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>Gunpla makes a ton of money bust still generally gets outsold by cute girl PVC and real machines models
>Gundam is still popular and makes a lot of money but generally gets outsold by all-girl shows like LL

Serious question: why not make a mecha franchise kind of similar to Gundam but with a bunch of girls as pilots and lots of other machines like tanks and planes also doing the fighting?
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>>13823551
>Gunpla makes a ton of money bust still generally gets outsold by cute girl PVC and real machines models
>Gundam is still popular and makes a lot of money but generally gets outsold by all-girl shows like LL
[citation needed]
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>>13823551
Cross Ange
Girls Und Panzer
GBF
That AKB anime

Such shows already exist, brah.
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>>13823551
Gonna seriously need some source for this bro
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>>13823576
Heavy Object
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>>13823551
>>Gunpla makes a ton of money bust still generally gets outsold by cute girl PVC and real machines models
> >Gundam is still popular and makes a lot of money but generally gets outsold by all-girl shows like LL
You're literally insane. Gunpla pulls in a metric shit ton of money that several moe PVC figure companies combined can just barely compete.

Just look at the production volume. Re-issues of gunpla every few months, pumped out like candy. A Figma? Good luck waiting 2 years for a reprint if you're lucky.
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I still wanna know how they fucked up Super Fumina so hard when they already have experience making plamo anime characters.
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>>13823609
>Heavy Object
>Selling
Hahahahahaha

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巻数 初動 発売日
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>>13823551
>>Gunpla makes a ton of money bust still generally gets outsold by cute girl PVC and real machines models

Uh that's bull shit. The mere fact that Bandai has rarely retired any of their molds and continuously reprints them just by existing for more than 1 year easily outsells any PVC merchandise.
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>>13823620
Because nobody wants to pay $60-90 for a 1/144. It's all about the money.
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>>13823551
What fucking world are you living in right now?
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>>13823652
But the shitty transparent eye effect must have cost more than just having some simple decals for the eyes.
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>>13823564
It should be noted that Garupan has indeed made a significant difference to tank plamo sales in Japan.

>>13823620
That would imply they were good.

>>13823612
Plamo get continuously reissued because the production process is very simple and automated. You don't need anything handpainted or assembled, just fucking shit out those runners. That simple production also means they are cheap as shit but they also have slimmer profit margins because they are a much lower end product.

Anyways Gundam's business plan works just because it's Gundam. The franchise is so well established at this point they know that if they make an anime at least certain models will sort of sell and they know they will be able to reuse it decades later just because being a Gundam series makes it historically significant enough to sell merchandise of no matter how hard it flopped. (eg. MG Gundam X) For other shows success is largely unpredictable and you can't rely on merchandising for budget.
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>>13823551
Top fockin kek m8
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>>13823551
Gundam has Bandai's best selling merchandising line. It beats things like Yokai Watch, One Piece and Kamen Rider. That's why Bandai doesn't really change things up in spite of the recent anime being all relative failures at best.
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>>13823672
>That would imply they were good.
Goku and Luffy certainly weren't complete disasters like Fumina.
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>>13823681
Also Bandai makes more money than god... so I mean, anything they lose on a series that tanks is just peanuts.
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>>13823551
>Gunpla makes a ton of money bust still generally gets outsold by cute girl PVC and real machines models
>Gunpla, a mass market item sold in toy and department stores in addition to hobby and collector shops and reprinted over and over again for decades.
>Getting outsold by limited run PVC statues that are primarily in collector stores.

I'm going to call bullshit on this.
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>>13823685
Remember Bandai generally can't moe.

>that feel when I have bought 8 girl Tamashii Nations figures in the last year anyways for some reason
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>Delta
Also it only really works when it's like Strike Witches and Kancolle.
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>>13823733
That doesn't look too bad except for how the bangs attach.
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>>13823785
find pictures of the real thing, not promo
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>>13823556
>Gunpla makes a ton of money bust still generally gets outsold by cute girl PVC and real machines models
>Gundam is still popular and makes a lot of money but generally gets outsold by all-girl shows like LL
>[citation needed]
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>>13823564

Cross Ange was completely retarded and had a guy.

GuP made shitloads of money and sold a ton of models.

GBF is nothing like that really.

And AKB0048 turned into a dumb idolshit few episodes in.

So yeah, it looks like when done right like GuP it's a golden formula.
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>>13823637

That show is not all girl at all. It just has few cute girl pilots.
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>>13823733
The people who make the collectors figures like figuarts and RD and the people who make the gunpla are two entirely different departments of Bandai who work independently of each other.
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>>13823612

Gunpla sells a ton because it completely dominated the mech models market.

While there are many moe fig making companies and a lot of different series.

