What's the best Post-Rock album ever made?

Not that one, that's for sure

ECIM

>>47735514
Great album, but not even close to Spiderland.

SFTB

>implying /mu/ knows anything about post-rock

>>47735632
Well, at the very least we know first wave is the only good wave of post-rock

>>47735657
Kinda proto-post-rock, but this is close. I still don't think it's as good as Spiderland, however.

Probably the Faust s/t

>>47735683
>I still don't think it's as good as Spiderland, however.
Then you're a pleb, plain and simple.

>>47735703
That's not post-rock tho

>>47735720
>>47735720
Yes it is. You're just ignorant.

>>47735719
>OPINIONS!
Gee anon, you never learn.

>>47735683
I could see why people would think that. I just thing The Ascension is better.

>>47735720
it absolutely is. it fits the definition to a t. just because the term post-rock didn't exist in 1971 doesn't mean shit.

>>47735728
Explain. Also, Faust s/t is one of my favorite albums but it isn't post-rock

>>47735747
That's totally cool!

Is TBK the first post-post-rock album ever made?

>>47735766
Post-rock is a subgenre of rock music characterized by the influence and use of instruments commonly associated with rock, but using rhythms and "guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures" not traditionally found in rock. Faust. Public Image Ltd. Bardo Pond.

>>47735683
Spiderland sounds like a lot of math rock and post hardcore bands at it's time. The Ascension was way ahead of it's time and it bums me out you people praise Spiderland when even Houdini is a better record.

>>47735804
>Even Houdini

Houdini is fantastic, don't you "even Houdini" me. Spiderland is still a better record imo

>>47735514
Not even cul de sacs best album
>>47735683
>Spiderland
Please, its a 7/10 at most.. maybe when you graduate from high school you will shed the teenage edgyness.. keyword: maybe
>>47735616
>>47735657
these two are the only viable answers itt
>>47735703
top 5
>>47735718
top kek

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>>47735773
in a word, no.

>>47735804
>Spiderland sounds like a lot of math rock and post hardcore bands at it's time
Spiderland in the end did something that turned out to be way different. Maybe you're just ignorant anon. Also, being ahead of its time isn't the only factor you need to consider when rating which post-rock album is the "best". Also agree with >>47735856

>>47735860
>Please, its a 7/10 at most.
nah

Plains of the Purple Buffalo

>>47735941
this is a post-rock thread not an instrumental indie rock thread

What's the best Cul De Sac record? I only ever listened to china gate and I loved it

>>47735920
Spiderland suffers from the velvet underground syndrome. Which means that for its time, it was novel and influential on many artists to come. However, if we take into consideration all the bands that have not only duplicated it, but also improved upon its blandness (obviously learned in retrospect) we will come to the conclusion that it is incredibly tame and timid when compared to all other post rock records.

>>47735977
ecim

>>47735941
4/10 album

>>47735773
>post-rock core

>>47735977
That is the best cul de sac album, ecim is 2nd best

>>47735986
>Spiderland suffers from the velvet underground syndrome
No it doesn't. TVU suffers from the TVU syndrome, but Spiderland really doesn't. The execution is too great to age badly.

>>47735860
>Spiderland
>Not a 10

Fuck off m8

>>47735986
What bands have duplicated it? Where would you say it's bland?

>>47735703
>>47735657
>>47735616
>>47735421
>>47735683
all 10/10

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>>47735718
I love that album

>>47736029
I'm sorry buddy but I cant converse with someone who is a fan-boy because you will defend the album no matter what because of your obvious love for it. Its probably you're second week on /mu/ and this is the first album you really like after going through some /mu/core so you claim its genius. Its happened before buddy, hopefully you will expand your music library and one day you will come to the realization that others have done better, much much better
>>47736076
>spoonfeed me

>>47735718
love it but not anywhere close to post rock

>>47735760
>it fits the definition to a t.
>too cool to be prog whilst still fitting the definition of prog

Oh my god, you're right

>>47736094
>projection

>>47736094
In your replies to both of the posts made, your baiting is too obvious.

