Why don't you guys ever talk about Gundam X?
I just finished it, and it was god damn solid.
Gundam X thread
If you believe hard enough Gundam X will get half-decent Blue Rays one day.
We can shitpost about how terrible it is and how we're glad it was cancelled.
Or is it Gundam X praising time? I forgot.
Helping show appreciation for a extremely underrated Gundam series
I just want more Paula, man. The DX + G Falcon keeps appearing in the SRW Z games and I really want to see it expanded on. Even just one extra episode will do.
Love 'em or hate 'em, the Frosties are much better than IBO's "villians".
Let's face it: Most fansubs are far from perfect. Plus, normies usually don't trawl the internet enough to find illicit content much less unlicensed fansubs.
Gundam X never had a chance in the in West.
I guess just a lack of exposure. It's one of the least advertised shows in the series and doesn't have the luxary of being a part of the UC timeline, which would automatically draw people into watching it.
>Gundam X never had a chance in the in West.
Except it did, it totally did. All they had to do was air it on Toonami right after Wing had ended, we've had this discussion multiple times. Visually it looks just like Wing, especially in suit design. Kids would've eaten it up.
>Visually it looks just like Wing, especially in suit design. Kids would've eaten it up.
this is part of why it was unpopular in Japan though, the designs (especially the frost suits) were too similar for the show right after
Kids wouldn't have loved it because people loved how AWESOME the politics were and how COOL the MCs were. Wing wasn't nearly edgy or faux-deep enough and would have looked like a lame imitation of Wing.
>Kids didn't watch Wing just for mobile suit designs, man.
I don't know about you, but I didn't give a SHIT about Wing's politics as a kid, and that was the only genuinely interesting thing about the show in hindsight. I just cared about the heroes flying around and blowing shit up, which is why it was great that it aired in the same weekday block as dbz.
That's because you were a hidden mecha fan. You can't build an audience off of that. X just didn't have what Wing did, for better or for worse. It didn't grab the attention.
Plus everyone would have wondered where Wing's cast went. They would think it would be in the same universe.
>they'd think it's in the same universe
The first time I ever saw an ad for 0079 I thought it was some kind of weird sequel to Wing, the idea that there was an entire franchise blew my goddamn mind.
In the first 15 episodes we had the satellite cannon, newtype dolphins, the biggest mobile armour in all of gundam (it might have been later) and the battle at the lake
By episode 20 we had GX bits and underwater newtypes, and by ep 25 we had the hunt feddie newtype trials and the rebel states fighting
In IBO nothing has happened at all
It was also the fourth consecutive Gundam in Japan. They'd had a new episode of Gundam every god damn week for almost four years. It was visually similar to Wing, yeah, but if it had been the second aired in the US after Wing, it would have been more of one of the most popular airing shows on Cartoon Netowrk. The merchandising would have been almost as great as Wing.
Bullshit and that 4 series in a row fatigue excuse doesn't work. Wing was the 3rd of those 4 series and not only was it the most popular but it's one of the most popular Gundam series period. X was just a dud. G and V aren't that popular either.
Ok, actually fuck off.
Solid AU. Garrod was pretty based as a protagonist. Jamil was also pretty based. Wasn't a huge fan of the X's asymmetric backpack but the X Divider was amazing. Witz and Roybeau best homolust.
Haven't built any X gunpla apart from the Airmaster yet, but I'd like to. It's
[iddly as hell, would not recommend
As you have probably gathered from this thread, it's because while varying opinions of it exist none of them are all that strong. It's either Ok or Meh, not Amazing/Terrible.
Few people posting on /m/ have watched it all the way through, and we're the 'hardcore'. Personally I really liked it, Garrod was far more watchable as a protagonist than many Gundam leads and I feel having The Newtype as the deuteragonist was almost fresh.
Although, come on guy. At least post a picture of the actual Gundam X.
I love X a lot, but even I think its decision to spend the first dozen or so episodes having the Freeden fart around looking for Newtypes in order to better establish everyone wasn't the best idea.
I mean, we got stuff like Roybea and Witz's episode, but considering the outline of the show is literally "a whole bunch of mostly nothing - outright filler MotW as everybody upgrades - oh hey the plot started and now it's over"...
>Humanity is better than you think it is! Just wait and see! And emphasis on the wait there by the way cause shit's about to get Late UC as fuck.
>I watched humanity destroy itself, but then I watched it rebuild itself in the course of a single generation. Fuck your "Newtypes are the future" bullshit, humanity is great as is.
DOME was the man.
