At least they don't try to jump from 1,000ft tall burning buildings
That's part of the charm and part of the magic.
I fondly remember watching reruns of Ultraman Ace on Chinese TV just to watch for zippers on the suits.
Also Yoko was hot for the 90s
Hey, whatever sounds best works. A lot of the blaster noises from the original Star Wars is a guy wandering in the desert for three days, banging stuff together, and recording it. Godzilla's roar is the sound of a leather glove being run over a loose-stringed bass.
That's pretty cool actually
I ought to start watching Ultraman
The 1966 Ultraman, where visual quality can vary between surprisingly decent and literally just the actors standing in front of a projector screen.
Is that gif supposed to support your negative implication?
It's not working
>Get some of the team you already have working and thus have already paid to throw dirt in front of the camera for a few minutes
>Paying people to render dirt in a specific manner being thrown up by the actors in a small time frame.
One of these things is cheaper than the other. And in my opinion, even bad practical effects look better than mediocre CGI.
I like how '66 Ultraman did something similar to the typical toku location-changing, but it was due to the monster's spacetime powers and was played as humor.
Not the same source, but there was a toku documentary in English for Godzilla's 60th anniversary that also covered Ultraman stuff. Title was something like "
The Amazing World of Japanese Special Effects".
Some things look really weird when you look at them from a different angle.
Not my words
“Sure, I would love to keep making tokusatsu, but the reality is that C.G. is now cheaper, faster and can do more,” said Mr. Oka, who worked as cameraman and then director on nine Ultraman movies. “If Eiji Tsuburaya were still alive, he would use C.G. We have no choice.”
Different budget, different time frame, different production schedule. And he's not talking about a single effect shot, he's talking about practical effects in big budget films, not small budget TV shows.
That's actually really cool. I knew they slowed down the footage slightly to increase that illusion of size, but I didn't know they straight up threw the dirt and debris with their hands. I always thought it was like compressed air or stunt charges.
Dumbass, I count eight people to make one shot, how the fuck is that low-budget?
I think toku started to lost steam for the oil crisis on the 70s and Star Wars. The latter changed Hollywood forever. Toku didn't look worse than shows like Star Trek or Lost in Space, in fact it was more action-driven and funnier from a kids perspective with all the action sequences and weird monsters. Then Lucas revolutionized special effects and toku started to look worse compared to Hollywood productions. Also, the western audience became infantilized and trash subproducts started to get 200 millions of budget and global publicity campaigns for giving the illusion of quality, see Marvel. Toku just can't compite.
>He's talking about the ratings...
(the ratings are not actually that bad though)
Don't get your jimmies so rustled on 4chin, Anon.
Alternatively, go back to Tumblr or something.
The ratings are decent but the problem is that...executives thought Tiga was going to pull in those crazy numbers the original Ultraman did. (high 30%s) They were disappointed when they saw they were basically inline with every other toku at the time.
Toku at the time wasn't doing it that great either. Sentai was going through its worst hour and a year later would lost its time slot, Changerion was a flop and Rider was still on hiatus. I don't know how was performing 1996 MH
There's a book with the entire history of how the Ultraman franchise crash and burn but it isn't translated to english
Aside from the problems caused by the oil crisis, Leo was kind of stuck with a production that couldn't decide whether it should be for kids like Taro or try to appeal to longterm adult fans.
Tsuburaya was a very old-fashioned company who refused to keep up with the new methods of financing. They created an illusion of profitability when they were actually losing money. The series did good, mind you, just not enough to sustain the huge costs of production.
Even though it was personally my favorite part of the show, having a martial arts film inspired Ultra show was probably a huge mistake as far as trying to appeal to the adult fans.
The producers on Tiga basically said this, in lighter terms, to the people funding the show. They knew from the outset they were being given unrealistic expectations.
MH was always fairly consistent, good ratings, almost always better than Sentai, and average toy sales.
>MH was always fairly consistent, good ratings, almost always better than Sentai, and average toy sales.
Right until Kabutack and Robotack somehow killed all of that goodwill overnight. If only there were enough available raws so people could see why.
Still beats Nexus being nipped at the bud by being shunted into another timeslot.
>Right until Kabutack and Robotack somehow killed all of that goodwill overnight. If only there were enough available raws so people could see why.
At least in terms of ratings, those last two shows improved upon the previous years. They did beetle robots because the toy from B-Fighter Kabuto actually sold really well.
Guess the toys didn't sell, then. Granted, it doesn't help that a much older show already had similar toy designs before.
Because people liked the cartoony aspect of that robot.
To be fair, what little I've seen of those shows is actually not bad? It's not this super kiddy baby thing. They're more along the lines of a comedy series than anything else.
It's not that those shows did bad. It's just that Kuuga and Agito did too damn good, especially Agito. Originally, Ryuki was planned to be a MH but Bandai got overexcited with Rider's success and wanted to exploit the brand a little more. Also, toku tried for an entire decade to do something different and it was constantly rejected by the audience but somehow Kuuga/Agito made it among the mainstream audience
Well no wonder. Of course, they did put MH on hiatus for a few years by that point, so that's a contributing factor.
