My opinion on dubs is that you will never be able to fully appreciate the Japanese track if you don't speak it, so theoretically with a perfectly translated and nuanced script an English dub has the advantage. However western dub actors are basically dog shit, (don't know why more regular cartoon voices don't try to get into it and save us from Vic McNignognoya's acting role #374062, they sound fine and I'd bet most have the range not to sound like their lolrandum character they usually play) and lots of dubs have too literal or too liberal scripts. The difference is great enough that missing out of a few subtleties of Japanese is preferable because you still have emotive, ranged voices and not as much overacting, and the English actors aren't subtle enough to add that kind of depth to a performance anyway. Cowboy Bebop is a good example of what happens when you put effort into a production. I think it's better than the Japanese but is unfortunately one of the very few things to ever have that title. Dubs are shit because 99% of them are shit, not because there is anything inherently wrong with them.
>>13859656 Nowadays Studiopolis and to a much lesser extent NYAV Post do this as well, and it shows because they usually put out top tier stuff.
It's really a matter of how much effort is put into it than who's necessarily in it though. Look at Funimation and Bang Zoom (both of which have a very insular set of regulars), the quality between the dubs where they give two shits and the dubs where they phone it in are like night and day.
Only newfag crossboarders from /a/ watch bebop in japanese. Spike and Faye's seiyu are somewhat poor casting choices whereas the English VAs fit the characters very well. I watch every other anime in Japanese but I compared the Bebop audio tracks when I went out to watch it to see what the big deal was, and it turns out it was a good decision. I've compared audio for many shows but bebop is the only one where I went with English. Hell even my Japanese friends watch bebop in english.
>>13859809 >Spike and Faye's seiyu are somewhat poor casting choices I haven't watched CB in years but I don't remember Yamadera or Hayashibara putting out bad performances. I don't favor CB's dub or sub more, but I find that a lot of casual fans will overwhelmingly prefer the dub of a series with lots of western influence (Baccano, Panty and Stocking, Hellsing) and put it on a pedestal.
I recently got around to watching Bebop in Japanese thanks to the BDs, and prefer it to the English dub. I wouldn't stop anyone from watching it dubbed, but I was honestly surprised how much more I enjoyed it. There's no turning back now.
Now I need to watch Big O in Japanese, just to see.
>>13860085 Always cancerous. Nobody who actually argues about it has an opinion that isn't hyper polar, so as a result the arguing is very cringeworthy. It's like the PC vs Console arguing on /v/ or YouTube or anywhere gaming culture exists. Each side's vocal members are fucking obnoxious. I watch dubs and subs, sometimes ones better than the other or i have an attachment to one or the other.
>>13860467 >putting aside the thing I'm about to bring up I can't believe there are people who watch non-/m/ show with a generally well liked dub anything but subbed Shit son, you can't just jump full force into fishing for (You)s like that. You have to start subtle, like mentioning Macross but replacing "Hikaru" with "Rick".
>>13860913 >Hearing Dub Asuka makes me want to die. Hearing any Asuka makes me angry, but the dub is particularly awful about it. I'm not entirely sure why, either; her VA did a pretty good job in some of her other work (Nadesico comes to mind).
I like it. It makes her seem like she's this horrible bitch and you shouldn't like her, where as JP Asuka has the typical tsundere voice that most people tend to blow off because "Oh ho she's mean to him how cute"
It really wasn't, alot of voices were terrible. But on the other hand I actually laughed at some of the delivery of the jokes, where as I never ever laugh at any lines in Japanese. Just the way they speak never registers as something that's supposed to be funny.
>>13860961 >I find that people who like dubs tend to The problem here is that you're pretending like you either "like dubs" or "hate dubs," which is really inconvenient when most people on 4chan only like specific dubs as opposed to watching anime dubbed as a rule.
>>13860961 Usually it's the opposite, actually, where the non-main characters are fucking fantastic while the protagonists are awful. Eureka 7, Gundam 00, Xam'd, Count of Monte Cristo, Dunbine and King Gainer are some good examples that come to mind.
>>13861010 >They usually hire good VAs for side characters and shitty VAs for main characters. No you fucking retard, that's not how it works. That's exactly how it is usually, actually. Main characters are usually shitty entrenched dub actors while side characters are people that actually get VA work outside of anime and aren't pre-jaded with their work so they don't phoneit in as hard as the main character VAs.
>>13860970 >>13860984 >>13861010 I think usually you are swayed by what you hear first. The only anime I've seen first dub-only was Last Exile and I still kinda find that dub to be alright, because at least the male lead doesn't sound like a fat woman.
>>13860913 I've always held the belief that the Eva dub is actually really well cast voice-wise but severely suffers from really shitty direction that scrubs away all the sublety of the Japanese track's character interactions and instead trys and fails to bring those subleties to the surface, making the whole thing really overacted. On the flip side of that however, since it was dubbed in chunks as the VHS's came out instead of all at once it's fascinating to hear how much the VA's acting ability improved by the end of the show. I also appreciate that Tiffany Grant's German isn't butchered as fuck unlike Yuko Miyamura's. EoE's dub is an absolute failure though, they were given way too much creative control which resulted in a shitty script and the ever infamous *watermelon splat*. The only thing worthwhile about it is it gave us "I'm so fucked up". Rebuild (1.11 and 2.22 anyways, you couldn't pay me to watch 3.33 again) suffers from these problems considerably less, partly because the actors have improved over the years and partly because Rebuild isn't terribly subtle to begin with.
>>13861087 >EoE's dub is an absolute failure though, they were given way too much creative control which resulted in a shitty script and the ever infamous *watermelon splat*. EoE's dub was literally done start to finish in like 72 hours. Some VAs recorded their lines over the phone.
iirc I've heard from whatsherface who voiced Dub Julia from Bebop and Yulia from Fist of the North Star Dub (she was also the Major in something I think) a big behind-the-scenes aspect of the dub is the directing and how much time they have for multiple takes, that you'll get very different results from even the same actors if they're working under a different director who's not as skilled at giving character motivations and stuff, and if there's no time allotted for retakes and stuff it'll hurt things a lot more
>>13861093 Literal phone or over an ISDN line? because the latter wasn't really uncommon back then, let you record in CD-ish quality, that's how Frank Oz recorded is lines for Yoda in Attack of the Clones.
>>13861103 Yeah, time definitely plays a big part. That's why Animaze and Coastal Carolina (guys who did Blue Sub No. 6) died, they spent the time to get each take right but since time is money that meant they were too expensive.
>>13859462 Preposterous. I literally never encountered an anime where voice acting would be low-quality enough to break my immersion, there poorly drawn shows or unremarkable music, but bad voice acting? Nope,never. The standards are pretty high, plus they record everything in the same room.
>>13861010 >You're right. They usually hire good VAs for side characters and shitty VAs for main characters. No you fucking retard, that's not how it works. Are you an idiot? Have you even seen/heard the examples I gave? Johnny Young Busch is a great Power Rangers but his kid voice is fucking annoying, and it just so happens he mainly voices kids. Most protagonists in mecha shows are young, while side characters are usually older in age, so the actors actually fit the role. It's not about a "good VA" versus a "shitty VA", there's no such thing - it's about how well they sound like the characters they portray.
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