If you put all this together it easily outsells Gunpla.
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Go look at Bandai 2015 annual revenue report.

Gundam made 76 billion yen. Total Bandai revenue is 565.5 billion yen.

And this is the fun part.
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>>13823838
Just read it. holy shit that was informative. Thanks for the posting that.
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>>13823838

Love Live Gundam when?
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>>13824152

Probably soon.
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>Gunpla makes a ton of money bust still generally gets outsold by cute girl PVC and real machines models
Don't talk shit
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>>13823809

And then there's the asshole at Bandai doing a sabotage on all the Macross 1/72 model kits so they never become as good as gunpla.
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>>13823551
Girls ignored me in highschool

They don't fucking deserve the cockpit
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>>13824281

They got the comfiest cockpits dude.
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>>13824537
what an awful cockpit, jumbojet controls all over the place
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>>13824565
>awful
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>>13824537
>miles of antiquated control panels completely out of the pilot's reach and horribly inefficient HUD displays cluttering your view

yeah no thanks.
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>>13824609

That shit is not even supposed to be used. It's just there since it's the safest place and if something breaks down pilot is close and can maybe do something about it.
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>>13824643
>futuristic single person humanoid mech has the same cockpit style as a 3 person modern day plane
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>>13824674

It really doesn't though. Normally she never needs to touch any of this shit. This junk around her is just for emergency cases.
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>>13824152
When they decide it's time to bankrupt otaku
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>>13824281
THEN YOU ARE LOST
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>>13823838
>Total Bandai revenue is 565.5 billion yen.

No dude, it's not Bandai, that's the total for Namco Bandai, the Holding Group that includes Bandai Co., LTD. If you just want Bandai the toy company you have to dig deeper.

This is what it is for Bandai:

Gundam Merchandise Sales

Includes GunPla as well as action figures, statues

Apr2013-Mar2014 =18.4Billion Yen
Apr2014-Mar2015 =22.9Billion Yen
Apr2015-Mar2016 = Projected to be 25 Billion Yen
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>>13823551
>Serious question: why not make a mecha franchise kind of similar to Gundam but with a bunch of girls as pilots and lots of other machines like tanks and planes also doing the fighting?
so a transformer with an AI like cortana or something?
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>the 80's are gone forever and there's no 80's MS girl OVA
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>>13824896

So Gundam makes 76 billion but just 20 billion of this is Gunpla?

Why the shit are Gundum fags always saying that it's afloat only thanks to plastic sales?
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>>13824896

Wait a minute. So it makes about 20 billion yen per year? Fucking Madoka Magica made 40 billion in merch sales in about 18 months.

That means Madoka merch was selling much, much better than Gunpla in that period.

And people think all moe figs combined don't outsell Gunpla?
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>>13825112
These figures are only a flash in the pan and are only popular for a short period of time.
Gunpla is an established brand that will sell years after they stop making anime.
Total up all the years Bandai has been raking in that cash.
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>>13825112
>Fucking Madoka Magica made 40 billion in merch sales in about 18 months

That's a statistic for all merchandise. The previous graphic already showed that the combined total for Gundam merchandise in general makes around 70-80 billion every 12 months.

We're talking specifically about figures and toys, which I don't believe there is public Madoka data for (because that would rely on Good Smile releasing their financial documents, which they have no need to since they aren't a publicly traded company on the Japanese stock market like Namco Bandai). Keep in mind that the number of Figma/Nenderoid other figure merch for Madoka was also very small.

There is nothing that outsells gunpla simply because gunpla is constantly remade. Most Figma or nenderoid only sell a several thousand and are re-issued a few times or none at all. Can you fucking imagine how many strike freedom kits have been made and sold for over 10 years (I can't believe Desitny is that old)? It must be in the hundreds of thousands at this point.
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>>13825530
>Keep in mind that the number of Figma/Nenderoid other figure merch for Madoka was also very small.
u fucking wot m8

There is over 350 different commercial Madoka Magica figures, I am not even shitting you.
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>>13825551
Oh and that's not even including all the movie ones, by the way.

>not many figma
THIRTEEN

AND THEY'RE ALL OF MAIN CHARACTERS. IMAGINE A FUCKING GUNDAM SERIES WITH THIRTEEN MAIN GUNDAMS.

