Drawfag Improvement Thread

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Challenge #8: Throwback Thursday

= BEFORE AND AFTER =

The challenge is easy! Pick one of your very first pony drawings and redraw it. There are no rules other than you should post the before and after together. I have posted my own so you may see how horrible my shit was 6 years ago and make fun of it.

*A note about past challenges: None of the challenges ever end. You may do them and redo them in any order and however many times you want. Just because I put up new challenges that doesn't mean you can't do past ones!

I hope you guys enjoy these and hope that they help you improve and have fun doing it!

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Can someone give me a critique about this?

>>29967297

symbol drawing
but its not a totally fucked doodle, I can see genuine effort

>>29967321
Did you just reply to yourself?

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>>29967297
I snuck over here from the improvement thread. Hope you don't mind I redlined it for you

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>>29967321
>symbol drawing
Thanks for the reminder! I have to keep working on that.

>>29967349
One day I will find you and invite you to a coffee, beer or hot chocolate!
Thank you!

The frontlegs really gave me trouble and now I see a lot of stuff that I didn't see previously.
Time to analyze my mistakes, improve and fix stuff.

>>29967475
Haha, sounds good! I thought this was in the /r/ thread for some reason so I didn't bother taking a lot of time on it, so if you want something better I can do that tomorrow

>>29967485
This will do for now.

When I am done and have a new version, may I pick you up on the offer if it is not to much trouble for you?

>>29967521
Of course you may. I don't call myself redliner for nothin! As long as it's in this thread I'll see it.

Anything helpful here about landscaping?

What the heck is rendering? I hear that term a lot, but isn't it just saving the image?

>>29968332
Rendering: The process of adding form, color, light, shadow and texture to an image. If you take a line drawing and you add color to it, shade it, make it feel like it has mass, form, depth to it, that's rendering.

does anyone else have this thing while working on a large file with tons of layers and paths, where every time you save it takes literally minutes to save? am i the only one? seems to happen on every computer I use, is buying an SSD the only solution?

>>29968332
>>29968343
No, that's blocking-in. Rendering is refining from the block-in, making smooth surfaces smoother and making the textures read better.

>>29968579
Isn't blocking in more or less just very rough rendering?

>>29968064
What kind of envyronment are you thinking about?
If you're going for realism then I would recommend you to watch some of Noah Bradley's videos, but as a general rule, you should try to focus on imitating real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG3hPBMv_Sk

>>29968579
Isn't that exactly what >>29968343 was talking about?

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>>29968643
>>29968697
Blocking-in is a step on it's own. You can get color, value, and texture (whether it's surface is diffused or spectacular) without adding in too much detail. The process is generally lose, but with things placed right so that when you go over with a render, you don't have to think about things that much. If things are added afterwards it's very minute stuff.

Picrelated is more or less block-in. It's a very old unfinished collab I was doing with someone else. We only got a little bit past block-in stage.

>>29968064
I think this is worth watching. I know it's literally an hour and a half long but you could just skip around http://motionographer.com/2017/04/26/step-by-step-my-moon/
>>29968533
Use less layers, combine layers, get rid of layers you don't need, us ea smaller canvas, turn of every other program

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>tfw you know exactly what foreshortening is but your brain refuses to process it correctly
>tfw the zig-zag legs make it even worse
>tfw can't seem to find a right place for the head
>tfw it's a fucking turtle
>tfw you also procrastinated for several days because that's just what you do you fucking moron

drawing sux

>>29969369
I think you're putting too much thought into it. At some point you have to just stop and let the thing go and learn from your mistakes. I can redline it if you want in about 30

>>29969387
Sure, I'll accept all the help I get.

You can take all the time in the world though, I'm going to sleep now.

>>29969541
Alrighty roonie neighboroonie

>>29969369
Forgive me, but this is a pony, correct?

>>29970013
You know I haven't ever tought I can learn about wings from a fucking chicken wings? Why am I so stupid...

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>>29970135
Wings are wings. Also I think bat wings are also important to study since you can see what's under the feathers. I've meant to make a full on wing tutorial but I haven't had time to do so

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>>29966165

>>29971552
congratulations, you now have a sliver less shitty copy of a vector from the show

meanwhile, the rest of us can only wonder if you can draw anything on your own

>>29971552
draw a different pose, angle, anything for christs sake

>>29969367
not really an option to combine layers or get rid of paths, other programs are not actively writing to disk so i dont see how that would help. It only seems to happen when I'm working on a 4k image. downsizing to 1440p seems to help.

>>29971987
Have you considered your disc being slow?

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>>29972039
on every machine?

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heres an example of something that takes like 80sec to save

>>29971987
Can I see what kind of art you're doing where you need enough layers to slow down your computer?
>>29972160
Holy shit. If I were drawing that I'd have 5 layers, maybe 6 tops. I can tell you with 100% certainty that you can cut down on your layers by a lot if you try.

>>29972160
why the christ is this more than 3 or 4 layers

>>29972324
I use paths and fill them, because my hands shake. it looks fucked up if you fill a path and its not on its own layer, at least when its intersecting another part thats filled

>>29972332
Then use a stabilizer. This is insanity.

>>29972346
almost no amount of erasing and brushing can get me the same quality of line that a path can. The only way around this would be to have perfectly steady hands and be 16 again. You got a time machine?

>>29968533
>>29972358
Why can't you just combine the lines when you're done with that area? Like combine all the lines making the tail into one layer for example? inb4 excuses

>>29972418
ok ill try this

>>29972450
Good! Let us know how it goes

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I tried a closed mouth this time.

