Drawfag Improvement General

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First for dunning-kruger cucks

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Second for the rest of the horse

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What am I doing wrong?

>>29474740
No guidelines are being used.

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>>29474741
oh but there are

>>29474748
Those will be of no help to you because you aren't following them.

>>29474756
aside from a couple poorly placed eyesockets that I adjusted for, what makes you think i'm not following them?

>>29474765
They don't limit or guide you in placement of the facial features at all. None of the heads you drew are consistent.

Besides, if you were actually following the guidelines the features would be in different places.

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>>29474868
I got it from drawing over the sample though. What is the guide supposed to be?

>>29474903
>>29474748
What's with the perfectly centered-for-the-viewer cross in every one?

>>29474903
The curved line defines the borders of the eyes, but doesn't affect your sketch. You're doing this wrong. Look for a different guide.

>>29474931
To find the exact middle when you understand how to do this right.

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>>29474943

The fuck are you doing. Divide a simple circle into quadrants so that you indicate direction, center, and tilt. I have no clue what the hell is going on in that image you posted.

>>29474943
But what purpose does the exact centre of a circle serve? I'm not talking about the one that indicates the middle of the face; I'm talking about the one that's centred for the viewer.

>>29474943
I don't know what you mean by that first part but i'll look at other references

>>29474962
I'm the guy trying to help him, think you clicked the wrong post. But thanks for helping him out by doing it right, Anon.

>>29474966
I suppose to help placement of the curve like in >>29474962

>>29474969
Look at >>29474962. He did it correctly.

>>29474962
Meant >>29474903

>>29474977
>think you clicked the wrong post.

Yeah I did. Muh bad.

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I could go for an ic

anything I need to do?

>>29474998
Kill yourself.

>>29474966
>>29474962
>>29474977
>>29474983
I just draw the cross to help me visualize where the other lines are in relation to the sphere. I didn't think it was impeding anything

>>29474998
Forelegs are placed too far back and might also be broken

>>29475015
It isn't. Just follow how >>29474962 does that curve and base your lines off of that

>>29475044
hmm, I see, it just seems hard to see the limits of equine anatomy.

what is broken about the forelegs? is it the upper arm misplaced or something?

>>29475066
Sorry, I'm not really sure, it just looks off. Maybe it's because of the placement.

>>29475077
Ok, I'll look into it. Thanks.

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>>29474998
>>29475066

>>29475109
goddamnit, I really am fucking stupid.

Guess I deserve all the pain.

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>>29475162
Honestly, the show plays a bit loose with equine anatomy sometimes. Just think of the foreleg's "elbow" as being kind of folded up toward the body, in the same way the rear leg's "knee" is.

What chapter does loomis teach how to draw horse wangs and maybe horse ass hole also

barnp

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That feel when never gonna make it

Redliner please come back.

>>29475933
Daily reminder: We're all going to make it if we do our best and believe in ourselves.

>>29474998
>anything I need to do?
sorry but i can't help myself...
euthanize the pony

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>>29473500
I'm still a beginner, but i tried to redline what I think is wrong with that front hoof.

https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/event/horsefuckers I'll be in the thread hangout for the next few hours playing around with some color thing before heading out. If anyone wants a paintover, has questions, or just wants someone to draw with, hop in.

>>29474998
ears too big
head too small
legs, both rear and front too long and wrong placement

the head is also in a bit of weird angle compared to the eyes

all of this can be fixed by looking at the references at http://imgur.com/a/m7zQ2
plenty of sitting poses there too!
just try again and you'll be fine!

>>29476124
He dieded

>>29474998
stop being zimbabwe

>>29476625
Thanks. I was looking at pics from the show to try and get some perspective but this is more useful

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>>29476625
>>29476730
This any better?

>>29476789
Not OP, but it definitely looks better to me.

Just please, get some blank paper and take the time to rotate images before uploading them.

>>29476794
My apologies, posted from my phone. It was just a sketch to see if I could still actually draw poner (haven't for a while, bout 9 months) so I'll get some blank paper for next time.

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>>29476789
You are putting the bonest either in the incorrect positions or the second one from the shoulder is the incorrect length.

look at pic related, it is from the OP gallery. Top right of the pic is bunch of ponies with bones drawn in.

there are two bones inside the horses body and 2 bones that make the leg. after then there is one more bone for the "toe" and the hoof after that.

the leg you drawn, has visibly 3 parts (almost like if you have both the knee and the elbow), even though the most upper part *should* be part of the body itself.

The first two bones, from the shouder, would have impact in how the muscles are shaped around and would create creases if the leg is bent, but it wouldn't be visible below the body as yours is.

tl;dr; move the leg higher up so the top joint is no longer protruding from the body

I'm a bit in a rush now, but I'll try to give you some redlines when i get back. Or maybe someone else can help you better while I'm out

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>>29477114
First things I noticed were: Hindlegs look too long. Neck looks too thin. The tail needs more volume, the upper line should arch a bit higher. Otherwise it looks good!

>>29476631
Well shit I missed you just as I left. Would be awesome to have lots of activity in the hangout.

>>29477921
Hell, I'll hop back in, Anon. Just had to leave for a bit

>>29477935
Sorry, I meant I missed it 6 hours ago. I left a bit after you posted that and only saw it now.

>>29478009
Ahh, it's cool senpai

>>29476700
How do you do that?

page 10 bump. Where is everyone?