Pretty sure all the regular ones got at lease one rerelease too, do you have any idea how many of these fucking things people bought?
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>>13825551
Compared to Gundam dude what else would it be small against and what else would this topic be about?
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>>13825565
hold your shits anon there's not 13 characters in Madoka there's only 5 girls. If you want to count different variants/appearances of the same character, gundam seed already wins that contest with the same character being released in different sizes and also multiple grades.
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>>13825589
SEED still only has about half a dozen or so protagonist Gundams including every version of the Strike and almost nobody is going to buy that shit across multiple scales.
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>>13825597

Let's see we got

Red Frame
Blue Frame 2nd L
Aile Strike
Launcher Strike
Sword Strike
Strike Rouge
Justice
Freedom
>almost nobody is going to buy that shit across multiple scales

But that's exactly what happens anon. GunPla is an interesting beast, a lot of people will have multiple kits of the same character. how else do you think Bandai can get away with releasing the same character in a different grade every couple of years.
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>>13823551
>Serious question: why not make a mecha franchise kind of similar to Gundam but with a bunch of girls as pilots and lots of other machines like tanks and planes also doing the fighting?
Sunrise tries this once in a while. They never stuck to it very far. Mai Hime is sort of like that and Sora Kake Girl is another. All short franchises.
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>>13824152
Hopefully never.
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>>13825589

Looking at major online shops Madoka gets around 2k hits for merch while Gundam gets about 5k.

Keep in mind that's one series with 12 episodes compared to decades of Gundam.

And Madoka is just the tip of an iceberg. Search for moe figure gives about 20k hits.

And if annual Gunpla sales are really 20-25 billion yen then combined cute girl figures sales crush that easily many times over.
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Meanwhile, no more sympho figmas
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>>13825112
>Fucking Madoka Magica made 40 billion in merch sales in about 18 months.
And madoka magica only did that for about 18 months.
Gundam so big because it's been around for thirty goddamn years and they don't need to do shit to keep it going. You can't rely on creating hits the size of madoka continuously for years on end.
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>>13823551
Girls und Panzer and AKB0048 is what you want.

>But AKB is idolshit!
Guess what sells, retards? It's not Chad Thundercock and his ragtag group of gary stu grunts in a gritty and mature anime for mature anime watcher like yourselves.

I may not have liked AKB but I'd be fine with more Girls und Panzer just to see more tanks.
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>>13826018
STILL.FUCKING.MAD
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dem madoka x homura doujins

with smelly socks
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>all this talk comparing madoka and gundam sales
guys, guys, we already have a solution
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>>13823803
>And AKB0048 turned into a dumb idolshit few episodes in.
To be fair, it wasn't exactly your typical idolshit anime.

It had trouble getting people to watch in general thanks to AKB and anime.
AKBfags don't want to touch anime, animefags don't want anything to do with AKB.

It was fairly okay for what it was. Its certainly very Kawamori-ish.
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>>13823803

It "had a guy?" Is that all it takes to discount something?

You can't have a Gundam-like mecha show with 100% girls because you would either have to think up a reason for all the pilots to be girls, which always ends up being retarded so you can never take the show seriously. And Gundam pretends to be serious, so then it all falls apart. Either that or it would be like "oh the girls are chosen elite pilots and it's all some sort of game" like Yamamoto Yohko or G Gundam with all chicks. Those didn't take themselves seriously either.
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>>13825097
Brain retardation plain and simple
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>>13823551
U already have muv-luv
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>>13826296

It's not just the women, anon.

If you're selling in that direction, your viewers would prefer a fuwafuwa show where everyone is happy and okay and goes home at the end of the day. You're selling a glimpse of paradise. A view into a pet shop of hope and love and the feeling of wanting to caress and, well, whatever moe is. You're selling moe. The only thing changed from the '80s to the '00s is moving it from being a side accompaniment in most shows into being the entire selling point.

ML may have a lot of girls to one guy in a stock standard formula but calling it moe is the not the first or even the middle thing I'll describe it as. That's like saying Cross Ange's selling theme is moe. Sure they be selling the girls in tantalizing poses but that's not moe, they just have a dash of it here and there, what they're really doing is selling direct to consumer, in this case, the (yours or someone else's) D.

Well, that's probably just one out of several reasons though. Sky Girls shot ahead of its time and attempted a plot, while Strike Witches came in just at the right time as the concept started riding on a higher gear and remembered to sprinkle gratuitous close friendship amongst the all-female cast. GuP, however, rode on the pre-established notion of both and managed to combine decent action in an unexplored angle for the average otaku viewer with the girls formula already polished by Strike Witches. Some will tell you they hooked in the WWII otaku crowd too, but I ain't no expert on market trends so don't quote me on that.
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>>13823803
>And AKB0048 turned into a dumb idolshit few episodes in.
Did we watch the same show? Because outside of a chunk of season 2, I don't recall that happening. The vast majority of the show was spent on everyone's favorite singing space terrorists being Kawamori as fuck.
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>>13826033
>and they don't need to do shit to keep it going
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>>13826204
>And Gundam pretends to be serious

Pretends is the keyword.

Nobody with a working brain takes it seriously. Everybody with even the basic knowledge of military tech laughs at it.

