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Why is Heavy Object getting like 0 discussion here?

This show has some pretty damn nice designs.
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>>13843319
>it has nice designs

Fucking wreckingballs?
Jesus' cumfilled cunt, since when are wreckingballs and spiders considered good /m/ designs?
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>>13843319
balls going on a roid rage
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>>13843331
I kek'd
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>>13843336
You mean the ball-mock?
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>>13843328
>since when are wreckingballs and spiders considered good /m/ designs?
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>>13843319
Lazy cgi cut and past on guns, glued to sphere on ugly legs or treads.

>Is heavy object the best Super weapon anime?
>No, it's not even the best anime with a sphere.
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>>13843319
>This show has some pretty damn nice designs.
Yeah but nobody cares about anything else. I mean the designs in actual motion are pretty lame
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>>13843356
amazing
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>>13843357
What slimy dumpster did that aborted fetus of a mech crawl out of?
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>>13843328
Since /m/ debated amongst themselves for a long-ass time and came to the conclusion that balls are the perfect mecha design for a balance of firepower and defense.

Of course, when put into effect, /m/ realized it wasn't as exciting, and Heavy Object just took the general idea and ran with it.
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>>13843382
Have a few more
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>>13843382
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>>13843396

As exciting as what? Generic Gundams? Nobody is even excited about this anymore.
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>>13843319
Bottom right looks like the only design I'd give a damn about.
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>>13843462
spotted the tokufag
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>>13843462

Nobody is excited about anything anymore, especially not on /m/.
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>>13843481

Nah. It's just that generic big robots no longer excite anyone really. All the new mecha series either sell horribly or barely mediocre.

Gundam anime would be doing just as bad if not for brand name.
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>>13843486
spotted the tokufag
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>>13843486

Trends are what they are, unfortunately. Giant robots just aren't popular at the moment unfortunately, not even among kids, which is the biggest problem.
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>>13843496

I wonder what happened really.
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The mechanical design looks like ass. They don't have limbs for the most part. That kills melee choreography that mech shows should rely on. Even outlaw star's grappler ships understood that. What you're left with is ultimately just a tank show, and it's not an impressive one. If you look on the threads on /a/ for a minute you notice almost all of the talk is devoted to the girls, or LN readers talking about how their favorite character isn't getting animated.
When you put this together it's just not a show that will catch on with /m/, but hey at least the girls are hot.
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>>13843520
Over saturation of mediocrity, otaku drift in media to those who would buy overpriced fan pandering shit as opposed to a general audience. Allot of this come down to the Japanese economy being still in slow recession/recovery since 1990, so large risk creative endeavourers are always treated as unnecessary risks. Also profits passed the quality threshold in the same way as Hollywood , Where other wise tired and repetitive garbage still seems to endlessly make money while using ever inflating budgets, and hey if i was a real bastard of an investor why would i fund some risky robot movie by some mexican when i know grown ups 2 will make 200mil for sure
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>>13843520
No real Braves equivalent to indoctrinate kids into mecha with is my theory. We really need more things like danball senki getting kidsinto the genre.
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I'm really getting tired of this trend of LNfags trying to push their shitty stories here just because it has a few /m/ elements
Those are balls with guns strapped to them, what an amusing concept! I know you're going to retort about "well, they aren't generic mecha" like you've been doing, but go right ahead. The fucking Technodrome looks better than all of those things, but not enough to warrant a thread every two days.

We don't talk about Heavy Object like we don't talk about Great Dangaioh.
Yeah, they have mecha, but they're both shit.
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>>13843520
I'd say it because mecha series don't seem to even try aim at kids anymore.
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>>13843651
>Great Dangaioh
Is it really that bad, I'll have to give it a try then.
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I dropped it early on, my main problem was the pacing and the fact that the director can't seem to put tension in scenes. Like the part where the princess was being suffocated by the belts or about to be captured by the enemies and the MC is just doing some internal monologue in real time, it made those scenes feel so slow as fuck making it lose any kind of tension. For those scenes, the internal monologue should have been done in bullet time styled presentation to make it seem like the MC's brain was going into overdrive (kinda like how in sports series where the characters still have time to think even though balls and punches are supposed to be blazing through.)
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>>13843396
>Since /m/ debated amongst themselves for a long-ass time and came to the conclusion that balls are the perfect mecha design for a balance of firepower and defense.

