Carol and Dolls appreciation thread.
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-Hibiki Radio Station: http://hibiki-radio.jp/description/symphogear-gx
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-Fourth BD Volume
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「BAYONET CHARGE/RADIANT FORCE (IGNITED arrangement)」
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Reminder to slay all immortal witches in the name of God.
I didn't think it was possible to look furious and bored at the same time, but she managed.
I love the upgrades to everyone's rumpuses that GX brought to the table.
Speaking of rumpuses...
update on the futa Miku doujin when
Just woke up, was still crawling around, decided to visit Batoto to see if any of my follows received an update and then I read "Resized Ver" on some chapter of some manga
My first thought was a Kaiju-sized Ver attacking Tokio, with the screech "Veeeeeeeeeruuuu"
Someone last thread said Ver was a shitty character.
That's really dumb because he might be shallow as hell, but he's a villain in a show for teenagers. As long as you're entertaining to watch you could be flatter than paper and still be considered an excellent villain, and Ver absolutely stole the scene every time he showed up. Hell he saved an entire episode of GX just by popping up at the end and dropping a G-style cliffhanger.
I still love how fucking Ver was the most competent person in FIS.
I feel like the IGNITE arranges are actually better without the vocals. At least then you can focus on the actual arrange part and not have to listen to some frankly poorly mixed in vocals.
Like you can barely hear the new guitar solo (or whatever it is, I don't know shit about music) added to TRUST HEART at 0:52 over Chris' singing.
Do you guys feel that Maria's Airgetlam transformation is too zoomed-in?
When the boots come on, only her calf is visible. Same goes for her arm, hip-cape etc.
Shame since she's the curviest of the geahs.
>and actually have the ability to become normal size if they so wanted.
So was that a thing before Vivid that I just forgot because I was a little surprised when she and E̶t̶n̶a̶ S̶h̶o̶u̶i̶c̶h̶i̶ ̶T̶s̶u̶g̶a̶m̶i̶ Agito were macronized
I'm not opposed to more Chris but let's give her more after making sure everyone has at least one, considering she has two already and everyone else has one or none.
Hell, let's get one for Ryoko, too.
Also one with Genjuuro and Ver, since that'd be silly
poor Shirabe, im sure eventually the Finé Genes will compensate.
She could have been part of the receptor children but it was never said, she certainly seem to have Finé genes.
also relevant for sake of reference, wonder if its accurate
Mostly accurate, I'd move Miku a couple to the right though. She's definitely bigger than Tsubasa, and maybe bigger than Garie, but not as big as Kirika.
Where would the deceased fall? Serena would probably be where Miku is now, between Micha and Tsubasa. Ryoko would be near the right, probably between Christmas Carol and Chris, or Chris and Maria. Kanade's probably a bit smaller than Ryoko was, so between Leiur and Phara or Phara and Christmas Carol.
Those are their measurements, but the bust measurement isn't really accurate in determining bust size. It also depends on the band size.
Tsubasa is taller and has a broader torax than Miku, so chances are she has smaller breasts.
>Sword has a fatter ass than crazy
Either the people writing this on the site are crazy or the animators are consistently awful.
Raw bust measurement isn't necessarily indicative of larger breasts - Tsubasa is taller and has broader shoulders and back. So yes, she has a larger chest circumference, but her breasts aren't actually larger. Same story with Maria and Chris. Maria technically has a 1cm larger bust (91cm vs 90cm I think), but she's dramatically taller and broader than Chris, so her torso is bigger around to begin with. So yes, while Maria has 1cm more bust, she also has 5cm more waist and hips. Similarly, though Tsubasa has 2cm more bust, she also has 3cm more waist and 1cm more hips. She's just all around larger than Miku.
Dyke rage because Hibiki's been spending too much time away from home. Completely understandable.
See the topic at hand - measurements of circumference alone aren't the best indicator of asset size because you have to take height and general build into account as well. Tsubasa's hips are only 2cm narrower than Chris' (and 3cm narrower than Hibiki's), but their asses aren't even close to the same size.
>not the cat tats version
Maria is a 96cm. Whether she is bigger than Chris or not is a mystery we've been tackling for some time now, since her other sizes are also bigger than Chris's significantly(3cm at waist and 5cm at hip) and she is much taller.
Ah, crap, got the numbers wrong. You get what I'm saying, though, right? That just using BWH measurements alone isn't a good way to compare breast sizes because BWH doesn't take into account height or build.
Maria: B96/W62/H90, 170cm
Chris: B90/W57/H85, 153cm
So yeah, Maria has a larger bust measurement, but she also has a much larger body in general, and is a whopping 17cm (over 6.5" for you burgerfolks) taller. Same idea applies with Miku and Tsubasa, the differences are just much smaller.
Yeah, I agree. I am actually >>13804611, I know the circunference measures isn't the way to go.
I did try to estimate Chris band size with images of GX one time, but unfortunately, the measures weren't really that consistent with each other and the estimates took way too many concessions.
Were you trying to figure out your cup size or something?
Men generally have dramatically wider shoulders + back then women, especially the particularly slim, shapely, tiny women in Symphogear. You're most likely also a good 8-10" taller than all of them (disregarding Maria) if you're an American male in his 20s, which will also really skew comparisons.
Man you must be skinny. I mean yeah, I'm overweight, but I'm far from huge. I'm the same height as you but my chest is 105cm.
A quick google says the average american male has a 40in (101.6cm) chest, so yeah. I mean that's for Amerifats though, since you gave your height in m I'm assuming you're from Europe where that's probably a more normal measurement.
The season went to shit once Best Girl died
I knew Maria was shorter than she looked and only seemed tall by comparison, but christ, is Genjuuro really only 5'11"? He's the tallest character in the show by a huge margin, too. I always figured him for 6'3"+. Damn those tiny Japanese people.
