Gundam IBO (Iron Blooded Orphans)

That's not Fumitan anymore.

>>13795194
She will always be Fumitan in our hearts.

>>13795191
>not "FUMITAN ADIOS"

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>>13795226

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Not a big loos, we still have a whole ship of other nice ladies.

>>13795260
Azee X Akihiro best pairing, even if Lafter spends more time kicking his shit in

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>>13795282
Yes.

>>13795260
>>13795289
I wish the show would actually spend some time with them. I get the feeling theyre probably going to start dropping like flies towards the ends and it will expect us to care despite despite giving us nothing to care about other than their looks. And this whole harem thing as well, you'd think after introducing something like that, the show might have shown a bit exploring the dynamics of that relationship. Its been roughly ten episodes since that explanation and if it wasnt for naze actually telling us that theyre part of his harem i would never have known any of the crew except for amida were his wives. I cant even recall a scene where naze ever talks to azee

>>13795408
I don't even remember the big-titty one is called Amida.
Well, at least our dicks will care.

>>13795260
Go away Kamiyama and Hayashida

>>13795260
>tfw Akihiro is too gay for that
>tfw you were not there instead

>>13795191
It was obvious from the beginning.
Sudden change of course reminded me of Tytania, where nothing happened half way through the series.

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>>13795191

>>13795194
Hontou no koto sa!

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Power Levels in the game

Screenplay: Shinsuke ONISHI
Stroryboard: Yoshimitsu OHASHI
Director: Shun KUDOU

>>13795723
What's with the lack of chest armour? I hope the cockpits not in there.
If this really was a suit developed at the end of the calamity war I can see why it ended shortly after

>>13795723
Grimgerde model number is: V08-1228. It's the eighth Valkyria Frame unit from 9 total.

>>13795758
HAHAHAHHAHAAHAAAAAHAHHHHHA

>>13795731

>halfbake that much higher than frog ver.

fucking shit

rest is what you'd expect though

>>13795723

this is not a valvrave thread

>>13795772
It's Wagner "Ride of the Valkyries".

>>13795772
You're right, if it were we'd be complaining about too much happening in too short a time.

>>13795260
>>13795289
>character that just happened to be onscreen for 2 minutes

>>13795723
Why does it look so plain and boring?

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>>13795721
Leg armor makes it look as if there is a knee joint missing.

>>13795260
Is it wrong that I like Akihiro's little dynamic with Lafter than Space Fellini's dynamic with her? Amida and Fellini are fine, but Lafter just clicks better with Aki in my mind.

>>13795845

fuck off spamshit

>>13795191

It is a pity that IBO (or basically most Gundam for that matter) now has 1 OP/ED per cour, otherwise we could have ORPHEEEEENS, NAMIDA~ playing when Fumitan died in Kudelia's arms

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I just started 00 and holy shit, it's good! I'm glued to the screen from the first minutes. Things are happening, robots are fighting, designs are interesting, characters are pretty. No wonder you guys think ibo is boring, it's just my fault for forgetting how good anime should look and feel.

>>13795902
That'd have sold the scene even more. Imagine Fumitan dying to the first notes of OOOORPHEEENS NAMIDAAAA's extended version.

>>13795902
Any 50 episode Gundam except for SEED and AGE had an OP change only after the 2nd cour, or halfway through

>>13795731
>Kimaris is going to job so fucking hard

>>13795908
Oh boy your going to be crushed once Season 2 comes along.

>>13795943
he can imagine that it ends at season 1
I mean it kinda can since the world is "united" in a sense even if it's under neo titans

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>>13795908

00 has its fair share of flaws, some more forgivable than others, but it most definitely blows IBO out of the water in every way imaginable.

>>13795758
11/10

>>13795721
Hidden face makes it look like a suped up Leo, what with the green face panel & beige coloring.

>>13795723
That's a motherfucking SOLBRAVE.

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Wait a minute.
>IBO is actually coming overseas
>IBO might be getting a second season
>IBO places very well in polls
>IBO sells well
>/m/ still thinks it's unsuccessful

Literally what in the fuck?

>>13796079
/m/ has been always wrong since Wrong Tetsujin happened.

