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Compare/contrast Friendship is Witchcraft and the Mentally Advanced Series. What sets them apart from each other?
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One is good and one is cringe.
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>>19160738
Care to elaborate?
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>>19160724
FiW has a higher production quality and better music, but the jokes are dumber. MAS characters actually have depth and the jokes have layers. All in all, they're both entertaining, but MAS isn't for everyone and FiW feels shallow after a while.
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>>19160724
Only similiarity.

Spike is the Meg of FiW, Fluttershy is the Meg of MAS
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>>19160724
One relies on lots and lots of rapid-fire dialogue, the other on absurd situations.
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>>19160881
>Better music

If by that you mean half assed 30 second clips.
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Both only have a single worthwhile character.
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Almost forgot, saved this for future generations:
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/6xal2awm92vko05/Sherclop_Pones_PSA__Stand_Against_Bullying_-_YouTube.mp4
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>>19161463
>Not posting the full version with the super emotional and touching Mando song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0o3K75lcZs
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>>19162349
Didn't save that one. And it is 360p. Which is not a big deal, but it still a deal.
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>>19161143
Cutie mark acquisition... program?
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>>19160724
I tried watching a episode of Mentally Advanced but it was too _______boring.__
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>>19162558
>Mentally Advanced
>not getting the hint

Captcha: intelligence
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>>19162644
You must love The Big Bang Theory.
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>>19161143
Is it the same character?
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>>19162658
it was a joke, silly goose
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FiW was good for the first few episodes, then it just started to focus too much on dark and edge. Incest being forced into your face for a whole 20 minutes isn't funny, it's redundant.

MAS got better after the first few episodes, and then went into a sharp decline in humor for the more recent ones.
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FIW sucks, and MAS is good

FIW is a parody series, MAS is an abridged series.

FIW's characters are all "LOL XD SO RANDUMB" shit that brony faggots like, while MAS characters are at least somewhat based on the show.
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>>19162558
Don't start with the first one. The background music is way too loud. It picks up in quality after episode 3 or 4.
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>>19162800
I watched the one that used the episode Bridle Gossip. Was that the first?
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Some many mad MAS fans in here...
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I enjoy both series. FiW is a more conventional send up of the show, relying on either extreme accentuation of one of a given character's canon traits (e.g., Rainbow Dash) or ironically turning a character on its head (e.g., Fluttershy). The music is competent in both composition and execution from a strictly musical as well as comedic standpoint, akin to Weird Al in that respect. Sherclop has shown an admirable amount of creativity within the confines of using (occasionally augmented) footage from the show, building elaborate subplots and rich subtexts with only dialog and clever editing to pull off the trick.

MAS is another animal playing a different game entirely. It's a more ambitious series, and accordingly takes itself and its audience more seriously. Not content to be a mere send up in the vein of FiW, MAS explores the (il)logic of the show through compelling reimaginings of the characters. Greg is a smart guy and uses the series as a platform to work in not just jokes, but to use comedy as a vehicle for addressing relevant social and philosophical issues, at least as much as you can expect from a pony parody. Musically, I actually prefer the quirky, weird songs and background music in MAS over the polished songs of FiW. MAS is more likely to go unappreciated or fly over people's heads, but it's a more rewarding series for those that can keep up.

tl;dr FiW is to Family Guy what MAS is to South Park
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I find the other pony projects the MAS guy works on to be better, maybe its just down to an art style change. Both series at least have the catchy music quota way above the mark.
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Greg is funny but I can't shake the feeling something is extremely wrong with him.
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>>19163337
I know, he's super chill and pretty funny but I get this weird feeling. Kinda like when you shit in a toilet that isn't your home toilet, it's that feeling.
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>>19160724
MAS>FIW