She's not even the best out of the new characters, nevermind the main cast
You sure about that, bud?
The site has nothing on it and the wikia is not exactly reliable, but lists him under 194. In the latest height chart he was also comfortably above the 190 line
Stubbornness and significant pressure by interested parties in the American Guild of Measurements prevents a transition towards the metric system over fears that ditching the Imperial system will cause profit margins to suffer immensely
Nothing really. I started a bunch of stuff but none of it could keep my interest. First time in a while that happened, so I'm just watching more of my backlog and playing video games.
Even stuff still running from last season lost my interest, IBO and the new Garo anime are both just plain boring.
>So what are you lads watching this season?
I'm just gonna focus on old stuff.
I'm still amazed how they managed to fuck Garo up so hard.
That being said, I find this season surprisingly great. Rakugo is extremely good and I don't see it waning any time soon, it might be 3x3-worthy.
Nothing on this season interests me. Waiting for Jojo in April. In the mean time I'll probably keep watching Kamen Rider and I might work on some of the more egregious holes in my /m/ backlog, like Giant Robo or Big O.
Miku's teats were made for suckling. It's as if she wants to get pounced.
There is literally nothing of content to look forward to these days anymore outside of CGDCT (the good ones). All I'm waiting for is Jojo, Symphogear 4 and Dies Irae, after that I'm done with anything new in the medium for good.
Pandora is AOTS, although admittedly this is a pretty bad season. It feels like something that would've been made in the early 00s, not 2016. A very odd breath of fresh air.
>"Baka na no?"
I got tempted and read the scanlated manga chapters, and I have to say it's really interesting.
I wasn't too hooked by Pandora's blurb, but I might give it a go at some point in the future.
Dimension W is pretty interesting; the premise of infinite energy reminds me of Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" just a little bit. Other than that I'm watching Active Raid, Grimgar, and some other stuff from last season, plus 'guilty pleasure' stuff like Bahamut and Phantom World.
Luck & Logic looked interesting.
Continuing stuff like Arc-V.
Short shows like the one about KitaEri using marshmallows to get Inada Tetsu to bang her.
Other than that not much caught my eye.
Hey man, I just have a soft spot for trashy shows.
I think it's a facet of her bikki fetish. Hibiki likes saving kitties, so she likes kitties too and becomes the kitty.
>Luck and Logic
Goddamn. I thought I would tough it out for the main girl (the one in ribbons) but it's just so empty.
Maybe try Erased? Dagashi Kashi is alright too, if you need to scratch your small-town SoL itch.
My brother and I joked about it being yet another MY PARENTS ARE DEAAAAD show, yet there might be something more to it. The mood is somber as fuck, though.
Speaking of which, they convinced Zafira to try a puppy form because it's more efficient at the end of As, but we never see him like that again.
Also the only time we see Alf in Strikers, she's in a younger human form and then we just never saw her at all ever again.
I guess what this post is getting at is where the hell did Alf go, and why don't we ever see Zafira in a younger human for to conserve energy? Dude certainly conserves everything else, including conserving his breath by rarely talking the few times he has screentime.
I literally have nothing better to do right now so I decide to watch BDrip of GX10. They fix some animation error here and there, all small fixes and will go unnoticed unless you're looking for them. They also add 15 seconds to Chris and Leiur fight in the second half.
Zafira's allowed to keep his pride. It might also be related to the Wolkenritter not growing while Hayate does.
And Arf got Yuuno'd.
>Zafira's allowed to keep his pride.
Too late for that
Besides, he seems more like the kind of Belkan who seeks strength rather than living for pride.
Really enjoying Active Raid, Boku Dake ga Inai Machi and Hai to Gensou no Grimgar. Grimgar would probably be my AOTS if it wasn't an LN adaptation doomed to end halfway through.
Besides those three, I'm just kind of halfheartedly watching everything else because it's something to do.
Could really use that next season of Symphogear and Prisma Illya right about now.
Yeah there's Zafira and one or two other guys and then just a pile of girls
>tfw Erio love triangle
>tfw we may never know if
Vice shoots his sister in the face again with his rifle
>tfw FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T LOOK AT THAT SPOILER 'TILL YOU'RE DONE sTRIKERs
I found it kind of funny
>S1 is a bunch of girls plus like four dudes at most
>S2 adds four more main girls and one dude, Yuuno disappears halfway through the season, I guess Chrono was there but Nanoha's brother and father are only there at the beginning and the end iirc; you lost more male characters than female
>S3 there's at most nine dudes in the entire world and I lost goddamn count of how many girls there are
I remember age restrictions being brought up but not gender divisions. On the one hand it wouldn't matter when the entire cast is little girls already, but on the other hand why mention the age categories if everyone's about the same age too, and well within the range?
Even if Aoi never gives up, there is still the chance of others editing way too many wubwubs in.
Any amount of wubwubs in a song not meant to have wubwubs is too many wubwubs
Ignited songs are a terrible idea and I did rather not have the seiyuu strain their vocal chords singing an intense vocal song on an even deeper tone of voice, but there is not much I can do about it short of hoping they ran out of terrible ideas during GX's run.
I'll fight you m8
I hope they brush Ignite under the rug somehow. I like the gear designs but the Ignited songs are all trash compared to the originals.
Have you heard
Yuuki Yuuna's wubmixes?
They're damn good.
The less of GX that makes it to future seasons, the better.
Ignite would've only been a good idea if it were actually as dangerous as it was made out to be but as it stands it adds nothing to the action sequences other than more pure, undiluted power level dependence.
Just Loving, Airgetlahm, and Beyond the Blade Ignites are all good though. So that's still a 3/5ths good Ratio which isn't bad for filler.
