The mechanical design looks like ass. They don't have limbs for the most part. That kills melee choreography that mech shows should rely on. Even outlaw star's grappler ships understood that. What you're left with is ultimately just a tank show, and it's not an impressive one. If you look on the threads on /a/ for a minute you notice almost all of the talk is devoted to the girls, or LN readers talking about how their favorite character isn't getting animated. When you put this together it's just not a show that will catch on with /m/, but hey at least the girls are hot.
>>13843520 Over saturation of mediocrity, otaku drift in media to those who would buy overpriced fan pandering shit as opposed to a general audience. Allot of this come down to the Japanese economy being still in slow recession/recovery since 1990, so large risk creative endeavourers are always treated as unnecessary risks. Also profits passed the quality threshold in the same way as Hollywood , Where other wise tired and repetitive garbage still seems to endlessly make money while using ever inflating budgets, and hey if i was a real bastard of an investor why would i fund some risky robot movie by some mexican when i know grown ups 2 will make 200mil for sure
I'm really getting tired of this trend of LNfags trying to push their shitty stories here just because it has a few /m/ elements Those are balls with guns strapped to them, what an amusing concept! I know you're going to retort about "well, they aren't generic mecha" like you've been doing, but go right ahead. The fucking Technodrome looks better than all of those things, but not enough to warrant a thread every two days.
We don't talk about Heavy Object like we don't talk about Great Dangaioh. Yeah, they have mecha, but they're both shit.
I dropped it early on, my main problem was the pacing and the fact that the director can't seem to put tension in scenes. Like the part where the princess was being suffocated by the belts or about to be captured by the enemies and the MC is just doing some internal monologue in real time, it made those scenes feel so slow as fuck making it lose any kind of tension. For those scenes, the internal monologue should have been done in bullet time styled presentation to make it seem like the MC's brain was going into overdrive (kinda like how in sports series where the characters still have time to think even though balls and punches are supposed to be blazing through.)
>>13843319 Thanks to pandering practices in the industry,this show cannot became a serious business around various aspects of warfare including the giant ball tanks while maintaining the banter and comedy.
It's the original anime like Madoka that always become the biggest hits and make the most money. The #1 problem with anime are the countless shitty low budget harem LN adaptations and horrible mecha shows that think they will sell just because they are mecha.
>>13845028 >>13845060 This thing is a piece of fiction just like any other mecha, and surprise surprise, people are allowed to like different things even if they aren't exactly the most realistic.
Nobody is going to go for your LN shit here, so stop trying to push it by saying "WELL, THEY'RE BETTER JUSTIFIED! GUNDAM IS DUMB" We have threads about why Mobile Suits will never happen almost every week.
Your dumb balls look stupid, and besides that, that's not even what your series is about it, it's more LN trash and here you are trying to push it like a desperate drug dealer, trying to find a poor sap looking for a quick fix.
>>13848718 Is this the power of shitposting? I have to reply, even though my gut tells me you're trolling.
>This is your "Gundam" lousy show about a super robot that tries to masquerade as a realistic mecha with hysterical pacifists as the main characters ... Real robots will always be super as long as there is a hero and he fights in a main mecha. They all use something to justify mobile suit use (or at least they used to) in universe like Minovsky particles. Protags part is b8. >"Macro" - music videos about transforming airplanes, ignoring any other military equipment You're forgetting the SDF Macross, a giant aircraft carrier. >"Full Metal Panic!" - magic "lambda drives" kill all the original component of realistic mecha Heavy Object has antigravity, what's the difference.
>etc. In any anime about mecha enough nonsense and scenario blunders
Like implausibly giant spheres with implausibly giant guns using implausibly out-of-reach repulsor lift technology straight out of soft sci-fi that are implausibly impervious to just about everything that isn't either another Object, nukes, or the conveniently wacky sabotage courtesy of the protagonists, and that's without going into designs like these:
>>13848735 >Real robots will always be super as long as there is a hero and he fights in a main mecha.