>>29972606
Maybe you should try closing your monitor while you're at it

>>29972623
Sick burn, except monitors don't close.

>>29968756
Know anything about pairing colors together and color theory? (is that a valid term?)

>>29972458
yes yes it saves much faster thank you

>>29972757
Not to be rude, but you really didn't think of doing this before I suggested it?

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>>29972799
i didnt think the layers would be the issue, i thought maybe its the paths and the layers but i guess having lots of layers was it after all

>>29972853
Sometimes I know what I'm talking about, haha.I'm glad your computer's running smoother now!

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>>29972606
You're not learning anything by repeating the same shit over and over again. The lack of progress/willingness to move on gives the impression that you are either that naive or that you actually don't care.

>>29969705
It should be.

>>29972730
Color and anatomy are my two strengths. Color theory itself, and the way it's taught in schools is a pretty big meme. If you're looking to go deeper into it, throw out the color wheel meme and everything you were told in grade school or high school, read and study how light actually works, and use your own intuition to make decisions based on what you've learned.

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>>29972948
Eh, don't bother with him. Your Owluicius (fuck how do you spell that) looks great but your Twi needs some help. I see you went for a partially realistic style but keeping her front legs and particularly her hooves cartoonish they come out as clubbed and take away from the rest of the drawing which is quite good. I'd also make her muzzle smaller/less wide so she looks more feminine. I ended up just doing a redline nobody asked for, so I hope you don't mind that.
>>29972967
Sorry, the shape of the head was just confusing. I'll finish the redlines on it now.

>>29973161
Also I know the front legs I drew aren't anatomically correct, I just wanted to get the idea across

>>29973161
No one should be conscious of giving their own points on someone else's work considering where we are.

Thanks for the crit.

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I'm I getting any better? Oh and that red thing is a party hat I failed misserably at the party hat.

>>29973181
I know, but sometimes I feel like I'm overbearing with my corrections D:

>>29972967
>>29973161
It's okay, you don't need excuses to tell me that I suck

>>29973377
>It's okay, you don't need excuses to tell me that I suck
>Your Owluicius (fuck how do you spell that) looks great
> the rest of the drawing which is quite good

>>29973417
I specifically added my previous post to signify that I'm the second person in your reply

I should've greened I guess

>>29973845
Sorry, sometimes it's hard to convey shit across text/image only formats

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Hey everyone! Looking for a critique!

I drew up this pone a few days ago, and I know there's something very wrong with it! While I wasn't going for show-accurate, I know there's stuff I need to work on. Before I say what I noticed, I'd like to hear some critiques!
Please help me art friends!

>>29974564
Welll
you need to forget the following ideas:
- "pony shoulder = human shoulder"
- "pony breast = dog breast"
- "pony thigh = ball"

Also consider the following:
- show style of ponies has very wide triangular ears and I'm going to bitch about this because other than the furnishings, your pony is very show-style (proportion and shape)
- the tail bone is the final segment of the spine and does not jut out of the croup
- remember to treat hindlegs as tubes, the same way you do for forelegs

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>>29974711
Ah excellent! Thank you for the critique!

This particular pony was a little weird because the way the original artist drew her was decidedly more human like, and I wanted to try and capture a little of that! Especially the furry chest, that was the artist's thing for her.
I've been studying horse anatomy a little, and the shoulders are a little tricky. Still getting the hang of it. Haven't drawn ponies like this in awhile. Very rusty!
Here's a different drawing I did for her. Ignore the pencil sketches, they were just experimentation!

Are those same problems present here, or was I more accurate on my second attempt?

Thank you again for the advice!

>>29974790
>name and trip fagging
>all these exclamation points
faggot

>>29975858
He's attenshionwhore from the other thread and yeah he's disgusting.

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>>29974790
Your anatomy needs some help. You're not terrible, but you made a few mistakes that wouldn't have happened if you had a better anatomy sketch before you inked it. <--- sorry for grammar, sleepy
>>29976045
Eh, everyone gets a chance here, imo

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>>29977468
Thank you for the guidance Redliner!

I agree, my anatomy sketches could use improvement; horse legs especially confuse me.
This will be a great help, I'll come back after using this as a reference.

Thanks again!

>>29977845
Hey, anytime! If you need help with horse legs, here are some tutorials from the pony tutorial gallery in the OP: http://imgur.com/a/m7zQ2
Specifically:
http://i.imgur.com/ls5EqFE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5PK2mhp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9vMkfQV.png

>>29977880
I've been looking at those!
I think I just need to practice them more so I can wrap my brain around it better. The lines you made will really help me self-critique.
Also thanks for editing the pencil sketches too, that'll help down the road!

>>29977932
The tutorials work for real. You're welcome and feel free to post more

>>29971090

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How do I into line consistency and weight?
Even doing single strokes I sometimes feel the need to correct it and I think it causes more problem than before.
The eyes for example are fucked up more than in one way but I can't really do it in a single stroke yet and lines get uneven no matter what I do.

Feel free to point out everything else as well, just starting out so I'd appreciate it.

>>29980148

Do some figure drawing, theres are no horse figure drawing sites but here is a human one

reference.sketchdaily.net

This will help you to draw fast and notice things faster, lines dont have to fit exactly where they belong at the first stroke but need to capture the idea of a pose
for line weight you just a need a good brush
for line consistency do some hand exercises

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>>29974790
No offense intended you can draw alot better than me but the face all the way to the left reminds me of the happy mask sales man.

Does anyone know of any good tutorials or other advise for shading?

>>29980618
Thank you!
>no horse figure drawing sites
That's a shame.