TRUST HEART didn't really have anything catchy about it like ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU or Bye Bye Lullaby did. It's an okay song, but not great like Maria's or Hibiki's.
Also fuck you Maria and Tsubasa had amazing Ignites songs.
That makes one wonder how much Miku would cream herself from witnessing Hibiki's Ignite voice and outfit.
Is it wrong? Carol could have been a good villain, the Ignite could have great if it wasn't used just for Carol's shitty plan and I wouldn't even touch topdad because I knew they were going to fuck it knowing Symphogear but he could have been used to develop Hibiki instead of regressing her.
You know what I mean. Even when they somehow didn't predict that Ignite was part of Carol's keikaku they treated it like it was a huge risk to use when the worst thing that might happen from Bakken is Berserk and that's only if they seriously screw up. When Tsubasa and Chris failed all it did was nothing.
Even though the timer never hit zero, if it did there's no reason to be afraid of it since it undoes a transformation but then they could just re-transform. Kaneko could've put something actually dangerous about it in the keywords and then it has some tangible effects.
Well it is MONACA you're talking about there. They did fucking Nier. My favorites are the Mankai and *** remixes.
Airgetlam ignite is definitely equal to the regular version (which is already a great song) and Beyond the Blade ignite is Tsubasa's best song.
It's not so much that they were displayed poorly, it's that everything outside of the fundamental premise was shit. Execution was too bad, it needed a full rewrite. But yeah, Carol and Ignite could have been good if pretty much everything about them was changed.
As for topdad, I don't care how that one got rewritten, the idea of fully forgiving him (the end result Kaneko wanted) was complete shit given what was already established about him. Completely forgiving him after the way they introduced him was just mind blowing.
>As for topdad, I don't care how that one got rewritten, the idea of fully forgiving him (the end result Kaneko wanted) was complete shit given what was already established about him. Completely forgiving him after the way they introduced him was just mind blowing.
I meant that he could have been used to develop her into learning that not everybody must be forgiven.
>I meant that he could have been used to develop her into learning that not everybody must be forgiven.
Oh, I agree 1000%. I just didn't realize we were still allowed to be that optimistic.
The thing is aside from Topdad she's got some other serious family issues
Hopefully the silver lining is since he's been forgiven and apparently that's fucking heiki hecchara that means everything's better now and future seasons won't have stupid drama like GX's.
>future seasons won't have stupid drama like GX's.
I laughed exactly like this
The only other serious issue I can think of is how Hibiki either gets paid like crap or uses her S.O.N.G. funds for random junk instead of helping out her mom when by Hibiki's own admission the family has financial issues.
>better than YAAAH YAAAH YAAAH YAAAH YAAAAAAH
That'd be pretty cool if it were true.
>Giving a single solitary fuck about her poor mother, what she thinks and feels, and what kind of lifestyle she leads
Pick one and only one.
Giving Bikkimom fistfuls of dollars would lead Bikkimom to raise questions about where it would come from, so the money is probably one of the many things S2/SONG forbid Hibiki from talking about in the contract
tl;dr S2/SONG are fucking assholes that send little girls to fight and die and they're the cause of a surprising amount of the bullshit in Symphogear.
Why is she so handsome anyway? Is it because of her songs?
Reminder that someone stopped something worse on that scene. Kaneko was too out of control.
>G-beat IGNITE begins
>Suddenly, all of the geahs are startled by Miku doing an extremely loud and high-pitched fan girl squeal shaking yellow glowsticks
>They all wonder how Miku got to the battlefield to begin with/why she hasn't evacuated yet
Well it's either that or let even more people die to the Noise I guess. The real dick is Fudou for forcing Tsubasa to become a sword, everyone else joined up of their own choice.
Remember, it's all to make way for Kaneko's preferred protagonist.
>Miku asks for help doing housework
>convinces the idiot to use Ignite to get it done quicker
>says she has to use the bathroom
>masturbates furiously to the sound of hibiki's ignaito voice and mopping sounds
I honestly think Hibimom is too weak to do anything after all these years. Just look at her face in >>13806418, she's resigned to her fate.
Worst comes to worst they could have Noise or whatever the fuck attack nearby early on so Hibiki HAS to transform.
>I honestly think Hibimom is too weak to do anything after all these years.
Her face looks like that because her retarded gorilla of a daughter is about to push her back to the man who almost ruined her life.
Exactly, and she's forced into a corner because of it.
He'll end up just getting another job at a conbini since he was apparently manager or something at the one at the beach
I remember the theory that when Hibiki holds that guitar, she develops a spanish accent and shifts personality entirely into a smooth Don Juan that makes every female on a 3km radius wet.
Those were some fun days in /sgg/
Would Hibiki on guitar be something like this?
Hibiki's pretty much a teenage boy except more emotional. Definitely Hibiki.
>S4 will have Hibiki playing guitar
>her songs will have Spanish guitar riffs
>THIS TWISTED GAME NEEDS TO BE RESET
They could literally just make S4 6 hours of topdad and I would still forgive it
Be careful with what you wish for.
S4 could kick off with Hibiki playing guitar, then cut immediately after she starts to Topdad dancing to it.
It could always be worse.
>Symphogear and Symphogear G, special edition
>See Symphogear the way Kaneko always wanted to, but never got the chance!
>Every scene Miku is in has her replaced by Topdad
>It will be like pottery
I think you meant poetry, but I will deny it through the power of self dellusion and suppose you mean I will want to throw a pot at Topdad.
Either that or I will have to get high immediately after watching it.
Say what you want about GX but every single fight against Carol was amazing and better than anything from previous seasons.
Since Carol was pretty much an alchemist Bard with a harp I can see another one with a guitar.
Look at the QUALITY in previous seasons, especially S2 finale, and then come back.
Kyaroru battles were amazing for Symphogear standards. And QUALITY only started appearing after they were fighting for two whole episodes.
