Hello /mlp/, do you like Trump?
And to keep this pony related who's your favorite pony?
Trump best represents pony interests.
we made this thread just to see how horse fuckers react
Trolling = journalism now I guess.
And let's not forget about the increasing legitimization of "People who disagree with me? Obviously they're subhuman faggots who are so wrong I don't even need to bother forming an actual argument against their views."
>implying ending the world is even a bad thing at this point
It's a "quick death" vs. "slow torture" argument.
>the world will end if things don´t go exactly my way
what are you ? american ?
As a Canadian, and political retard, I want Trump to win because he's the funniest and most controversial choice. And when Kanye finally tries to run for presidency, I wish him the best, too.
>Implying the goyim isn't sarcastic because all /pol/ can say is that everybody against them is a jew
Did somebody say Trump?
Also post bastepin, faggot. I'm not giving them clicks.
Either if your post its being ironical or not most people have the same mentality.
Political debates often go to extremists "promises" just to cater the most amount of possible voters, in the last 50 years how many of said promises were actually done?
This just doesn't apply to America but every single country
Democracy doesn't work because it is ruled by the majority and the majority are a bunch of fucking idiots
>go to article
>wow it's fucking nothing, just clickbait
>"Are you a fan of the Eagles? You might be a Republican."
>I'm both of those things
>"Both Mike Huckabee and Ben Carson earlier this week tweeted out odes to Eagles guitarist Glenn Frey, who died on Sunday"
>who died on Sunday
That's a weird way of spelling "be saved".
He's a meme in many ways and they don't get a lot of people joke with Trump memes specifically to make normies upset.
Trump is fucking invincible because he has absolutely no shame, though this accusation thrown towards any other candidate would be equally as invalid because it is irrelevant.
Leftist are really getting desperate, aren't they?
>tfw only visit /mlp/ and /pol/ so that might be me they're talking about
>people think that Trump would be able to actually get anything done when most big names from BOTH parties despise him
>people think he'd ever get approval for his wall, which would require a lot of government spending to pull of and thus put him at odds with his own party
>people think that he'd be able to fund it himself without going through Congress first anyway due to being a project on government land
>people actually think that he isn't going to be cockblocked on as much legislation as Obama was, if not more
>Leftist are really getting desperate, aren't they?
Anon, pls. Politics on the internet are ALL about being desperate, left or right doesn't matter.
>"THOSE PEOPLE DON'T SHARE MY VIEWS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! I HAVE TO EDUCATE THEM!!!!"
how the fuck is he planning to do it either way?
whats the fucking point of another wall?
why am i arguing about this if i know i won't change your point of view?
i sure do love MLP
And how the fuck do you think he's going to do that?
Just waltz up to the Mexican government and demand they undertake a massive public works project on their own budget to solve a problem that barely even effects them?
Don't even bother to say by threatening war, that would only serve to piss off every single one of our allies, and Congress would never go through with it.
Besides, if we were ever to go to war in Mexico, it should be to curb the cartels, nothing more.
If you're curious to know the specifics of why Trump will absolutely and easily get Mexico to pay for the wall, I encourage you to study the details on his campagin website
Not really. He's just playing the game in a different way.
People don't like political correctness (or basic civility)? Go nuts being offensive! But don't actually point out how the government is actually the biggest danger to the country. No, government is the solution! We need more of it to save us from Mexicans and PC liberals!
Again, it doesn't matter how much or how little he gives a shit.
He still needs to get things done, and he can't do that without Congressional support.
Congress would never approve of acting that aggressively towards an allied government, especially if it means a war that could lead to fighting on American soil.
If he somehow bypasses Congress, it means a breakdown of the balance of power between the political branches
It still takes time, money, materials, and workers to do so. Sure, a wall is easy enough to build for a small enough area, but a border that spans the length of multiple states becomes a massive undertaking, especially if it has to be strong enough to not be broken through, designed so it cannot be climbed over or dug under easily, and monitored enough so there are not any security breaches.
