We've tried. Dozens of us have tried, in dozens of different ways.
We've made Lacus an evil dictator, we've made her emotionally vulnerable, we've removed her from the show entirely. We've made Kira stay a berserker, we've made him less fucked up, we've made him more fucked up. We've made him side with ZAFT, we've made him stay with the EA. We've changed the Freedom's wings, we've changed the Freedom's guns, we've had him switch from the Freedom to the Strike, we've had him never pilot the Freedom at all. We've expanded on the Extended, we've eliminated the Extended. We've made Shinn the star, we've made Athrun the star, we've ditched the whole cast and made Lowe or Sven be the star. We've changed Durandal's motives, we've changed Logos's motives, we've said Rau was right and wiped out everything. We've had Kira and Shinn team up, we've had Kira get called out by half the cast of an SRW, we've had Kira be a bro from the beginning and hang out with Heero Yuy. Meer has replaced Lacus, Meer has become her own singer. Every permutation of this story has been explored.
None of it fixes it. Nothing makes it never was. Destiny is something we all have to deal with, because nothing we ever do will make it better.
I still liked it but here are some starters: -Make Kira not fuck off after the events of SEED and actually do something about the conflict in the world -Make Shinn actually change over time instead of deciding you want to change him and then doing a 180 -Make Shinn's decision actually mean something instead of setting him up as a pre-final boss -I think the original trio from SEED were charming in their own way so I would like if they did that too -Give the grunt suits more screen-time and give the protagonists more of a challenge(it was generally decent near the start) -Make the Strike Freedom look more like the Okawara MG
One of the major flaws of Destiny was to not continue to deepen the setting, which was one of the elements that saved Seed. Logos, Terminal, Junk Guild, all things very interesting on paper.
The whole issue of sterility of the coordinators is totally forgotten, and this was a mistake, because it could be the central theme of a new war without introducing crazy villans who want only death and destruction . Federation try everything to isolate Zaft and the Cordinators realize that without the Earth, they will not survive for long. The independence is not so advantageous.
But the main point of a good story is to introduce a real threat, something that keeps the tensions high, something that Destiny is totally lacked.
It's a cliché a but , I would even have liked a reversal of perspective. Shin start ally with ZAFT, but then ends up a prisoner in the Atlantic Federation, and become friend with some of them, realizing how much effort do the naturals to keep up with Super men like him. He do not become a pacifist and still hate the Earth Federation, but he begins to question the nature of the Coordinators and understand the reasons of his enemies. An excuse to introduce new lore side quests and perhaps reveal that all that was known about Cordinators was false (Twist). Since Tanaka adored interpret Meer, the idea of replacing her could be exploited in some strongest terms. Instead of making Lacus an evil dictator, Meer could be a clone determined to become what Lacus, (according to her) had not the courage to be. Eventually the image of Lacus become so compromised, that she's literally hunted for crimes she did not commit, forcing Kira to return to fight just to protect her from harm, without having any intention of join the war like he did the true show.
In short, in Destiny happen very few relevant things and it's a fucking 50 episodes show,
>>13823826 Ironically, I think that the solution of all problems would be to replace the role of Athurn with Kira. Athrun remains to Orb because he's considered a traitor and Cagalli is escorted by Kira and his Strike Gundam. Fukuda could masturbate on his Self insert, now mentor, and Shin is save to remaon a protagonist.
Actually, I think it was planned from the beginning that Shin join the Archangel like Kamille dd with the Karaba, but something must have gone wrong.
There was an early profile bit that indicated that Shin had some interest in her. But the same thing also said that he was best friends with the two mechanic kids, and both seemed to be completely ignored in the show itself.
>Kira starts off with a more-efficient version of the Strike with Freedom's backpack.It naturally has only one shot of Full burst.
>have Kira be a bit suffering from the effects of the last war never allowing Lacus to do anything because he's afraid of losing her. When Lacus' life does get threatened, he goes on a somewhat simmering rampage against ZAFT, refusing to buy Athrun's explanation.
>Shinn is still a Refugee,but his sister, Mayu Survives, barely.He's struggling to protect Mayu from even more harm. He's still upset over Orb, but more on their recent actions, rather than the whole Athha family.
Lacus doesn't want to use Kira's power due to what Flay did to him but Kira says he's necessary to put the war to a halt. there's a bit of underlying conflict between them, but that's just because they care about each other.
Flay is like the Rau to Lacus' Durandal. She would haunt Lacus and remind her about the repercussions of the actions Lacus has taken.
Cagalli is stuck between doing what's right for everyone, and doing what's best for Orb. She, not Lunamaria become's Shinn's love interest.
Athrun will be confused and tries to first help out ZAFT, but will then succumb to continuing what his father started
Lunamaria now Older than Shinn and Rey, becomes the Haman to Athrun's Char
Durandal is actually a sympathetic character in this version, as he is now Terminal's co-founder with Malchio. He was the one who taught Lacus her idiologies, He is honestly trying to avoid what eventually will doom the coordinators.
Not much changes for the EA, but one of them is including a puppetmaster who instigates the conflicts, one who has a deep hatred for Coordinators, not founded on how better they are, but founded on what they did on the last war.
>>13824911 Not quite everything, though certainly a lot.
If Durandal hadn't tried to assassinate Lacus, or had used any method other than sending top-of-the-line ZAFT mobile suits that would obviously implicate him, he would have won handily. If he had waited to enact the Destiny Plan, or enacted it as a slow series of measures across a few decades, he would have won. If he had built the Minerva to be waterproof, he would have won.