>>29478828

I am no one, but currently busy grinding gesture drawing and reading Vilppu/Hampton

>>29478828
Busy at the moment, haven't found time to draw at all in the past few days.

Did you make art gains today /mlp/?

>>29479784
I erased through my paper in an attempt to draw some legs
so yes

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>>29479784

Started Hampton's book today and did like 100 gesture drawing, I am trying to apply it to pone. I think seeing forms in 3D is becoming easier now, but still confusing

>>29479998
Ah the miss on the numbers mate!

Question now. Is this book really worth looking at? Heard a lot about but didn't even look at it.

>>29480020

Damn it, so close.

I am reading both Glenn Vilppu's and Hampton's, I started both today and since I am new to gesture drawing I really can't compare it to other works, but I think both books are really good. Specially if you can snatch the Lesson from GCMA that both authors have.

The book deals on learning rhythm, motion, gesture, construction, anatomy and even some composition, I don't think you can go wrong with it. I mean, I am pretty new to the concept of gesture and to be honest, it seems like one of those things that will really allow you to understand art in a more abstract way.

Works aren't lines of contour anymore, but lines of energy that share relationships with another and help paint a story, it's really eye opening if you're a beginner like me. Check out GCpeers if you want to get those lessons I was talking about, the books are also there.

>>29479784

Stuck at work so no. These past few weeks have been frustrating because I haven't had as much as I want to myself for art and I probably won't all month. #normielife

I still manage a few hours a day but I want more.

>>29480091
I'll give it a try tommorow. Now it's to late and my brain doesn't work.
Just looked at it a little and it seems interesting.

>>29480194

I don't know at what level you are at right now, but I doubt you can go wrong with the book.

are there some nice books in the sticky that are aimed at complete beginners that just started drawing a couple of days ago?

>>29480546

>1. The New Drawing on the Right side of the brain
>2. Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson

Those two books are great for absolute beginners and should keep you occupied for a little while.

>>29480641
Not the asking guy but I am an absolute beginner and I must this is all much more than I expected it to be. Seem a little overwhelming

>>29474681
if i'm an adult artists, is the mlp community still active in selling/buying commissions?

>>29480641
aight, thanks friendo

>>29480735
ye, had the same impression, so I'll just pick a book this anon recommended and try to work with it

>>29480735

Depends on your goals friend, those two books should get you started on working your observational skills, so you can actually draw what you see instead of what you think you see, which is the core skill of any artist, and will allow you to move into other subjects.


Take it slow, but take it. If you want to improve.

>>29480854


While not 100% certain, I am sure they're is always people willing to pay for your stuff, if they like it. I suppose the most important thing is getting your name out there.

>>29480854
Yes. If you are very good at safe art. With clops you just have to be decent.

>>29475249
It's in the OP pony gallery. There's like 4 or 5 of them.
>>29476789
The last joint in the arm that's being held up is too long comparative to the other parts, so just make them more equal.
>>29477114
Back legs are def too long at the ends and the joints on the rest of the hind legs should be expanded

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>>29482056
Is Discord edgy?

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Not sure how to push this and I'm out of juice for the night. Bump before bed.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/81332-Concept-Art-101 Found these assignments I did when I first started drawing seriously some 3 years ago. CA hype was long ded before then because of Jason Manlet shenanigans, but I came across this while looking at a god-tier sketchbook thread on /ic/. Took my sweet time on each assignment and gave myself a week for each individual one.

Seems like the links to each individual posts are dead but they're all in the thread. Might be worth doing especially if you guys can snag a study buddy. Only remembered I even did these last night.

>>29483462
"push" as in how to give it more depth? just ad lighter lights and darker darks. to me it looks like you have the same value under the hair as you have on the snout. not sure if thats right

>>29483664
They look very interesting. I'll definitely give the first ones a shot. Thanks!

>>29481598
Welcome back!

>>29483689

Now that I've had a chance to rest I can see that it's all kind of fucked. Oh well lesson learned.

>>29483849
Occasionally my crippling depression holds off long enough for me to bug everyone about anatomy. I still can't find my fucking stylus though.

>>29482343
Body finally lookin almost perf but your head probs are back. Keep it up; I believe in you

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rate my g1 fluttershy

>>29485109
Saturated/10


Did you guys git gud today?

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>>29485322
Trying to. I decided I'll do some poses and 1 will be from imagination. In this case ponka in panties. Second ponka is from redliners poses. Gonna do more now. Trying to get some basics on ponies. I still fuck up faces.

>>29476631
This is active. Come for draws. Leave with gains.

>>29482227
dunno

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DON'T
DRAW
DANGLING
ELBOWS

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>>29474962
No. Just no.
The "circle" is a sphere. The sphere is THE CRANIUM.
If you just draw a flat circle and cut it up you end up with a flat anime face.

"drawfag improvement thread" yeah right

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>>29486111
>>29474962
The jaw and snout are NOT part of the sphere.

>>29486102
You got a good point here

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>>29486102

How can keep her balance in that pose? the left hind leg should be crossing the right hind leg, if the right foreleg is going to be crossing the right foreleg.

She's obviously falling to the side?

>>29486111
Yeah man I get that. It was a simple demo for the anon that may have been confused. I use way more guidelines than that to indicate how far the muzzle comes out from the sphere, where the jaw line connects, where the ears are, the side plane of the head, etc. Drawing features on the sphere itself would make for an odd looking waifu. There has to be depth and volume.

>>29486960
Maybe that's fucking why my ponies all look so random... I just can't use fucking guidlines well. (Not that guy)

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When will the suffering end?