>>47735860
>maybe when you graduate from high school you will shed the teenage edgyness
This is despicable behavior, anon. You should be ashamed of yourself.

>>47736094
Oh, so you can't actually support your claims

Okay

>>47736094
>Asked to defend his argument with points
>Spoonfeeding

>>47735977
Ecim is amazing, I also like Crashes to Light... Unsure of the general consensus on that one.

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Also for thread topic related it's either this or Goodbye Enemy Airship, The Landlord is Dead by Do Make Say Think

>>47735882
neat

>>47736094
This would make gr8 pasta

>>47735421
Spiderland

>>47736094
holy shit

>>47736178
Friendo likes to suck on mems penis

>>47736168
Crashes to Light is excellent. I prefer it to Ecim, personally.

>>47736178
Oh dear it appears my cover art is broken

>>47736214
What's a mem ?

>>47736088
not even their best

>>47736178
this album wasnt that good tbh
one of my least favourite thing Cul de Sac was involved with

>>47735514
China Gate is better

>>47736259
too deep for you

>>47736270
probabely

>>47736259
Valtari is their best, though.

>>47736259
>China Gate is better
nah

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>>47735986
>the velvet underground syndrome

>>47735986
>>47736293
did you make this you fucking faggot

>>47736311
>>47736292
ok thanks you guys convinced me

>>47736358
shut the fuck up

F#A# is honestly the closest to perfection.

Plains of the Purple Buffalo is pretty cool too

>>47736412
Plains of the Purple Buffalo is Prog Metal

>>47736094
Are you upset about something

No Tortoise in this thread, what the hell guys?

TNT and Millions Now Living Will Never Die are both beautiful

>>47736311
>>47736292
He's right, though.

>>47736456
What do you think "post-rock" means ?

>>47735773
It's generally considered by music critics to be post-swamp-core

>>47736538
Why are you still ITT? If you genuinely think Spiderland is the best post-rock album then I urge you to fuck off back to /mu/essentials you fucking faggot

>>47736586
?
I think that you quoted the wrong person

>>47736615
no, i did'nt.

Spiderland, STFTB, Million Living, F#A#, Lift Yr. Skinny Fists, Young Team, Agaetis, Enjoy Eternal Bliss, Program Music, Goodbye Enemy Airship, The Quiet Lamb

I have shit opinions btw

>>47736586
dude chill out jesus

>>47736586
>If you have an opinion that I don't want you to have, fuck off!
This post reeks of /mu/, but why am I surprised?

>>47736586
Spiderland is a fantastic album and going out of your way to dislike it because it's /mu/core only makes you a giant faggot

>>47736670

>hey everyone, I just discovered post-rock a few weeks ago so let me educate you about the genre!

>>47736670
>Program Music
*barfs*

>>47736660
Work on reading comprehension then, I guess.

>>47736705
I told you I have shit opinions lad

>>47736680
You also missed the part where I never said anything about Spiderland in the first place, lol

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This, no doubt.

>>47736720
>*barfs*

>Doesn't like Program Music
*barfs*

>this thread
its obviously hex

>>47736753
Yeah, I ignored that part. His paranoia for trips are outstanding. Even more /mu/faggotry.

>>47736768
>likes bastardized classical
>likes bastardized glitch
>likes the two of them put together into one gigantic piece of shit
*gets diagnosed with lymphoma*

>>47736754
+1 big fan

>>47736836
>BUT IT MUST BE PURRRREEEEEE

>>47736813
what

>>47736768
program music 1 is shitty melodramatic third wave post-rock under the pretense of "modern classical" so it appeals to pseudo-deep neckbeards - it's not classical, it's mallglitch on par with hans zimmer in that it panders to fedoras who love "epic" music

a few dizzy digital cuts and bad songwriting masquerading as free-spiritedness can't turn shitty viola synths and done-to-death vi-iii-vii pop progressions into anything worthwhile. it's overproduced and overwrought and it constantly meanders without purpose or intensity. it's not program music in the slightest, it's crescendocore with "glitches"

>>47736772
you know you could just put " ???????? ????????" in the name field, right ?

>>47736881
this this this this

>>47736894
wow really

????????