Not sure why, but as much as I love both of them, Mentally Advance Series wins by like a small percentage.
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>>19163446
hope you don't mind, but what you said was so deep I decided to keep it forever..
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>>19160724
witchcraft is like simpsons, and mentally advanced is like ... idk south park? no good comparisons
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>>19163337
>>19163446
Wanna discus some politics? Alone?
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>>19163258
The whole "quirky weird" quality in MAS's music is probably why there's very few fan remixes of those compared to FiW's But to be fair, do we really need as many remixes of Sinking Ships or Workin' on My Twerkin' as we have of Gypsy Bard or Pinkie's Brew? I'm actually glad there isn't.
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>>19162349
>not posting the 720p version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyiAXGdooOc

>>19161111
Nice numbers :^).
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I like FIW more, but I do like the mentally advanced series, or at least some of the aspects because I lost interest before watching all the episodes.
Also the songs of FIW: it'll be okay, sister applejack are very good.
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>>19162663
>not knowing the difference between Thrackerzod and Sweetie Bot

kill you'reself
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>>19160724
FiW has one standout character (Sweetie Bot) and everything else is shit.

MAS has one standout character (Hootaloo) and everything else is good
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The difference is in the fans.

MAS fans constantly talk shit about FiW, mad because the guy behind FiW was the guy they kicked off the MAS team, yet he has more fans.

FiW fans appreciate humor in general.
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>>19165622
>MAS fans constantly talk shit about FiW, mad because the guy behind FiW was the guy they kicked off the MAS team, yet he has more fans.
Wot. I know there's a lot of weird drama, but wot.
>The difference is in the fans.
Agree with this though, MASfags shittalk FiW constantly.
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>>19162740
>FIW's characters are all "LOL XD SO RANDUMB"
>MAS characters are at least somewhat based on the show

You seem to have gotten it the wrong way around there sir

Also, everyone who is a fan of MAS seems to always complain about how much FiW sucks, but I never see it the other way around much
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>>19165837
As a FiW fan, I am too busy enjoying and rewatching FiW to whine about MAS
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>>19165837
As much as I agree about that MAS fans shit on FiW and you rarely see it the other way around, how in the flying fuck are any FiW characters even slightly based off the show?
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>>19164453
>only eating one Dorito
dat self control
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>>19165533

HootaBot/ThrackerLoo OTP.
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>>19165837
>I never see it the other way around much
They're too busy enjoying shit
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>>19165914
>Twi
Sees Celestia as a mentor (even if it's obsessive and unwanted), possesses leadership skills (even if it's mostly through other characters being scared of her)
>RD
Brash and self confident, kinda dumb (taken to full retard level)
>Pinkie Pie
Chatty and happy-go-lucky
>Fluttershy
Works with animals I guess?
>Rarity
Fashonista, dramatic
>AJ
Hard working manual labor farmer Southerner (turned into belligerent redneck caricature)
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>>19160724
One has shitty audio.
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>>19163626
i bet he wipes his ass standing up
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>>19165979
Mah nigga.
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i never watched any of MAS beyond episode 1 because i thought it was awful... but fiw has also put out some shit episodes *cough* Snowblind *cough* and reading this thread makes me want to give mas another go

also i feel Fiw is going along the lines of Phineas and Ferb--very formulaic (not as much as Phineas and ferb but still very), and the popularity of the first song pushed a lot of attention and expectation in future music/songs. not necessarily good
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>>19166338
MAS episode 1 wasn't very good because the characters were still inchoate. After the first couple episodes, the characters became consistent and the series became very clever up until episode 12, at which point Greg stopped making them.

A couple months ago, Greg began making new episodes of MAS, and the reboot has been significantly less witty than the original MAS series, though still largely enjoyable. The most recent MAS had some nice subtle character development, though to appreciate that one would have had to watch all the other episodes with care.
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To me the difference is effort. One just puts in a lot more effort than the other. Rainbow Dash Presents was OK with its low quality and bad voice acting because it was spoofing the absurd in the first place. The mentally advanced series however is very poor for an abridged series. I don't like it for the same reason I didn't like ultra fast ponies. There's just not a lot of effort put into the production.
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>>19167016
True, the production is minimal, but for many episodes the script is very clever.