Yes characters tossing big attacks at each other letting the attacks end up trading blows and going into long monologues is amazing compared to creative, fast-paced and dynamic fight scenes.
>Hopefully the silver lining is since he's been forgiven and apparently that's fucking heiki hecchara that means everything's better now and future seasons won't have stupid drama like GX's.
But shinphogear is built on stupid drama
Like Miku's LITERAL EVERYTHING up until GX, where she transitioned from Hibiki's chronically needy girlfriend to Hibiki's supportive life partner who's fully willing to slap sense into Bikki when necessary
That's the opposite of stupid drama. Then GX disregarded all of that and the personalities of basically every character to push Topdad and support Hibiki's delusions.
I'd actually be willing to have clips of Topdad retconned into Symphogear and G.
Because as it is, Hibiki's daddy issues come out of nowhere in GX.
If we'd known that her cuntrag father walked out on them as early as Season 1, then things would feel more compleat.
Side note: I'm also annoyed by G retconning Hibiki to have had an awful school life post-Zwei Wing concert. One of the things I liked best about Symphogear was that while it took place at a high school, everyone was so goddamned nice all the time. When Itaba and her friends first popped up I was expecting them to be the standard mean girls or something, but it turns out that everyone at Lydian except their homeroom teacher is a lovely person.
And then G comes along and it turns out everything is shit EXCEPT Lydian.
>There is more to good fights that good choreography.
You're right. And it didn't have those things, either.
He was in keywords for season 1 and he flat out showed up abandoning her in season 2.
Carol's song is really fucking good
But the fights themselves were unimpressive, like the Nephilim fight in G
We've still yet to get something as good as the final battle against Fine
>that sync with the OP
>those kinetic cuts
>he flat out showed up abandoning her in season 2
I don't remember that
I remember the scenes of Hibiki getting bullied and Hibimom actually doing something once in her life, but I don't remember Topdad until S3
I am seriously imagining Lydian as some sort of training school for Disney princesses, a few steps away from a gray mess of a Town where everyone is a huge asshole.
>Terashima starts singing about how great life is
>Walks around Lydian singing, being followed by birds and butterflies
>Makes one step outise of Lydian
>Random due tells her to shut up at the same time she is splashed by a car speeding through
>When Itaba and her friends first popped up I was expecting them to be the standard mean girls or something
>"Oh my God, Terashima, you can't just ask someone why they're birds."
But the final fight in S1 is just them unloading on a big rock. And S2 finale is simply horrible.
Fight with Fine before the moon action is just them hitting her over and over again and her just regenerating. Even if it looks good.
There were some very good action sequences in previous seasons, but GX easily had the best finale. Very good direction and very good songs even if it was just beamspam.
Someone never read the manga. And even in the anime, there was choreography, suspense, and a proper showing of powers.
This panel that started the beam struggle craze is legendary. Nothing in GX can even hope to come remotely close.
>But the final fight in S1 is just them unloading on a big rock
I ASSURE YOU THOSE TITS ARE REAL
This. The character's personalities and motivations actually had thought put into them before this, and the drama was (most of the time) a natural offshoot of that.
>I'd actually be willing to have clips of Topdad retconned into Symphogear and G.
No. GX is already fucked. We're not going to un-fuck it. Don't tread all over the good seasons.
Nah, this is where the effort went.
It's time to stop baiting now.
I would agree with people saying GX had some good parts, and plot points to it, but I wouldn't say the fights were any better than previous ones. Removing Bikki's martial arts in favour of her straight forward hospital bed style is not a good thing.
Even in GX, Chris's senpai issue can be seen as her moving on from being able to trust and rely on people into wanting to be relied on.
Too bad they handle it in the worst possible way.
Chris issue in season one was making friends and opening up to people after her ordeal. I think most people will agree her development in season one was the best character development in the series by a pretty wide margin. Season two let her take it a step further and rely on someone that she looked up to. It was nice. GX's next step was for her to let someone rely on and look up to her, which in theory makes sense, and then they executed it in the worst fucking way possible to the point that some people even hate the basic idea behind it.
S2 put the entire budget into the first few episodes. Yes, they look great. But second half of the show is a joke animated by 3 koreans paid with bags of rice.
While S1 had such hilarious cases of QUALITY they are legendary. I wish I still had that Tsubasa paper mario gif.
GX sold 4 times better than S1. Think about that for a moment. Even if you don't like it the vast majority of the fanbase loved it.
And yes, the middle episodes are shit. And drama is retarded. Just like in every previous season.
>GX sold 4 times better than S1. Think about that for a moment. Even if you don't like it the vast majority of the fanbase loved it.
I'd attribute that more to the increasing popularity of the franchise.
I don't think GX is the Megashoah the way some of the people here think it is, and I quite like it, but its success isn't attributable only to itself.
>Revered by famous mangaka, animators and millions of fans
>Started most battle shounen cliches
>One of the best selling series ever
It's ok anon, your opinion matters.
Finally caught on that calling it DBZ is a dead giveaway that you've never actually read the series and only watched a few episodes while it was airing on toonami while you were growing up? Good for you.
It's worse than that, what Topdad did really was devastating, we are shown the effects it had on Hibiki. It's just solved in an absurdly unsatisfying way, with Topdad being an ass until the very end.
>GX sold 4 times better than S1. Think about that for a moment. Even if you don't like it the vast majority of the fanbase loved it.
A lot of people have hopped on board with the series after S1 or G originally aired. That and I'm pretty sure at least a portion of people bought it anyways because they don't want the series to end on such a shit note, they've said as much in these threads. I don't really agree with their logic but that's just how these things go.
For the shows that started this season:
Ooya-san wa Shishunki
Unlimited Bahamut Chronicle
Mahou Shoujo Nante Mou ii desukara.