If it were a chainlink fence, sure, he might be able to pull it off relatively easily, but then it would not be able to do the job it's intended to do.
Our federal budget is 3.5 trillion dollars a year, and we have an army that's capable of building cities in the desert a world away to shoot Tusken raiders out of.
We can build a wall.
>He still needs to get things done, and he can't do that without Congressional support.
>If he somehow bypasses Congress, it means a breakdown of the balance of power between the political branches
Have you even been to America?
All Trump needs to do is say the wall is part of a police action against drug cartels for the children's freedom something something. Bam, executive action and debt financing.
But what about all of the American businesses that rely on illegal immigrants for their workforce?
Illegals don't complain like Americans do. You're restricting a private company's right to employ who they wish.
Free stickers is a pretty easy thing to get right. If Bernie Sanders has managed to fuck up the distribution of free stickers, how the hell can you trust him with the distribution of healthcare and higher education?
We need a leader who can get shit done.
The first wall is winning your vote
Lets make America great again
What about how China is basically stealing our wealth out from under us, along with any means of gainful employment for people that don't want to be Walmart greeters
Tough shit, I guess the market will have to adjust and learn how to profit without slave labor.
Also, private companies that want to employ Mexicans are free to fuck off and go to Mexico. I just hope they don't suffer under the delusion that they'll be able to send their goods back into the US without getting ass fucked with tariffs under a Trump admin.
I'm not saying we can't.
The problem is that the Republican congress is constantly blocking any attempts to spend more money, and have threatened full shutdown of the government on multiple occasions. Their big platform the past few terms has been reduced government spending, and this is something that would bring about a significant increase in it.
That would work if it were Columbia, but Mexico has closer diplomatic relations with us, and more importantly they share a border with us. If conflict breaks out, it is entirely possible that we may see full-on warfare break out on American soil for the first time in decades, especially with cartel presence in the southwest.
Why are you building a wall, though?
Mexican immigration is currently at it's lowest since 40 years ago.
It's all fearmongering and pandering to the false beliefs of people who won't inform themselves.
Obama shouldn't be doing that either, and if we continue to put in people who are willing to abuse their power like that things are going to get worse, not better.
If the only way to complete the overstated campaign promises is to abuse his power, then maybe Trump is more like Obama than I thought.
All you have to do is cut spending elsewhere to fund the wall, and it wouldn't even cost that much anyway.
They're made in South Carolina
You know, it doesn't do us any fucking good to have that 10 pack of stretch jeans cost $5 less when nobody has any fucking work to get that money in the first place.
Look at all the countries we trade with that have tariffs. You can't fucking work with China at all aside from ship them half a trillion dollars a year, because they're protectionist as fuck.
What do you think happened to all the people who lost their jobs when those 55,000 factories closed down in the last 15 years? They're living hand to mouth because people like you are too goddamn stupid to see that the working class of America is literally dropping dead because of our horrible trade pacts.
I don't give a shit. I shouldn't be compelled to buy an American product just because it is American, and attempts at "protection" protect only the manufacturers rather than consumers.
It is government intervention in the economy that does not benefit the majority, so it is bad.
>Mexican immigration is currently at it's lowest since 40 years ago.
Nobody has any clue how many illegals we have here, and anyone that says different is talking our their ass, because there's no gainful way to measure illegal immigration, because there's no way to track it aside from what amounts to really fancy guesswork.
It was just an example of what we could do to equalize trade deficits.
>the only way to complete the overstated campaign promises is to abuse his power, then maybe Trump is more like Obama than I thought.
You have a good point, but what else is there to do if you want to see America crawl out of the shit? Congress is far too slow on deciding things, and the dems in there will try to cockblock Trump at every turn. I'd rather it'd be him playing dirty than "Sweep the Dead Bodies Under the Rug" Clinton or "I don't Know How Much a Dollar is" Sanders.
>cut spending elsewhere
Anywhere else and you're gonna piss off the liberals even more than they were before.
Besides, I think you're seriously underestimating the cost of building this wall.