>>29487749
When you'll start to enjoy it.

>>29487759
I enjoy it all the time. I am just angry at myself because I don't spend enough time on it. I just can't give up on games...

>>29486295
gyrobowl

>>29487777
Not letting these quads go unnoticed

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>>29487792

Sorry to break it to ya, pal. But the Gyrobowl business...? Fake stuff.

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>>29488032
I'm using my larger intuous so it's not as easy but I tried

bamp

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Bumping before beb

nice stuff here

Have you guys gotten gud today?

>>29490009

great guide, except it makes the same mistake a lot of people make with the back leg. The lump at the back of the leg isn't where the joint goes. that's a bone called calcenus. the joint is in front of it. look at the example in >>29474712

Putting the joint at the back completely changes how the leg articulates. if you aren't careful it ends up with fosgitt legs.

Page 9 bamp.

>>29490742
No.

>>29491977
Why not, Anon?

I feel alright about my sketches but now I've been struggling with line weights and inking cleanliness. urghhhh

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>>29492084

Get one of these. I'm not very good with it but I practiced it with it so much during October's Inktober last year that I have a lot of lining confidence now. Still experimenting with line weight but it isn't that big of a struggle anymore.

>>29492110

Forgot to mention its a pentel pocket brush https://www.amazon.com/Pentel-Pocket-Brush-Refills-GFKP3BPA/dp/B002LJRKN8

I have one of these days when I can't draw anything. HELP

>>29492269

Stop thinking, put some music on and draw gesture on Quickpose.com

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Can I get a redline for this practice 3/4? Could use a second pair of eyes.

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Cup thread isn't up till Friday, thought I'd come here for some feedback on the portrait stuffs

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>>29492485

>hiding layers

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>>29492541
top kek
is this the final version?

>>29492579
It'll be the whole winter '17 lineup eventually- 11 done, 12 to go

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>>29492022
because i didin't drew nothing produtive all day

>>29493046
With this big one it look like you took ref from a bear. Am I rite?

>>29492541
It looks like shit imo, everything is broken.

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>>29493358
Yes you are.
Spike's legs bugs me.

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>>29492482

>>29493482
but its funny?

Draw something, anon.

>>29494816
I don't have ideas at the moment.

>>29493570
Thank you very much! That helps out a ton. Can't believe I fucked up the shape that bad without actually realising it.

>>29495009

You're welcome friend, keep it up.

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>>29494816

Ok so, here's a strange poner attempting to dab like a human.

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>>29494816
>>29495176

And here's a robo guard trying out a new gun?

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bamping with quick poni.
It was a very quick one. Redline appreciated.

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>>29495176
das a cute dab pone

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Like the third time Ive ever drawn a pony. The eyes are proving to be super hard for me. I dont know why. Maybe cause they are so large that it feels weird to me. Im not sure. I know i need to practice more.

>>29496667
The eyes aren't as much of a problem as that "muzzle" is. I use quotes because there isn't really a muzzle there and she looks more like an anthro than an actual pony. Don't take that too hard, you're not bad at this, you just need to study anatomy. Go to the OP and click on the pony tutorials so you know how to draw muzzles better.

>>29496780
No! I really appreciate it. It helps me get better.

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bumb

bab

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>>29496667
Ok I think Im understanding this a little better, going to practice sketching today

Have you guys gotten good today?

>>29500000
OH GOOD THE NUMBERS!

>>29500007
Have you?

>>29500028
Not yet. I prefer to draw at night.

>>29500036
Godspeed, Anon. May you make good gains. Surely our lord and savior Vilppu smiles on us this day, to grant us such glorious numbers.

>>29500000
>>29500036
I also prefer to draw when the day is over, I can't really concentrate otherwise.

not that I do anything throughout the day, though

>>29500000
>>29500036
>>29500135
Same goes for me, I'm usually most productive and also enjoy it the most from around 12am to 3am.

Haven't gotten good today or in fact the past few days, sadly, I've been real busy sending out applications. I'm hoping I can find some time to concentrate this weekend though.

>>29499247

Nice snootle matey.

>>29500000

Mirrin dem quints. Surely the art gods will smile upon us.

>>29500080
I have a 1:1 replica of Vilppu's flaccid old man cock and balls that I pray to every night.

>>29500196
Those are quints, breh.

>>29500220
>I have a 1:1 replica of Vilppu's flaccid old man cock and balls that I pray to every night.
Going to make it.

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>>29500000
About good enough to flush down the loo.

>>29499247
Yeah that looks a lot better. The ears are really cute too.
>>29500000
I'm too busy helping everyone else gitgud

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>>29501196
Yeah the muzzle is proving harder than i want. haha. Im just going to keep practicing from the guide and see if I can get it to feel natural.

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>>29501382
Sounds good, anon

>>29501382
Blocky muzzles can be difficult. Have fun anon.

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>>29500000
what im seeing now is your normal state?

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>>29500000

Wew lad, nice numbers. I keep practising gestures with humans and human looking poners.

>>29501196

>I'm too busy helping everyone else gitgud

Watch out with that, buddy. You don't owe us anything.

>>29502740
I have to do something with my pathetic life and I like helping youse guys

>>29502756

The more you improve, the more we can learn. I am curious though, what are your goals with drawfagging?