>>13795943
that's going to depend on if he watched other Gundam yet. Otherwise that jarring change won't be as noticeable without some other Gundams to compare against.

>>13796079
>MIka ranked above Saitama
well,well I didn't know it was that popular in Japan. Makes you wonder,would IBO have replaced OPM as the show of the season had it not aired?

>>13795911

And then I would end up laughing at the scene like a terrible person since I always feel that ORPHEEEEEENS NAMIDA~ is one of those "over the top dramatic" songs

>>13796079

Being commercially successful is irrelevant to /m/ since IBO doesn't pander to /m/ hard enough

>>13796110
It doesn't pander to /m/ at all.

>>13796079
>>13796104
Even A.Z characters, Ange and the girl from Akuma no Riddle ranked every month there.
Guess what? That means jack shit. Those polls are rigged.

>>13795908
It goes waaaaaaaaay down hill once the Thrones show up.

>>13796104
>well I didn't know it was that popular in Japan
GBF and GBF Try girls never ranked. And yet they were among the most popular during the seasons.

>>13795408

Well they need an enemy villainess to catfight with.

Surprisingly enough, a bunch of female human debris pilots would make a nice counterpoint to Teiwaz's crew. Whereas Naze cares about his harem, the leader of the female human Debris treats his girls like shit and we get a post rape scene just to show much of a bastard he is and the female villainess is nothing more than political marriage between Gjallarhorn to keep him loyal.

>>13796150
Didn't we do this already?

But with fuccbois?

>>13796079
nearly every gundam mc ends up on that poll. It's for NEWTYPE magazine, what do you expect?

>>13796079
Awwww, you can believe it want to anon
In glad someone still has hope
won't stop the show being shit though ;__;

>>13796079
SEED is stupidly successful and we hate that too.

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She doesn't even deserve to be in the title of the episode

>>13795908
And suddenly S2 happens.

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>>13796079
>IBO is actually coming overseas
Like most Gundam
>IBO might be getting a second season
Nice meme
>IBO places very well in polls
Like most Gundam
>IBO sells well
Half off with promo code first volume.

>>13796275
>IBO is actually coming overseas
he meant the dubbing,outside of ova's this will be the first mainline show dub in the west since 00.

>>13796079
>>13796175
I was referring to the series poll. Not the character ones.

>>13796185
>>13796186
Never said it was good. It is successful though.

>>13796275
I'm sorry, did AGE or G-Reco get dubbed or even released here?
>Like most Gundam
Unless it's G-Reco, apparently.

>>13795721

>Hidden face
>Giant shield
>Two handed axe
>Hidden arms
>Unusual beige color scheme

This is a legitimately great Gundam

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>>13796297
>It is successful though.
Is it though?
http://itest.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/shar/1451483978/156

>>13796347
Yes.

All I wanted was for Fumitan and Kudelia to make out.

>>13796333
Ugly legs and feet, but yes, everything else is great.

>>13796333
this,I don't know why people are complaining since we rarely get unique looking gundams like this too often.
I like it a lot because of its resemblance to Armored Cores

>>13796347
>>13796355
> AGE Gen 1 Average = 3.22%
> AGE's Final Average = 2.56%
> IBO's ratings after 13 episodes = 2.55%

>>13796368
How are the sales doing?

so this guy knows who kudelia is but not the gayhorn guys?

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>>13796501

>>13796155

Still, if you want girl on girl action. You need an evil version of Turbine's harem. Also great for drama and since all of the bad guys are irredeemable bastards who we have little pity for.

But then again, the only reason why they made Marida a prostitute was the lore's way to ensure she is unable to continue the Puru lineage through plot. The prostitution part was a way to show how heavily indoctrinated she was in a slave mindset

>>13796606
>Still, if you want girl on girl action. You need an evil version of Turbine's harem. Also great for drama and since all of the bad guys are irredeemable bastards who we have little pity for.

Well, they'll just exist to show that adults are pieces of shit and die horribly like the boys did, so, dunno. Done, really.

>>13796620
>>>13796606 (You)
>>Still, if you want girl on girl action. You need an evil version of Turbine's harem. Also great for drama and since all of the bad guys are irredeemable bastards who we have little pity for.
>Well, they'll just exist to show that adults are pieces of shit and die horribly like the boys did, so, dunno. Done, really.