>>47736920
amazing!

>>47736917
>>47736942
Yeah no biggie

>>47736881
>Implications: the post

>program music 1 is shitty melodramatic third wave post-rock under the pretense of "modern classical" so it appeals to pseudo-deep neckbeards

Perhaps not everyone who likes music you don't like falls under this miniscule category? Perhaps even the music itself has no intention of being "psuedo" anything, and is simply experimentation and an attempt at art. You seem to think the guy just sat down at his computer one day and said "Yeah, these dumb shits will eat this up". I'm sorry for you.

>>47737004
You've been rused and bamboozled, I'm afraid.

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>>47737004
>You seem to think the guy just sat down at his computer one day and said "Yeah, these dumb shits will eat this up".
that happens all the time actually

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>>47737004

>>47737004
No I think it was more like some dumb shit sat down at his computer and thought he'd make something cool, but it ended up being something only fellow dumb shits thought was cool

some1 upload ecim in flac please

>>47737082
B9

>>47737004
>simply experimentation and an attempt at art
This post has transcended the fedora.

>>47736768
It's enjoyably melodramatic at best.

Plains Of The Purple Buffalo or get the fuck out

>>47737187
>Of The
fucker cmon

>>47737202
Fight me faggot. Plains Of The FUCKING Purple Buffalo, or you can get the fuck out?

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This or Maar

I love these threads. There are so few worthwhile bands in the genre that the elitist pricks need to really put forth a lot of effort to hate on anything that is from the last 10 years or is at all popular.

It's so cute ^////^

Kveikur by Sigur Ros

fite me

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>>47737428
Fine

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>>47736586

The Sea and Cake s/t

>>47737683
I like you. No one ever talks about The Sea and Cake. Their s/t is super enjoyable

>>47737312
You don't appear to know what elitism actually is

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At least, it's my favorite

>>47737776
Feel free to remove the word completely from the statement then (it'd still be quite true after-all) if all you have in your favor is a better understanding of vocabulary and grammar.

>>47738295
>Feel free to remove the word completely from the statement then
>the pricks
Which pricks ? Shouldn't there be some sort of adjective dictating which pricks are being discussed in order to justify "the" being used ?

>>47738382
Contextual definition; in this case pricks would be defined as the people putting forth all the effort to blindly hate shit. <3

>>47738427
Damn, you got me

>>47738467
In any case, my intentions are clear.
I dislike but find amusing certain individuals need to hate on people for "liking what I don't like", like it's oh so trendy and edgy to dislike what is popular.

While you're talking about word use.
Now it would be an assumption to say that me using poor word choice is a way of ignoring my actual claim. That's poor logic. I hope youre not doing that.

Either way, I don't know shit about you; maybe you even agree with me !? maybe not. Regardless, have a nice night.

>>47738531
>Now it would be an assumption to say that me using poor word choice is a way of ignoring my actual claim.
Nah the actual claim was pretty spot-on because post-rock is bogged down with countless shitty bands and albums

Have a good one

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spiderland and f#a#infinity are the only two "pure" post-rock albums that i really like. i prefer spiderland

>>47735986
lmao can you get any more fucking retarded? first with the anti-Spiderland now the anti-VU? good lord just go to sleep. not everyone just likes these for their influence, ever think maybe they were just the first and the best in their style? fag

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>>47735421
How the FUCK has no one posted this yet?

>>47738732
It's an EP ya dingus

>>47738750
surely you can make an exception. that EP is better than any post-rock full-length ever released.

but technically speaking, i either give my vote to Ágætis byrjun, Kid A, or Spiderland.

My ratings
1.SFTB/Swans Are Dead
2.Spiderland
3.The For Carnation s/t
4.To Be Kind
5.Metal Box

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What's SFTB stand for?

>>47738966
Salmon for the Birds

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>>47738818
Well, no, because this exists.

>>47739017
No, I actually don't know and google says it's an acronym for Started From The Bottom. pls

>>47738966
sandy fish topographically boil

>>47739093
Soundtracks for the Blind by Swans.

>>47739120
I thought it stood for Songs From the Blackhole by Weezer! I've been listening to the wrong album all along!