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https://i.imgur.com/SWBtqhs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HZsuOuW.jpg

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>>29980985
No offense taken! I was trying to go for a bit of a manic face there, so it was more like a compliment if anything!

Now I want to play through Majora's mask again.

>>29981028
Some of the best advice to learn early, in my opinion, is pic. Contrast is super important for shading.
I hope this helps!

>>29981942

>its a different pose

Jesus, Afh, you're actually on your way to being a decent artist. More of that. More poses. More different poses, and you will see that you don't need all those guidelines since you know the anatomy so well. Get dynamic and have some fun with it.

>>29982022
Quit talking to yourself, fucknut.

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>>29969369
>tfw your attempt was so bad even redliner gave up on it

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>>29982494
I didn't give up on it, I just didn't finish it and forgot because I've had a migraine for the last 2 days and can hardly function. I don't like to get personal about this stuff in the thread but sometimes I have to remind you guys I'm only human and there's only one of me. Here's as far as I got though and maybe someone else can pick it up.

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How can I fix my proportions?

>>29982584
Oh, nevermind then, I thought you just moved on to other pics.
This helps, even though it's even more antro now.
Saved for future reference.

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>>29969369
>>29982584
I gave it a go myself. Arm isn't too long if you were trying to go for a foreshortening thing. The lines you used are kind of jarring, but you look like you know your perspective and how it works. Take advantage of that and try thinking in boxes instead of lines.

>>29982968
Okay, thanks. I'll try putting my cylinders in a box.
And the lines all go from a single point way over to the left.

>>29983037
Cylinders are just boxes without corners.

>>29983037
>>29983462
Yes. Put everything in box to start off. That's the secret to drawing from imagination and building spatial sense. Everything is boxes.

>>29982008
Thanks. That is a useful pic.

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>>29973187

>>29985707
It's an improvement but you still have a ways to go.

There are three things I would focus on for now, if I were you:
>Construction
While it looks like you're starting to do a little more of this since the previous drawing, it seems that you're breaking it up into pieces too large. For example, the torso appears to be made out of a single oval, where you should be using at least two, with one for the ribcage and one for the hips.
>Line Control
Try to work on making each line with a single, broad stroke when possible, and try to work more with the elbow and shoulder instead of the fingers and wrist. With practice it should wind up looking far less shaky and "hairy" than what you have now.
>Gesture
Right now the pose is fairly stiff and boring. I would recommend doing a little research into gesture drawing tutorials as well as learning what a line of action is and incorporating it into your drawings. You'll find that even a neutral pose like that one can look a lot more interesting if it's drawn with a line of action in mind.

is shading even necessary on a pone pic? i mean all the pone in the show are fullbright, yet all the highest rated pics have like bob ross quality shading or are those creepy gmod anthro 3d models

>>29986098
Thanks. I'm not the same person that drew the original, but this was my first time drawing a pony. I'm still getting used to my drawing tablet, so the shaky lines were more out of frustration than anything. I'll definitely keep your advice in mind, it'll help a lot.

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so how do i do better?

>>29986527
No problem, glad I could help

>>29986419
That's up to you

>>29986563
I'll give it to you straight, there's not much in your drawing that looks like a pony. You don't know what a pony looks like, so look at ponies to get an idea. Compare your drawing to a screenshot or whatever. Also you don't know how a bicycle looks like. Few people do. (If you think you know, draw one from memory no cheating.) To git gud you need to accept the fact that you barely know what anything looks like. That's the first step.

>>29986563
Serious question, did you reference the comic's ponies by Jay Fosgitt?

>>29986563
its the catpone guy :0

>>29986419
Shading is never necessary. But done right it sure does take even a simple draw to another level altogether.

Shading show-style or similar is really tricky though. The figures are super simplified and unshaded for production purposes and most non-show stuff keeps the same aesthetic so apart from good quality figurines there's nothing to really reference from.

And god help you if your style is more realistic. Simple shading like a figurine won't cut it, it'll make the figure look artificial. You need more realism for the shading as well, and that's when it gets complicated, juggling a balance between RL horse complexity and showstyle simplicity.

>>29986642
If he referenced anything it was a Neopet.

>>29986599
what? how does that not look like a pone?

>>29986678
omg i never thought of that it does like neopet like!

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>>29982008
Thanks for this. Really helpful. Not sure how I'm going to apply it, but makes sense with some things. Don't think I got it down with the pony head.

>>29986648
who raggimuffin? nope not that person...

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>>29985293
You're very welcome!

>>29986770
No problem, but don't be afraid to go even darker on some of those deeper spots! Push it to its limit and you'll be surprised by how much depth you can achieve.

I attached another pic that helps explain it for color a little. Rendering is difficult, so be patient with yourself!

>>29986816
I've tried doing rendering with color and it is super fucking difficult. It is easier to see in greyscale.

>>29986828
A lot of artist render in greyscale before applying color, so you are certainly not alone!

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here is a colored version of her hows this one look?

>>29986887
all of the previous problems apply

>>29986896
well if she doesn't look pone what does she look like?

>>29986563
She doesn't appear to have any organs. Also she has hooves like a G3.5 pony

>>29986906
a mutant

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>>29986906
Like someone took >pickrelated, wrung out its torso to a consistency of wet noodles, and stretched out its limbs.

>>29986927
yeah i love big hooves....i find it cute. i do agree shes a little thin but thats the fun of cartoons just look at miss bellum from powerpuff girls.

>>29986950
focus on getting correct anatomy before you focus on >muh style

>>29986950
you're not at the point you should be making stylistic decisions like that. Like >>29986965
said, you need to learn how anatomy works before you can break the rules of it.