As other anons said, episode 1 is poor and the reboot (episodes 13 onward) is of lower quality, but episodes 2-12 are very clever. The characters are intricate in subtle ways and their dynamic and wit well-crafted.
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>>19160881
you're kidding, right? MAS is just edgy "Ohhoho Rarity is a slut" bullshit. Friendship is Witchcraft has far greater continuity and depth.
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The only answer: both are shit
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>>19167096
You couldn't be more wrong about MAS. The thing that's impressive about MAS is precisely its continuity, intricacy, and world-depth (excluding MAS episode 1).
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>>19167120
nope. friendship is witchcraft has continuity like in the raising of the dead and all that shit (it's been too long to remember most of the details now tbh). MAS is just crappy.
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>>19167102
absolutely based answer
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>>19167096
The only 'depth' FiW has are the bits about Pinkie's parents and anything Sweetie Bot.
As for cotinuity, the only examples of that I noticed are those obnoxious wah wah trumpets, the thing with the portals, the annoying eye candy 'joke' and Twilight becoming Princess of the night.
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>>19167096
I always thought she is a slut because she couldn't get sexually satisfied because stallion endurance was shite. She also shows a little bit of neurotic behavior, which doctors in the victorian era cured with a good old fashioned fingering.
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>>19167161
*continuity
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>>19167150
For those who can't see any depth in MAS, if you're interested in understanding some of what MAS-fans see in it, here is a thread in which Petirep breaks down MAS's Twilight in some detail. The depth in MAS can be subtle to many due to being masked by the characters' callous repartee, but it is salient beneath or through it, and this dynamic is precisely what many MAS fans enjoy.

http://archive.heinessen.com/mlp/thread/S16833598#p16855404
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>>19165533
Hootaloo came from MAS? I thought it was from RainbowDash Presents.
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>>19167201
MAS and RDP are based in the same world and have the same characters.
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>>19165533
I appreciate MAS for very different reasons (and I find Hootaloo to be the most 1-dimensional character in MAS), but I respect your opinion.
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>>19167178
I tried reading that. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

The very post that you linked to reads like a fanfic that's edgier and more tryhard than 60% of the entire Conversion Bureau collection.
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>>19167219
I didn't say the rest wasn't good and I like the other stuff too but for some reason I just find Hootaloo absolutely hilarious.

That being said, the dog and pony show one just might be my favorite MAS episode.
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>>19167222
I don't know what you're trying to say, but I appreciate that you gave it an attempt.

The MAS/RDP world is, beneath the bitter humor, a fairly dark one ruled by a Machiavellian God-Leader. It's one reason all of the characters are so bitter. They often employ Orwellian double-speak. It's horribly unfair to dismiss it as edgy, which refers to being edgy for the sake of being edgy. You may as well dismiss 1984 as edgy.

>>19167248
Hah, again, we have opposite tastes on MAS. That is probably my least favorite MAS episode.
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>>19167248
(>>19167280)

But, the different types of humor and character/world-dynamics that Greg employs to appeal to different people and audience-demographics, all woven tightly together in script in such a way that different people can get very different things out of it, is one of the more impressive aspects of MAS/RDP, and something that makes it all the better.
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>>19167280
Well at the very least I think we can agree that the majority of MAS is at least good.
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Mentally Advanced series is based more on dialogue jokes than the actual visual jokes.
I often just listen to the audio from Mentally Advanced Series and take it as an audio show really, it doesn't remove from the enjoyment at all. Pinkie Pie in mentally advanced series is funny as all hell and the characters have actual depth and original personalities

Friendship is Witchcraft is based mostly on anti-humor where you laugh in a way as "Oh my god I can't believe they just joked about that" and their show has more bland explained jokes.
>"Whoa whats that?!"
>"Thats a treet"