I say that it's the supermodel actors. Sure, the dark and down-to-earth tone helped, but one can't deny this.
Fushigi Comedy, to be exact. The thing is, no one can judge them fairly because of the near-complete lack of available raws (except the two movies that get harped on), unlike something like Fiveman. It doesn't help that they are considered infamous among toku subbers. Unless Kabutack and Robotack get DVDs, this reputation will remain.
>It's not this super kiddy baby thing.
Same for Ultraman, although that one forced meme goes on regardless.
Yeah I think there's a kneejerk reaction among fans. They're definitely more in line with that set of Fushigi Comedy shows that had kids following a masked man and trying to figure out his identity. I've seen about 10 episodes of each and they were a lot of fun, only one or two episodes in the lot that I didn't enjoy.
There's a few stubborn ne'er do wells both shows' casts have to fight from time to time. I mean, why else would they need to transform? That said, Hironobu Kageyama must've really loved his job, since he got to sing the OP for Robotack, bizarrely enough.
They fight each other. The shows didn't usually have monsters, just the heroic group of robots and an enemy robot group:
It is actually a lot of fun to watch these giant goofy costumes move around an interact with humans before they transform. I've personally always been a fan of their transformed states, I think the designers really had a blast with them.
I thought people would understand this by now.
That park with the stone pillars shows up a lot too.
sorry if this is spoonfeeding, but is there a reference site for locations of all the recurring spots in toku shows? i've found a couple random blogs for sentai, but that's all.
Remember when Terui was horrified to find his house covered in plastic wrap?
Well, someone on 20th Century Fox loved how Weather Dopant died.
Promo material for the upcoming movie, I assume.
say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens
>*excluding Ultraman 80 and Yullian
80 looks cute sometimes, but in the dumb want-to-bully kind of way
Nah, he just looks fuckin' mad all the time.
Fair enough. His human form is like that too.
Not hard given that the other one's an edgy teenager.
People always point out the "vagina head" but I'm afraid I just don't see it.
I don't remember that. I do recall some ancient artwork or whatever in the first episode about how Demaaga was defeated by a giant of light a long time ago, but it didn't sound like it was about X in particular.
Are you saying that it involves a lot of punching?
I'm watching Tiga right now at a snail's pace (watched episode 5 today) as my first Ultraman and I think it's pretty good. Loving the practical effects and action sequences, though I could do without the CG. The writing and music are surprisingly decent as well. Are any of the 2000's or 10's Ultraman shows worth a watch, or should I watch the original and 7 afterwards?
I like violence and grit in my Ultramans and I fucking loved Cosmos. It was pretty cute, and the cast was great.
Slow start though. I was considering dropping it after the first 12 eps or so because it seemed lackluster.
>tfw Cosmos will never hug and pet you
why even live?
I notice you didn't recommend Ultra Seven.
Just know that Dyna and Gaia won't get full subs for a while, because Hi no Tori are cowards. Which is a shame, since Gaia was head written by Konaka and it's some of his best work.
Also, Nexus is pretty good for a modern take on a grittier Ultra.
I wonder what happened behind the scenes. They killed the entire cast and replaced them with 11 episodes left. It felt more like a reboot except it came a little too late. Taking Tooru out of the equation, it could easily be Ultraman Leo RX.
The biggest question is, what's up with Dan's hideous moustache?
>Just know that Dyna and Gaia won't get full subs for a while, because Hi no Tori are cowards.
What the fuck does this mean?
CR is subbing Ultraman stuff, and they're afraid their work will be wasted (and they'd rather people support the actual releases, I'm sure) when/if CR gets to Dyna and Gaia. Definitely wouldn't call them cowards for that, though.
Could have been a budget issue. Leo was facing financial problems because of the oil crisis.
>The biggest question is, what's up with Dan's hideous moustache?
Maybe Tsuburaya didn't want all those stay-at-home mothers to complain about removing Dan from the show. Dude turned 10/10 to fucking hideous with that thing on.
It can't be a coincidence that he 'died' in the same episode, I'm sure.
That's my theory, anyway, cause I got nothing otherwise
>CR is subbing Ultraman stuff, and they're afraid their work will be wasted (and they'd rather people support the actual releases, I'm sure) when/if CR gets to Dyna and Gaia. Definitely wouldn't call them cowards for that, though.
Yeah, I wouldn't even call that fear, they just don't want to waste their time on work being done by someone else.
Chaiyo was also a reason at the time, since there was some new court thing going on between Tsuburaya, but for obvious reasons (lol Chaiyo) it's not really a concern. It's mainly CR that's the issue.
I wish Gaia was subbed, partially because I don't know whether or not to buy the Ultra-act. The figure is becoming harder to find (and I don't want to start paying more for the dude), but I don't feel any connection to Gaia himself to throw the money now.
In fairness, Hi no Tori aren't very quick anyways, so it's no big deal. There's no doubt CR will tackle Dyna and Gaia sooner or later, but the only question is "when?".