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>>29986950
hey if you ever looked at some ponies or RL horses maybe you'd have noticed that they have big round torsos

destroying important hallmark features isn't what cartoon means

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>>29986983
>>29986965
fine what about this one?

>>29987010
i know about their barrel bodies but that's very unattractive to me

>>29987013
Same problem. "Hourglass" figures don't work the way you think they do, and it's going to look bad until you either stop trying to do it or figure out how to do it correctly.

>>29987013
hooves are enormous, huge ball chest instead of horse torso, face and ears are nothing like a pony's

>>29987041
well how would you do an hourglass figure witha pone?

>>29987040
>>29987119
If pony belly turns you off that hard then wtf are you even drawing ponies? Go doodle snakes or stick men or whatever.

>>29987119
Simply put, I wouldn't, as it just doesn't work that well on a quadruped. That said, if you really insist on doing so you need to make it MUCH subtler. Look at real women for reference if you need to, you'll notice that "hourglass" is not nearly as concave as in cartoons

>>29986770
You need to work on following the forms with your brush strokes. The left render has lines that are fighting the natural flow of the form you're implying.

>>29987370
I see that now, thanks.

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>>29987119
starvation and a gut full of worms

>>29987427
sage

buop

>>29989857
you're not improving at all. do something fucking different, color something, shade something, do ANYTHING

>>29990008
He might be getting worse, holy shit.

>>29990008
THIS.

I'm fucking tired of seeing your shit. You clearly haven't listened to anyone's advice, and I think you only know how to draw three poses on your own. Stepping out of your comfort zone is the only way to get better. Right now, you're just shitting up the thread.

At least you're not tracing vectors anymore, although this still looks a little too close to a common show pose for comfort, guide lines be damned. If you're still tracing then you need to unironically hang yourself.

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Hi anons. I struggled to have this horse lay on her belly while having the back hooves make sense, so I improvised and had her back legs lifting her torso and butt off the ground.

If anyone could give me a redline on properly having her lay on her stomach while not making the back legs look too broken, I would really appreciate it.

>>29990485
Let me see what I can do

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>>29990485
How's this?

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RHorse, myself, and a few people from the Improvement Discord chat put this together on Do's and Dont's of Giving and Receiving Critique. We hope this helps everyone here!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JxAz0XH4FL-GnbFUqSQzx04h90h9kerblEKGAaG22Zs/edit?usp=sharing

>>29990717
>Don’t be a dick about it.
Is this 4chan?

>>29990775
Let's make 4chan a better place

>>29990775
>>29990991
Being a dick for no reason is just being edgy. Save it for newfags that don't lurk, newfags that want to be handheld, and muhstyle fags.

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>>29990717
>google docs instead of copypasta
>tripfagging
>"don't be a dick"
holy shit please fuck off to leddit and don't come back

>>29991563
It's probably Afh. He's the only one here that's retarded enough to think that could possibly be a good idea

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i wanted to try to use the tablet this time

>>29991954
I like it but that background is all weird

>>29991958
its a de_dust style building

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k here i fixed it up some

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>>29992012
approved

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>>29992012
There we go

>>29993026
yare yare daze

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>>29992012
She's missing her jawline

>>29990600
I see why it works. Currently mobilefag so can't give ling response, but I'll tell you later what I learned from this redline. Thanks bud!

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>>29993405
thanks redline. I feel like i'm cheating :0

I request your help once again. pic related.

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wait dont use that use this one, i improved it a bit based on your last one.

Will I get some support here if I ask for help with no pony character? I am trying to sketch a crossover pic but the main point will not be a pony.

>>29995192
probably

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>>29994867
>>29994679
I liquified the face to the right spot because I didn't feel like drawing it. The mouth should be connected to the face, though
>>29995192
Yes but the amount of help depends on what it is.

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>>29986563
Ponies' backs are not sloped, they have bumps and curves

which is how you get the hourglass shape


ears, feet, and tail -way- too big for the pony, eyes are too down the face of the pony

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>>29996160
I thought going beyond ponis might be an idea and I tried Dota character. Some pony knowledge aplies to him. It only let me see that I still know shit and all I've done with him was trial and error. I am happy with result tho. I still cannot believe how did I menage to do hands... I want him to hold nightmared (traped with use of his ability) Luna in front of him. Dota players will get it.
If possible I can use some advice.

>>29997116
perspective on the face is kind of weird. That line with the diamond tip doesn't look centered, and it looks like you're trying to draw the teeth on the other side of his face, when it should be hidden

>>29997176
I felt like head is wierd. Now I know for sure it is. I'll try to fix suff when I get up. Thanks.
Also don't you think right normal hand isn't too big?

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>>29997349
ok great you've got basic anatomy down, now shade/color something or gtfo and stop posting

>>29997408
Cross-hatching doesn't give many options for shading, and I don't have colored pencils. Should I try something electronically?

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>>29997515
>Cross-hatching doesn't give many options for shading
what? google cross hatching and you'll find countless examples of shading done in cross hatching
>I don't have colored pencils
buy some prismacolors or copic markers, or do something digital if you want

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>>29990600
Alrighty, so I'm looking at this again, and what makes sense is the positioning of her flanks, and how they are bent backwards to facilitate that laying pose rather than just straight down as if she was standing. That'll be helpful for other laying down poses I make in the future. Thanks guy.

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>>29997515
>Cross-hatching doesn't give many options for shading

There's so much you can do with just regular lines it's ridiculous.

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>>29966526

I finished the challenge only to get a feel for how far I've come, but it made me realize how much I need to do more than anything.

