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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae33SmICsn0&feature=youtu.be

>Three-tone shading in a TV anime isn't dead

I mean put aside the fact that Kabaneri is a total fucking "we-want-that-sweet-Titans-dosh" fest, holy shit this looks (visually) nice with those glorious Haruhiko Mikimoto character designs

Too bad all I'm gonna be thinking about is SnK
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> WIT Studio

You mean "we already have that sweet Titans dosh."
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>>13865724
Sorry, that was supposed to have an "again" at the end of dosh
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>>13865712
>this looks (visually) nice
>dat shit CG
>everything is gloss
>Like Kitazume Mikimoto got worse at the turn of the century
>WIT

This is the kind of stupid shit I expect from /a/
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>>13865745
>i dont know what i'm talking about
And you use a reaction pic
Who's the /a/ here?
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>>13865712
Constant three tone shading looks overdone. It should be used with discretion. Just because something has more colors doesn't mean it's better.
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Whether the show is good or bad, there's no way we're getting a single decent thread for this show.
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wait, isn't this the show people are hoping mutates into a geasswreck because of Okouchi on writing?
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>>13865712
I dont know who this egoist is but i must admit i wasnt interested until that music kicked in
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>>13865809
What are you talking about, greasy three-tone shading regardless of light source always looks better 100% of the time and never looks bad ever and is the only accurate way to gauge art quality.
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>>13865812
We shouldn't be getting fucking ANY. It's not /m/.
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>>13865816
People were hoping IBO would be a trainwreck with Okada, but we got the opposite
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>>13865809
>Constant three tone shading looks overdone.
Really? You're saying this on /m/, the board that worships the 80s/90s OVAs like no one's business?
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>>13865828
>implying
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>>13865821
To really understand what Egoist is, you have to go to where it all began and watch Guilty Crown.

It's a virtual band that originated from that show, whose lead singer is the lead female in that show. Which is weird because she's dead in that show, but I guess that's Inori the Guilty Crown character as opposed to Inori the singer character.

I guess it's like Moonwalker. But without Mecha Jackson beating up druglords and instead it's Japanese Jesus failing to get crucified.
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>>13865712
>with those glorious Haruhiko Mikimoto character designs
Mikimoto hasn't been good in years, why do you think he doesn't design shit for Macross anymore?
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>>13865712
>MUH SHADING
Faggot
>Mikimoto
Double faggot
>WIT
Triple faggot
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>>13865837
>Red Juice

when are we getting more anime with glorious Red Juice character designs?
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>>13865882
We just did. Its called Empire of Corpses
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>>13865712
>Look up Script Writer/Series Composition
>Was in charge of Valvrave, Code Geass and Guilty Crown
NOPE.
NOPE.

FUCKING NOPE.

Everything else was fine till that.
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>>13865882
The Genocidal Organ film, whenever that comes out.

Would be down for a reboot of Guilty Crown though. I need more void ribbons in my life, preferably with a more coherent story this time around.
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>>13865837
>guilty crown
hahahahahahah
The ending to that was almost MGS4 tier
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>>13865828
>People were hoping IBO would be a trainwreck with Okada, but we got the opposite
a train thats stalled and never left the station? Also theres only one carriage and it came to the station hours late and you're stuck on it with about 20 kids, some of whom are shirtless for no reason and keep apologizing to you for being stuck on a train with human debris like them. He seems nice enough and no one else seems to have a problem with him, he must have some serious issues with hi self esteem. Also you're stuck sitting next to some rich looking bimbo who must have the same problem because she won't shut up about how bad she feels that she cant do anything about these poor oppressed orphans. You don't really get it because all the kids look really really happy and to be honest the thing thats worrying you most of all are the train are the adults. There are some freaky looking dudes on this train, there's a guy with a hitler moustache and two huge guys that dont even look himan. Its the well dressed guys at the back thats really bothering you though. One of them keeps muttering about wanting to kill the children, I mean I get that we've been stuck on this carriage which has barely moved with all these kids for fucking ages now but chill out man. And theres this one guy who's wearing this ridiculous wig, why? Its got to be a disguise, there's no way that this guy is not a watch list. Look at the way he's looking at those little girls! he's not even subtle about. It's probably time to get off the train, your watch is broken but its sunrise so another train is probably coming very soon.
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>>13865887
>>13865890
And Harmony.
Totally forgot about the Itoh film trilogy.

>>13865888
He wasn't in charge of Guilty Crown, he was just one writer who wrote a small fraction of the show. His biggest crime was being one writer on a show with way too many writers.