Paving a road is generally considered to be fairly easy to pull off, but the interstate system was still a massive undertaking with a cost of over 100 billion dollars.
>full shutdown of the government
It's amusing how people still think this is an actual thing. "Shutdown the government" really just means "paid leave for a few employees of questionable necessity."
Actually shutting down the government is little more than a beautiful dream.
>attempts at "protection" protect only the manufacturers rather than consumers.
No you dumbfuck, it protects your ability to work and make money, and to keep money in this country instead of selling it off to 3rd worlders to use in building their own dumps up.
If people in this country actually had money to spend, it would help the economy because we wouldn't have 6 gorillion people living on the margins of society and drinking themselves to death because they have no financial future because people with 65 IQs like you need to spend 5 cents less on iPhones.
We have like half a dozen unconstitutional agencies running in the federal government that can be cut to ribbons, and the libs can go back to their drum circles and discuss banning the constitution or whatever the fuck they do now, who cares about them?
The cost of the wall was estimated to be between 4 and 10 billion too, that's literally nothing. We spend 5 billion on the Obamacare website.
This makes me want to write a fanfic where a redpilled /pol/ user who hates MLP with a passion finds himself transported to equestria and at first is really surly to all the ponies, but eventually starts to wrestle with his own growing affection (and lust) for one hardworkin', apple-bucking orange pony who was kind to him no matter what others were saying about "that new, angry monkey" in town. Would be a real steamy story. Could call it something like "A tough pill to swallow"
I'd rather have someone that has a platform that doesn't make congress feel obligated to cockblock at every turn. A better fit would be someone who leans more moderate, so they don't instantly divide on principle, and actually have the ability to make things happen.
Part of the issue with Congress right now is that they're so oppositely aligned with Obama that it's impossible for them to find a middle ground.
Finding someone that liberals have even a HINT of respect for would be much healthier for the GOP, as it would allow them to get more things pushed without having everything blocked by the opposition out of pure spite, like we see with the current administration.
Yeah, I know it's hyperbole, but it still slows things down to a crawl. And the fact that it's paid leave means that we're still paying roughly the same to do nothing.
>No you dumbfuck, it protects your ability to work and make money, and to keep money in this country instead of selling it off to 3rd worlders to use in building their own dumps up.
Option A - product manufactured in America, bought in America
Option B - product manufactured elsewhere, bought in America, costs less to buy than option A for the same product. Americans spend less money.
Demanding option A instead of option B is literally shoveling money from masses of people to a handful of factory workers. For the benefit of a few hundred American laborers, millions of American consumers are forced to waste their money. It's just wealth redistribution by another name.
Yes, but if those factory workers don't have jobs, then it means that they can't spend money to buy things and improve our economy.
Not to mention the fact that the manufacture of our goods in China gives the Chinese a degree of economic power over us.
/pol/ I already told you this: /mlp/ is one of the most conservatives borads on 4chan
>One race society: ponies
>Other races are seen as evil/dumb/violent
Wake up /pol/
>because there's no way to track it aside from what amounts to really fancy guesswork.
Yeah, because people smarter than you don't make a living predicting stuff with really fancy guesswork already.
Just inform yourself for once.
Try millions, retard.
Millions of people out of work with no future or any hopes of a future, because people like you literally betray them in favor of spending a dollar less on whatever piece of junk it is you're buying, while at the same time pulling the pieces out of the jenga puzzle that is any functioning economy.
If you wanna know why Trump is going to win in a landslide, it's because of mentalities like yours that have robbed an entire class of people of their ability to even survive in this country. I'm half shocked there hasn't been a revolution as it is.
"Predictions" aren't facts, fucknut.
Nobody knows how many illegals are here, and they won't because it's real life impossible to know because there's no means to measure it accurately, and anyone that claims to the contrary is lying.
>Implying they are not vassals to Celestia
This will great, let the horsepussy be feared amd fall back to 4chan
There was a Diaspora on the fandom, us horsefuckers are on /mlp/ and bronies went to reddit/tumblr
>"World reknowned billionaire real estate tycoon on track to being one of 1 candidates for the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world is an idiot, according to reputable source anonymous on the My little Pony board of 4chen dot org"
If inferior cultures were eliminated then everyone born from then on would be superior.
