's Gonna Rain' is the more generally cited of his pieces as an example, because of it's longer form than clapping music, and more strict adherence to it's own generative formula than electric counterpoint.
nope clapping music is not generative, its just minimalism.
But you could do a generative version of clapping music.
Clappling music follow this pattern. 3, S, 2, S, 1, S, 2, S
with S being stop clapping and the numbers being the amount of time you need to clap.
as you see the thing start with 3 and go back to 1 and then go back to 2. Making it loop
3212 3212 321232123212.....
You could make a generative clapping music where a guy select a number and this number dictates the song.
If he select 1, the song will be
GUY 1 = C S C S C S C S C S C S C S C S C S C S C S C S
GUY 2 = C S C S C S C S S C S C S C S C C S C S C S C S
S= Not clap
the artist aube created (he is dead) music using only this method*
his albums had some theme, he recorded some sounds on this theme and then used ONLY effects on those sounds to create the final music
most of his albums are harsh noise and dark ambient
but he was some power electronics,
few lowercase albums
and sometimes some other genres
*maybe this exclude some his collaborations
Ned Martin Stringham was severely bipolar and when he didn't take his medication he became maniacally convinced that he was no longer Ned Martin Stringham (grandpa, husband and father) but Mar-Tie, Country Western Superstar.
He recorded thousands of songs and had boxes and boxes of cassette tapes with his music and musings. Nearly all of his music has been lost due to unpaid storage bills.
>Every song from a particular artist played at once
>Get ITAOTS played at once
Shit's pretty loud, but some of the guitar chords and Mangum's voice shine through in interesting ways. I think I like it.