Is there a quick and dirty guide on how to do good throwaway backdrops because I am still really shitty at those after five years.

Lads, what's the difference between style and mistakes?

>>29997767
that's pinkamena

>>29997786
Style comes from understanding objective quality, and adjusting it to your personal tastes.

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>>29997767
throwaway backdrops from what i'm understanding it as should be simple, yet convey the theme/style of the actual image itself

herny was pretty good at this:
>pic related
>https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2016/6/25/1186293.png
>https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2016/1/5/1060123.jpeg

>>29997786
>style and mistakes

Style can be a lot of things. Usually the look, feel, and how something is rendered is what makes a style stand out. An artists consistent tendencies can be another. But you can have bad tendencies; broken anatomy, or just the overall use of bad shapes. You can have a style be unappealing and ugly. Of course its all subjective. If you have too many people tell you that you're style is "ugly" then its honestly a good time to reflect on what you're missing and what you need to study to make it better.

https://www.derpibooru.org/tags/artist-colon-ringteam

^a good example of an "ugly" style. It comes off as a 13 year old who just wants an excuse to draw boobs. Everything they draw is just very unappealing to look at.

Like >>29997824 said. Let "style" come from a place of good taste, knowledge, and experience. Show some competency and you can make your art stand out even further than with just gimmicks (IE M-muh style).

>>29997767
>Is there a quick and dirty guide on how to do good throwaway backdrops
>quick

No. Study some graphic design if you want some ideas on how to make effective backdrops. You can make your center piece stand out with contrasting shapes, tangents, and colors. If it's coming from a place of little knowledge then your backdrops are going to be a complete eyesore and ruin the drawing.

https://youtu.be/2vnFdYksnqo
https://youtu.be/RJIWllIMHsg

ESPECIALLY watch the video on tangents. Once you know what a bad tangent is you can start avoiding them in your art immediately.

>>29997793
You never read Crisis Equestria? You're not wrong. That is Pinkamena, but also not. Red Velvet is her own self borne of Pinkie`s DNA.

>>29998058
how well did that fic age? is the main antagonist cringy/edgy as i remember?

>>29998058
Oh

Is this thread dying?
I might as well start trying to draw something to bump this shit.

I'm tempted to just go full anthro with my drawings, at least until I get more experience.
I'm struggling too much at every little sketch.
Human anatomy seems to be easier to understand for me, but I don't want to go anywhere near hands, fuck those things. At least for now.

Would I still be allowed to hang around here?

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>>30000454
>Wanting to draw anthro on /mlp/
That is not going to be a very popular choice, Anon.
>drawing anthro without even attempting hands
You might be missing the point here.

Also if you are struggling that is a good thing, you can only get better through struggle. I would say don't quit on drawing cartoon horses just yet. See if you can push through it.

>>29997920
>Style comes from good taste, knowledge, and experience.
>Video on tangents.
Underrated post. Drawing skills mean very little if you don't have good design.
Get solid foundations through study and effort, then use that to develop an appealing art style of your own.

If you're looking to develop your own style which you shouldn't be unless you have really gotten your fundamentals down pat then study the styles of artists you like that capture the aesthetic you're going for. Find out what makes it tick and use that knowledge to fuel your own designs.

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>>30000569
I guess you're right.

Welp, more horses then.
Thinking hard about drawing ultimatelly leads to me not doing anything at all so I tried to loosely scribble a thing.
Everything is broken but et least I'm not sitting and looking and the blank page, right guys?

I'm gonna go back to sticks and circles now

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>>30000693
Wait wait
Now that it's too late (as always) I realized the body should'we bend a bit
That's why I couldn't figure out the neck

I think I'm doing well

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this was done earlier today

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i think i fucked up the anatomy, can i get a redline?

>>30001491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4QYvXpaXlY

I had a shitty day yesterday so if I missed anyone that wanted help, reply to this post and I'll get to it
>>30000693
While I appreciate you branching out to do exciting, animated poses, I think you should start off doing human action gestures. Make sure you know what gesture drawing is though before you start. I guarantee it'll help your pony drawing.
>>30001491
I'll do my best not to redraw the whole thing

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>>30001491

>>30002736
I made her head bigger with the transform tool rather than redlining it ,btw

>>30002736
>>30002743
thanks senpai i'll work on my joints and proportions n shit

>>29997786
style is a system of intentional, justified, consistent, balanced, and logical deviations from realism and 'canon'

compare drawing to walking: style is a dance, mistakes are stumbling

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does anyone know how to paint hair

>>29997760
Oh, I thought you meant something different. Thanks, I'll give that a try. I've cut the tip of my finger, so my lines might be a bit awkward today.

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>>30004472
I tried some basic shading on this one.

>>30005446
I can't believe for once you actually did something else.

Neat attempt, but there are plenty of issues. I see you drew a little sun, indicating you aren't a complete foreigner to the idea of a source of light, but it seems you still don't get where the light is supposed to hit. Look at how the forelegs and right arm showcase the light is coming from the bottom left, while the arm shows it's coming from the upper left, etc. The rather subtle way you drew the shading also makes it seem as if though the light source was extremely near Twiggy.

tl;dr go look into how lighting actually works in real life, and get a better sense of where the light really is coming and hitting the object.

Also, I've noticed your eyes still look extremely weird, almost as if they were stickers with no depth. Remember eyes are intended to be an object of their own, just like the head.

Not ded yet

>>30010631
Looks kinda lewd, but helpful.

>>29973161
While I agree with the fix of the the hair I don't think the alternative proportions for the mouth an will really fit with the rest of the drawing. I also think the more realistic hooves you made would probably benefit from having an increase in their width.