Hmmm, needs drama, well maybe one of them is pregnant with the evil guy's child and a dilemma is made in killing her or not as the main plot issue. Does Mika have the nerve to murder a pregnant young girl?

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>>13796512
man i wish this show wasnt so shit

>>13796655
>Hmmm, needs drama, well maybe one of them is pregnant with the evil guy's child and a dilemma is made in killing her or not as the main plot issue. Does Mika have the nerve to murder a pregnant young girl?

Well, one, putting someone who is pregnant on a battlefield is stupid even for IBO's hilariously ham-fisted adult villains.

Two, Mika has shown no compunction or hesitation in killing anyone, so I guess the question's answered anyway.

>>13796662
>Kudelia's chin
Christ, this QUALITY.

>>13796370
First volume is at 11k but keep in mind it was half off and came with a promo code, second volume comes out this week so we should see a significant drop.

>>13796286
>he meant the dubbing
AGE and GBF were dubbed

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>>13796670
its a shop anon
i wish i could shop away all of ibos actual quality

>>13796297
>I'm sorry, did AGE or G-Reco get dubbed or even released here?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tLI_d8dz8DI

Also G-Reco is getting released in the US and UK.

>>13796368
AGE is better than IBO.

>>13796688
but that wasn't released outside of malaysia to my understanding,
the fact that their getting a proper one for the west shows they're trying to make a push for it here again.
by the way have you seen the BF dub? I tried looking a while back but couldn't find it

>>13796297
>even released here?
G-Reco is coming to USA in spring and UK in June.

>>13796706
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2eoxiq_proof-of-concept-gundam-build-fighters-dub_tv

>>13796747
I'm pretty sure this is a fandub

>>13796706
the whole push for the west was announced before the show aired
the dub was was announced byt about episode 3 when the hype was still alive
i bet banrise is bricking it now

>>13796370
The 1st vol. sales 11,335
The 2nd vol. sales are going to be known next week.

>>13796667

The point is to drive a wedge between Teiwaz and Tekkadan

>>13796821

What wedge is there to make from killing enemies of both parties?

>>13795191

TR8R

>>13796830

By showing how inhumane Mika has become. That he kills pregnant women, sociopathic behavior.

>>13796896

Well, hey, if the hypothetical enemy in this scenario is stupid enough to send out a pregnant girl to fight, they were kind of asking for it.

>>13796896
>he kills pregnant women
Memories of AvP Requiem are coming back.

>>13796918
Why the fuck would you say that.
Now my repressed memories of that pile of shit are coming back.

>>13795758
Pahahaha

>>13795943
>>13796248

Season 2 isn't even that bad faggot

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i feel sorry for the snapfags when they get their hands on this, its going to be one big tan block

>>13796896
How's he supposed to know they're pregnant, though? Are they going around announcing over comms or something?

>>13796956
A shield to take care of Kimaris's mace

>>13796989

That is up to Okada to deliver. I am just the one with an idea for how to create a female villain

>>13797201

Well, really, it's less that and more opportunities to show people being rapist scumbags, isn't it?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liuaVmzv-Q0

>>13796947
It's fucking terrible.

>>13796896
If anything he has become more humane. He executed cuffed guys to prove a point. He shot Crank without a second thought. Now he's questioning if he's a sociopath and acting relatively normal. He didn't even go apeshit when Atra got beat up to garner sympathy like he did with Cookie and Cracker.

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>tfw your first appearance is of you jobbing
>tfw you probably won't be getting a gunpla

>>13797346
Poor Man Rodi

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>>13795908
Sorry for talking about 00 again instead of IBO, but I just got to the second op, and I swear to god, I've heard it somewhere before. Was it only used as 00 op? Never in any other anime?
Also, nadleeh was fucking amazing.

>>13796947


Gundam 00 did basically everything right and people still find problems with it..

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>>13795191

>Let's shake hands!

>>13797343
>Now he's questioning if he's a sociopath and acting relatively normal.

Bearing in mind that only a scant handful of episodes ago, his only reaction to being called out on perhaps enjoying killing other people was essentially 'Eh, whatever, this guy's a piece of shit, fuck the kids I've killed, he's good to die anyway.'

