Kamen Rider Ghost 15

who's hype for Necrom next week?

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Javel episodes always feel like they use have budget than usual.

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>>13805291
Him being able to take on Ghost and Specter at the same time makes it feel hype. One sided fights are always great, just look at Javel's debut.

>>13805314
>MORE DAWG. HIT ME MORE!

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Takeru absolutely loves his food compared to everyone else. Look at his face.

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>>13805322
Thriving on punishment.

>>13805327
>I get to eat for free in this scene?!

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I love the heavy punches they gave Javel.

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Sure is a more suffering than usual when Javel's involved.

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Also nice they're getting Yurusen to show up more.

>>13805418
oh god this scene was adorable seeing Yurusen blasting off

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Added bonus.

Necrom looks cool as shit.

>all that CG
I take it that we won't be seeing Houdini too often.

>>13805695

Obviously. Every Rider has that one form. Specter has a perfect loadout. He has his jack-of-all-trades default form, his ranged specialist, his melee specialist, and his budget-eating CGI form.

>That voice for the Necrom stuff
Oh man, it's great.

>>13805722
What about Beast and Diend?

>>13805754
Beast used Dolphi only once, I think.

Even in the movies when he uses Falco, Chameleo, and Buffa for about 15 seconds they forget about Dolphi.

>>13805754
Diend has all the CGI heavy riders that eat budget.

>sister getting kidnapped while the riders just watch
this is just awful

>>13805816
>Javel teleporting slightly offscreen behind Kanon in order to teleport away again
>it probably would've been quicker to just walk over to Kanon and grab her and then teleport
this was a weird episode

>>13805327
JUUUUUUUIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Specter's music is god-tier.

>insert song never

>>13805885

ost when?

>Houdini put chains on Spectre, presumably standing for something in a metaphorical sense
>He blasted them off by getting his ass beat and asking Houdini to fight with him (like he had already)
Why?

I've been meaning to ask, what the fuck is Javel's Eyecon?
Is it supposed to be someone or is it just "Javel"?

>>13805885

The music that starts when he steps up and uses Houdini almost sounds like it's going to be an insert song but then it isn't. Such a letdown.

>>13806127
At this point, it's just safe to assume this is the dumbest show so far in general. I just hope this is the dumbest show ever and we don't get anything trumping it in the near future at least.

I'm fucking serious here, Kiva and Wizard seem really well planned and executed in comparison.

>>13806127

I think the point is that now he has a clear head and knows what he's fighting for. Before, he was weighed down with angst and guilt (probably what the chains represented), but now he's put it past him and resolved himself to protect his sister and defeat the Ganma.

>Robin Hood speaking in Japanese
Fuck this

>>13806199
Well what else would you expect in a show for Japanese viewers? A character talking in only english?

>>13806199
At least he's voiced by Archer

So Necrom is Danny Phantom and Ben10 in one?

>>13806213
No, it's still Seki.

>>13806138
>Ganma Eyecon (for Transformation)
>An Eyecon used by Ganma World Commanders.
>By releasing its internal energy, it lets the user transform into a Ganma Superior.

That's his Eyecon and his form is that of a Ganma Superior.

>>13806236
I was wondering if it corresponds to an actual soul though.
But the way you described it makes it seem like it's just the "Javel" Eyecon.

>>13806199
Its not like Robin Hood was even real

>>13806240
That's because Javel's the only Ganma Superior we're familar with. There's also Ganma A from Movie Wars Genesis and the upcoming Igor.

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>>13806138

It might be just a coincidence, but ジャベル is an old katakana spelling for Javert (ジャヴェール) from Les Miserables. It's not used anymore though, which is why it's kind of questionable.

>>13806280
Valjean, t'es un homme mort !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNaAFNFh9HA

>>13806158
you're joking, right? Wizard was aimless as shit, the villains had little to no screen time or if they did they seemed generic as fuck. Aran is a decent character that clearly wants his friend back, and next episode is looking like we'll get more screen time for his brother.

i can't wait till ghost is over for this kind of shitposting to end.

>>13806229
Seki is Archer, Gilgamesh

>>13806229
And Gilgamesh was Archer in Fate/Zero/

It's safe to assume he's voicing all of them since he's been Musashi, Ryoma and now Robin Hood. I pray they get him to just do a girly voice for Himiko just to keep it running.

>>13806300
>shitposting
Are you even watching the show?