Oh fool ... "Taiyou no Kiba Dougram" and "Armored Trooper Votoms" comes from the 80's, but there are no nasty "super main mecha"
>Heavy Object has antigravity
You brainless student or what? Learn what it means to electrostatic suspension
>>13848752 >Like implausibly giant spheres with implausibly giant guns using implausibly out-of-reach repulsor lift technology straight out of soft sci-fi that are implausibly impervious to just about everything that isn't either another Object, nukes, or the conveniently wacky sabotage courtesy of the protagonists, and that's without going into designs like these:
There's the future, nerd, and it suddenly means the availability of appropriate materials, energy sources and technologies to realize the concept of a super-tank / mobile fortress
>So by that same token, bayoneting and melee combat do not exist in reality as everyone must shoot at each other to enhance the grim seriousness and serious grimness of the situation.
And, in your opinion, is the genius of the top running under the fire of the enemy that would get closer and wave a piece of iron ... Are you an idiot?
>>13848790 Learn some English, it isn't your strong suit.
>>Real robots will always be super AS LONG AS THERE IS A HERO AND HE FIGHTS IN A MAIN MECHA. >Oh fool ... "Taiyou no Kiba Dougram" and "Armored Trooper Votoms" comes from the 80's, but there are no nasty "super main mecha" Chirico bounces between ATs like nobody's business. That doesn't qualify as a main mecha. My point still stands.
>>Heavy Object has antigravity >You brainless student or what? Learn what it means to electrostatic suspension If you think electromagnetic suspension can account for the 100t truck nut's existence then you have a poor understanding of physics. There is no reason you can brush that off while calling Gundam stupid. >lunar titanium is, as any futuristic alloy, lighter and stronger than current metals >minovsky particles come from a theoretical process in fusion, plausible because radiation disrupts electronics >beam sabers are electromagnetically contained fields of plasma or something, shit's proven
The only thing Hebby Objection has that's more "realistic" to the undiscerning eye is a vague similarity to a tank. However while (again I'm using Gundam because it's an easy go-to) mobile suits are treated as actual military equipment, Objects are basically invincible death machines that you can only kill by 1v1ing them noob or by being the protags. They are fantasy machines, in the real world the US would have 10x the amount of Objects as any other country instead of whatever rock-paper-scissors bullshit ended up in the anime.
You most certainly are for apparently thinking that melee combat has never been a thing even in the presence of firearms.
Current military doctrine among professional standing armies has greatly reduced such incidences, yes, but don't act like it hasn't existed, especially since Gundam aired shortly after 'Nam where hand to hand combat was rife.
>There's the future, nerd
Ah, of course. The nebulous 'future', yes, where we all come to magically have repulsor lifts and flying cars because of equally nebulous 'materials', 'energy sources' and 'technologies', all without going into how thoroughly impractical a giant gun sphere is as a weapon anyway when there exist weapons that do its job already for less of an asking price.
>>13848752 >So by that same token, bayoneting and melee combat do not exist in reality
They no longer exist. For decades. Japan loved bayonet charges in WW2 and look at their causalities.
Close combat weapons are a complete joke compared to ranged weapons.
People need to realize that giant robots fighting with swords is no longer cool. Every new mecha anime fails horribly. And for some reason almost every anime studio forces humanoid mecha into every future war setting no matter how dumb it is.
>>13848807 >Learn some English, it isn't your strong suit.
Do not ask the impossible - English is a mess from the Anglo-Saxon (German), Celtic, French, and God knows what else; besides English itself is divided into British English, US English, and Australian English, and that's not counting different dialects such as Cockney
>Chirico bounces between ATs like nobody's business. That doesn't qualify as a main mecha. My point still stands.
Alas, no ...
Again, partial "Dougram" - fighting vehicle of protagonist is slightly different in design, but in the technical level does not exceed the enemy mecha ... unlike the "Gundam" and other
And who said that mecha anime necessarily need a "main mecha"? "VOTOMS" proves the opposite
>If you think electromagnetic suspension can account for the 100t truck nut's existence then you have a poor understanding of physics.
And you probably do not have imagination and flexibility of thinking ... This is the future - advanced superconductors and huge electrical power. In order to enhance the effect of "electrostatic suspension" (which produce the most powerful device, powered by a technically advanced reactor), it uses a special agent ...
Anyway, it turns more plausible than the "levitation based Minovsky particles"
>The only thing Hebby Objection has that's more "realistic" to the undiscerning eye is a vague similarity to a tank. However while (again I'm using Gundam because it's an easy go-to) mobile suits are treated as actual military equipment
Are you serious? ... Any Gundam is invincible killing machine, which can only ruin the other Gundam - where realism is there?
Melee combat can sometimes happen. It's incredibly rare but happens.