>>13795191
I want to cum inside that small hole on her back

>>13797392
>pass the controller bro!

>>13795191

>They just left her body there

Wow

Cold as ice

>>13797405
it's not Fumitan anymore, so why not

>>13797393
But he's certainly not any more murderous in what he does. Only in greater quantity.

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>>13795758
fuken saved

>>13796696
Wow. That sounds... fucking awful.

>>13797458
It always does.

>>13795191
>>13797405
>YFW Buiscuit brother will rescue Fumitan

>>13796947
It ain't, it's just the spergs here who think it sucks that much.

>>13795758

At this point it must be a running joke in the animation staff.

>>13796918
That was simply the best scene

>>13797553
You think they're adding QUALITY shots just to spite anyone who's still watching?

>>13795191
Dropped.

>>13797564

It's my only hope, I'm only finishing this because at this point why not?
This is a pretty weak season anyway, watching Votoms and Patlabor afterwards to wash the bad taste out of my mouth.

>>13795758
>>13797553
>At this point it must be a running joke in the animation staff.
Funny enough, as a kid I once watched a random episode of Gundam, I think it was Zeta? Anyway, I was annoyed that there was no giant robot battle the entire episode, it was all just talking.

I am amused that here we are, years later, and we have Gundam fans complaining that there isn't enough giant robots. I though we are old enough to actual want "plot" in our shows now? I was in primary school at the time and didn't see the point of a show without fighting, but does /m/ feel this way still?

>>13797587
But we do want plot in our show, this one's shit so the only thing to look forward for is giant robots.
Turn A isn't one of the highest regarded Gundams for nothing

>>13797587
Having a plot is acceptable, or even preferable, if it's good. But IBO is written horribly. And that's a problem.

>>13797587
> I think it was Zeta? Anyway, I was annoyed that there was no giant robot battle the entire episode
That didn't happen. Zeta is one of the most MotW Gundams ever. Every episode has at least three minutes of "Oh and then they fought Jerid and co. in space I guess."

>>13797577
>I'm only finishing this because at this point why not?
I know the feeling. If this wasn't Gundam, I probably would've dropped it already.
It's just such a wet fart.

>>13797587
> I though we are old enough to actual want "plot" in our shows now?
You said it yourself, though, anon: "plot".
There's all these pretensions to some amazing plot or intriguing characters, but they all fall short. This show is sort of making me understand what it was like to be on the other side of the G-Reco threads.
I don't know why I bother visiting these threads, honestly. I know I'll only add negativity for those scant few who earnestly enjoy it. I guess there's just a part of me that hopes it could become something better.

please let the next episode be entirely in space

I just want to see a Gundam fight

pls

>>13797587
You are missing the point. An episode breather would be fine. After a large battle a small break in the action would be cool and it could be used to advance the plot and develop the characters. IBO has shit plot, shit characters and shit fights. The battles we have gotten are essentially slideshows and never large. The plot isn't good or very well developed so taking 3 whole episodes off from fighting to try and advance it is stupid. How far as the plot advanced in these 3 episodes? Not very. We just spent a whole episode about a character they killed off. Fumitan should have been developed over multiple episodes. Instead they shove her motives into the last leg of the show and expect people to care. Most of the characters have literally been standing around this whole arc. The cast is so big that they could never get everybody enough screentime. Harem master and his bitches are useless. They don't do shit.

>>13797645
>ow far as the plot advanced in these 3 episodes? Not very. We just spent a whole episode about a character they killed off
This is very true. So little can happen in an episode but then they insert one big thing (usually towards the end as a shocking what will happen next) so people feel stuff happened. And this is what people that like the show focus on, it's like they forget 20 minutes of fuck all to focus on 4 minute of stuff kind of happening. I've actually started watching the show while i browse tumblr and it is easy to watch for it as you miss the shit animation and people repeating they must go do the thing now.

>>13797645
>Harem master and his bitches are useless. They don't do shit.
They were the worst addition to the story. All its added is plot convenience. We'll never get to see orga and pals explore or learn about the world they're in or even themselves because there's always either naze or the blonde milf to explain everything.

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>>13797645
I feel you so much dude. Went on reddit to see what they thought and everyone is bumsucking the new episode praising it for being so sad whilst ignoring how shitty the writing is.