>>47739120
How does it feel to be a douchenozzle ?

>>47739192
I thought it stood for Someone Fails the Bait.

>>47739120
thank you kind anon.

>>47739221
It actually wasn't bait, I didn't know and google turned up nothing.

>>47735421
Wow OP, thanks for introducing me to this. I'm definitely going to listen to this album again. I haven't knowingly listened to post-rock before, what aspects of this album make it post-rock?

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How has this not been posted yet?

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Surprised this wasn't even mentioned yet. Cynical yet optimistic, angry but melancholic; it's a chaotically beautiful piece of art.

>>47740900
muh camera shutter sounds

>>47736088
I concur

>>47740752
Because it's shit, as is Spiderland.

Drones, fucking drones.

>>47740556
This is good bait, it's a shame nobody has taken it yet.

>implying post-rock isn´t just classical music for plebs

>>47741693
you haven't heard much post-rock, have you

>>47735421
Ocean Songs

>>47741731
Yest, it´s shit.

>>47741783
honestly dude

what do you want me to do

we both know you're just shitposting

nothing will come of it

>>47741804
I thought you were filtered. Did you change your trip?

>>47741859
go away, shitposter

>>47741869
Not the same guy, but genuine question. I mean you seem alright now but you used to do some serious shitpoting

>>47737428
Why the fuck would you say Kveikur? It's their LEAST post-rockish record, save for perhaps Med Sud. Try ( ) or Agætis Byrjun and you might actually sound like you're slightly intelligent, and not a colossal buffoon.

>>47736088
What the hell is wrong with you. Look, I like Valtari. It's fun, and light-hearted. It's the type of record that's perfect for a breezy summer afternoon, coupled with a glass of wine. It sits contentedly in the background of a contemplative musing of the banal, wishing to be nothing more or less than what it is. It delivers a pleasant finish, as it were, with the final stretches of Fjögur píanó fading into nothing. But hey, it's really no more than a 7/10. It's not extraordinary, and it really isn't held together by any one theme. It's more of a collage of various emotions and moods thrown hastily together in a veritable hodgepodge of uncertainty. So, it doesn't really matter if you "love it," it matters if you consider it the epitome of the genre, and no matter how you look at it, Valtari just isn't that. Ever.

I do like it, though.

>>47741902
The cognitive dissonance necessary to keep up a persona like that is too draining for me to sustain right now

>>47741908
>It's their LEAST post-rockish record
...

>>47741935
oh sweet. It happens to all of us really

>>47741944

Thanks for sharing etc

>>47741952
I'd hope not.

>>47741959
I could be more blunt and call you retarded for using "post-rockish" at all, especially in the context of "more or less".

Post-rock is not a distinctly aesthetically designed genre, making comments like yours totally useless to pretty much everyone

>>47739032
good album for the first 5 or so listens then it gets very repetitive. like a pop album, it has no replayability

>>47735986
So it's the HalfLife 2 of music.

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>>47741986

>>47742000
It's repetitive from play one, you simpleton.
>like a pop album,
It is a pop album.
>it has no replayability
Demonstrably false.

>>47742004
Thanks for sharing etc

>>47742004
Well this is the most boring newtrip ever

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>>47742022
Ah, the old /mu/ trope of the tripfag who has to respond to ever single post in order to feed his artificially over-inflated ego and never-ending quest for the nigh-intangible 'last word.'

Dumbass.

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Post-Metal's cool too right?

>>47735720
yes it is lad krautrock isnt a genre

>>47742062
you're not really worth my timefeel free to have the last word

>>47742079
krautrock is most definitely a genre

>>47742072
No.

>>47742036
Stuff a bottle of Vegemite up your rectum, cunt..

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This one is definitely one of the best.

>>47742092
Why am I not surprised the most boring newtrip ever is Australian

>>47742089
>krautrock is most definitely a genre
lol ok define it

He has left us alone?

>>47742119
You're the one with the assbackwards toilet swirls.