>>30004403
You can bet, here are some things to have in mind while drawing it.
http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.mx/2008/04/hair-ribbon-secret.html
http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.mx/2008/04/hair-string-mop.html

There are two things I would recomend you, use a bigger brush and make longer strokes that flow with the direction of the hair, think of it as a single mass first and only when that looks ok to you you should then start adding texture,

>>30006160
I'm not sure what you mean; the forelegs and the arms are the same things.

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>>30011284
Shit.
I meant to say,
>the hindlegs and right forearm showcase the light is coming from the bottom left, while the left forearm shows it's coming from the upper left

Apologies, I went full retard with that.

bum

How the fuck do you do clean lineart? Mine always comes out shaky and abnormal looking? Is there something I'm forgetting?

>>30013194
Doing it over and over again until you get used to it.

>>30013194
sketch light, when you find the lines you like make them bolder, erase gently to remove the light lines, go over bold lines to bring them back to full darkness

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I finnaly felt confident enough to try and draw my 4 month old idea. Can I go farword with it? Does it look ok? It's not exactly what I had in mind but what I had was beyond me ;_;

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So i'm not sure if that's the right place to ask, but whatever. How do I stop my hand from shaking so much? I dropped drawing because of that few months ago but I'd really want to get back into it, so I picked up the pencil and tried to do my routine warm up of drawing circles, only to find out that my hand still shakes too much. it's infuriating. just to clarify, the problem wasn't always there, it started maybe half a year ago. Am I just making excuses and it will go away once I get better at controlling my hand movements?

>>30014346
If your hand and arm are relaxed but you still got shaky hands, the culprit is probably stress hormones, whether from sleep deprivation, excess caffeine, anxiety, stress, medication side effects or whatever. It could even be anxiety over your shaky hands, I should know.

If some light exercise, rubbing + stretching your arm/hand/shoulders/neck, and counter-stress measures don't help, visit your GP.

>>30014346
>>30014424
Or, a more common culprit, you're mentally blocking yourself from it. Does more or less shaking happen when you sit down to draw as compared to, say playing video games or whatever activity you do to relax in the day? It's not something that's always there too, it's a bad habit you picked up because you forgot how to relax and have fun drawing. It's also a thing that can deter you from even sitting down to draw which looks like the case here, having stopped for a period of months.

Drawing should be meditative, Anon. Fix your posture and learn to control your breathing while drawing. The more result oriented you are before you even start will only mentally block yourself further and you'll freeze up again. Another way to kick this bad habit, is to draw what you like while slowly applying what you learn. You should be doing that nearly 100% of the time starting off anyways.

>>30014424
>>30015023
Wow, thanks for in depth responses. I'll try to massage my arm before starting and take a more relaxed approach.

Weird, i though Lestrange was here.

beep

>>30015023
>>control your breathing while drawing

Neat I thought I was the only one who did that.

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Learning how to draw attempt 2. Any form of critique is appreciated.

>>30017703
Your lines are shaky, the tail doesn't have any volume, the front left hoof is higher off the ground than the rear left hoof, and the back right hoof is higher off the ground than the front right hoof. The ear is off, too; it needs to come off the head at a defined point instead of being integrated into the lines for the back of the head and the mane. It's also a little too thin. The part of the head just above the muzzle is too sharply curved, it shouldn't start at less than a right angle from the top of the muzzle. You're also missing nostrils, and the chest seems a little too flat to me. Overall, solid foundations but you just have a little bit farther to go. Apologies for nitpicking.

>>30017764
Thank you, and really there's no need to apologize, I didn't realize more than half of those until you brought it up.

>>30017903
They're fairly small anatomy errors that it's very easy to overlook right as you come off the incredible high of finishing a drawing. I don't know what chemicals are dumped into my system to make the drawing I just finished look like the next Mona Lisa but they make it easy to ignore little mistakes. Just keep drawing as much as you can to eradicate these little flaws and, once you've finished drawing, go back the next day, look over it, and fix whatever mistakes you notice, because they'll be there. It's what I do on the rare occasions that I actually draw something. Shit works.

>>30018541
So do you just post the same three shitty traces here over and over again until you get enough good boy points to come out of the retard box?

>>30016373
Yeah, I do it unintentionally too. I had the same problem. I think everyone does at one point, some sooner than others. These days I'm mostly chill. These days I relax more when I'm drawing.

>>30018710
I'm practicing shading, fuckface.

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>>30018852
Not that anon, but fucking Christ, Afh, you're legitimately autistic, aren't you.

This isn't about practicing, this is about you being a complete and utter failure of an artist. You just posted the same thing twice, and your excuse is that you're "practicing" shading?
You're not practicing, you're posting your shit in hopes of someone giving you a detailed list on what you're doing wrong.
I'm honestly astonished at how you keep doing stuff like this. People have told you ways of getting better at sketching, drawing faster, to study, whatever will help you to get good, and you still seem to ignore most of it.
You fail at self-critique, something I'd argue is one of the most important parts of being an artist.
I mean, do people really have to tell you to not upload everything you do?

I'm astonished at how much of a lost cause someone can be.

>>30019356
Fucking this. Either actually put some effort into your horseshit or get the fuck out. If you weren't so fucking autistic then you would have realized by now that we don't want you here.

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Tried some cell-esque hard shading with some more topcunt.

I'm reallcy concerned about shading in this one. Anyone want to kick mein nuts and send me in the genral direction of success?

>>30019936
ya man, that lighting is all over the fucking place. pick a main source and keep in mind what would make sense at that angle.