Haruchika (though I'm falling behind on that due to the time of week it airs)
Luck & Logic
Komugi-chan R (Yes, I have seen the OVAs. No, I don't mind that they're doing something different with it.)
Also continuing Utawarerumono 2 and GoPri, will be watching MahoPri once that starts.
All in all, I'd consider it a decent season. Plenty of decent-to-good shows, and from my list there aren't really any that I feel I'm having to force myself to watch.
>But second half of the show is a joke animated by 3 koreans paid with bags of rice.
>Even if you don't like it the vast majority of the fanbase loved it.
Complete and utter bullshit. It's loaded with goodies. I hate GX and I still bought a bunch of merch. Check 2ch, they have the same gripes we do. People buy it for the VAs, songs, goodies and concert tickets. Don't pretend for a second it's universally loved.
>And drama is retarded. Just like in every previous season.
Go ahead and point out what was retarded in season 1, and what was retarded in season 2 that didn't involve FIS being useless?
>I'm just going to assume you don't know the entire manga was just called Dragon Ball in Japan and this somehow has something to do with the fights being brain dead shit or not!
Wow, picking few seconds of good animation while everybody was laughing at quality in livewatch threads.
And it's not even just about action quality. G finale was simply horrible. Boring as hell and without a good villain.
Idiot, you were the one calling it DBZ, and as everyone knows the people who call it DBZ are toonamibabbies who didn't read the manga.
>fights being brain dead shit
And that's how you prove you've never actually read it. There's a reason Toriyama is looked up to, and literally every mangaka in the business tried copying his fights. His paneling, perspective, choreography, sense of motion, weight and impact, and hype are unmatched for martial arts.
This was well animated but generally retarded. I get that someone wanted to animate that attack "realistically" and it's well executed but it's the equivalent of dick fencing someone.
Good job you found the 5 seconds of good animation in the last 3 episodes.
>S2 put the entire budget into the first few episodes. Yes, they look great. But second half of the show is a joke animated by 3 koreans paid with bags of rice.
And GX fucking isn't? At least that incoherently absurdly ill-planned waste of cash gave us cool shit like the nephlim fight and Monochrome. The second half of GX isn't just animated on napkins by Kaneko's nephew, it lacks something that makes watching through worth it.
>While S1 had such hilarious cases of QUALITY they are legendary. I wish I still had that Tsubasa paper mario gif.
And your point is? Again, S1 had quality coming out of it's ears, but at least it gave us an equal ammount of good moments. That is severely lacking in GX. The fights are dull and predictable, the characters relate like they are in some sort of commercial and the only attempt at a breather episode doomed the whole production
>GX sold 4 times better than S1. Think about that for a moment. Even if you don't like it the vast majority of the fanbase loved it.
People were countering this argument before anyone retarded enough to come around and make it even existed.
1-Even if more people liked it, that doesn't make GX any less bad
2-It's quite rare for a later season to undersell in relation to the original, even more so when it's an original idea not based in some other form of source material
>And yes, the middle episodes are shit. And drama is retarded. Just like in every previous season.
Even if I were to accept that anything even REMOTELY as bad as the Topdad shit ever happened in S1 or G, that still doesn't change that GX lacked the charm of the previous seasons and was severely lacking in GOOD scenes. Saying "GX had just as many bad scenes as the previous 2" doesn't speak to the strength of GX, it speaks in detriment to S1 and G. Difference is, they had their good parts to balance it out.
>Revered by famous mangaka, animators and millions of fans
>Started most battle shounen cliches
>One of the best selling series ever
Of course. But none of that happened because of good animation.
Shit, first Star Wars had completely horrible action and a laughingstock of a sword duel if you just look at choreography. That sure mattered for millions of people who fell in love with it.
>Wow, picking few seconds of good animation while everybody was laughing at quality in livewatch threads.
So me a single cut from the GX finale that looks anywhere near as good. Go on, I'll wait.
>Boring as hell and without a good villain.
Ver was at least funny and maniacal. Carol was one of the worst and most boring villains of all time.
>I get that someone wanted to animate that attack "realistically" and it's well executed but it's the equivalent of dick fencing someone.
Do you know anything about animation or are you just smushing words together?
>Good job you found the 5 seconds of good animation in the last 3 episodes.
And that's about 5 seconds more than GX.
>Idiot, you were the one calling it DBZ
Ah, of course. You're not this guy
from the direct chain of replies, you're just an idiot who wanted to jump into the conversation and shitpost like a retard without making a point because he saw a word he liked.
>wow this lady who subjects me to sadomasochistic torture doesn't have my best interest at heart what a shocker
>FIS being weakass LINKER junkies
>no good villain
>miku hurling Solomon's Cane a few miles into the air
Do you seriously think the "legions of kids all over the word" mentioned in >>13806785 read the manga? Shit, you're a dense one.
And yes there are plenty of manga artists who do martial arts better than Toriyama. Get over it.
>Ver was at least funny and maniacal.
He wasn't though. He was just shit. Only idiots and meme autists liked Ver.
And Carol was the best villain in the series by far. Go rewatch the first season and realize how shit Fine was. She had few minutes of good scenes. That's it.
Okay guy we get that G is the dankest anime of your entire life but get the fuck over it and shut up already.
>Do you seriously think that people read the Dragonball manga
Seriously, just how fucking stupid are you?
>And yes there are plenty of manga artists who do martial arts better than Toriyama. Get over it.
There really aren't. Get over it.
Star Wars literally had no good action. At all. But it had some incredibly good emotional and iconic moments. Because emotions of the characters matter much more than swinging swords while jumping around.
You do not pull Hope into your little petty squabble.
Even if the choreography of a passion project science fiction movie made in 77 was bad, that doesn't excuse your petty gripe with DragonBall at all.