I then posted the thing about IBO being a show without mechs and got this autist's response

(User is 'Smoothidiot')

>The focus is on the characters, not the Mobile Suits, as it should be.

Speaks for itself really, only a few people were sane and saying how shit this series has become

>>13797760
>posting on /e/chochamber

>>13797760
>World building

Call him out on that shit. There is no world building, there is no character development. Holy shit people are delusional.

>>13797791
There's not even anything interesting visually for us to chew on either. Doesn't help that that half the series has been spent on a ship

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>>13797760
People are really stupid. There has been no character development or world building, only flying through space with no reason.

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>>13797760
>Not the Mobile Suits

HOLY SHIT, Gundam is a platform to sell toys.

>>13797791
>it's not development because it makes too much sense

Stick to G-Reco, Tomino.

I think we need more exposition guys.

>>13797846
The fuck are you talking about? How much of the world has been built? Where is our development? How much do we know about Mars, Earth and the colonies that we didn't know from the start?

>>13797864
Stick to Rectangles, Earthfaggot.

>>13797864
This. It's amazing how a series that spends so much time on exposition can have such a vaguely established setting.

>>13797846
>>13797866
Shitpost all you want anon, It's not going to make ibo any better. Or this board

>>13797612
>That didn't happen. Zeta is one of the most MotW Gundams ever. Every episode has at least three minutes of "Oh and then they fought Jerid and co. in space I guess."
All I remember was that Bright was in it. It was many years ago, and obviously a bored kid wasn't going to remember any details.

ZZ was an example of world building. It explored multiple colonies and various parts of Earth. Unlike 90% of mech shows they actually went to Africa instead of just Japan, Europe and America. I always thought that was nice. What was even nicer was that there were black pilots in Africa. IBO's Africa branch literally was all blond haired white guys when they were shown.

>>13797888
You know not everyone in the continent of Africa is black, right?

>>13797892
Sure, but most of it is and it's nice when most of the continent is acknowledged instead of just the horn.

>>13797598
Contrarianism is pretty popular here on /m/. We love to love the less popular entries, while shitting all over all of the popular ones.

>>13798061
Yeah anon i dislike IBO because it's popular and Turn A is my favorite Gundam because it's obscure.
How about you just try to defend your points instead of just trying to validate your taste

>>13797864
Now consider how much of the exposition has been revealed by characters vocalizing or confirming information they should already know.

>Alaya-Vijnana system? You mean the...
>Calamity War? You mean the war that happened 300 years ago and led to the creation of Gjallarhorn...
Repeat as necessary whenever the audience needs a new info dump.

>>13798081
I don't give a shit what you like or dislike, I'm talking about /m/ as a whole.

You think /m/ doesn't suck Turn A and G-Reco's dicks? You think /m/ doesn't love shitting all over 0079, Zeta, Wing, SEED, SEED Destiny, 00, Unicorn, and IBO? Maybe you should hang around here for more than a week.

>>13798096
hello i am /m/
gundam evolve is my favorite gundam

>>13798100
Oh so it's just a coincidence that two of the least successful Gundam series (not counting obscure shit, although SEED Astray is pretty popular too) are two of the most popular on /m/, and all of the popular Gundam series are unpopular on /m/. Purely coincidence, eh?

>>13795723

It looks like someone took parts from the Tallgeese and a Brave and painted the result pink.

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>implying it's not going to be constant action for the rest of the season

>>13798133
So why don't we love ZZ?

>>13796079

4chan real rule number 1: always do/think the opposite of what [insert board here] says.

>>13797888
pretty sure every single gundam series goes to Africa or some arab desert shit with a sandniggers resistance

>>13798144

It's not.

We'll get one shoddily-animated ten minute long battle next episode followed by three episodes of talking heads then another shoddily-animated ten minute battle, just like it has been for the entire series so far.

>>13798146
Is ZZ really unpopular? It got the second-highest TV ratings in the entire franchise IIRC, and the gunpla sells well to this day.

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>>13798133
Do you also complain that there are people who like Kurosawa more than Michael Bay?

>>13798164
Do you think they'll mix it up for the second season?