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>>29502823
Killing time, I guess. I've been depressed since I lost my stylus and I hate using the big intuous I have. I'm majoring in some kind of art but I don't really care which.I draw for myself I guess. Sorry not sorry for depression

>>29502858

I see, you seem to derive more joy out of helping out people than drawing itself, which is kinda neat. On the topic of depression, I am sure most of us here can relate, friend.

Do you like what you're majoring on?

>>29502945
I'm fine. I'm medicated and shit.I like what I'm majoring in. I really don't need to sour up the thread though

>>29502954

Of course, just curious of the Anon behind the tripname. Anyhow, keep it up, redliner.

>>29502954
different anon, but you actually motivated me to draw something right now

>>29503019
That's what I like to hear, anon

>>29502509
And this is to go, EVEN FURTHER BEYOND.

>>29502858
Do you have a way to break through and keep drawing? I haven't drawn in probably a good year(aside from a few small instances), but am entering a design course in less than two weeks.
I initially came into this thread for a little inspiration to get back into drawing, but it's not worked out so far. So is there any way I can really push-start myself back into it all?
inb4 >>>/ic/

>haven't drawn anything in 21 hours
someone motivate me to draw

>>29503146
draw me a cute poner anon

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>>29503166
what kind of cute poner you want senpai?

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>>29503179
I want pictures of ponk

>>29503105
>>29503146

Honestly if you need to be motivated to draw then you probably need to reevaluate why you're in this. If I waited until inspiration to hit me to draw I would have got no-where.

But if you need ideas take some time before your drawing session to look at your favorite artists and illustrations. If you just need a reason to draw something take an image you like and try to copy. Whether it be the pose, color, style, or whatever. Get your arm moving and make marks on the canvas.

>>29503195
Yeah I think that starting is mostly my problem. I haven't physically picked up and used the tablet in so long, I'm stuck at that point where I'm not sure I can. Ah well, I guess I'll have to one way or another soon.

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>>29502823
That's actually a good question.

Here's mine, what are everyone else's goals? Might be able to help
>>29503105
>>29503146
My art senpai told me to make it recently and it's given me focus. I had so many art waifus and he told me to narrow it down to this chart and it's given me something measurable to strive for. But yeah, look around and find out what you really love.

It doesn't even have to be something you enjoy overall. Can pick something out and say, "Hey, this guys colors aren't as good as x artist but I could masturbate for hours at his lines." Once you pick some pieces out, if you like it strive for it. But don't study where they are, study what steps they took to get there. And try to pick some artists that aren't just the top 20 generic tumblr, DA, or artstation artists either. Look to their influences, and their influences before them. You might even find something special in the art even the artist you like missed and gain the potential to be an even better version of yourself.

>>29503105
Actually yeah. I like to watch movies on the side of my screen (split 1/3 netflix/youtube with 2/3 photoshop or firefox) and sometimes I just draw my emotions out. I know it sounds really fucking emo but mental illness or any kind of emotional trouble is a great motivator (unfortunately).
>>29503146
This can apply to you as well ^ Also sometimes I just think of a really horrible pony pairing and that can get me going sometimes

question: do you all draw with a tablet, or are there some cavemen like me left?

>>29503244
I draw on paper, with a pencil.

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>>29503195
it's not that. I enjoy the discipline that comes from drawing every day, and I have been doing just that for the past few months. recently I just realized I had been doing something wrong the whole time and it made me realize i'm missing some key beginner knowledge, but I don't feel like picking up a book on drawing.
>>29503219
I don't know any artists. i guess i can start paying attention to who makes stuff I like though
>>29503223
i can't draw unless it uses my full concentration. do i have autism?

>>29503219
An influence map might be what I need, as it's really looking at art I strive towards that helps motivation.

>>29503223
Music does well for me, but I have such a one-track mind that any kind of visual stimulus would throw me off so terribly. I'm low-key jealous of lucky folk like you desu.

Thanks for the tips, it's sometimes just good knowing others have the same problems at times.

>>29503244
I do most of my figure and perspective studies traditionally. More enjoyable for me because my lines are better traditionally.

>>29503261
>>29503270
Go for it. Making the art you want to make, or taking steps towards it, helps make drawing in general more fun too. tfw I have a onetrack mind too. It's been a god thing in my experience though. Once you really get a block-in down you can push yourself to render by doing something fun like throwing up an audiobook. I used to hate rendering until I found out I can actually do that without losing too much focus. Aside from Barge studies it's also given me some intensive to really hone in on an actual step-by-step workflow.

>>>29503223
>i can't draw unless it uses my full concentration. do i have autism?

Everyone has their own workflows and tendencies. Personally I'm at my best when I'm listening to a movie or a podcast. I can draw for hours and just get lost in it all. I can't listen to music and draw because it's distracting. The hangouts are also a good thing that helps me focus but I haven't been able to do them often because #normielife.

Learning to draw has been an experience in discovering the type of person I am who I never knew existed.

>>29503244

I prefer paper and ballpoint pen but I experiment with all mediums. Digital, watercolor, oils, colored pencil etc. But my favourite is pen and ink.

>>29503261
>i can't draw unless it uses my full concentration. do i have autism?
yes
No it's just something I like to do because I have tinnitus and music/movies help me forget it's there.
>>29503270
>Music does well for me, but I have such a one-track mind that any kind of visual stimulus would throw me off so terribly
I guess it's a good thing I have ADD?

>>29503350
>>29503407
Ohh thank fuck. People right an left tell me I must have autism. I-I'm just p-p-passionate guys, really.

>>29503427
We're going to make it fampai.