That's not how economies work. Paying people more than they're worth doesn't make the economy better. Paying people to do unnecessary work doesn't make the economy better. Making things more expensive doesn't make the economy better.
Communism isn't going to work just because you add busy work to it. A job is nothing more than a component of a product, and a product must be sold at a profit in order to benefit the economy. A real job requires profit and profitability, otherwise it's just welfare and has a net negative impact on the economy. You'd literally be better off just handing those people freshly printed dollar bills and letting them buy cheap foreign products.
If people want jobs, there needs to be more opportunities for profitable business in the country, not more profit stolen by the government.
Paying citizens for work makes the economy better, yes anon.
Cheaper goods doesn't help anyone if huge chunks of the nation aren't employed, or are facing unemployment thanks to shipping all their traditional jobs overseas.
What a cop-out, this country was founded on protectionist policies as a manufacturing country, that's how we got rich in the first place. The very moment we started signing free-trade deals is when wages stopped increasing, purchasing power dropped, and all the jobs that built the middle class vanished.
Free enterprise should benefit America, and there's plenty of means to ensure that it does, but once you remove any and all protections to safeguard our national wealth and prosperity then you've essentially signed our death warrant as a country, because there's literally no reason for the manufacturing states to stay in the union at this point when people like you crush their ability to survive.
Yeah it does.
Economically, the concept of legal vs. illegal immigration doesn't exist. A laborer is represented by their cost and their produce. And a laborer who produces more, or costs less, is economically beneficial.
Only government intrusions make immigration an issue. I don't see "they don't pay taxes (ie. the government isn't robbing them properly)" to be a very compelling argument for eliminating a source of low cost labor.
The economy doesn't mean shit if the country it's based in collapses.
>hurr durr why not replace John Smith with Juan Gonzales-Carlito-Guadalupe-Juarez
>I'm colorblind and only hire the most cost efficient labor :^)
>Wow, what do you mean there's a working class rebellion? Wow, what do you mean there's 2 dozen states attempting to secede? Wow, what do you mean there's a riot at the factory? Don't these people know they're hurting the economy???
The benefit of a bigger profit is not greater than the unity of a nation
He is talking about well being of the people, having ilegals doing jobs for cheap while the locals have go unempolyed and need government handouts is not good forthe nation.
Is it wrong to want the country to be an actual nation?
My dream is to see everyone that attempts to infringe on gun rights sent to one of the African toilet countries.
You still aren't understanding - unemployment is better than employment that's just draining money from everyone who has a real job. Protectionism is literally the same thing as expanding public sector employment and welfare. Like I said, you're literally better off just giving people free money. If you're opposed to that, then logically you should be opposed to protectionism.
>Hurr durr, John Smith is a Marxist SJW, but at least he's also a whiny white moron who wants a $20 minimum wage. Thanks Obama.
If we're worrying about that, we should be deporting leftists before we ever worry about foreigners.
Now that's a policy I'd support.
>Protectionism is literally the same thing as expanding public sector employment and welfare
That's completely retarded, what the fuck?
Protectionism is about ensuring that the actual citizens of this country can find work, and not be undercut by people living in the gutters of whatever desperate third world will work themselves to death for a few cents.
The deal is that if you're want to operate in America then you have to favor American workers. You wanna go to China and work there? Then leave, nobody will miss you, and good luck getting your goods into America.
By the way, this is basically how China operates. You think they aren't protectionist as fuck? Yeah right, all we do is send them money and we get nothing in return but rampant unemployment and stagnating wages with most of the country on the verge of bankruptcy should they incur a minor unexpected cost.
Yeah that sounds like a healthy economy that's totally not going to implode from the bottom up.
I think the reason I like what he's doing is because it's just making the public more aware of what politicians always have done, stand on a podium and tell people lies exaggerating what they can do so people support them. He's just boosting it 10 fold and it's funny that people act this way about him even though it's been happening for forever.