>Star Wars literally had no good action. At all.
Yep, this is where I can confirm you're baiting.
>swinging swords while jumping around.
They didn't start jumping more than two feet until 1998, you shit.
You said "Do you really think people read the manga."
Dragonball is the third highest selling manga of all time, and only has a fraction as many total volumes as the 2 series that outsold it. Seriously, how fucking stupid are you?
And now observe as the wild Angricus Maximus reaches the point in their mating ritual where they've completely forgotten about their original argument and start flinging insults and feces at each other. Magnificent.
He's an idiot. DBZ anime was 20 times more popular than the manga.
And while manga has some nice action there are manga that have much better action and many times better art. While DBZ anime had shit action and that's a fact.
>THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT READ MANGA AND CARE ABOUT FIGHTS THAT MATTER FOR THIS DISCUSSION ARE AMERICAN KIDS IN THE 90S
No. You can't actually be that fucking stupid.
Oh, and for the record it's sold about 80 million copies outside of Japan. So yeah, you're still an idiot.
Oh that reminds me, here's that ponytail Miku I meant to post last night
Chris is still the best though We need another "Chris getting forced into a training montage" episode
>nowadays we have the dollsfags who worship characters that are literally one-dimentional
>implying Kanadefags haven't been doing that since S1E1
It's all the same shit.
None of the characters are that well-written. Some are just worse than others.
And here we have the Meta complainus show a flagrant display of ignorance for how species and genius are written, while deluding themselves into thinking anyone finds their passive aggressive whining to carry any discernible wit or humor.
The entire argument was "you can have great fights without great choreography". And SW are a perfect example here since they had no good fight choreography until Bespin happened.
It's the same with GX. Final fight had mediocre choreography but was still great regardless.
> Oh, and for the record it's sold about 80 million copies outside of Japan.
Yes, now it has, including the East Asian market that has basically always read manga.
The western world had no idea what manga was until the 00's, well after the initial boom of DBZ's popularity.
>Final fight had mediocre choreography but was still great regardless.
Star Wars' fights were great on the original trilogy because even when they lacked good choreography, which is like one of three fights, they had the emotional aspect to them
GX did NOT have that. The GX finale was NOT good.
Garie and Carol are the only good things about GX really.
All the main girls because boring or developed brain problems. Or both. Topdad shit was just beyond horrible and that last scene with Hibimom was simply disturbing.
>I'm going to beat up your brother because he bullied you
>no please don't beat up my brother I love him
>What how is this possible
>I'm going to betray my friends in an attempt to coerce Ver to give me his staff
>What my plan totally backfired
>I'm going to grossly oversimplify something, change and remove details that remove the context and buildup (because that's not important in story telling) and then pretend I have a point
Oh boy! The shitposting in this thread is great.
Fine's dream is driven by her immense boner for God anon
It's like how Miku's boner for Hibiki makes her think that fists can heal, and not hurt, even though all they ever do is hurt
Because the reason behind her actions and how well those scenes played into her character is not fucking important, apparently.
Seriously, did you expect the characters to recite what they are feeling out of fucking nowhere out loud in literal terms?
>>I'm going to grossly oversimplify something, change and remove details that remove the context and buildup (because that's not important in story telling) and then pretend I have a point
Sounds like every post-GX discussion about Hibiki's character.
It's one of the best coincidences ever.
Except that Hibiki's character was discussed in great detail with proper context, and she was garbage in GX to the point that even the diehard Bikifags are just writing the whole thing off as "Nope, doesn't count."
I'd be the first one to say that that happens a lot around here, but it wasn't the case this time.
Dude said that GX had the best finale and afterwards started to shit on G and S1. Somehow, he even sparked 2 separate discussions shitting on DragonBall and comparing A New Hope to GX
>though there was some brawling used for father-daughter reconciliation.
Specifically that. Whatshernuts got over her androphobia and mended her relationship with her dad by decking him in the jaw and using that to explain her true feelings to him, which he perfectly understood and realized he had been a foolish father and begged for forgiveness.
GX's was better than G's up until the very end, where G pulls ahead, but not better than S1's
Miku shotputting Solomon's cane several kilometers in the air was worth that entire dreary Nephilim fight though
You know what? I can accept that.
I don't agree with it, but that is a reasonable point of view.
I was half joking. Half in that I was kidding about actually giving Hibiki Androphobia, but 100% serious in that someone needs to deck Topdad really hard.
Also, 3 replies to me in a row. Weird.
>GX's was better than G's up until the very end,
No it wasn't. GX's finale was shit.
>We gotta sto- I mean save Carol!
>Oh no, she has 7 gorrilian swan songs!
>pew pew pew
>Hibiki, there's a crying girl! topdad2015nevar4get!
>Oh no, FIS is dead!
>Oh boy, FIS is back!
>Activate the double triple deluxe ignite module with that nifty looking timer!
>Activate the roomba-bot!
>Papa's memory saved Carol!
>We did it guys! We saved the city!
No. No it most certainly was not better.
>So was G's, that's the point
Genjuro punched a thing. The final attack actually killed the enemy and looked cooler. They weren't trying to save a mass murderer. Topdad wasn't there.
G's wasn't good, but it was sure as hell better than GX's.
>They weren't trying to save a mass murderer
That's true, Hibiki actually succeeded at saving the mass murder in G, rather than failing completely like with Carol
Also Ver killed less people
G didn't have each character give a speech about what an awesome guy Ver was, and how he was just scared and needed to be saved that completely contradicted everything ever and made every main character look retarded.
That was some of the worst dialog in the series.
Hibiki also didn't go out of her way to go snatch him up and save him. Genjuro went after him and just caught him with no trouble or casualties. Hibiki also tried to kill Ver once.
It'd be fun seeing anyone training with Chris.