>oops you ran out of time let me give you another shot
>connecting with the eyecons wasn't necessary before, suddenly is
>people from hell on a mission have no idea how eyecons work or what they're supposed to do once they gather them all
>heroes getting nerfed the fuck out for literally no reason
>hell is just a ridiculous red CG on chroma key
>victims of MOTW's issues are literally solved with no effort whatsoever, just a repetition of what the victim was already doing
>ghost forgets he's a ghost all the time
>villains get to walk out on heroes without any resistance unless they kidnap someone even if the heroes can still fight/have an advantage

>>13806450
>>ghost forgets he's a ghost all the time
They made that joke like, twice

>>13806580
Not just when it's lampshaded. He gets hit by objects he could avoid by phasing out/going ghost mode, obstacles stop him from chasing after villains when he could literally just fly over them.

>>13806158
>Kiva
>Wizard
>Ghost

Hibiki wasn't that shit for a demon-themed Rider show, right?

>>13806602
It really wasn't, but it got the short end of the stick when it came to subs so people don't appreciate it as much. It's very much like JoJo part 5.

Huh, Makoto's conversation with Alan was unusual, with Makoto saying that he "chooses to live as a human".

I guess it ties into how he got the belt/Eyecon in the first place, and what kind of deal he struck to get out of Ganma Hell?

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>>13805130
Houdini's a cheeky cunt. Really starting to get into the groove of the show finally. It's starting to feel right.

>>13806587
To be fair, I'd forget I was a ghost if people see me and could get hurt on a daily basis.

It was actually pretty awesome to see a bike centric episode. All the humor was great, and it seems like the villains are finally stepping up their game and buying new clothes.

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I like the fact that Akari's a big fan of Houdini, cute detail considering that in real life he was a noted skeptic of spiritualism and made a side business of disproving people who posed as psychics and "real" magicians.

>>13806717
It is a nice little touch.

>>13806717
>Tfw no episode of Akari creating the Houdini eyecon by going around ruining everyones fun

>Musashi warning Takeru that not all the Eyecons will be won over easily

I really hope Edison winds up being an asshole to him. It'd fit so well.

>>13806737
I hope that Himiko is lewd

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>>13806750
You're such a pervert, sempai.

>>13806587
In real life ghost lore, ghost often forget they are ghosts and try to continue their old lives. A movie that depicts this well is Sixth Sense.

If I were a ghost I would certainly have to get used to it.

>>13806780
>ghost often forget they are ghosts and try to continue their old lives.
Probably because they're not fighting demons with the help of ghosts all the time to save their own soul? I have a hard time believing Takeru would just forget it if this was being written competently.

>>13806788

He can still get hurt and interacts with people on a regular basis. It's not a stretch to think that he'd forget he was dead if he's still in the habit of living ordinarily.

>>13806788
Takeru spends 99% of his time acting as if he were still alive. He eats, sleeps, hangs out with all his living friends, and just generally acts exactly the same as he did before. He then transforms into a karate bugman to fight monsters alongside a different karate bugman who's alive.

>>13806697

That's how a lot of modern Rider shows tend to go. They often spend the first quarter of the series showing off the toys/collecting the trinkets. Once that's out of the way, it opens the show up for the actual plot and character development.

>>13806127
I don't know japanese, but the first time, it sounded more like he was arrogantly commanding houdini, while the second time it was a more respectful request? That's how it seemed from the tone of the scenes, anyway.

>>13807480

This. He went from "listen to me damn it" to "please help me out."

I always thought Ghost and Spectre had to use Ore/Boost/Spectre soul first before using the other ones, iirc this is the first episode we've seen them transform first with one of the Heroic Eyecons.

>>13806717
Houdini was also into aviation so his form being a flying form is a neat nod too...

Well at least Japan's idea of miniature senior citizens isn't based on fantasy.

I hope Kanon has more lines than onii-chan

>>13808163
Kinda surprised we're not seeing people fret over this when they were all mad over Mai and Kiriko, who did accomplish shit.

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So I've been making an effort to watch Kamen Rider with my roommate.

I've seen and enjoyed the original series (Ichigo?) and Black.

My room-mate has no stomach for the old stuff, though. It's just too dated for him.

We watched all of Fourze together and we enjoyed it. It helps that I love Great Teacher Onizuka and delinquent shit in general.

He then watched all of OOO's on his own, which he said had some cool moments but overall he enjoyed Fourze more.

We started watching W but got about 24 episodes in before he insisted we drop it. The plots just got too absurd, and the next episode preview had W fighting a literal doll and so we gave up on it.

Now we're trying to find another series to start with. We watched the first episodes of a few of them and I've got questions:

Faiz seems pretty on-the-money. I like the design and the tone. How good is it, though?

Blade hits exactly the tone my friend wants from the show, but he really hated the OCD camera work in Blade. Does it ever get shot better?