>>29503427
Pff you nerd. You're not the problem, I am, haha

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>>29503219

Here's my attempt. My goals are muddy at best, but it doesn't seem to retract me from trying so I suppose it's fine for now.

>>29503694
those look pretty hard

>>29503732

It's going to take me quite a few years, but I am not stopping anytime soon.

>>29503694
Those are solid senpais to have man. You're gonna go far if you keep it up. Your Future You is looking great.

>>29503929

Thanks for the encouraging words, Anon. I wish you the same to you too. Back to drilling fundamentals I go!

>>29486111
so what shape is the muzzle supposed to be on a pony?

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>>29504324
it depends on the perspective but I almost always start with a "3D" oval on a sphere.I couldn't find a sketch I hadn't finished on file so I'm going to draw it really quick

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>>29504324
I misread what you said but here's what I do anyway because fuckit. it's hideous, perfect

>>29504452
thanks famalam

bedtime bwamp

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More painting attempts. Good night improvement thread. May you dream of art gains.

Page 10 boop

I have to make myself some schedule. Is drawing for 2/3 hours a day and 4+ at the weekend ok? I think I can stick to that. I really enjoy it when I do it but I have really hard time starting. But when I get the idea it just flows.

>>29506564
Do what fits your schedule. Some of us sit on our asses all day and draw for literally 12 hours and some only have an hour or less to keep it up. Like if you work 60 hour work weeks or something nuts, don't feel bad; if you really do gotta go fast though, you can draw on your boss's dime

>>29506564

Personally I only have time for around 2-3 hours of drawing per day. The important thing is that you're performing the act of physically drawing everyday. And when you can't draw, try to make observations about the world around you. See the world as if you're going to paint or draw it.

>>29506564
I usually do 30-90mins a day. I don't have time for more than that

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Critique please

>>29507134
Put manes on them please. They look so adorable but have so big heads. Manes can fix it I believe!

>>29507134
Very good! Nitpick: I'd move the ears up the head like, just a wee bit

>>29507134
Nice I can never get my body proportions that good

>>29507134
Who's style are you copying? It seem very familiar.

>>29508473
I don't know if/who they're copying but it does look familiar
>>29508445
This one's pretty good for body/head proportions: http://i.imgur.com/UwSIQXy.jpg

>>29507134

Cute as fuck poners

>>29507134

Get into the habit of drawing the other ear. I know the show does the one-eared thing but ponies have two ears.

>>29509244
I feel like one ear or two ears is a decision up to the artist (assuming the artist already knows the proportions very well, of course), but that might just be me

>>29509719
I think second ear if placed correctly gives a picture better look. Altough one is fine too.

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If any of y'all would like to practice, try redlining pic related; it's an OC I made in 2011 IIRC. I'm redrawing this before/after thing too but I'd love to see how you guys can do!

>>29503179
where's my cute poner at?

>>29510030
I'd do it but I'm quit busy today. I'll try tonight though

>>29510291
it was bad so I deleted it tbqhwym

>>29510509
After trying to redline it myself, it needed a redraw honestly, but I'm going to post that anyway. I think I'll draw a few pony sketches that have certain, purposefully made problems to see if you guys can see them and try to fix them. I feel like it'd help you all see your own mistakes

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>>29507134

I feel you need to count your joints and bones in the leg, fampai.

>>29510601
I never put in the shoulder myself but that's why I'm not the gettinest of guddests

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>>29510527
>was promised cute pony
>got nothing
why anon

>>29510645
I'm less about "putting it in" but at least imagining it. It can help with perspective, too.

>>29510733
Always put it in, anon. You know you want to.

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>>29510844

You know it.

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>>29510030
I couldn't redline this garbage so I made a gif of how I redid the whole thing. I hope it helps someone.

>>29511245
It's missing part 5. Well part 5 is ?????? anyway so there you go

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While I'm at it, if you're interested, reply to this post and the last two digits are the palette you have to use to draw whatever you want.

Easy mode: draw a pony with a similar palette
Hard mode: create an OC with the palette

I'm rolling for hard mode

>>29512050
Those are some nice palettes.
Surely drawing a non-OC would be the Hard Mode as there's likely not gonna be a pony for each palette.

Also, rolling. Maybe I'll get a nice one and feel like drawing for it.

>>29508473

>>29512144
Oh, 44! That's a good one. Also it's just my idea of hard/easy mode but it's up to you guys what's difficult or not. I think it's great to practice colors and color theory. Also...
>>29512050
I want to mention that you CANNOT use black and white unless they are in your palette!

>>29512179
Really? I was wincing at the idea of having to put that horrible red into an otherwise lovely set. I guess I could just use it for eyes and sparingly as focus points, but geez, it's such a harsh red against the rest of them and I feel like relegating the constrasting colour to eyes is a cop-out.

>>29512224
I think it looks fun! I have 50 so I have the same problem, hah.You could also use it as a strip of color in manes/tails or get even more creative and make your pony like, haunted or something cool

Rorels

>>29512050
rolling for hard mode

>>29512445
haha fuck yeah pastels

>>29512050
Here we go, rolling.

>>29512144
>>29512427
>>29512445
>>29512460
I'm really glad to see you all challenging yourselves! I'm about halfway done with mine, myself and I can't wait to see what you guys draw!

>>29512475
I'm already challenged enough as-is, but we'll see how it goes.

>>29512511
It's always at your own pace, but I will always cheer you on.