This has never happened and is not true.
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>>13843319
>Why is Heavy Object getting like 0 discussion here?
Because the show is shit
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>>13843693
>For those scenes, the internal monologue should have been done in bullet time styled presentation to make it seem like the MC's brain was going into overdrive

They just shouldn't be done at all. LNs/Manga rely on them due to the limitations on their mediums, but animation is supposed to be about show not tell.
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>>13843654

Kids just don't care about giant robots anyway, as Gyrozetter helped prove
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>>13843648
The closest thing to a regular franchise appealing to kids these days is Battle Spirits, and even then the mechs are a secondary element.

>>13843735
Meanwhile, Toei clearly don't even know how to get kids to give a damn about Sentai beyond a collectable gimmick. Just look at the upcoming mechs.
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>>13843359
The animation is rather lackluster but the show is better than I expected.
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>>13843703
I haven't read it on /m/ but there was a good argument somewhere that spheres are the best shape for space ships.
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>>13843319
That's for sure:)

"Objects" are incredibly powerful things
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>>13844934


The concept of military vehicles and embodying the invincible might of the ruling on the battlefield ...

I like;)
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>>13843319
Thanks to pandering practices in the industry,this show cannot became a serious business around various aspects of warfare including the giant ball tanks while maintaining the banter and comedy.
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>>13843637
>They don't have limbs for the most part. That kills melee choreography that mech shows should rely on.

This is literally the worst part of mecha genre. Retarded melee combat with giant robots.

That's the part that makes 90% of people go "wow, that looks so fucking stupid".

You can have great action without the idiotic robot sword fights.
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>>13843643

But this is completely wrong.

It's the original anime like Madoka that always become the biggest hits and make the most money. The #1 problem with anime are the countless shitty low budget harem LN adaptations and horrible mecha shows that think they will sell just because they are mecha.
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>>13844984
It's the opposite for me. I'm more entertained by giant robot Melee fights than a shoot out.
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>>13844984


The main problem of "combat robots" in the "justification" of their necessity and superiority over other military equipment ...

Before the "object" of such issues is not necessary - they are many times more powerful than any standard technique and not too complicated (compared with anthropomorphic Gundam)
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>>13845028

Out of all the types of mecha I saw they are one of those that actually kind of make sense.

They fly on repulsors instead of walking. Their pilots suffer all the issues one should suffer by piloting a machine that makes you go through G12 every turn.

Their toughness and mobility explain why armies would use them instead of normal tanks.

Their shape is explained by their power source.

I can't believe people find them dumb and boring while masturbation to shit like Gundam.
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>>13845025

It can look great. But has no place in series that pretend to be serious war drama.
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>>13844928
How the fuck is this piece of shit even supposed to roll? all 4 of it's threads are aligned in opposing directions.

The hell is it going to do when it tries to move? Tear itself apart??
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>>13844941
It could, but the author of the source would only do it after >16 volumes and even then only for a couple volumes at best.
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>>13845095

It levitates right above surface. Threads are there for instantly changing direction.
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>>13845028
>>13845060
This thing is a piece of fiction just like any other mecha, and surprise surprise, people are allowed to like different things even if they aren't exactly the most realistic.

Nobody is going to go for your LN shit here, so stop trying to push it by saying "WELL, THEY'RE BETTER JUSTIFIED! GUNDAM IS DUMB" We have threads about why Mobile Suits will never happen almost every week.

Your dumb balls look stupid, and besides that, that's not even what your series is about it, it's more LN trash and here you are trying to push it like a desperate drug dealer, trying to find a poor sap looking for a quick fix.
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you fucks beign obsessed over stupid giant robot sword fighting and humanoid design is the reason the genre is stagnated and why after mid 00s we have been getting so many shit shows
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>>13847343

True. It's something that seemed cool in the 80's but today almost all people realize how dumb they are.
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>>13846459

Oh, shut up ...

This is your "Gundam" lousy show about a super robot that tries to masquerade as a realistic mecha with hysterical pacifists as the main characters ...

"Macro" - music videos about transforming airplanes, ignoring any other military equipment

"Full Metal Panic!" - magic "lambda drives" kill all the original component of realistic mecha

etc. In any anime about mecha enough nonsense and scenario blunders

A manga on "Heavy Object" beautiful
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>>13847482
>i am reading this on /m/
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>>13848718
Is this the power of shitposting? I have to reply, even though my gut tells me you're trolling.