>>47740900
please stop describing things

>>47742022
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't retarded or autistic but everyone knows what is meant by "repetitive". trying to argue semantics with me isn't going to help you.

too many of their songs don't have enough progression like that last song which goes on and on but never really goes anywhere. it had so much potential to be a good song as well.

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:')

>>47742164
Holy shit, you make me want to pee myself. That was fucking terrible.

>>47742177
rude :'(

>>47742182
Did you see my suggestion above involving Vegemite? Yeah, you can follow that same suggestion, shithead.

>>47735920
But being slightly ahead of it's time is all Spiderland has going for it

>>47742120
I don't need to, all there needs to be is mutual intelligibility with the term

which there is

>>47742160
>but everyone knows what is meant by "repetitive"
Not really, if you listen to a repetitive album five times it's going to still sound repetitive. Shocker, I know.
> trying to argue semantics with me isn't going to help you.
You likely don't actually know what you're saying and are just parroting others who have failed to argue their points to me in the past, but I'll humor you.
When you misuse language you misrepresent reality ; why would I respond traditionally to something which does not reflect the reality of a situation ?

>too many of their songs don't have enough progression
Missing the point again, as you were when you first tried to bring up repetition. "Enough" progression will always be relative to the piece and the context of the piece. "Progression" is also a very shaky term to use, as it could refer to the manipulation of the sounds and their sequences, the composition, anything.

>that last song which goes on and on but never really goes anywhere.
I suspected that you weren't actually listening to the music with any real focus, and this pretty much confirmed that, so thanks I guess.

>>47742241
mutual intelligibility makes it a real word not a real genre

if you cant define the genre it is not a genre this is pretty fucking simple

>>47742252
>mutual intelligibility makes it a real word not a real genre
...and what makes something a TRU- erm, "real" genre ?
>if you cant define the genre it is not a genre
because you say so, right ?

>>47742287
are you mentally retarded

how the fuck is krautrock a genre

krautrock means "music made in germany in the 70s that fits in to electronic (one of the most poorly defined genres in music) and rock (one of the largest genres in music)"

genres dont get defined by time and place they get defined by sound and style you fucking idiot

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Every other answer is wrong

>>47740752
i would have, but too lazy

>>47742298
>genres dont get defined by time and place they get defined by sound and style you fucking idiot
This exact same discussion happened a while back, and you morons lost it then, so I'm just going to save myself the trouble of re-treading it and call you retarded while posting this link
https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/S27986906#p27988444

>genres dont get defined by time and place they get defined by sound and style you fucking idiot
you are literally autistic

>>47742433
>genre just means category
no its a type of category

if i say "russian literature" im not referring to a genre of writing because russian literature covers hundreds of genres im referring to a ground of people in a certain place at a certain time (A SCENE)

>>47742474
just let it go

>>47742433
that argument is terrible
>as long as theres mutual intelligibility its a genre
>no no your mutual definition of genre doesnt count my OBJECTIVE DEFINITION is what matters!!!

>>47742474
What genre is Loveless?

>>47742586
don't make the autist come back

>>47742586
loveless is shoegaze which is a genre with clear stylistic quirks such as using the voice of the singer for aesthetic quality instead of for delivery of words and using a lot of distortion to obscure melody

>>47736586
the butthurt is strong w/ this one. do us a favor and put a bullet in ur head. cheers fuckhead

>>47742241
no shit, if I find it repetitive on the 10th listen thens its still going to sound repetitive on the 11th. the album is fundamentally repetitive. so many ideas are just reused on each song and the songs just meander along then end without any sense of conclusion. I actually loved that album on my first listen but I guess the very best albums -- especially my favourites -- are not instant likes. In addition I think they album, even the band, relies on too many cliches in the genre. whether there is a well-defined understanding of what post-rock is is irrelevant here, point is the band isn't all that much different from other third wave post rock bands like EITS. I've actually yet to hear a third wave album that i actually and that is not because i'm dismissive of them

>>47742606
Nah, m8. Shoegazing was a scene, just like krautrock. If you're going to call shoegaze a genre then you should at least admit krautrock is too

>>47742627
something can be a scene and a genre (another example of this is ukg)

krautrock has no distinct style but shoegaze does

>>47742626
>so many ideas are just reused on each song
[the point]

>relies on too many cliches in the genre
>other third wave
If you weren't so damned ignorant you'd know that DMST were one of the second-wave bands who systematized the "post-rock sound" that the third wave tries to emulate, thus creating what you perceive to be them "relying on cliches".