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>>29512445
done
that was fun, but the purple was hard to incorporate

>>29512766
Oh you're not supposed to use black but you can replace all the black with that purple! Either way I'm glad you tried it!

>>29512837
oh not even for lines? dayum
i'm actually doing it again so i'll just do it right this time

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Did it little quickly because of lack of time.
Muzzle is a little bit to big I think. It was funny.

>>29512947
Yeah, I mentioned it in a follow up. You can't even use white so you'd have to use a light color instead. That's part of the challenge!
>>29512974
Good job! Feel free to do more, haha

>>29512460
>>29512475
Damn, this is tough. Quick question, am I allowed to dillute the color or do I have to use it fully saturated?

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>>29512766
NO WHITE
(spoilered for sensitive sallies)

>>29512050
>do not repost or redistribute
Where do you think we are?

>>29513051
Well I think you can mix them for like, shading?
>>29513079
Oh I love this! Great palette too
>>29513152
Lul I didn't make this, I stole it off their tumblr

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>>29513079
ok last one, i just really love making characters

>>29512050

Rolling loling

>>29513258
Oh I like that palette
>>29513253
Well I love these. I'm almost done with my own because I tried out a new style to fuck myself up a bit

>>29512569
Did you ever finish that wing tutorial?

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did i do anything horrendously fundamentally wrong here? never done a more realistic-ish style

>>29513333
my mood always gets lifted whenever I see redliner spreading motivation and good vibes in this thread.
why are you always so positive and helpful
nice quads

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Okay here's mine. I made a pony whose special talent is entomology but she's afraid of all bugs other than butterflies.
>>29513365
I never even started but I'll start it tonight, I promise. Do you guys want pony, griffons, or both?
>>29513381
Well you kind of combined the wrong parts together, to put it nicely. Like the head looks show style but the arms and legs totally do not. The limbs look emaciated but the torso and head don't. Does that make sense? You have to pick one or the other and then draw that.
>>29513394
Well I mean, just because it's /mlp/ doesn't mean I can't help you guys out. It doesn't mean I have to be a full on cunt (and the same goes for everyone else). I'm still being honest, I just know how to C&C without breaking hearts and more than anything I want to inspire and encourage and to see other artists to improve and do their best. I would say I'm positive and helpful because I'm honestly really depressed otherwise and helping you guys makes me honestly very happy. Because of these threads I've made a decision to try and teach art at community colleges or something in a few years if I can.

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Welp. I was #44. I wanted to get into it, but troubleshooting brushes and trying to find a fix for shoelacing that wasn't buying Lazy Nezumi soured that. Hopefully after a nap I can try again. RIP

>>29513536
There are free programs like Fire Alpaca if that helps? I'm sorry you had so much trouble; it wasn't meant to break you down :(

>>29513545
I already own the full Adobe Creative Suite, so I don't really want to not use it. And I'm sure shoelacing in general won't kill my drawings(hasn't in the past, it's just noticeable when testing brushes and making plain strokes). But it still became an annoyance.
And don't worry about it. I got farther than I have in a couple months. I'm just as hard as soil in an earthquake, so I get thrown off easily.

But I'm gonna keep coming here as it's a nice thread. Hopefully I can get onto something soon.

>>29513590
Well I'm very happy you like the thread and that you've improved! If you want, you can submit traditional media drawings (graphite, charcoal, marker etc); we can help you with that too. Either way you're always welcome here.

>>29513603
I've been too spoiled by the magic of modern technology. Traditional is like some kind of archaic magic to me now. But yes, this is a nice thread. I've popped in and out over the past as it's a good place for inspiration.

>>29513463
>Well you kind of combined the wrong parts together
that's kinda what i was going for, but if it's REALLY weird i can make it more concomitant

>>29512050

imma roll

>>29513333

Yep, I love that palette too. Poner currently in the workings. I am slow at ponymaking

One mor quick roll and drawing before sleep. Yeah! Let's do it!

>>29513463
>Well I mean, just because it's /mlp/ doesn't mean I can't help you guys out. It doesn't mean I have to be a full on cunt (and the same goes for everyone else).
I guess that's true.
But still, I have much respect for people like you who find joy in helping others improve at stuff.

>>29513647
I would if I were you, but it is your choice in the end. If you want to do something in the middle, draw a new one maybe doing different parts than you did there. Wow that was a garbage sentence, hope you can interpret it, haha
>>29513621
I know that feel. It's all on you how and when you wanna improve. If you think you can only do so digitally then go ahead and do it; however, I'd just carry a sketchbook and a nice mechanical pencil and eraser around and try that for a bit.
>>29513659
>>29513661
Yeah! I'll do another tomorrow, myself. It's great to see you all participating!
>>29513684
I always feel like I got a little Bob Ross in me. I'm very hard on myself (hehe, hard on.) but with others it's just really natural, I guess, to feel the urge to help even if you don't want me to. And I respect anyone who comes to me to improve back; I can't do this without you guys and I always feel bad with depression takes over and I can't do muh job

>>29513652

Fuck this. Reroll

>>29512050
Fuck it, why not.

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>>29513698
>I always feel like I got a little Bob Ross in me.
Now I'm laughing like an idiot because I'll forever imagine you as pic related from now on.

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>>29513743
I drew this piece of shit for you real quick

>>29513777
heh, I'll draw some happy little trees for you tomorrow

>>29513777
>777
Bob Ross is looking down on me from heaven
>>29513852
That'd be great. Actually now that you mention it, I can totally help people with landscapes and stuff too

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I did it completely from memory and with imagination. No refs used. wanted to try myself. Seems good as for the speed I've given myself. I gotta go to sleep sadly.