Personally I like them both for different reasons
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>>19167346
This anon gets it.
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>>19167319
This guy gets it.
MAS has the best of both worlds.
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>>19162349
Just the way they talk makes me giggle.
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>>19162658
Holy shit this is the worst insult I have ever heard in my life.
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>>19167392
It's all fun and games until you live with someone who does
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>>19160724
Nothing, they're both tryhard, pretentious, unfunny, heaps of shit.
>inb4 "y-you just don't get it, 2deep4u!1!!1"
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>>19167447
I'm sorry anon. I'll light a candle for you when you eventually kill yourself
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>>19167457
That's all well and good, Anon. But it is only...

an opinion.
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I actually like Silver Spoon Escapes from Camp Energy funnier than anything else they have ever made
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>>19167540
I love SS in the main series (and the main series in general) but could never get into Camp Energy or Kimi Sparkles
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>>19160724
Sexy booty.
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>>19167457
>being this defensive right off the bat
Who's pretentious again?
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>>19163337
>>19163446

>finding flaws with this perfect specimen

Get out

Greg for president, 2016
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>>19163258
What social and philosophical issues does it discuss. Since that is a bold claim I demand elaboration
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>>19167178
And then someone came in and pointed out how Twi in MAS is actually a dhit character with no agency who just kinda ponders what is wrong with her but never applies it in an interesting way
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>>19168097
She never wonders what's wrong with her, and the entire evolving dialogue of MAS is an interesting application of the characters.
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>>19167096
>Friendship is Witchcraft has far greater continuity and depth.
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To both MAS and FiW fans:

Here is a third series that I think is rather under-appreciated, and as different from MAS and FiW as they are from each other.

Don't let the name of the series fool you; the creator gave it that name years ago before the term acquired its embarrassment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK2BsSPKjU
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>>19168147
No, it's just a practice in diversions and posing questions that aren't going to be answered.
And are not at all profound if left unawanswered.

There's no mystery to MAS twilight so that allure is out, and depth is defined by having complex emotions and motivations.
Her emotions aren't terribly complex and she has no real motivation
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>>19164453
Jenny is qt.
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>>19168197
In recent episodes we're progressively seeing more of her character unveiled, and also seeing it evolve. The art of MAS is in the presentation, not what it presents.
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>>19168222
Well... This was about how complex MAS twilight is so you just conceded I was right to point out how retarded that was
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>>19168197
Also, I would argue that she does have complex emotions and motivations. She certainly isn't predictable, but at the same time is far from arbitrary. This entails complexity.
>>19168235
See above.
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>>19168240
Okay. Explain.

This is like Pinkiefags and shit analysts thinking episode after episode about how Pinkie is sad when she cannot make people happy is super complex.
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>>19168269
You already engaged Petirep in this exact conversation. You're insufferable, and are just looking for an argument.

http://archive.heinessen.com/mlp/thread/S16833598#p16855729

I'm not Petirep, but I was in that thread.

I'm going to copypaste what he wrote:

"I see what you're saying, but I think you're missing some of her more subtle elements. The times she's shown actual wit in a task she had no real need to otherwise, and her desire to take command. These are other factors of her character.

It is possible we have different qualifications of what makes a character complex i guess. I tend to view any character with realistic responses and multiple facets to their personality and motivation as complex. It also helps when elements of the character are left vague and unexplored as well.

In my opinion, Twilgiht meets these qualifications. I always enjoy her character being explored."

Now, a nice example of her character being explored and developed is the most recent episode in which, for the first time, she is almost nice to Fluttershy. The way in which that developed was very interesting.
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>>19168269
(>>19168309)
And in your response to Petirep in that discussion, you actually defended FiW's Rarity as an example of a character with depth! It was frankly completely absurd.

You and I live in completely different worlds, and you have already demonstrated that no discussion on the matter will go anywhere.

So, goodnight.
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>>19168334
I have never seen FiW so no. Nice try
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>>19168309
>realistic responses
Okay. Pretty much all characters should be genuine to life on some level

>multifaceted
And what are her facets?
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>>19168372
Then my apologies; you sounded just like the guy in that thread. I'm still skeptical; you used the exact same phrases, but if you're not he, then I still refer you to that thread and it's exhaustive discussion on the matter of MAS Twilight's character depth.