>This is your "Gundam" lousy show about a super robot that tries to masquerade as a realistic mecha with hysterical pacifists as the main characters ...
Real robots will always be super as long as there is a hero and he fights in a main mecha. They all use something to justify mobile suit use (or at least they used to) in universe like Minovsky particles. Protags part is b8.
>"Macro" - music videos about transforming airplanes, ignoring any other military equipment
You're forgetting the SDF Macross, a giant aircraft carrier.
>"Full Metal Panic!" - magic "lambda drives" kill all the original component of realistic mecha
Heavy Object has antigravity, what's the difference.
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>>13848718

>etc. In any anime about mecha enough nonsense and scenario blunders

Like implausibly giant spheres with implausibly giant guns using implausibly out-of-reach repulsor lift technology straight out of soft sci-fi that are implausibly impervious to just about everything that isn't either another Object, nukes, or the conveniently wacky sabotage courtesy of the protagonists, and that's without going into designs like these:

>>13844938
>>13844934


>>13845061

So by that same token, bayoneting and melee combat do not exist in reality as everyone must shoot at each other to enhance the grim seriousness and serious grimness of the situation.
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>>13848735
>Real robots will always be super as long as there is a hero and he fights in a main mecha.

Oh fool ... "Taiyou no Kiba Dougram" and "Armored Trooper Votoms" comes from the 80's, but there are no nasty "super main mecha"

>Heavy Object has antigravity

You brainless student or what? Learn what it means to electrostatic suspension

>>13848752
>Like implausibly giant spheres with implausibly giant guns using implausibly out-of-reach repulsor lift technology straight out of soft sci-fi that are implausibly impervious to just about everything that isn't either another Object, nukes, or the conveniently wacky sabotage courtesy of the protagonists, and that's without going into designs like these:

There's the future, nerd, and it suddenly means the availability of appropriate materials, energy sources and technologies to realize the concept of a super-tank / mobile fortress

>So by that same token, bayoneting and melee combat do not exist in reality as everyone must shoot at each other to enhance the grim seriousness and serious grimness of the situation.

And, in your opinion, is the genius of the top running under the fire of the enemy that would get closer and wave a piece of iron ... Are you an idiot?
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>>13848790
Learn some English, it isn't your strong suit.

>>Real robots will always be super AS LONG AS THERE IS A HERO AND HE FIGHTS IN A MAIN MECHA.
>Oh fool ... "Taiyou no Kiba Dougram" and "Armored Trooper Votoms" comes from the 80's, but there are no nasty "super main mecha"
Chirico bounces between ATs like nobody's business. That doesn't qualify as a main mecha. My point still stands.

>>Heavy Object has antigravity
>You brainless student or what? Learn what it means to electrostatic suspension
If you think electromagnetic suspension can account for the 100t truck nut's existence then you have a poor understanding of physics. There is no reason you can brush that off while calling Gundam stupid.
>lunar titanium is, as any futuristic alloy, lighter and stronger than current metals
>minovsky particles come from a theoretical process in fusion, plausible because radiation disrupts electronics
>beam sabers are electromagnetically contained fields of plasma or something, shit's proven

The only thing Hebby Objection has that's more "realistic" to the undiscerning eye is a vague similarity to a tank. However while (again I'm using Gundam because it's an easy go-to) mobile suits are treated as actual military equipment, Objects are basically invincible death machines that you can only kill by 1v1ing them noob or by being the protags. They are fantasy machines, in the real world the US would have 10x the amount of Objects as any other country instead of whatever rock-paper-scissors bullshit ended up in the anime.
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>>13847482
>seemed cool in the 80's but today almost all people realize how dumb they are.

I blame fun police for this.
No wonder nothing good ever happen in any entertainment medium.
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>>13848790
>Are you an idiot?

You most certainly are for apparently thinking that melee combat has never been a thing even in the presence of firearms.

Current military doctrine among professional standing armies has greatly reduced such incidences, yes, but don't act like it hasn't existed, especially since Gundam aired shortly after 'Nam where hand to hand combat was rife.