Valvrave is shat on for no reason other than being Valvrave despite it being a surprisingly strong instance of gothic horror in the mecha genre, show doesn't deserve the meme that was piled up on it.

Code Geass, well ok you got me there. Code Geass is a ride and a half but melodramatic viewer hooks are an Okouchi specialty.

At any rate
>getting tilted by Okouchi's soap operatic writing
>posting onebaldman
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>>13865911
Everything about Guilty Crown is MGS4 tier. You have these nuggets of a good show drowned in a pile of words that don't really go anywhere, and while it looks amazing from a visual standpoint the narrative is just trash.
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>>13865916
Not him, but
>Defending Valvrave
Look, maybe it tried to do the Gothic horror thing, but it fell so fucking flat, and if you think that was at all the most significant thing about the show you must have some exceptionally good blinders on.
>>13865927
This. GC is gorgeous. Its setting is top notch, but the show is just very meh. Concept was really enjoyable too.
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>>13865712
Shiki 2 the electric boogaloo?
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>>13865932
>GC is gorgeous. Its setting is top notch, Concept was really enjoyable too.
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>>13865888
>Everything else was fine till that.
>Araki
>WIT
>Sawano
>fine

Really faggot?
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>>13865916
>He wasn't in charge of Guilty Crown, he was just one writer who wrote a small fraction of the show. His biggest crime was being one writer on a show with way too many writers.
He wrote 6 episodes for the show and also was dual in charge of Series Composition. That makes him the second most contributing writer by default, he is most definitely responsible by a large part.
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>>13865916
>He wasn't in charge of Guilty Crown, he was just one writer who wrote a small fraction of the show.
He's the co-series composition and wrote half the fucking episodes.
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>>13865943
I'll cede 2 out of those three things, but the animation was very competent.
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>pure undiluted Okouchi without any quirky directors to piggyback on
He's not going to let anyone catch their breaths from all his reveals this time around, won't he?
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>>13865932
I disagree with it falling flat. The only way it fell flat is if you were there for the thrills and trainwreck culture.

Show had a theme (lies are bad, cooperation is good), delivered it in a package that manages to be both derivative (very evocative of gendum at times) and unique (gothic horror angle is a rarity in mecha), and while it wasn't the most enjoyable ride in terms of per week pacing it managed to cross off enough items on the shit-I'm-down-with checklist to earn my approval.

And I am an absolute diva when it comes to entertainment of all kinds.

Show just worked. There's a surprising bit of depth in its writing to pick at that the two years of Valvraging covered up (duality of the narrative, the theme of truth, the gothic conventions utilized in what initially appeared to be a setting more in line with Gundam), or at least that's how I feel, but at the same time it can be enjoyed as very straightforward popcorn entertainment.
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>>13865916
>Valvrave despite it being a surprisingly strong instance of gothic horror in the mecha genre
In what fucking regard?

Maybe if they had gone all out with the vampire concept but they don't even suck blood and the concept is completely dropped halfway through to provide an reason for the pilots to have tragic deaths
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>>13865960
>pure undiluted Okouchi without any quirky directors to piggyback on
That was Valvrave
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>>13865955
>but the animation was very competent.
Right....
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>>13865969
Except maybe that one episode that did have Kou Matsuo channel his inner Disney, but you're right. I'm saying even moreso this time.
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>>13865951
>>13865953
6 of 22

All he did was Okouchi up a show that either should've been Okouchi from the getgo or not Okouchi at all. The bigger issue was 4 fucking writers playing tug of war with each other so you go from comfy friendship adventures to HURF DURF ENJOY SURVIVING QUARANTINE with a dash of Jin Haganeya brand eldritch conspiracy.

If it was just Okouchi, or even better if it was just Haganeya, show would've been far better for it. Writing was fucking all over the place and the show kept having identity crises due to too many writers.
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>>13865975
Yet something like this from Bones will get sucked off to eternity for being "stylized"
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>>13865982
bones does itanos way better than this,just look at E7
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>>13865960
>without any quirky directors to piggyback on
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>>13865915
Nice pasta
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>>13865949
Araki is just a average director, there are far worse ones out there in the industry. There actually isn't enough to judge him on far as directorial duties go, just one bad series and one average series recently.

You can also get off your hipster Sawano hating bandwagon, that isn't actually going to do anything to the show itself.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say about WIT studio though.
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>>13865978
I Know You Are Hero In Your Life was great, go fuck yourself.