>>29513866
>66
stop it, bob

still trying to draw ponies that actually look good, never actually drew a landscape

>>29513919
Great job! I like that you chose the darker color for the coat; it's not done enough, imo. Good night, anon.

>>29513919
Oh dear I forgot pupils.

>>29513927
Oh well that's the great thing about landscapes - they're organic! You can fake the fuck outta 'em. Put a tree there, a branch there, no one's gonna know. If you put a window out of alignment everyone's going to see it, but if you draw too many grass leaves? No one knows except you!
>>29513932
You could honestly leave it like that though.

>>29513939
mh, that makes sense, but I'm only drawing with pencil and paper, and I guess you'd need some colours for that.

>>29513939
I am happy because I started to get how it works. I can get a decent pony in simple pose in 5 minutes. It was impossible month ago. If I only could work more on that poni.

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>>29512460
I really need to use colors more often, I've got no idea what I'm doing. That pallet was hell, though, not too happy with how it turned out.

>>29512050
Just gonna roll again for tomorrow, I'll be headed off to sleep now.

Side note: if you guys want to use names or numbers so I can ID you easier, feel free.
>>29514069
I'm so glad! Feel free to post before and afters, btw. Those always make me nice and warm inside.
>>29514004
I like to draw with like, purple or blue gel pens and then color them in with highlighters or bright neon gel pens. It could be fun!
>>29514099
>Just gonna roll again for tomorrow, I'll be headed off to sleep now.
I should have given everyone 2 extra rolls. I guess hard-mode is 1 roll then.
>I really need to use colors more often, I've got no idea what I'm doing. That pallet was hell, though, not too happy with how it turned out.
You don't have to be so hard on yourself; that's my job. Besides, I can totally tell it's Rainbow Dash but the color scheme reminds me of Sonic 2 (Sega Genesis style). Good night, anon!

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>>29513731
Sorry, had to reupload.

>>29514241
This was pallet 31.

>>29512050
Rolling for a new one! I'm going to do one in traditional media to show you guys you don't need to be completely digital to do a good job.
>>29514249
>>29514241
I think you went the easy way with the palette, but hey it's your challenge. For some reason her face reminds me of how Louise Belcher is drawn and I love that. I think you should practice not pillow-shading though, if you see what I mean as there is shading but a lack of light source.

>>29512050
Please get me something good. I have been a good girl for Santa :(

>>29514291
Fine, 91, whatever

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>>29513728
Rate/hate.

>>29514300
You did a great job, Post-it. I really like that brush you used in the background. Your lines are looking better too. I'd make the ear a little bigger though and, if you want, make the horn longer because in the show their horns are as long as they are tall x 2. I do think you could have used the yellow more but whatever

>>29512050
rollie pollie

>>29514295
why don't you believe in Bob Ross anymore?
>>29514207
>I like to draw with like, purple or blue gel pens and then color them in with highlighters or bright neon gel pens. It could be fun!
you know what? I'll give that a try

>>29514333
Oh that was my first one. Feel free to re-roll palettes other people got free of charge

>>29514314

Thanks mate. I couldn't think of what to do with the yellow color other than some reflected light that makes no sense. I'm not happy with how muddy the far eye turned out and its really glaring in the thumbnail. Not too happy about the silhouette either and I think making the horn longer would have brought it out more.

I lose my patience if I render for too long and this hit my limit.

>>29514337
I have several gods in my life and one of them is Bob and another is Santa
>I like to draw with like, purple or blue gel pens and then color them in with highlighters or bright neon gel pens. It could be fun!
>you know what? I'll give that a try
I'd love to see it!

>>29514343
I know, friendo. If you want you can go back in and add some yellow in the background?

>>29514266
Oh god, now I can't unsee it. I struggled with the muzzle a bit and between that and the far cheek I think that's what does it.

>>29514372
Yeah but it's not BAD looking, haha

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>>29514353

How about this?

>>29514399
That works a lot better actually. It makes the blues pop out more. Good job!

>>29514399

>no wings

yeah let me fix this.

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>tfw everypme draws poners supa fast
>I am still figuring out how he head is going to work

>>29514446
Hey, no, don't beat yourself up so fast. A lot of the people who are doing these are people who have been improving in this thread for a while or know pony anatomy well enough to draw them fast. We all have our own pace and drawing more (and doing challenges like this) helps you draw more accurate and faster. So go back to work and don't compare yourself, okay?

>>29512050
lmao

>>29514477

Alrighty senpai, I'll get back to it!

>>29514506
Good. I'll be waiting!

>>29514403
>>29514477
>>29514512
for gods sake, you're really pressing that bob ross image into my head

and it's beautiful

>>29514537
I mean I'm just saying what I believe - and I believe in you guys. I'm so happy that you're improving and that it's me that's helping and I know this is so cheesy but it's true

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Mkay some wings added.

>>29514446

You have to push yourself. Draw everyday even if you don't want to. You have to -become- a person that can get good at art. Focus on your fundamentals and getting things to look right. Don't be afraid to slow down.

I drew only heads for months before moving onto bodies. It was only this month that I started drawing bodies/legs more and focusing on colors. This Luna took me around two hours and to me that was a bit too long. I got hung up on a few things that i felt I shouldn't have but it's something I just have to work on. Speed will come with time.