It's forgettable. I barely remember what happened in it. I know for sure that MC found his gundam underground and the series ended the same was it begun. Everything else is void, can't recall literally anything.
I just started watching it.
Jesus fucking christ I did not need this scene at 3 AM
The X and DX actually had to fight, unlike Wing and Wing Zero.
And Japan likes G now so maybe it just aired at the wrong time (or people weren't ready for something that suddenly wasn't UC).
The only time X outright jobbed was the first time trying to fight the Bertigo because he never fought a newtype wih funnels before.
The only thing I didn't like was DOME's logic that newtypes are bullshit because "you changed the future every time TIfa predicted it, Garrod".
DOME did it ever occur to you that being told about a bad future event will make you take steps to prevent it? That doesn't mean precognition is bullshit. it just means the future isn't immutable.
It's fun, the characters are enjoyable, nice character arcs that, unlike IBO, don't repeat themselves and drag the story down, it's got that 90s anime vibe you don't see anymore, it's one of the most positive Gundam shows out there, and it has Ennil and Pala. It isn't some story-telling masterpiece, but it's a fun watch, and that's what matters.
His point was that being able to see the future didn't mean shit if you didn't take steps either to make it happen or stop it. That was his criticism of Jamil, Lancerow, and all the other big faction leaders: they believed that Newtypes were so special that just by inherently existing they'd change the future.
As he puts it, Tifa has the power to see the future. That is a fact. But that future isn't set in stone, as Garrod has proven multiple times, so she's not the superhuman Newtype all of the philosophers of the age want. She's just someone with a special power.
The main reason DOME was so pissed off at all of the leaders anyway was that they were ignoring all of the progress humanity had made to go wank over Newtypes again, even though there were only two left and they didn't give a shit.
Which is why the X side story manga ending with the protagonist becoming a Newtype was utter bullshit and completely missing the point, but then nobody talks about Under the Moonlight for a good reason anyway.
There's not even many SRWs with X in it and usually it's just an afterthought, kind of like Dancouga in J. The only one is alpha gaiden and even I can't remember most of that (haven't played R so i can't really talk for it)
X gets the short stick all the god damn time in SRW.
>Hey we're going to make the Satellite Cannon show accurate, only we're not going to be accurate at all and just let all of the other Gundams drop their super weapons whenever they fucking want.
Let's not even talk about how against all reason, the DX takes longer to charge up than the GX.
Oh and of course nobody ever mentions they're walking around with a walking war crime built solely to nuke its target into oblivion as quickly as possible.
If you think about it, the DX is basically the enemy super weapon that the protagonist tries to stop in a lot of mecha shows.
Maybe if it was still an ALL attack.
But yeah, Z3-2 is the closest Banpresto has gotten to actually emulating how the Satellite System works. Though why they feel the need to do that when the Turn A can just shit out nanomachines all day and the FA Unicorn can dump its entire payload multiple times is beyond me.
Even the NEET escaped the darkness in the end.
X is much, much better than that IBO piece of shit.
It's a fair bit better than IBO, and I actually like IBO.
Not sure what your definition of "uneventful" is, but X does not fit any definition I'm aware of. Garrod is extremely pro-active, especially for a Gundam protagonist. Gundam-jacking, wasteland raiders, mercenary ambushes, space rescues, snowboarding mobile suits, Garrod blowing up a colony laser, etc, etc, etc.
The only "down time" episode I can even think of is the one where Witz and Roybea go back to visit their hometowns, maybe the bit where Toniya and Parla hang out for a bit but I think there was other shit going on during that episode as well.
that's constantly touched on, with tifa being horrified at the first use of the satellite cannon, jamil yelling at Garrod not to use it multiple times, and Garrod deserting with the X specifically to stop anyone else ever using it
jamil even destroys his bit suits because they're horrible weapons from another time that shouldn't be used again
the X and DX are even contrasted against the airmaster and leopard, which, while powerful, are usually just considered super-resilient and well-armed suits in the show itself due to the lack of their fucking doomsday weapons
like, newtypes themselves are treated as war resources constantly, too
X is probably the only gundam show that realistically depicts these fucking things instead of being "lol muh teenage psychic weapon can't be piloting a suit this awesome"
>it's got that 90s anime vibe
OP is fun as hell.
>seed quality at best
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>Visually it looks just like Wing, especially in suit design.
I'm not sure I agree that people would've eaten it up. While I'd hardly call it dull, X is a lot more plodding than Wing. They do look crazy similar though.