Every anime could do with an out of left field hilariously corny Kou Matsuo Singalong.
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>>13865979
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=26763

>Guilty Crown (TV) : Series Composition (associate)

I don't understand why is it so hard to except the fact that multiple different writers work on anime and not one sole person writes every episode AND UF YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THE SERIES COMPOSTION THAT MEANS YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT GETS FUCKING WRITTEN AND THE COURSE OF THE STORY. I swear I get so tired of arguing this with Butcherfags.
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>>13865916
>surprisingly strong instance of gothic horror

Of all the undeserved things people call Valvrave, this is one of those.
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>>13866004
yep its fresh, made with honest ingredients
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Jesus christ, does nobody care how much of a blatant SnK rip-off this seems to be? They're not even trying to cover it up.
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>>13866017
>associate (error note claims that "assistant" is a more appropriate translation)

You know who was primarily responsible for series composition?

Hiroyuki Yoshino.

You know how many episodes he wrote?

13.
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>>13866005
>Araki is just a average director,
No he's shit and has a lot of annoying tendencies associated only with him.

>There actually isn't enough to judge him on far as directorial duties go
Actually there is, you're just a fucking idiot who hasn't seen the bulk of his work.
>hipster Sawano hating bandwagon,
Yeah it has nothing to do that he hasn't been good for years and he continues to rehash the same shit from Unicorn over and over again. But I guess I'm a hipster for hating a hack.

>I'm not even sure what you're trying to say about WIT studio though.

The fact that they're inconsistent as hell and rush out shit leading to a sloppy product, they just started out three years ago and are already a parody of themselves.
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WIT -> WOW, IT'S TITANS
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>>13866026
>primarily
Wrong again dumbass, it was a team effort through both if them, Okouchi wrote the second most episodes so

1. He was not just a mere episode writer
2. He had a hand in the setting and characters
3. He was just as responsible for the fuck ups.
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>>13866033
>rehash the same shit from Unicorn over and over again

But he hasn't.
Shit, not being at all like Unicorn is his biggest problem. Most of his current shit is filled with techno, distortion, rapping, and so-on. It's practically the antithesis of what he did with Unicorn.
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>>13866046
Stupid fuck, are you an ESL?
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>>13865712
Where is the mecha?
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>>13866005
Araki is the Zack Synder of anime directors, he's pretty much infamous for his over the top style that clash heavily with what he's given.

Sawano is just shit now, you don't have to be a hipster to believe that you just need tastes.

WIT is also terrible.
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>>13866057
How else are you going to convey the gravitas of eating potato chips to the viewer?
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>>13866050
>But he hasn't.
He has unless yoy want to ignore everything he's done up to thus point.

>Most of his current shit is filled with techno, distortion, rapping, and so-on.

He's been doing that shit since before Unicorn newfag doesn't change the fact that there's tracks lifted from the Unicorn OST.
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>>13865712
>Shingeki no Zombies
>The fucking staff list

Nope. It's gonna be shit.
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>>13866063
By added lots of stills and speedlines.
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>>13866050
>Most of his current shit
His Sengoku Basara stuff was full of that shit and that was way before Unicorn.
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>>13866050
Attack on Titan is Unicorn 2.0, A/Z also has tracks lifted from Unicorn along with Seraph and Nanatsu. KLK is the only distinct work he's done since then.
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>Defending Araki
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>>13866070
but muh flavor dust explosion
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>>13866050
I feel like I agree with this guy>>13866079
I really like A/Z's OST personally, but objectively it sounds like remixed Unicorn.
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>>13865712

It's just me or the main character looks like Banagher with glasses?
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>>13865975
Replace that guy with a VF doing the exact same roll with the exact same number of frames and you'd be telling us it's the best ever.
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>>13866120
I'm not a Macrossfag so I wouldn't
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>>13866079
And Kill la Kill's OST was pretty bad
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>>13865916

>Valvrave
>Strong Gothic Horror

What. The first cour was slightly self-aware camp, VIOLATE notwithstanding.
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>>13866131
Sawano after Ao no Exorcist in general is bad.
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>>13866136
I do like his insert songs, when they aren't rapping.
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>>13866134
Don't let the lack of spoopy buildings fool you, it's there even in the midst of the campy lighthearted half.
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>>13865712
Onscreen masturbation in Code Geass
Prostitution in Guilty Crown
Rape in Valvrave

Let's take the bets for the new controversial scene in this new anime.
One of the girl will be gang raped then killed.
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>>13866120
except VFs actually move and thrust through missile itanos most of the time rather than staying still
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When did Sawano stopped trying?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxLijQvEa4

When he realized idiots would buy and praise his music regardless of quality?
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>>13866159
I don't think we've had a trainwreck touch on bestiality or necrophilia yet
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>>13866159
What is it with you and rape?
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>>13866168
I just read too much news about the current situation in Sweden & Germany

>>13866163
Xenoblade X had a few good tracks though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgudF-hVlDA
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>>13866159
Necro.