Personally, the mustache reminds me of Lando (sorry, "Landow") from The Killing of Satan, somehow.
How is CR not an issue? They've proven that they're still subbing Ultraman series.
Of course, we don't know if they'll ever do Gaia/Dyna, let alone anything after Nexus.
I just noticed that Seven had some really kissable lips going on.
They actually weren't in front of a projector.
They were behind it. This is so their shadows aren't so bad (like if you stood in front of a projector).
Still looks awful though.
I didn't say "not an issue" I said "not that much of an issue." They likely don't have the resources to go after people legally and even if they did, people actually stealing their work would be higher up on their to-do list than a group that releases an episode once every millennia.
The thing to also remember about CR is that nobody really knows what they're doing until it's already done.
Adding to that, it's better to avoid tempting fate by subbing something that'll get done by someone else anyway, and simply drop the show to save time and resources on more obscure/legally impossible things instead (which has repeatedly been demonstrated by the amount of projects Skaro Hunting Society tried to complete, only for them to get licensed).
>They likely don't have the resources to go after people legally and even if they did,
Missing the point. The problem isn't CR going after them--it's rather the fansubber's efforts being put to waste when CR starts to sub it.
The only thing I can really say to that is that they should get over it.
>The only thing I can really say to that is that they should get over it.
Someone needs to get over it, just not who you think it is
OK, you know, everything is anonymous here, so let's recap. Maybe I am missing something.
There is a sub group that does not want to tackle a large project because there is a possibility that an official release is pending. This official release would void all the work that goes into making a fansub. Your response is that they should "get over it". Am I correct?
I think the keyword is that there's a possibility that it is pending. Not the solid fact that it is pending, just that it might be.
I can sympathize with all that hard work going to waste, but there's not much else to do but get over it and move on when an official release is confirmed.
Also, the part that didn't make sense was that I was the one who needed to get over it. I don't make subtitles and, to be frank, I'm generally happy with whatever I can get.
Or they can just not bother with it and work on something else that has a lesser chance of getting officially subbed, like what they're doing with Fireman and Andro Melos for example.
It's pretty easy to say "get over it" when you're not the one putting in all the time and effort, and getting nothing in return as well.
You're suggesting they completely drop a project because it might eventually get subs. That's a little stupid, not to mention paranoid as fuck.
And perhaps I don't understand the feeling, but I imagine it's like working hard to make a meal for the family only for them to come home with takeout.
I'm not suggesting it, I'm just pointing out what they're actually doing.
>but I imagine it's like working hard to make a meal for the family only for them to come home with takeout.
You know, subbing an episode (let alone an entire series) takes a lot more effort than cooking up some meals.
I don't know why you insist on arguing about this here. If you feel what they're doing is stupid/paranoid/etc, go contact them and tell them that. I'm sure they'll feel a lot more differently given that they're the ones doing the actual work.
At this point, the only reason I'm bothering with replying is because I just want an excuse to dump cute photos.
> I'm just pointing out what they're actually doing.
They didn't actually drop Dyna though. Presumably it'll just stay in hiatus hell until it's safe enough for HnT-MBE to pick up again or CR actually does pick it up.
> You know, subbing an episode (let alone an entire series) takes a lot more effort than cooking up some meals.
I was talking more about the feeling of seeing something you worked on go to waste. The meal analogy was more or less an example that most people have gone through a few times in their lives.
> I don't know why you insist on arguing about this here.
Same reason I argue about anything here. It keeps me occupied while I wait for the laundry to dry.
> If you feel what they're doing is stupid/paranoid/etc, go contact them and tell them that. I'm sure they'll feel a lot more differently given that they're the ones doing the actual work.
Nah, I'd rather not. Perhaps this has changed, but in the past they've responded really badly to people telling them what they did was fucking stupid.
> At this point, the only reason I'm bothering with replying is because I just want an excuse to dump cute photos.
Eh, I can get behind that. This is pretty dumb anyway.
Eh, I'd argue hiatus-hell is just as bad as dropping it. I mean, nothing's gonna get subbed anyway.
>Same reason I argue about anything here. It keeps me occupied while I wait for the laundry to dry.
Get a proper hobby, Anon!
That's a good point. Hell, aren't they still working on Robot Detective after six years?
Arguing about shows for babies IS my hobby, anon.
I grew up watching horror films from the 80's and early 90's where puppetry, make-up, and other practical effects has to be utilized effectively. Take a look at the original Fright Night and Fright Night 2; their FX still hold up well.
I wonder if those US specialists can find work in Japan since modern Hollywood doesn't appreciate this lost art in favor of CGI.
Why would he be covering himself when he's clearly proud, displaying it to everyone in the audience?
While Zearth is doing... something.
Lewd fanfictions of Dr.. Eggu stuffing Ultra Eggs in his ass when?
>Hollywood doesn't appreciate this lost art in favor of CGI.
J.J. Abrams of all people actually insisted that a lot of the special effects in Star Wars VII that could have been done with CGI were instead done with practical effects when feasible. Hell, most of the scenes with BB-8 just moving around actually utilized a remote-controlled robot.