Drive's silly toy-car gimmick was a bit too much for us. I like the suit design a fair bit, but this one seems over the top cheesy.

We both enjoyed Kuuga, but the storytelling was a bit awkward. It was a little hard to follow at times, and difficult to discern exactly who was doing what.

I like Den O a lot, because I think it hits just enough japanese awkwardness and corniness and cheese, but doesn't go absolutely overboard. The DenLiner fights are lame, but I tend to find the large toy shilling to be that way in general. My room mate can't stand Den-O, though. He really doesn't like the base rider design.

I've been watching Ghost on my own and I really like the character dynamic between Ghost and Specter, with Ghost getting his shit wrecked for being weak. I like seeing characters rise to the challenge, so I hope that's how the show goes.

We're 7 episodes into Gaim. I think the fruit shit is silly, but the characters are fairly interesting. Does it really pick up?

>>13808645
Due to our work schedules, we can only watch about two/three episodes a day, but we watch pretty regularly.

I just don't want to have to retread the same ground that I did with W, where I like the premise (detectives, solving Kamen Rider crimes), suit design, etc. but it eventually goes off the rails and because my roommate doesn't want to watch it anymore, it's like we went 24 episodes deep for nothing.

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>>13808645
You're going to like Gaim a lot more in a few episodes by the sound of it.

Go watch Agito.

>>13808645
>We're 7 episodes into Gaim. I think the fruit shit is silly, but the characters are fairly interesting. Does it really pick up?
Like a motherfucker. You have no idea.

>>13805359
So I think that all the shots of Makoto's face from :19 onwards when he is talking were shot at night.
The lighting just looks off like they had to artificially lighten the sky and his skin tone looks off.

It bothered me when watching the episode.

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>>13808656
I thought I had to watch Kuuga before Agito?

I like crackers with my cheese. I like when the riders ham up fighting for justice and shit. Phrases like "Count up your sins" are cool. I think we both enjoyed Fourze because while it was goofy, it never felt like absolutely absurd, like it was taking the piss. The immersion never really broke for us, I guess.

>>13808679
>I thought I had to watch Kuuga before Agito?
No, you don't. There's a few brief off-handed mentions towards Kuuga, but it's officially not in the same universe as Kuuga. It's in a universe where another version of Kuuga happened but it's barely relevant to the plot other than motivating the police to make a suit of power armour.

>>13808679
You don't have to, but I'd suggest you watch Kuuga anyway because it is easily one of the best, if not the best Rider shows there is.

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>>13808688
Ah, okay. Cool.
I also heard I should watch pretty much everything preceding Decade before watching Decade.

Is there anything else I should know?

We usually only get to watch about 3 episodes a day, so it'd be nice to know if a show really gets off its feet at a certain point or where things drag. I like to be able to say, "I've heard it gets better..." or "People online generally agree that the show drags around here." That sort of thing typically chills my roommate out when he's worried the shows aren't good.

I made the mistake of telling him that people generally think the second half of W is weaker than the first, and so when it started to drag for a few episodes about mid-way in, he wanted to bail.

>>13808699
>I also heard I should watch pretty much everything preceding Decade before watching Decade.
You should, otherwise it's gonna spoil the shit out of a lot of those series.

Gaim has crazy fast pacing by normal standards, and lightning fast pacing by post-Decade standards, so don't worry about it dragging its feet.

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>>13808699
>Is there anything else I should know?
If you've been using TV-N at all for any series where there's any other option at all, you need to stop right now.

>>13808656
>>13808667
I also wanted to know if the fight choreography gets better in Gaim.

When the Inves show up, they just kinda grapple the riders. It's not very attractive.

Grape fighting without shooting his gun when he was overwhelmed was awful. My roommate was giving him a lot of shit for it, like, "Use your fucking weapon, they're just inves, holy shit."

I liked the fight between Kurokage, Guridon, and the french guy. I think the whole Kurokage/Guridon gag is funny, glad to see those guys keeping up the bit.

I think my favorite fights are when the Rider really styles on mooks/the boss. The first episode of Wizard was pretty cool in this regard (firing from the hip, wreckin' fools) and the older rider shows I've seen tend to have some solid fight sequences. I also love when a rider just walks a dude down, a la Axe Form in DenO.

But, yeah. Do the fights in Gaim get better?

>>13808710
I've tried to avoid TV-N subs. There's too much honorific bullshit and untranslated rubbish. I've been using http://kamenriderguide.weebly.com/ as my guide for subgroups.

>>13806602
People shit on it due to it being some of TVN's worst subs and the retool. Before the retool it's one of the best rider shows afterwards it's not as good but still an alright series.