>unemployment is better than employment that's just draining money from everyone who has a real job
Err, and thats exactly what handouts do, and what you mean by real job?
Free trade is good for underdeveloped countries whitch is not the case of the USA.
I've been explaining the situation over and over.
I'll try to make it even more simple for you.
An American is buying a product.
They can buy product A, made by Americans, that costs more.
Or they can buy product B, made by Hondurans, that costs less.
If you force them to buy A for whatever reason, then the net difference represents an additional expense exchanged for zero value.
That money is given to an American worker - who is making a product that is not necessary, because it already exists for less.
Hypothetical situation: instead of making people spend extra money for the benefit of American laborers, you just tax them the same amount and give it to the unemployed. The American consumer sees the same expense. The unemployed welfare recipient gets money - but also has lots more free time, which they could use for enjoyment or for some actual work that provides economic benefit.
Protectionist policies are literally welfare. The jobs are an illusion - a smokescreen so that you don't see what's really going on. You are being forced by the government to give up your money to someone else for no benefit - that is welfare, period.
And saying "China is protectionist" is at best an argument against protectionism, not for it.
Nigga, he got stumped recently
I'm trying to wrap my mind around how retarded this is, so give me a moment.
Okay, so basically the US has built itself up as a manufacturing country that prided itself on granting it's workers the highest quality of life in the world, the American dream if you would, where a single man could support an entire family on 1 paycheck. This was the global ideal.
Now, we're traded that in so that the heads of corporations can send all their factories and means of production overseas, which makes the cost of goods cheaper. Now the cheaper cost of *some* goods get passed on to the American worker that now no longer can support their families, or themselves, on their newfound low wages, drastically cutting the purchasing power of their households, which encompasses every family under the upper middle class, who see a net gain to this because their employment is relatively unaffected, which is becoming less the case as H-1B visas get bigger.
So by selling out everyone who didn't make it into a certain wage tier with jobs that are unaffected by globalization, (none), we now have cheaper products that fewer people can buy because they no longer have the wages to afford them, but oh it's offset because we opened our doors to as much immigration, legal or otherwise, as the population itself never wanted so support these practices. So to offset this we need a gigantic welfare state to just hand people money so they can buy the products in question and maybe not die, so they can feed into the economy and sustain it until they vanish in favor of a more malleable ethnic group that might not get up and murder the people who are responsible for all of this.
This makes sense to you?
>a more malleable ethnic group that might not get up and murder the people who are responsible for all of this.
Just use guns. Seriously, that's why we have them. Crush shit like that violently if need be.
I assume that Trump is the last legal stand against this.
If he doesn't get in and fix it I just assumed there would be a civil war or a fragmentation of the union or something.
American literally cannot stand like this.
>oy vey goyim, employing you is basically welfare!
>I can't be wasting money on you when Dong Ching Fung will work for 1/10th the price!
>It's for your own good, in the end
Honestly, I think a peaceful disunion of the US into several states that share a customs union or something similar. What different regions want is just too different. It was a good experiment but countries probably shouldn't be this large anyway.
>Wanting to enable some kikes that abuse American infrastructure and consumer base at it's own expense
But creating an enormous welfare state to sustain the population that can't exist under those policies is small government, right amigo?
Corporations are totally free to move to China and never come back if they want.
>Hypothetical situation: instead of making people spend extra money for the benefit of American laborers, you just tax them the same amount and give it to the unemployed
Retarded and gay.
Well then they can fuck off and get robbed by China who will steal their technology and software, as actual American companies fill the void they leave. as our consumer base isn't going anywhere and there will be ample demand for goods and services :^)
Did you guys read this steaming pile of autism?
Apparently there's a gay atheist neo-nazi who wants to use bronies to spread White Nationalism or something. He sounds so much like your average /pol/ retard that it makes me think he probably lurks there.
Thats just wanting a gorvernment who defends the it's whole people and dont let them run loose making profit only for themselves and screwing the rest of the population, big government is whole lot of policies in various topics.