>There's the future, nerd

Ah, of course. The nebulous 'future', yes, where we all come to magically have repulsor lifts and flying cars because of equally nebulous 'materials', 'energy sources' and 'technologies', all without going into how thoroughly impractical a giant gun sphere is as a weapon anyway when there exist weapons that do its job already for less of an asking price.
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>>13848752
>So by that same token, bayoneting and melee combat do not exist in reality

They no longer exist. For decades. Japan loved bayonet charges in WW2 and look at their causalities.

Close combat weapons are a complete joke compared to ranged weapons.

People need to realize that giant robots fighting with swords is no longer cool. Every new mecha anime fails horribly. And for some reason almost every anime studio forces humanoid mecha into every future war setting no matter how dumb it is.
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>>13848807
>Learn some English, it isn't your strong suit.

Do not ask the impossible - English is a mess from the Anglo-Saxon (German), Celtic, French, and God knows what else; besides English itself is divided into British English, US English, and Australian English, and that's not counting different dialects such as Cockney

>Chirico bounces between ATs like nobody's business. That doesn't qualify as a main mecha. My point still stands.

Alas, no ...

Again, partial "Dougram" - fighting vehicle of protagonist is slightly different in design, but in the technical level does not exceed the enemy mecha ... unlike the "Gundam" and other

And who said that mecha anime necessarily need a "main mecha"? "VOTOMS" proves the opposite

>If you think electromagnetic suspension can account for the 100t truck nut's existence then you have a poor understanding of physics.


And you probably do not have imagination and flexibility of thinking ... This is the future - advanced superconductors and huge electrical power. In order to enhance the effect of "electrostatic suspension" (which produce the most powerful device, powered by a technically advanced reactor), it uses a special agent ...

Anyway, it turns more plausible than the "levitation based Minovsky particles"

>The only thing Hebby Objection has that's more "realistic" to the undiscerning eye is a vague similarity to a tank. However while (again I'm using Gundam because it's an easy go-to) mobile suits are treated as actual military equipment

Are you serious? ... Any Gundam is invincible killing machine, which can only ruin the other Gundam - where realism is there?
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>>13849187

Melee combat can sometimes happen. It's incredibly rare but happens.

The thing is building your war machine around melee combat is completely retarded. Nobody even use bayonets in combat. Even during WW2 almost nobody used them. They were only useful when guns had very limited ammo.
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>>13843356
I'm STILL wondering how he stuck the arms on...

maybe I'm just being retarded.
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>>13848807
>The only thing Hebby Objection has that's more "realistic" to the undiscerning eye is a vague similarity to a tank.

Well, it is believed that the tanks made by mecha technologies will better themselves mecha
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>>13849226

Sure as hell not this thing with fat legs and tiny turret.
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>>13849201
>Are you serious? ... Any Gundam is invincible killing machine, which can only ruin the other Gundam - where realism is there?

And any Object is an invincible killing machine that can only be halted by either another Object or protagonist-related plot armor. What difference is there?
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>>13849244


Here is a very important point - the armor and firepower

Compare the sizes of "Little Magnum" with ships and port facilities, and think about the caliber of its guns, thick armor and the fact that at such a scale it can move at a speed of 530 km per hour ...
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>>13849363

>What difference is there?

The fact that the concept of "object" as an absolute force on the battlefield was originally conceived and consistently shows

The authors of the anime / manga / and others for Gundam attempted to call these robots "prototypes", so only they far surpass any "serial" MS, and no matter how worthless their pilot, no matter how many opponents, no matter how the enemy superior in tactics - Gundam can only destroy other Gundam ... but blue / red / white Gundam generally always wins
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>>13849383
>The fact that the concept of "object" as an absolute force on the battlefield was originally conceived and consistently shows

Yeah, that's very nice, fulfilling their intended purpose, it still boils down to two super magic mechs being invincible to everything that isn't themselves or the actions of two goofballs, just like how Gundams tank everything except assaults from named characters.

So what's different?
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>>13849397
>So what's different?

Okay, one more time ...