>>13808716
The standard Invess fights don't change, but later on it focuses mostly on Rider vs Rider. There are also boss Invess that mostly fight like Riders too.

>>13808645

Blade starts out fucking weird, then starts picking up around episode 14, then later becomes one of the best Rider series, period, after episode 30.

>>13808583
Kanon isn't the main heroine. She isn't even a main character.

>>13808023
Zecter has gone directly into Nobunaga before

>>13808163

She's the designated imouto. She's like a Pokemon, "onii-chan" is all she's able to say.

>>13808163
Yeah, she also has "Takeru-kun"

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I thought we were finally free of Makoto's shithead attitude but it's just getting worse

"NO I WANT TO BE THE ONE TO SAVE MY IMOUTO BECAUSE I FEEL INADEQUATE, YET I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE A DICK TO EVERYONE ABOUT IT, EVEN THE GUY WHO RESURRECTED MY SISTER!"

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>>13809339
For some reason Takeru acquiesces. Akari calls him out on it, but no, Makoto has to boost up his own machismo and risk his life, endangering his sister by insisting on being the sole person who gets to help her.

>>13809339
I actually like he is still hothead and prideful.

>>13809348
It's a character I guess but it's annoying as shit. Neither male lead has any comedic relief at all, nothing to make them relatable or funny.

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>>13809345
"o well he fucking died, guess I should step up to the plate now"

>>13809339
Except that's not what it's about at all. Makoto needs to be able to stand up for himself and what he wants to protect without needing Takeru to be there to bail him out the next time Javel or someone else like him shows up.

In other words he's fighting off the curse of the secondary Rider to become useless the moment the lead gets his first power mushroom.

So why Houdini gets to be the special form? No ninjutsu special for Goemon or SCIENCE! with Edison, only dad boost.

>>13809363
didn't he just advance his jobber status since he gets his boost earlier on

like Gou getting DEAD HEAT earlier

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>>13809354
"oh well boys be boys lol"

>>13809365
I like to think Makoto saw Gou in Genesis and resolved not to let that happen to him.

He's also getting his own final form later, so he's not totally screwed the way Gou was.

>>13809364
I think it's because he had to bond with Houdini before using it for the first time. The other forms presumably will get power ups after they've bonded with their souls.

>>13809375

Necrom-Specter is a one-off "brainwashed" form though.

>>13809389
Not that, he gets a final form around when Takeru gets whatever comes after Grateful.

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>>13809345

>>13805463
>confetti
BEST FORM!

So is Javel kill? RIP in peace you handsome jobbing loser

>>13805130
Nope. Don't get the reference.

>>13809678
Javel is kill, but for a Ganma being kill just punts you back into the Ganma World. They're ghosts, they can't die. Aran can summon him again whenever he wants.

>>13809682
I think it's a reference to that Nolan movie.

>>13808645
>We started watching W but got about 24 episodes in before he insisted we drop it. The plots just got too absurd, and the next episode preview had W fighting a literal doll and so we gave up on it.

All of W's bad episodes are in the first half. The doll 2-parter is a love it or hate it one, but after that it's all gold until you reach the finale.

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That's a cool upgrade.

>>13805438
Did Houdini really use a top hat and a cane and shit?

I thought he just did escape acts with chains. Fucking TOEI.

>>13809682
The Prestige

>>13809451
Why does the JPEG still live on???

>>13805340
I expected lewd fanart of this......there is none.

>>13805340
>>13812333
>no doujin of Himiko-possessed Kanon forcing herself onto Makoto after using Edison to bind him

>>13805760
Yeah, Dolphi was the "healing" form when Wizard was poisoned.

>>13812333
From what I can see, the general opinion of this season, be it in the West or Japan, is that it's not very good so far. Doesn't surprise me that it's not getting as much fanart as Gaim, for example.

>>13805458
this fucking scene made me laugh so hard.


fucking /x/monk.

Akari was just like so casual oh hi Yurusen and he faints lol.

>>13808716
no, gaim fights are awful. zangetsu gets the only cool fights in the entire series.

>>13808675
Does that explain why Makoto was wearing lipstick, the same as the dad in Ninninger?

>>13808645
>Drive
>over the top cheesy
It mellows out fairly soon and gets real as fuck the longer things go on.

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I'd ship it

>>13814619
Golgom plot to make kids girly

>>13816281
everyone in this show is so goddamn ugly, bland and boring my shipping senses decided to fucking quit.

like i'm a shipper faggot and they just fucking quit.

>>13816292
They're too young anyway. Not that the japanese are interested in relationships.

I just found out that Javel has a gigantic fucking eye underneath his visor

design ruined