Think of the artist you're going to be 5 years from now. If you keep pushing it the artist you are now is going to be totally unrecognizable.

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>>29514619
Stop referencing really bad vectors, my dude.

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>>29514619

You need to consider what >>29514685 is saying. A lot of show vectors are dog-shit ugly. They can make for nice ideas for poses but shouldn't be copied on a 1:1 scale. You seriously need to use the resources in OP and practice from those or practice from other artists who know what they're doing.

Another tip is to draw smaller and make thumbnails. It'll help with proportions and proportions are KEY to making ponies that look good. And not just over-all proportions, every feature has to be proportioned just right or the entire pony will look fucked.

>>29514702
Like I always say, a bad reference is not a good excuse for drawing something improperly. It's on you to find good references and a great place to start learning is in the OP's pony anatomy gallery. I've told you this a dozen times, but you need to go through it and use them and teach yourself a bit. That's how I learned how to draw ponies and I think you can do it too because right now you're not applying yourself as much as you could be. I've already done about 10 redlines for you and they aren't making you better, you're just staying the same. I really hate having to make this kind of speech to anyone, but if you want to get better only YOU can apply yourself.

Please look at every image in this gallery and use it to learn how to draw ponies: http://imgur.com/a/m7zQ2

>>29514724
was meant for >>29514619

If anyone wants a collection of most of the angles on a female pony, I can get them from that one resources leak a while ago

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>>29514702
>>29514724

And just to add on to this I only really use show ponies for expressions and mane referencing.

>>29514747
It can't hurt, sure go ahead

>>29514685
It'd be good if you could give me some sort of hint about what makes something a "bad vector", because that one looks fine to me, and I've rejected quite a few references for not looking quite right.

>>29514702
I started out drawing thumbnails, and I was told that that was wrong.

>>29514724
I do use that gallery, mostly for bone structure and general shapes, including manes/tails and eyes. I only used the vectors for the poses; you can see quite a few places where the poses don't quite match because something in the vector didn't make sense to me when I was drawing it.

I've also been trying to incorporate feedback from the redlines and general feedback, such as giving the manes more volume, lowering the muzzle, straightening the muzzle, grounding the hooves, using a skeleton, and so forth.

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>>29514333
I guess

>>29514830
>I was told that that was wrong.

There is no right or wrongs as long as you're making attempts. Drawing small has its benefits but can be a detriment and a bad habit. You gotta strike a balance. Drawing small is good for getting the bigger picture down. Then you can scale up.

The problem I have is that you post something and say nothing to follow up about it. You need to be making your own observations and voicing them so we can get an idea of what your mindset is like. You don't -have- to draw full bodies if you dont want. Focus on the head and facial feature placement if you want. Or whatever. Drawing the whole pony can be a big task because you're spreading out your knowledge kind of thin.

Every time I practice or try to draw a bunch of heads, it looks like a horrifying abomination.

Every time I go "fuck it" and dive right into some big project, it looks passable.

This is frustrating.

>>29514865
Alright. I've been making observations myself, but not posting them here.

>>29514619
I think the bottom of her chin is still a little bit flat, and I'm not sure I did her mouth right. Her nose seems a bit pointed, but they seem a bit pointed on the show too. Her mane seems pretty lumpy and thin, especially the part on her neck. I'm still not happy with her raised leg, and I think her left foreleg is too short and/or not tapered enough. Something about her wings seem off, but the gallery doesn't really have any detailed breakdown of how the wings work, so those were just copied from sight. I don't think her left hind leg is "bunched up" enough; it just looks like her right hing leg is arbitrarily longer. Her right hind hoof should probably be tilted more as well, so that the end of the leg looks more rounded. I'm also having difficulty judging where the legs would be connected on the far side of the pony, though I've been trying to use the rule of thumb that the legs should be about as long as the diameter of the head.

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>>29514764

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>>29514579
>>29514477
>>29514512

Here's what I have right now, losing a lot of time just trying to fix the hair (gonna remove all the messy lines now). Do the cutie mark and then do the outline, which I am still trying to figure out how I'll do.

How do you guys do the outline for the body?

>>29514998
I would use the darkest color for an outline. I chose not to have an outline because it was just a new stylistic choice that's more advanced than what some people are ready for, probably including you, unfortunately. You can't really tell what the body is doing because shes missing the lines. I think if you apply what you did to the tail with what you did to the mane, it'd look a lot better. The tail should also be a bit thinner where it comes out of the body. Her face is looking cute though!
>>29514995
I think it's worth looking at and trying to draw if people want, sure!

>>29512050
rolling for hard mode because why not

>>29512050
Replyan for color

TttT

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>>29514291
Okay so I rolled 91 and I did the whole thing with paper, pencil, and these markers: http://i.imgur.com/jw7txDd.png so traditional only is totally an option! I like my other one better but this came out cute too

>>29514995
Thanks for this. I've been having trouble with the neck, since it's almost always obscured by the mane.

>>29515150
Yeah the neck can be tough, but I think the angle page they linked can be a great help to you, okay?

>>29515155
Do you mean the image in >>29514995?

>>29515182
Yes, I assumed that was known, so I'm sorry you didn't realize that.

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>>29514481
>>29512050
Is this breaking the rules? I tried to draw pony but I'm tired of drawing pony and wasn't feeling it. Ahh well, probably not going to work on this anymore. I've commissions to do.

>>29515215
>draw whatever you want.
So no, you're not breaking the rules. It's cool to see you do one though since you're so good at this shit