I think the big issue is if we're going to fix it, we basically have to go back to the beginning of the series.
And that brings up the question of, are we going to actually invent new characters to take this in a new direction, or just patch up issues with the series. If we're going to do the former, then the old characters HAVE to take a lessened role in this. As the series stands, you could take out most of the new characters and have the series have the same goddamn ending.
>>13825998 The bigger issue is that people aren't willing to reuse the current characters to begin with. Giving Kira and Lacus hurdles to overcome is one step to fixing the uneven characterization, but people have a problem with it given what they end up doing in canon.
>>13826006 I've also seen a lot of people revive characters only to put them in an MS, just to spite some characters they hate. Believe me when I say I'm tired of any Destiny fixfic putting Fllay into an MS. If people truly want to fix the story, then they have to accept that they will have to deal with Kira and Lacus at some point, and killing them off is a stupid and immature way of fixing things
>>13826020 The mature way would simply be that they both fail to control the political situation they have created, with brute force... remember.
Eventually they disappear and nobody knows what happened to them. You do not have to explain these kind of things. The discovery of a new status quo and understand how they arrived at a new critical situation is a narrative ploy historically successful because it allows the protagonists and the audience to discover things together. Among other things, you are not obliged to set the story three years after Seed Destiny, it would be better to pass at least twenty years so that there is a new political scenario.
>>13826169 Because it's not supposed to be funny. It's a MUH GRITTY SERIOUS GSD. That's what the people like right? MUH SERIOUS. See? /m/ isn't shitposting on my remake. Yo Sunrise! Wanna make some serious bank? Hit me up senpai.
I think the problem lies at the heart of the Cosmic Era, Fukuda. He's too passionate about SEED, to involved that he is either unwilling or unable to be objective about the setting and the characters. Orb is supposedly his idealized version of Japan, and many people believe Kira and Lacus are stand-ins for him and his wife. The Cosmic Era isn't supposed to be deep or thoughtful, it's supposed to be entertaining and like 70's super robot shows. And after all these years, he still defends his work on the show.
Basically, you'd need to remove him and then begin to view the characters objectively in order to begin fixing Destiny.
Flay was pregnant at the end of Seed Kira finds out from Miriallia when he first returns in the Freedom at Alaska. Thus when Flay dies Kira loses his child and the girl he still had feelings for Throughout the Orb arc in Seed he'd be incredibly antsy and worried about Flay When he finds out she is alive in the capsule his mad dash towards it ignoring the Druggies trying to kill him makes more sense this way. Finding out she and his child are alive makes saving her the most important thing to him at that moment. She dies anyway at the end
Destiny Shinn knows the Freedom killed his family. His anger is aimed at it and the leaders of Orb. Kira has PTSD and can't be intimate with Lacus because of what happened with Flay Athrun loves Cagalli but wants to help turn ZAFT into the organization he feels it should be. He wants to get away from his father's image and ideal of ZAFT. Cagalli isn't a pussy. She went to PLANT to demand Durandal stop using Orb resources for MS construction She pilots during Break The World She and Shinn develop a love/hate relationship with each other. He comes to respect her as she is willing to put her life on the line for her ideals and she comes to understand his pain about feeling powerless. She can relate because she lost her father and there was nothing she could do. Lunamaria isn't a shit shot and she and Rey use multiple packs for different scenarios. They get Goufs when Heine arrives Heine is a mentor to all of them The Extended are expanded upon and Stellar isn't a retard. Biggest changes would be 14-20 Extended and Meer development with ZAFT getting a few battles. We get a glimpse into just how obsessed with being Lacus Meer is 21 Heine still dies and Kira still wrecks everything but his actions of killing Minerva crew members is highlighted more and portrayed in a bad light by the show while he and the Archangel crew are oblivious to their anger
>>13829126 >no Assram C'mon Athrun needs love too,maybe he can be used to snap Kira out of his useless pacifism somehow. They could have a "DO YOU THINK YOU SAVED ANYONE" type of moment when Kira sees the disabled mobile suits crashed in the ground below
>>13829126 I think I got the episode numbers wrong. I think 21 was Shinn and Stellar meeting while 23 was the battle Kira wrecked in 23 Shinn recognizes the Freedom and freezes up having flashbacks to his family dying. That's why Kira is able to slice off his arm so easily 24-27 Lacus to space with her trying to kiss Kira goodbye but he flinches Extended laboratory with files pulled up on them Stellar captured Gaia captured and kept on the Minerva. If Meyrin is a pilot for the Minerva it's painted in her colors if not it is left in default colors. Auel development 28 Kira and Cagalli still appear. Cagalli is disgusted at the Orb military for using cheap tactics against a single ship Shinn snaps when he sees the Freedom and fires on it giving us the same scenario as in the show with him dodging Kira's slash. Shinn is the aggressive one in this case and continually attacks Kira. The Gaia is used in this battle and Auel's memory returns and he thinks it's ZAFT killed Stellar and are using her machine. He attacks it but is stopped by Shinn. They fight and Auel realizes what Phantom Pain has been doing to them all this time with the memory wipes. He's killed by Shinn similarly to the TV show and his last thoughts are about how fucked up their lives have been. He thinks about Sting and Stellar before going boom.
>>13829152 Athrun is still important. I'm just making this up off the top of my head so details like Kira realizing he isn't saving shit are slipping by. I'm all for that though. Even have Shinn, Rey and Heine berate him too. I had this huge Seed Destiny rewrite on a different hard drive but that is gone now.
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