As it is, you're digging yourself a deeper ethos-hole with every post you make.

[your fucking faggot-ass head]

>>47742649
>Psych rock mixed with prog and noise
>Not a distinct style

>>47740752
agreed

>>47742689
except krautrock contains a lot of other stuff

kraftwerk falls under it

>>47742689
Tangerine Dream
you're approaching the problem the wrong way. he's looking for something aesthetically defined, which not all genres are. such as krautrock.

>>47742649
>Shoegaze does

Not really, especially in comparison to krautrock.

>>47742606
>using the voice of the singer for aesthetic quality instead of for delivery of words and using a lot of distortion to obscure melody

That describes a large chunk of neo-psychedelia.

And black metal.

>>47742730
but black metal and neo psychedelia have their own definitions, obviously theres a lot of crossover between any two genres

the difference between krautrock and shoegaze is that you can hear any shoegaze song and know its shoegaze but the only krautrock songs that sound like krautrock are faust and can style stuff which is a tiny fraction of krautrock

am I gonna have to wait 45 minutes watching spergs poorly argue until that fuckstick responds again

>>47742750
>You can hear any shoegaze song and know its shoegaze

I didn't know Ride and Slowdive were shoegaze till I came here.

It's just a scene of neo-psych with its own twists, just krautrock was its own scene of psych rock with its own twists.

>>47742680
the point is that you can't give my one good reason why this album should be deserving of the title "best post-rock album" other than making short snidey, edgy comments like "[the point]" to discredit my argument. even if they did influence the third wave, i think EITS emulated and even surpassed DMST.

if you are going to post an album that isn't often regarded as a "good" post-rock album then you better back it up with something good. I can see why other albums are worthy of being considered best but here i just don't see it.

>>47742769
im not sitting at my computer constantly waiting for anyone to respond to me. if you think i take ~45 minutes thinking for something to say then you must be the "sperg" for being so riled up that you wait intently to respond with some generic /mu/ comment then proceed to make a generic insult. you really are the epitome of another throwaway trip that pops up everyone once in a while

>>47743167
woah buddy, but a halt to that neg, bro.

can't we all just agree the obvious answer to the best post rock album is Rocky Point Dr E, Tampa, FL

>>47740752
It's this honestly, accept it and move on

>>47743278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntAMPyaCcv8

probably EfHashtagEiHastagInfinite

Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven

>>47742072
but this is the best post-metal album then

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>>47744367
>every time the drum tempo change hits in Sleep

It's like I've been waiting to hear this my whole entire life.

>>47744592
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

>>47735421
This is actually Dust Lane by Yann Tiersen

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Obviously this

Wow a thread with actual music discussion. mu has hope

>>47745093
if shitposting and imagedumping constitutes discussion I really would find it difficult to see /mu/'s situation as hopeful

>>47745093
lol the only ones who made good points about music itt is like friendo and gene

everyone else is just purely posting one of the 10 post rock albums they've heard in their life

>tfw there will never be any more post rock threads with Yui.

>>47744861
if i liked the bass groove on Djed but was really meh about the rest, what post rock should i try next?

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>>47745223
i cry evrytim

>>47740900
i really only like the opening moments of the first song. i've got the 2nd song and turned it off. :(

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>>47735720

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it's pic related

>>47735421
>>47742105
>>47742314
close

>>47736088
>>47737285
>>47740752
>>47744861
not really, still great though

>>47737428
>>47742164
actively shitty

>>47745310
ur shitty

>>47745310
what do you like so much about this album?

>>47745310
>bark psychosis is better than talk talk

embarrassing

>>47735941
8/10 but not post-rock though
>>47735421
Come on that album is hardly an 8
>>47736311
yup
>>47736412
Godspeed are an okay-tier post-rock band, dude. How can F#A be their best when there's tons of better albums from the first wave?

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Move over guys