Which is good
The only part that sucks is the 4-5 episodes long Estardo arc at the middle of the show that reeks of cancellation announcement. The super cheap OP2 coming up two episodes before is a giveaway.
you realize the MotW episodes actually serve a purpose right
it's showing how the factions are still trying to rely on newtypes as the ultimate weapon
even if you don't accept that, there's only like four fucking episodes of motw fights, too, jesus
Both OPs and EDs.
Fucking Human Touch.
He sort of did. He said that what we call "newtypes" are not new. It's just a new word for something that has always been a part of humanity (albeit rarely observed) and is not the next stage of human evolution.
Since the whole concept of "newtype" is that man is evolving into a "new type" of human, then that pretty much does mean that the concept is bullshit.
X animated the backpack correctly literally only once (the prologue). That's probably the reason the DX shifted to a more standard unfolding setup, the GX's thing was too complex.
And considering how fragile that part is on the MG, you can't really blame them.
UC Newtypes are people who managed to get a deeper understanding of things by living in space.
AW Newtypes are merely genetic anomalies and misplaced hopes that people used as propaganda for their pipe dream. The fact that Tiffa is a newtype born on earth basically showed at full of shit their propaganda is. Plus newtype dolphins.
You're just restating what those people actually *are* in AW, not what the concept of "newtype" is in the minds of the average person. They use the same in-use definition for the word in AW as they do in UC, it's just that in AW it's specifically shown to be false while in UC they still act like it's true even after over a century passes and they're still rare as fuck. It's arguable that the concept of "newtype" is as bullshit in UC as it is in AW since the majority of the human race stays "oldtype" and wars never go away. Deikun made a crazy prediction that humans would evolve because lolspace, someone notices a human with ESP and says "Hey, that guy is one of those NEW TYPES that Deikun predicted!" and that's all. Uso Ewin even proves that it has nothing to do with space (not to mention Carlsman who's practically an NT radar)
When Cyber Newtypes kick it, characters give a shit for maybe 5 episodes before moving on
When a legit Newtype like Lalah does it, it causes a rucus for the next 2 series and a movie
I feel like X kind of oversimplifies the idea for the sake of a convenient statement.
The fact is, there's no 'arguable' about it. Tomino made it a recurring thing that Newtypes, the people, aren't going to be the lofty beings Deikun made them out to be. They're still just people at the end of the day. Several characters make it a point to deny they're any sort of superhuman when their NT status is commented on by others. Outside of Deikun and Char, most of the general view of Newtypes tends to be either urban legend or tool of war.
You want to see how much the perception of NT's changed? Look at the scene in F-91 when Birghit talks about them and says they were said to be some of the most miserable people you could ever meet.
0079 is really the only time the shows themselves really seem to play to that ideal, and even then it's less NT specific, and more just to express the hope that humanity can grow beyond the state it's in.
You see back in the horrible hell hole qe call the early days if the DVD, companies treated the DVD not dissimilarly to LaserDisc, just digital and smaller.
As a result, most early DVDs were cut from shitty broadcast tapes, often transferred through a composite cable (so your signal was already pre interlaced, soft, undetailed, and laden with dot crawl) then encoded with hard telecining (so it's interlaced a second time essentially). So what is the end result?
The tape transfers were already low res compared to later 1080p retransfers from proper film labs, and the composite signal had awful general quality, and being as it was such a cramped cable for bandwidth, as well as being an analog signal to begin with, it was DARK. not in a black way either, because proper full stop black and white didn't convert over too well either, meaning black and white looked more like dark gray and light gray.
With a little tlc, one could have touched it up a little but even EG, with all his skills could only do so much to save G Gundam, a similarly fucked master.
Yup. Basically, early DVD looked a bit like a nice LaserDisc, only with a slightly cleaner signal, and a fixed slightly higher resolution. Later on, most companies that didn't already know better (there are a few nice, properly mastered early DVD's) finally got their act together. However some companies, like Bandai, however were quite late to buy into better equipment. Like, post-2002 late.
Wouldn't it make sense that the DX would take longer to charge than the X given that it's twice the cannon? It has more receivers, but it needs them to pour out all that extra power.
Well for a start, it isn't a walking war crime. Having a highly destructive weapon like a nuke or a satellite cannon isn't and never has been the basis for a definition of war crime. Using it on a civilian population might be, but just having one at all isn't. But then, dropping a thousand smaller bombs on a civilian population to achieve the same thing would also be a war crime and every army has those. So unless you want to start talking about how all armies are war crimes then this is just a silly line of thinking.