Enjoy your corpsefuck animu
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>>13866159
Necrophilia. Definitely necrophilia especially with zombies involved.
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>>13866204
>>13866180
>>13866164
Stop reminding me that S2 will never happen
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>>13866159
>Prostitution in Guilty Crown

Really? How interesting.
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>>13866224
This one's on my backlog,I forgot exactly why it is.
something about a slice of life going edgy outta nowhere right?
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>>13866234
The former class president whored herself out during the "Shuher" arc basically fucked her way to the top only to betray the MC and everyone in her class to join a cult for some dick surprisingly enough she didn't die
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>>13866024
>Jesus christ, does nobody care how much of a blatant SnK rip-off this seems to be
There isn't a single person both here or in Japan who doesn't realize how blatant it is.
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>>13866236
Yep, the main girl dies in the first episode and revive becoming a zombie. Mostly a slice of life/romance in the anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SB_jgLYAIs
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>>13865828
a snorefest?
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>>13866168
Gotta mine rapecoins somehow
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>>13866159
You forgot the rape in the 08th MS team novels that involved Kiki committing suicide by biting her tongue off and drowning in her own blood.
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>>13866321
Zeon propaganda
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>>13866112
Nigger that Edo period Max.
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>>13866147
Who gives a shit about her when >>13866385
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>>13866159
>Onscreen masturbation in Code Geass

Actually, it wasn't really on screen unless you could a person's head tilting up and down.

Also, fact of the matter is Yoshino wrote that episode (12). It was more funny than controversial anyway.

>Prostitution in Guilty Crown
Yoshino wrote most of that series.

>Rape in Valvrave
Okay, this one is fair.
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>>13866164
I think every time anime has included bestiality or necrophilia it has already been bad by default, so I dunno what your point it.s
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>>13866321
That one actually made sense, given that war rape is a very real problem in non-fiction.
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>>13866163
Sawano's music has never been good.
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>>13865888
If he actually wrote something else at least as good as Geass that wouldn't be much of an issue to be honest. But either he needs a decent director supervising him (not Tetsuro Araki) or is otherwise out of ideas, because his writing has gotten worse, not static. I hope that making Attack on Titan clones is easier for him though, given that's already edgy by default and people already watch/read that for shock value.
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>>13865712
It looks ugly despite the high production values.
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>>13866005
Problem is Araki has never made an original show (save GC), and directors are not limited to making shows look pretty, especially not when it comes to original anime. He has more input that simply moving the camera around, so to speak, but not the experience to use it. So far, at least
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>>13866046
シリーズ構成 - 吉野弘幸

副シリーズ構成 - 大河内一楼

He's officially the deputy/assistant/vice series composition, not the main one. Still makes him partially responsible, but not equally.
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>>13866063
His style worked for Death Note, but Attack on Titan suffered from it.
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>>13866264
It doesn't matter since even the SnK writer said he wanted to see more works in the same genre, which he didn't invent in the first place to be honest. End result, nobody is ignoring this being very similar in concept.
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>>13867108
Not sure how Attack on Titan suffered from it, if anything the manga was built on the same shock moments and grandiose skirmishes. If anything the series played to Araki's strengths >>13866057 actually nailed it with the Zack comparisson that the real issue is he is a one trick pony.

>>13866163
Pretty much after Unicorn the guy actually peaked with Unicorn Gundam. Guy was originally pretty decent way back when he was still doing music for live action TV dramas way before anyone heard of him. That was originally where he made his name anyway.

>>13867082
>But either he needs a decent director supervising him (not Tetsuro Araki) or is otherwise out of ideas, because his writing has gotten worse, not static.
You've nailed the real problem with Okouchi, this was amplified to a ridiculous amount with Valvrape when you pair Kou Matsuo arguably one of the worst directors in the business with him. Only way I think you could manage something worse is if you threw in Ei Aoki.

I'm convinced the only reason Code Geass turned out still bad but with a decent ending at least was down to Goro Taniguchi probably trying to rein him in. Seriously if you look at their works you'll find Goro is the far more consistent one in quality with CG as their only iffy work.