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>>30018852
>shading
>calling those meek smudges shading

here's a tip faglet:
if you want to learn to swim, stop dipping your fucking pinky toe in the water

>>30020270
Just stop answering and ignore his posts, he can't be helped at this stage.

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I'm trying to still learn pony anatomy in my own style (sorry the sketches are so messy, I don't erase much unless its gonna be an actual finished picture), do you think this is a pretty decent job?

>>30013194
two options for this,
option one would be to use paths and fill them. you can modify them however you like this way and it will make perfectly clean lines if done right, but its much more time consuming as you must go around the entire line, not just recreate it but go around its edges.

the second option is to use like a wacom tablet and make quick decisive strokes, that way they dont come out all shakey. if your program allows you to rotate the canvas (in krita its ctrl+[ and ctrl+]) then use that in case you're like me and can only do good lines in certain directions.

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r8?

>>30020825
zimbabwe/10

>>30020922
pls be serious pls this took me like 5 hours pls

>>30020926
i'm completely serious, it's shit, read the tutorials

>>30020825
legs seem a bit short, i like how you did the iris but the eyelashes need work, looks like a very sleep deprived poner

>>30020942
>filename: shit.jpg
See? He agrees with us

>>30020825
Are you fucking 8

>>30020825
legs too short, missing the legs on the far side of its body, lifeless stare, muzzle misshapen, legs are tubes and not limbs with muscle, looks like you didn't try to shade the hair, also the image is unnecessarily huge and flipped
overall baby's first pony/10

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>>30020825
Not bad for the first time, I see potential in you anon. Good luck and remember to practice :D

>>30020551
>learn pony anatomy in my style
>anatomy in my style
you're doing it wrong dickleak

style is what you do with anatomy once you already know anatomy

bum

>>30023440
>>30022417
What exactly are you bumping for?

>>30023661
generally speaking people bump threads so the threads do not die

>>30024945
you know, a simple white oval (made with an eraser) within the pupils would give the effect of reflection in the eyes

>>30025033
What, you don't like the eyes of death?

>>30025033
She found out that Starlight's been taking friendship lessons from some other mare.

Twilight's gone yandere.

>>30024945
I didn't put a reflection in her eyes because she's looking away from the light.

>>30024945
No offense, but you should really branch out and sketch more in your own style, rather than relying on looking at a vector. It helps you improve learn new techniques and will make your art more unique.

>>30026311
>inb4 "im not looking at vectors asshat"

>>30024945
you should really draw something new instead of posting the same pic 10 times

>>30026978
But I'm not? The only reference I used was one of my old drawings to get the cutie mark right.

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>>30024945
If there's no light hitting her eyes and you're trying to learn values, show it.The shapes you're using to construct is 3-D but you're not thinking in 3-D when you apply value.

>>30027986
>the point
>you

>>30028077
Why does it get lighter towards the opposite side?

>>30028288
why must we spoonfeed you instead of telling you to fuck off and study on your own?

>>30028288
>>30029717
You need to take some initiative and apply yourself. You're not learning jack shit where you're going right now.

Hey Pudgefaggot. If you're here go defend yourself
>>30026662
>>30029624
Everyone else ignore

>>30030139
What thread do you think you're in

>>30030139
pudge doesn't browse here newfriend.

pmub

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>>30027986
You know, I agree with the others that
A. You need to try different poses, and
B. You need to study the tutorials, or just google "shading," "crosshatching," etc, because all the questions you're asking I've been able to find answers to on my own, and I'm no artist. Pic related; crosshatching example.

That said, they really are being unnecessarily assholish, accusing you of posting the same things when if they actually looked at your pics, could see you are making changes. Don't let the oozing reddit tier elitism get to you. I've been following your progress from your very first post, and in fact, yours are some of the first ones I look for when dropping in a new thread to see what you've managed to do. Keep up the practice, and the posting, but seriously, do branch out a bit.

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>>30031449
While you're at it, watch these, and take them to heart.

https://youtu.be/k0ufz75UvHs?t=650

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIIpEuLxsiI

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How's my Twilight? I was practicing stuff and this poped out. I just love to draw lewd ponies and it can't be helped.
It brought an idea to me, I should make a series of pictures, something photo session like.

>>30032366
Aren't her wings a little too high? It seems like they're starting on the base of her neck right there.
Also... ponytail twily is 10/10

>>30032382
Wings gave me hard time. I wanted to not cover important parts with them. Should I place them a little further back? I can make a little cut in corset.

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>>30032404
Yeah, I get that, don't want to hide those curves.
But yeah I think they should be around there?

>>30032421
This placement was good at first but I was fixing the head and neck and left wing untouched. I'll try to fix it. Thanks for help.

BIF!

>>30032366
Broken, you didn't learn anything at all.

>>30032366
wings are overly detailed, highlights on eyes make no sense, right arm makes no sense, scribbles on stocking borders look like vericose veins, arms are probably too short for hind legs

>>30034345
It was a sketch I detailed and smoothed a little and I forgot to change highlight from flat one to this slightyly shaded. I don't like the left arm too. I just had no idea what to do with it so... Do you have any idea for what can I do with it? I'm empty.

I want to work more on this piece, it's still just a sketch for me. Thanks for feedback.

>>30034720
I mean, right arm.

>>30020050
Sorry for late reply.
Thanks, I'l keep it in mind.

Is it okay to use such "hard" lines for shading and not smudgy ones? Everywhere I looked, toon shading had a smidget to it.

>>30035130
shade darker

>>30035771
Thanks, I'll try. I might have to tweak my scanner's settings, because the shading looks significantly darker in real life.