Discussion bypassed.
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>>19168392
*its
Autocorrect..
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>>19168379
So, >>19168392 applies to you as well. There was already an exhaustive discussion on this, and if we discussed we would only recapitulate that thread.
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>>19168392
Just explain her facets since that's where this is breaking down.
I just see a pony is amazingly antisocial nearly to the point of cruelty because of Celestia becoming less cruel
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>>19168418
What you just said makes no sense. That's not only a misrepresentation, but completely false. I don't know what series you're watching.
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>>19168430
Is that not what she is in MAS? Life controlled by Celestia, path dictated to her and it has made her rather mean as a result from implied abuse
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>>19165659
>Wot. I know there's a lot of weird drama, but wot.

they were collaborating and one of the MAS guys (don't remember which one) posted a comment about how women aren't funny or their most valuable asset is their body something like that

jenny from sherclop got very buttmad and forbid griffin from ever associating with those misogynists again

and that's the story
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>>19168471
But Celestia hasn't become less cruel. Just more twisted.

But really, if that's really all you got out of MAS's Twilight, then let's just respect that we fundamentally have perspectives so incommensurable that we may as well be watching different series, and move on.
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>>19168195
>earliest one is from 2013

No, the embarrassment was already well in place. Horseshoes just didn't care, which makes him even more based.
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>>19167161
>The only 'depth' FiW has are the bits about Pinkie's parents and anything Sweetie Bot.

you have to give them one thing however: a whole bunch of shit they did in FiW later showed up on the actual show

gypsy pinkie pie

twilight becoming a princess

there were a bunch more I forget
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>>19168529
Gypsy Pinkie, Shining Armor, Princess Twilight, Dog Spike.
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>>19168510
Oh, I missed a comma. I meant to say Twilight is becoming less cruel

Quit being evasive. If you can't explain your position and back it up then just admit you can't
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>>19168529
Although I don't care for FiW that much, you make a fair point.

My favorite was in their Horse Women trailer (I think) when Rainbow said 'let's start a rock band!'
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>>19168540
I'm going to give you the courtesy of letting you know I'm going to sleep now rather than leave you hanging. I enjoy discussions, but I don't like arguing. You win. Goodnight.
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>>19168016
Greg pls go somewhere else to masturbate
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>>19168493
I thought it was something like, if you're gf isn't sucking your dick, then she's not being a woman
I agree with Jenny
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>>19160724
MaS has funnier more subtle jokes and progressively ramps up in quality, while FiW has dumber jokes and only 2 good episodes.
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>>19167319
>all woven tightly together in script in such a way that different people can get very different things out of it

which is an indicator of art btw
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>>19168717
3deep5me
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>>19168659
>while FiW has dumber jokes

FiW mocks the actual show, and entertainment aimed at girls in general.

it's why they kept hitting on things that later showed up in the show I think. they have a lot of experience with the genre.

jenny has been following mlp since gen 1. and her and griffin both watch the "teen wolf" kind of programming and enjoy it

that said one thing I don't like about FiW and sherclop in general is how they shit on established fanon. lyra's interest in humans for example. they're arrogant and condescending to others creations' when they're doing the same thing.

see jenny's kimmy sparkle reviews. she's pretty cruelly mocking other reviewers. and her collab with that other girl reviewer only highlights it. comes off as charity. very gross

sherclop are arrogant hypocrites.

MAS is more doing its own thing, commenting on social phenomena not even related to mlp
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>>19168751
One still exist (MAS)
One died like pinkies parents (FIW)
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>>19160724
The fact that MAS is better sets them apart.
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>>19168195
Well, the topic isn't about that since our god Horseman does everything better than everyone else. Pinkie episode is the best.
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>>19160724
witchcraft is all out insanity with complete disregard for any plot.
m.e.s. at least follows the episode order.
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>>19168526
that's just reupload, if I remember right
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>>19168526
Original was on Drowning in Footwear.
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