I wanted to see FIS's reaction to Genjuro's training regiments, too.
Even funnier, he could drag Fujitaka and Tomosato into it for no fucking reason
Anyone in those training segments would be fun. He could drag the lady from flower, Terashima or the teacher, and I'd still accept it
>It's time to train!
>Tsubasa looks indiferent, Hibiki looks happy and Chris looks annoyed
>FIS girls look confused
>Cut to the training montage, with Chris and the bridge bunnies lagging way behind, wondering what the fuck they are doing there
>Hibiki also didn't go out of her way to go snatch him up and save him. Genjuro went after him and just caught him with no trouble or casualties. Hibiki also tried to kill Ver once.
Right, so Carol's got more in common with Fine than Ver
Except Fine is a real human bean and true hero while Carol's a murderer and Ver's a wannabe
>Right, so Carol's got more in common with Fine than Ver
I don't know what the hell that has to do with anything, but Fine had a clear-cut goal and worked towards it. Carol was a brat throwing a tantrum with a super fucking cool keikaku that broke down and then she didn't even try to make sense of anything.
>Carol was a brat throwing a tantrum with a super fucking cool keikaku that broke down and then she didn't even try to make sense of anything.
That's literally the point of her character, anon
The problem is that it's a bad point
>Dude, it's the climactic moment of G, when she claims Gungnir from Maria right after preventing her from gutting him
You're right, she went up there to save him, not stop him. That's why she begged him to stay when he ran away.
You fucking retard.
>You're right, she went up there to save him, not stop him
No she went up there to save MARIA
She just happened to save Dr. Ver because that's what the hypocrite does, saving people who don't deserve it
>No she went up there to save MARIA
That's my point, stupid. She never even tried to save Ver. She didn't CARE about Ver, because he was evil, almost killed, kidnapped, and cyborg'd Miku.
Hibiki never saved Ver, contrary to what you say.
You are acting like if first two finales were any better.
Remember how in S1 everybody died in an emotional moment, then came back? And they blew up a big rock while singing? Overall S1 finale is still better than the other two, but Carol was way better than Fine.
And you could make an exactly the same post nitpicking about S1 finale flaws.
>Hibiki never saved Ver
>despite her literally saving him while powerless at the end of episode 12
Fucking delusional Bikkifags
>Genjuro punched a thing.
Genjuro is the dumbest thing in the show. I hope he never does anything again. He almost ruined the Fine fight in the first season and some Naruto loving autists praise it like if it was great. If you want big dudes punching things watch some gay shit and stay away from mecha musume.
>Genjuro is the dumbest thing in the show
He really is. Him nearly soloing Fine detracts from the power and agency of the heroes.
Seriously, adults are useless in this genre for a good reason.
That was more like saving Maria from becoming a murderer on international TV than saving Ver from being killed. If Maria had killed Ver there she would have never been able to live like she is now.
Not really trying to play devil's advocate, but I seriously doubt she would have let Maria just gut him right in front of her.
Trying to understand everyone is Hibiki's thing, it's obnoxious in GX because Carol broke any measure of plausibility about it.
Not even sure you understand what hipocrisy even is. Hibiki always tried to save everyone, friend and foe, her trying to save as many people as possible isn't out of character or hypocritical.
Putting innocent lives at risk instead of engaging Carol or the dolls on the other hand...
>That was more like saving Maria from becoming a murderer on international TV than saving Ver from being killed
Man she would have been fine. If the American government could turn a lab-raised orphan with terrible self esteem and a dead little sister into TOPPU ARTIST without even having to give one producer a handjob, then I'm sure the American government could spin it so that Ver was some kind of Triple Bin Hitler or something and make her a national hero for bisecting him on-camera.
>but I seriously doubt she would have let Maria just gut him right in front of her.
Hibiki would have stopped a person from gutting another person, yes. See >>13807311
But note that Hibiki didn't try to preach to the person about to be gutted.
Seriously every time he's onscreen I feel warm inside
They point out why that wouldn't work out, since regardless of how they spin things the truth is that Ver was believing in his own justice.
So if he were to be killed then he still gets his wish because he dies a martyr.
>And I'm certain Chris killed somebody before
I'm actually not sure if she's killed anybody directly.
She's certainly directly responsible for everyone killed by the Noise during her Solomon's Cane bullshit, but she's squeamish about actually hurting people herself (hence her brief hesitation when Miku's present while she's fighting Hibiki).
Could Chris... be a hypocrite?
>Is the guy that always does mental gymnastic/purposely misinterpret things to dislike Hibiki's character always the same person?
Yes. And he's a rabid Chrisfag to boot, which makes us true Chrisfags look bad.
Presumably he gets home from work around this time, which is why these threads always devolve into nonstop bitching about GX.
Her keikaku was horrible. Even if it had gone through, how far she got with it despite how particular and easy to thwart it was is already implausible.
She had to get the small number of dolls(4) destroyed by different people in a particular way. To that end, each doll attacked one at a time, no failsafe for the rather plausible possibility of the gears ganging up on one of them instead of IGNITING, or the same gear killing more than one, or the one specialized at fighting swords fighting someone who didn't use swords(Hibiki was in the hospital, but what would she have done if Chris tagged along with Tsubasa instead of Maria? Or DMJii, for that matter.)
Carol was beyond every level of retarded, her plan only worked as well as it did because of the idiocy of SONG
I'd be okay with it if his MUH MANLY MEN stuff is mostly confined to the early parts of the show. The training montage in 1 and G are fine, for example. But him overshadowing the heroes is unforgivable.
She was controlling everything. She was watching their movements through Elf9. She knew where every gear was at every point. She was capable of setting up doll attacks perfectly.
And it was all going perfectly until one episode she does something incredibly stupid only so we could have Ver in the plot. Why just stand there after getting the item? They had fucking instant teleport things.