The thing is building your war machine around melee combat is completely retarded. Nobody even use bayonets in combat. Even during WW2 almost nobody used them. They were only useful when guns had very limited ammo.
Here is a very important point - the armor and firepower
Compare the sizes of "Little Magnum" with ships and port facilities, and think about the caliber of its guns, thick armor and the fact that at such a scale it can move at a speed of 530 km per hour ...
The fact that the concept of "object" as an absolute force on the battlefield was originally conceived and consistently shows
The authors of the anime / manga / and others for Gundam attempted to call these robots "prototypes", so only they far surpass any "serial" MS, and no matter how worthless their pilot, no matter how many opponents, no matter how the enemy superior in tactics - Gundam can only destroy other Gundam ... but blue / red / white Gundam generally always wins
>>13849383 >The fact that the concept of "object" as an absolute force on the battlefield was originally conceived and consistently shows
Yeah, that's very nice, fulfilling their intended purpose, it still boils down to two super magic mechs being invincible to everything that isn't themselves or the actions of two goofballs, just like how Gundams tank everything except assaults from named characters.
"Objects" is a heavy-duty military vehicles, which can defeat the other "object", but you can use and proper tactics that would prevent him to perform a combat mission. Besides, even the "object" of the protagonist was once again destroyed and many damaged
"Gundam" is the only one of the many models of MS, however, for some reason, they daubed the glands can not overcome any of the other MS models. And as "Gundam" the main characters are invulnerable, and the only thing that they face a cosmetic upgrade
That doesn't answer my question, so for the third time round I'm going to phrase it in a manner that you can hopefully understand: disregarding the stupid bullshit about 'realism', because Objects are just as unrealistic as Gundams are, the issue is you complaining that Gundams run roughshod over everything that isn't a Gundam - which isn't true, across the franchise's 37-year history, almost - and that factors into making them unrealistic, yet the Objects are also similarly invulnerable to everything that isn't another Object or convenient sabotage, yet you flaunt Heavy Object as a champion of realism because they were apparently designed to be 'an absolute force on the battlefield.'
Using your point of view they're both guilty of the same fucking thing, getting down to brass tacks, so what's the difference?
>>13844922 >>13844925 >>13844927 >>13844928 >>13844931 >>13844934 >>13844938 Still watching the show, but honestly, what's the fucking point of shoehorning all those weapons onto a giant armored ball? If you've got the energy sources to make these move at hundred of kilometers per hour, why not just make battalions of futuristic superfast hovertanks or some shit equipped with an Object-class gun?
Because you need the giant reactor to power those weapons. This is why the core of every object is a 50m ball containing a reactor.
And you actually can destroy an object with tanks or aircraft. The thing is in the process you will suffer horrible loses and public opinion prefers the "clean" wars with objects where one object fights another object instead of thousands of soldiers killing each other.
>>13843922 Less overall volume, which means less materials which means less cost Also, a sphere has the easiest thruster placement, because it is a fucking sphere. The TIE fighter isn't far off from reality.
>>13849497 >Objects are just as unrealistic as Gundams are
They really aren't. It's not like they are super realistic but compared to Gundams it's not even a contest. Objects are something that could possible work with sufficient tech level. Gundams are nothing more than completely unrealistic toys.
And that guy is really right. Gundam is all about super incredible special snowflake robots that made everything else pointless. And even among them you have some super experimental Gundams that shit on everything else.
While objects can be destroyed with other weapons. They are the dominant war machines because of clean wars they brought. Politicians love them and public opinion love them. And obviously one dead pilot from time to time easily beats thousands of coffins going home after every battle.
You also don't see special snowflake experimental objects slaughtering dozens of older objects.
>>13849207 The Ball has two windows on either side that are perfect for modding a polycap in for arm joints. Similarly, there's a hole on the bottom for the display that's just as perfect in the same way.
>>13854075 >Really, what's the point of swords when you have rapid firing high capacity guns? Style. You can do more cool things with swords and the like than with guns, things like gunkata notwithstanding.
>>13843520 They just aren't culturally relevant anymore. Real life moved on.
Robot anime grew out of the space race era of technology, a generation of Japanese creators that grew up with WWII media, the motorization of Japan, contemporary toy technology that was particularly suited to robot action figures and other factors. These days kids have video games and the internet, vehicle interest is low, and Japanese youth (and the generation before them) have had absolutely nothing to do with war, conflict, or weapons.
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