"Objects" is a heavy-duty military vehicles, which can defeat the other "object", but you can use and proper tactics that would prevent him to perform a combat mission. Besides, even the "object" of the protagonist was once again destroyed and many damaged

"Gundam" is the only one of the many models of MS, however, for some reason, they daubed the glands can not overcome any of the other MS models. And as "Gundam" the main characters are invulnerable, and the only thing that they face a cosmetic upgrade
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>>13849488

That doesn't answer my question, so for the third time round I'm going to phrase it in a manner that you can hopefully understand: disregarding the stupid bullshit about 'realism', because Objects are just as unrealistic as Gundams are, the issue is you complaining that Gundams run roughshod over everything that isn't a Gundam - which isn't true, across the franchise's 37-year history, almost - and that factors into making them unrealistic, yet the Objects are also similarly invulnerable to everything that isn't another Object or convenient sabotage, yet you flaunt Heavy Object as a champion of realism because they were apparently designed to be 'an absolute force on the battlefield.'

Using your point of view they're both guilty of the same fucking thing, getting down to brass tacks, so what's the difference?
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If these things are the ultimate armored fighting vehicle, then why are all the guns completely unarmored and all on the outside of the vehicle?
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>>13849488

Holy shit, man. Go take an English course.

Seriously.
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>>13844922
>>13844925
>>13844927
>>13844928
>>13844931
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>>13844938
Still watching the show, but honestly, what's the fucking point of shoehorning all those weapons onto a giant armored ball? If you've got the energy sources to make these move at hundred of kilometers per hour, why not just make battalions of futuristic superfast hovertanks or some shit equipped with an Object-class gun?
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>>13850759

Because you need the giant reactor to power those weapons. This is why the core of every object is a 50m ball containing a reactor.

And you actually can destroy an object with tanks or aircraft. The thing is in the process you will suffer horrible loses and public opinion prefers the "clean" wars with objects where one object fights another object instead of thousands of soldiers killing each other.
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>>13850759
>>13850947
why not just nuke what you want to destroy?
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>>13843922
Less overall volume, which means less materials which means less cost
Also, a sphere has the easiest thruster placement, because it is a fucking sphere.
The TIE fighter isn't far off from reality.
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>>13850977

Because laser CIWS made nukes almost obsolete.

Also radiation.
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>>13848727
Dark day indeed
>>13849195
>Every new mecha anime fails horribly
Which has nothing to do with anything else in your post. They are failing for different reasons
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>>13849497

I think I understand what you mean...

Then let me ask you - "What is better: the overwhelming firepower or the art of waving a sword?"
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>>13853838

Firepower.

Really, what's the point of swords when you have rapid firing high capacity guns?

You can use a rifle just like a spear. They thing is you don't even need to stab. Just pull the trigger.
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>>13849497
>Objects are just as unrealistic as Gundams are

They really aren't. It's not like they are super realistic but compared to Gundams it's not even a contest. Objects are something that could possible work with sufficient tech level. Gundams are nothing more than completely unrealistic toys.

And that guy is really right. Gundam is all about super incredible special snowflake robots that made everything else pointless. And even among them you have some super experimental Gundams that shit on everything else.

While objects can be destroyed with other weapons. They are the dominant war machines because of clean wars they brought. Politicians love them and public opinion love them. And obviously one dead pilot from time to time easily beats thousands of coffins going home after every battle.

You also don't see special snowflake experimental objects slaughtering dozens of older objects.
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>>13849207
The Ball has two windows on either side that are perfect for modding a polycap in for arm joints. Similarly, there's a hole on the bottom for the display that's just as perfect in the same way.
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>>13854075
>Really, what's the point of swords when you have rapid firing high capacity guns?
Style. You can do more cool things with swords and the like than with guns, things like gunkata notwithstanding.
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>>13854103

Please. Call me when swords can do anything like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d84r8gMGxFQ
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>>13854205
A guy standing in place and shooting shit does not make for good entertainment outside of once in a blue moon. It's too static.
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>>13854205
>Gun that is constantly held in place is cool
It's really not. Overwhelming fire power just turns into beam spam. Hell at least missles allow some cool stuff like itano circus.
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>>13843319
I didn't think it was possible but I just found the shittiest taste on /m/
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>>13854247

You probably like Gundam. That means you have no right to criticize anyone.
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>>13843520
They just aren't culturally relevant anymore. Real life moved on.

Robot anime grew out of the space race era of technology, a generation of Japanese creators that grew up with WWII media, the motorization of Japan, contemporary toy technology that was particularly suited to robot action figures and other factors. These days kids have video games and the internet, vehicle interest is low, and Japanese youth (and the generation before them) have had absolutely nothing to do with war, conflict, or weapons.
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