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>>29990717
I wonder how many are going to stick to it.

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>>29986599
Muh special someopony just had to prove a point. They're in love with their bike though.

>>30001491
May I suggest moving the eye a bit back, so they're less forward facing?
Also, your tail is upside down.
It seems you have the misunderstanding the blue is fleshy tail and the rainbow is loose hair like a girl's hair. Rather, that triangle you usually see under the tail is the naked, hairless section of a full length tail. About a dog tail length.

>>30037369
It's mostly a suggestion, you know, given where we are - but I still think it's worth a quick read

>>30037498
congrats, your squeeze who is a bicycle fan is a few degrees better at comprehending bike shapes than usual

>>30037995
Yeah, I don't know what they expected but they made me.

>>30039015

>>30039015

>>30040435

>>30040439
ok, here's some advice, when shading give your drawings a context, currently I can't tell wether the sun is supossed to be far away in the distance or if it exists as a little led light a few inches from twilight

>>30041534
Don't waste your time trying to give that retard advice.

>>30041534
It's supposed to be right above her. How would you suggest making that clearer?

>>30040439
>>30043139
fuck off

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>>30043139
shade darker where there's shadows and shade lighter closer to the light source. don't just use 1 tone everywhere. why the fuck do we have to spoonfeed you? study on your own and stop posting every single thing you draw in this thread, faggot

>>30040439
How is it that every post you make has worse and worse shading?

>>30028077
>>30028288
>>30043929
Pretty much this. Why listen to a faggot like me when you can learn just as much putting a roll of toilet paper under a lamp? Your observation skills have gotten better, use it to learn from still life. I know it seems like the thread's being hard on you specifically, but that's because you have the potential to learn more than you're allowing yourself to.

Have you gotten good today, anon?

>>30045494
>tfw NGMI

I'm doing the best I can but feel it's never good enough. I've been sharing less online than I probably should.

>>30045494
not enough

>>30045494
Learning new things is intimidating and I've been in a stupor for two days.

>>30045494
I've drawn horse booty from an angle I thought was immposible for me. Does this count?

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>>30045705
You make me proud to be a drawfag

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>>30045494
lol no

I'm never gonna git gud

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>>30045705
I am so fucking confused about what I've done. Is this even decent? Head has given me so much pain to do...
It was hard with the angle, I tried my best to picture my idea. Throw everything you've got at me. Redlines also apprecited.

>>30047368
I believe it looks great. Maybe the dock seems a bit out of place, or the top of her ass cheeks are too far apart.
Oh, wait, also her front hooves seems ridiculously large.

Also, stop drawing saucy pictures of my wife.

>>30047368
It might be the perspective, but the hocks (ankles?) don't look like they're at the same level. The mane also isn't growing out of the neck, which it should. The wings also look a little out of place, and the left shoulder looks misshapen.

>>30047665
>>30047705
Thanks
I'll try to fix some things after I sketch another picture of my waifu. Lewd toughts flow trough me today. I have to place them on "paper".

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help me

>>30048365
Need a horsecock

>>30048365
Mouth, eyebrow, thinner neck width. black of the eyes, eyes highlights.

>>30048365
>>30048471
Also ears are not pyramids.

I was drawing for 8 hours without break and my hand is dead.

>>30047368
I have a feeling that you're just trying to copy other artist's drawings instead of learning anatomy\perspective. Again.

>>30049223
If looking for references after getting an idea and struggling with something is copying then yes. I did it on 1 of 4 things I've done.

>>30049223
Also, I am the type who can't just sit and say "Oh today I am gonna practice perspective". I can't sit and draw small stuff like ton of pony heads. I have to draw whole pony from what my mind is telling me to do. My imagination creates something I've probably seen before but still it's something I haven't tried yet. Maybe I am pathetic because I draw mostly nsfw, but this is what gives me fun. Isn't fun the thing?
Don't I practice anatomy by drawing ponies all the time?
I was told here I should practice like I want as long as I do it. So therefor I am asking for advices to eliminate mistakes. I am in front of a wall now. I feel like I stay in place, don't make progress like I did when I came here.
Wow why have I even written all of this?

>>30049315
>Don't I practice anatomy by drawing ponies all the time?
No, you don't.

>My imagination
>is copying

>stay in place, don't make progress like I did when I came here
And you've made no progress whatsoever.

>>30049336
Yeah yeah. You probably don't even know who I am and with what I came here at first. I don't care about ones like you talking shit instead actually helping people. And you know what? I am proud of myself no matter what I do and how shit it is in your eyes. I do what I like. You look like one who don't even draw. Maybe I am mistaken but my feeling can misguide me as yours did before.
How long it has been since I was fucking triggered... Congratulations you did it.

>>30049581
>You probably don't even know who I am
>And you know what? I am proud of myself no matter
So much damage control it's actually funny.

>Maybe I am mistaken but my feeling can misguide me as yours did before.
I don't even

>>30049581
Anon, there's no need to get mad.

https://derpibooru.org/1431489

So, I know that I'm already fairly decent at drawing pones, but am I doing anything wrong with the animation? Is there anything I could do better?

>>30049821
Ponies you've drawn for this animation are much worse than your other drawings. Why?

>>30049836
I had to draw all the limbs on their own layers, which lead to shading mishaps. It was alsomy forst foray into lineless in a while.

>>30049919
>not working from a sketch

>>30049821
I don't wanna be that guy, because it's an animation.
But they move too much, like, who the fuck would be able to sleep if they, and their partner, would keep moving their limbs like that.
Also, not enough horsecocks

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Haven't drawn in like 2 months. I gotta stop being so lazy.