And there were already plenty of series with excuses for female only pilots.
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>>13826033
>You can't rely on creating hits the size of madoka
That is the entire issue. But to think Madoka wasn't retard huge or more profitable than some random shitter Gundam series like AGE or IBO is just dumb.

Madoka is still being whored out and will be for decades like Eva, anyways.

>>13826204
Muv-Luv actually has to work harder to find a reason for a guy since "welp they all died already" pretty much covers it.

>>13826347
Sky Girls is the kind of show that never does great. The general market just doesn't really like that style of slow burn military slice of life-ish anime whatever kind of cast it has (I'm sure this is one of the things keeping Muv-Luv from being animated) and I don't think it will ever change, unfortunately.

Anyways hi. Also that feel when no MSV-R anime because it has Gelgoogs instead of Gundams.
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>>13823551
Because that's for fucking idiots.
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>>13827531

Said a gundumbfag.
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>>13824152
Sooner the better.
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>>13823551
I remember seeing somewhere That Gundam merch accounted for over 90% of plamo sales in japan. i don't know how accurate that is though
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>>13827490

Sky Girls having less than half the girls in Strike Witches, even in the original airing series, was probably a contributing factor too.

It couldn't decide whether it wanted to sell an action story or sell moe, so they made it and never pushed for its promotion afterwards. Shame, really, I liked that warship.

Slow burn SoL is probably manageable if they pack it with girls friendship stuff like with Strike Witches. ML, however, is still following that older formula of directly selling the character designs to the audience; I suspect that's another against point too.

I still think there's hope for MSV-Ridden, actually. If Thunderbolt can get an OVA series, all that's keeping MSV-Ridden from doing so is the popularity amongst Gundam fans. Admittedly, that's a pretty high wall. No OYW battle lines, no overtly Zeonic (perhaps I should say no overtly "Principalitist") characters, no kits at all which is probably the primary reason Thunderbolt got anything, because Bandai realized that they can push kits from there.
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>>Gunpla makes a ton of money bust still generally gets outsold by cute girl PVC and real machines models

Is that compared to individuals companies that produce real machine models/pvc statues, or bandai vs everyone else?
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>>13829292
The whole reason Thunderbolt gets a push is because it actually features a straight up RX-78 which even despite the artist quirks and the dumb shit sub arms is pretty damn conventional, plus they get to release multiple Zakus.

On the other hand Return of Johnny Ridden has one chapter with a Gundam then goes 6 volumes until another one appears. What it has a lot of is High Mobility Gelgoogs, perhaps the worst selling major Zeon MS in existence considering Bandai hasn't released a model of one in 19 fucking years now. Even MSV-R has only spawned more MG Zaku recolours of its main Gelgoog pilots.

Worse yet those Gelgoogs share most of their page time with various GM variants, which is Bandai's other nightmare.
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>>13829379
With Johnny Ridden, there's also the fact that no one mobile suit gets any prolonged period of exposure. There isn't a lead suit, it ends of being suit of the week. So the models would be dependent on people liking the design, rather than linking it to the character or the accomplishments.
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>>13829410
Uma's Gelgoog does more than damn near everything in IBO. (Hell practically Jacobius' too). The JR Gelgoog takes a long time to make a full appearance but is pervasive throughout as well.

Putting aside its active appearances Uma's Gelgoog also gets talked about a lot as part of the plot.
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>>13829298

As shown in their 2015 report Bandai wade 565.5 billion yen while Gunpla made just 25 billion yen.

That's just 5% of their overall revenue.
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>>13830240
Oh shit, only 5% of the revenue of one of the largest toy companies in the world.
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>>13825097
Mostly to justify the love of a series with pretty fights but not particularly good writing. It's usually used to dismiss those flaws by arguing 'If it's all about the gunpla, then so long as the battles look good, that's all that matters'
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>>13831947
And then they go on and argue forever about the middling writing instead of talking about the robots anyway?
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>>13823551

I remember there are an manga about piloting the gundam size school girls like a mobile suits.
(I forgot the name of manga.)

Why not make the same thing?
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>>13823612
>Re-issues of gunpla every few months, pumped out like candy.
I've been waiting for some gunpla re-issues for 2 years already.
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>>13823551
Despite what people like you might think, the /m/echa genre isn't fuel solely by males, the female population, especially fujos, contribute a good chunk to the /m/echa fanbase, especially sales. Alienating them would be counterproductive economic-wise.
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>>13833449

You would not be alienating them from the entire genre though. They will always keep making new Gundums full of bishies fujos could schlick to.

Seriously, making an all-girl mecha series seems like an obvious choice. Look at all the recent hits. Few studios actually already tried to do it but fucked up thanks to completely atrocious writing.

Gundam can get away with horrible writing since it's a brand. A new franchise can't.
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