>And I'm certain Chris killed somebody before
Not on camera, though. No one ever saw she directly killed someone. Not to mention, Chris' mentality is way stronger than Maria so it makes sense that she would still able to live normally. Maria, on the other hand, would just go into a fetal position and likely kill herself from all the guilt before long.
>Not to mention, Chris' mentality is way stronger than Maria
Considering the shit she's been through she would have to be
Maria just had dead parents, dead sister, and science slavery
Chris has dead parents and years of slavery abuse
The best part is that he never really overshadowed them. He did shit to Fine. Just damaged her a little. While next episode Tsubasa cuts her in half or Hibiki rips her apart and that still couldn't kill her.
Genjuro never had a chance. But show presents it in such a way that it seems like he's 10 times more powerful than Fine. Completely destroying the final boss hype.
>I'm seeing quite a few people calling her an idiot right now
Given the IPs, there are only a couple ragging on her right now, me and you. And I'm
a Bikkifag who wants her to get better
>me and you
But I'm not taking part in this one. I just saw one of the idiot meta-complainers wanted to call him a faggot because from an outsiders perspective I can see at least a few people saying less than kind things about GX Biki right now. "Everyone I don't like must be that one guy" is one of the stupidest fucking things you can post.
>can't somehow measure the exact amount of posters taking part of a discussion despite all of us being Anonymous
>is meta-posting, yet tries to claim some sort of moral high-ground compared to other Anons metaposting and whines about them
Jesus Christ, stop posting.
Carol should've just killed him like a goddamn insect when she had the chance.
You would understand how much a gentle fist can heal if you had Hibiki's inside of you, anon.
Hibiki will only get better if Miku is given more screentime. Didn't you notice? She almost always act cool whenever Miku is watching. When Miku was not there, she either jobbed, went berserk or pulled a topdad/Carol.
The only time she jobbed in front of Miku was when Mika and Garie doubled team her and even then, she still managed to pull look cool for awhile.
I won't be satisfied unless he dies in a horrible way.
>The first time she actually fought Chris was right after she transformed to save Miku, too.
>Talking to Miku is what gets Bikki out of her Gblues
You might be onto something, anon!
The only thing I really liked about the FaustRobe was in Terashima day, when another anon pointed out that her hat and colors kinda resenbled Terashima's costume in the culture festival. Minus cat ears and tail of course
I was getting worried since people on the moon were having theirs arrive 4 days ago, but my proxy finally got it today. I'm thankful that the lame symphomerch era has ended.
I'd teach you the wonders of male buttstuff, but it's pointless since Miku isn't a male making it pointless.
Maybe its time to let go of GX and to stop clinging to it
Like yeah its the weakest season of Symphogear but we've pretty much hit that /m/ level of "Is this really all we can talk about?" like GSD and Valverave at their peak.
I just finished a rewatch of all three seasons, and while the things that annoyed me are definitely still present (specifically, Miku missing for two episodes in GX aside from a phonecall and a text) I enjoyed myself the whole way.
Season 1's still my favourite though.
I liked the mid parts of S1, never really bothered me since the SoL was still great and the subplots were starting to get interesting sans Miku getting fed up with Hibiki being too Hibiki.
It would have been the safest, but least likely to fail way to finish up his arc. I honestly can't imagine why they didn't do it if they weren't going for the "Hibiki learns not everyone is worth forgiving" root.
A sacrifice actually let's use realize he did something selfless (instead of just going through the motions) and it saves them the trouble of having to address whether or not he was fully forgiven. It's the cheap and easy way out, but it's better than what we got.
I wouldn't call it entirely garbage but it's flawed from the start.
We are show/hinted about Carol's master keikaku from the start, and how pretty much everything up until the finale is some grand scheme of her. This takes away most of the tension from the battles, specially on the second half as the dolls are pretty much supposed to lose.
Oh, and Carol's stupid plan goes nowhere and falls appear in one or two episodes.
Debatable. Episode 6 has its charms, even if some people hate the first IGNITE attempt
The very few cute jokes like the glasses or the cool scissors get a smile out of me, the Basasode isn't horrible and the gun-kata is cool, although the rest of the Chrisode is garbage.
>Rehashing shitty drama and destroying old characterization
>Predictable and boring villain
>Every character is too stupid to figure out what's going on
>Pre-set pairs with no interactions outside of that
>Hardly any Miku
>Villain literally has no motivation
>Finale is a letdown
>The dolls are the only remotely good thing Carol does, and they disappear after jobbing on purpose
The only good thing to come out of the series after episode 2 was Ver. The rest was trash.
>We are show/hinted about Carol's master keikaku from the start, and how pretty much everything up until the finale is some grand scheme of her. This takes away most of the tension from the battles, specially on the second half as the dolls are pretty much supposed to lose.
It's almost as bad as Young Justice
The whole season wasn't complete and utter trash, like some tryhards want to spout everywhere, but yes, it was very flawed. Poor writing, decisions and execution kept it from being something better.
I will metapost all I want, you cuck. My issue was not against metaposting, but rather that Anon being a bigot and a hypocrite.(complaining about metaposters while indulging in metaposting himself)
I wrote this in my last post by the way, but it seems your reading comprehension is shit.
>complaining about metaposters while indulging in metaposting himself
Speaking of reading comprehension, I guess you missed where his primary complaint was metaposting and complaining that people were discussing the show, and that people are still playing boobyman blame game when someone says something they don't like.
But yeah, I'm the one with no reading comprehension.
Oh good, we're not even pretending not to be off-board shitposters anymore.
Yeah, so you just have shit taste.
GX was flawed as fuck but had many great moments. Every other season also had horrible flaws people forget because GX was a bit worse. And GX had the best villain by far. Carol and dolls were better than the good guys.