>>13867093
>Problem is Araki has never made an original show (save GC)
Probably the best point here, I'd just use this one show to really gauge his abilities, it's always easier to judge on original works.
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>>13867233
>Not sure how Attack on Titan suffered from it,
Not to defend AoT but the anime and manga have different tones. While the manga geared mainly towards mystery and shock horror (in the beginning) with the slow build the anime is a straight up dumb action movie with over the top melodrama in place to make things more exciting. Araki is all about overexaggeration in his works with his adaptations he takes one aspect of the original and makes it a centerpiece this is even the case with HOTD where he actually increased the sexual content hence matrix boobs (which was added in by a key animator but he pretty much encouraged all the staff to add in any perversions they want) and DN is a perfect example of how his over the top tendencies can clash with the source of material (potato chip, Light barking like a dog, swimming lessons, allegories to Jesus, etc.) and even his guest work on G-Reco felt different from the rest of the show >>13866088 Tomino has become somewhat of a prune when it comes to fanservice nowadays but its kinda funny that he approved of that scene and even more so that he praised Araki as a director.
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>>13866024
SNK author said he ripped off muv luv anyway and it's not like the premise of non-humans attacking human settlements etc is something original.
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>>13867356
In the case of DN, it was actually an improvement, I distinctly remember the second half of the manga being an absolutely snooze fest with walls of text talking about absolutely nothing.

I can see what you mean about AoT. If there was something I would've complained about was how he botched up the ending big time by suddenly giving Eren a powerup which went against everything the series had been building up and completely fucking up the cliffhanger.
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>>13867441
>by suddenly giving Eren a powerup which went against everything the series had been building up and completely fucking up the cliffhanger.
Yeah the last episode was really terrible my favorite piece is everyone abandoning Eren in the rubble telling him to "git gud faget" just so he could man up while in the manga he was already prepared to take down Annie before they left the tunnel.
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>>13865712
I'm not okay with 3D.
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>>13867408
>SNK author said he ripped off muv luv anyway

Well that explains how Eren has almost step for step the same character progression as Takeru.
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>>13865712
is this a spin off of attack on titans who is this /m/ again the trains? that's /o/
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>>13867704
> is this a spin off of attack on titans
No, completely different setting and characters. It just looks and sounds exactly like AoT.
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>>13865712
>A shit ass train
>No robots
>Just Micronized titans
Fuck this shits
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>>13869217
>shit ass train

I'LL KILL YOU.
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>>13867704
The main character looks a hell of a lot like King Gainer.
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>>13865712
Not /m/.
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>>13869169
>It just looks and sounds exactly like AoT.

a rip-off then
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>>13865712
jesus christ why is it that any thread that even mentions SnK is automatically a) full of shitposting and b) enormous

not even fucking the big three cause this much shit

also fuck off back to /a/
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>>13870793
shit anime attracts shitposters

but don't blame the shitposters, it's okay to pointing out the truth of how shit one show can be. it's all fair and square.
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>>13870795
no, shitposting is basically the cancer killing 4chan

if you think an anime is shit, don't fucking discuss it and don't fucking post in threads discussing it

don't be fucking valvrager
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>>13870793
It's popular, which means it attracts more people that can actually talk about it.
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>>13870798
This. If it's not your cup of tea, go discuss something that is.
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I'm still trying to figure out why this thread is even on /m/. It's not a mecha show, it's not a space opera, it doesn't have power armors, it doesn't even seem to have tanks or planes. Just one cgi train.

You want to bitch about /a/, maybe go to /a/. This show seems to have NOTHING to do with /m/.
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>>13872501
>This show seems to have NOTHING to do with /m/.

Barring /m/'s random, often overdone, hard-on for shading in anime.
But yeah, it's a really flimsy justification.
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>Sawano Hiroyuki
Is there anyone in the industry more exhausting to listen to than this hack?
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>>13867113
SnK is, if you think about it, a zombie mecha anime.
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>>13872501
Probably the fact that Haruhiko Mikimoto did the character designs.

Still, I wouldn't rule it out just yet. Going by the synopsis and trailer, there's actually several of these trains and they have a pretty big role in connecting the fortresses. The world is also steampunk as fuck.
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>>13865712
So is that a boy or a girl?
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>>13865712
I wonder what's up with the MC's gray hair in the key visual and part of the trailer.

>>13874239
That is most definitely a dude.
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>Three-tone shading in a TV anime isn't dead

Have ya'll forgotten about God Eater? Not that I blame you.
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