The X and DX were built for specific martial purposes (destruction of colonies in the event they're dropped) and they fulfill those purposes well when used correctly. They might be open to abuse, but so are all weapons.
The DX was designed to be an upgrade for the X in every conceivable way. Where the X only has the reflectors on the backpack to absorb energy from the microwave beam, the DX has the fins all over it. Hell the reason it has two cannons is because it absorbs so much energy so fast that it has to fire them out of two cannons instead of one.
Throw in how the DX also fixed the cooldown time issue the GX had (because I guess it just has more vents?) and in-show is capable of firing three times in a row, and there is zero reason the DX should ever take longer to charge than the GX.
Tell that to Banpresto though.
Oh and fun fact: the 1/100 DX+G-Falcon manual states that while docked, the DX can take energy from the G-Falcon's energy packs (the weird blue stilt things) to fire the TSC without charging. It qualifies that this isn't as strong as a true moon-powered TSC, but that it is a thing it can do.
Meanwhile in SRW all attaching to the G-Falcon does is reduce the charge-up time for the TSC somehow.
Though really, if we're talking SRW, the entire charge up system is complete horse shit because the actual charge sequence happens in the attack animation anyways. I guess the turns up until that are just Garrod getting off his ass and pressing a button?
>Oh and fun fact: the 1/100 DX+G-Falcon manual states that while docked, the DX can take energy from the G-Falcon's energy packs (the weird blue stilt things) to fire the TSC without charging. It qualifies that this isn't as strong as a true moon-powered TSC, but that it is a thing it can do.
Pala wins again.
Gundam X is probably the single least offensive Gundam TV series.
There's barely anything to shitpost or bitch about, besides the villains. Everyone generally acts so reasonably that it's hard to complain. The were virtually no scenes where I was angry or confused or annoyed, which is fucking rare for Gundam.
It's largely unremarkable, but don't people outright praise the stupid mini-arc involving the newtype dolphin? The Estardo arc was garbage, too. Fight choreography mostly sucks and there's the drab artwork. Ennil's insanity before she takes a chill pill? What flimsy motivation. If she were a Zeta character, oh boy.
It's like E7 but the characters aren't fucking retarded any overly whiny. Garrod is a young teenager and does stupid shit and bitches like you expect a kid to do and ends up becoming a man throughout the show, unlike Renton whoes a teenager that acts like a whiny 7 year ols up like a whiny 10 year old. Then you got Jamil who is a adult with some emotional damage due to a fucked up younger life, but still keeps his shit together pretty well and ends up overcoming it, compared to holland, who acts like a fucking manchild and like Renton takes too long to develope out of it and reverts 2 or 3 times after he gets some developement on top of it.
E7's first half is better than X, but X's second half is miuch better than E7's because it doesn't drop everything to turn into a pretentous wankfest about Chakras, the Golden Borugh, or some other shit and remains focused on the characters instead of sidelining most of the characters you learned about in the first half (remember the black guy, the photographer, the black chick, the stoner guy, the ganguro girl, and hell, Talho? E7's second half sure doesn't!).
Let me put it this way; in X's second half, you get Pala, good Ennil, good Carris, and Lancerow, while E7's second half gives you the Buddhist monks, the embodiment of the second half's pretentous bullshit.
The only memorable action I can recall is DX's debut and Garrod's rematch with Carris, so yes. Maybe IBO will dethrone it.
He was a bit slow to catch up on some things but every time he got into a cockpit, he was showing others even Garrod how to get shit done.
Someone mod the lipstick into a vibrator
Lets's just check gelbooru for a second
>ennil el 19
>tiffa adill 194
It's clear who's the winner here.
Garrod you can't just go around staring at flat chests like that
>It's a pretty boring show with equally bland art and characters.
There was some stupid otter thing next to Ennil, but it was stupid and took away focus from her so I removed it in the laziest way possible.
I'm sure the original artist will eventually find this and go apeshit, like most Pixiv artists do, but IDGAF.
That artist sure draws a lot of X stuff.
Ennil was gay for Toniya as soon as the Freeden crew got captured, but the ending showed it went both ways. I feel bad for Witz for being used as a beard. He did love Toniya.
There's also Ennil x Tonya R34 out there if you know where to look.
Implying it's a match for my imagination.
The episode where they met may be the most polished of the whole show.
>The only times choregraphy truly sucked was when they were fighting the new federation mass produced suits,
I'm gonna also dock them points for the overuse of the 'Garrod gets flanked by the Frost Bros' animation.
That's the kind of trick you can only get away with just so many times before it turns into "HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO FALL FOR THAT?"