>>13798170
Nah, I complain when somebody says that Nymphomaniac is their favorite movie because of how smart it is while they then proceed to shit on any and all popular movies for being 'inferior'.

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>>13798164
you can't take away my hope

>>13798175

Sure. Season two we'll get FOUR episodes of talking heads before a shoddily-animated ten minute battle.

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>>13798193
at least gundam isn't 100% cgi

yet

>>13798182
That's an oddly specific example.

Someone specific set you off?

>>13798193
Why even have mobile suit battles in the first place? Those annoying robots just detract from IBO's otherwise brilliant character-driven drama.

I dunno why people are so surprised about IBO going episodes without any mech combat. Same thing happened in M3, Okada's previous mech show. Of course, I think hardly anyone watched M3.

>>13798202
Nah, that's just generally how shit goes here on /m/.

People will be having a discussion, then somebody forces the topic to be about an overhyped mediocre "2smart4u" work by a 'genius', and they then proceed to shit on whatever is doing better.

>>13798215
People are spoiled for action.

I think even Gasaraki outdoes IBO in total battle averages. Gasaraki, the definitive slow burning mecha anime, is more action packed than IBO. That's some bullshit ain't it?

>>13798219
Why are you so fucking butthurt

>>13798240
>redditspeak
This conversation is over

>>13798201

Maybe that thing wouldn't need what I assume is an extra set of supports on its back if its feet weren't so comically small.

Otherwise, that design isn't too bad.

>>13798243
Wow, seems like you are the butthurt one. Go eat some tendies and go to bed.

>>13798245
cgi in anime is so shit

>>13798243
So much hate

>>13798260
The hell does that have to do with what that anon said?

>>13797837
>Calamity War 300 years ago
>All the armies in the world being absorbed by Gjallahorn
>Nations are now useless, so they put up four economic blocs
>Gjallahorn keeps the status quo for centuries, repressing any form of protest

>The area close to Earth is called the Earth Sphere and is guarded by the elite Gjallahorn army
>The area beyond is called the Outer Sphere and it's a lawless area where space yakuza such as Teiwaz have their way.
>The clusters of debris in-between the Sphere is populated by space pirates, that's why no-one can get through unless they're Gjallahorn or sponsorised by Teiwaz

>Mars has been terraformed and serves as a giant factory for Earth.
>The planet is divided in several regions which are tied to a single economic block from Earth.
>Everything is supervised by the local Gjallahorn but theiur are corrupt and incomptetent
>The Chryse region is on the verge of getting independance if Kudelia Aina Bernstein, daugter of the Prime Minister, get an audience with Arbrau's leader
>Gjallahorn, whose purpose is to maintain the status quo for eternity, doesn't want this
>But some people inside and outside Gjallaorn are plotting to shake the entire system

>Kudelia chose to travel to Earth with a PMC from Chryse, but it was disbanded after a skimrish with Gjallahorn and is now run by former child soldiers under the name "Tekkadan"
>Tekkadan leader wants to create an Outer Heaven for child soldiers ala Big Boss from MGS
>Tekkadan also got its hands on a special weapon from the Calamity War called the Gundam Barbatos
>This Mobile uit ois compatible with a special device called Alana-Vijana which enhance the pilot capabilities and actually explains why he's so much better than other Mobile Suits

It may not be Tolkien's level of worldbuiding but it is nontheless. at least it makes way more sense than G-Reco's space elevator being worshipped by faggots.
Also remember than most of UC's worldbuilding was done after the original 0079 broadcast.

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>>13798245
>an extra set of supports on its back
Oddly placed wings.

>>13798308
You literally made all of that up. IBO doesn't have any worldbuilding. /m/ told me so.

>>13798245
>>13798201
it looks like a muv luv mech

>>13795758
At least it wasn't

"High School Hijinx!"

>>13798348

>Mika and his 2 hot lady friends have accidentally boarded a gay orphan space cruise! But everything changes when michael jackson shows up with his harem, and then the whole gang is chased by the pedophile police! Tune in each week to see them putz around in space, cook potatoes, and tell sad stories.

>Guest Starring: Deactivated robots in hangars!

>>13798308
Not the same guy, but G-Reco's worldbuilding is far better. Almost everything you listed in your post you learn within like the first 5 episodes. G-Reco slowly reveals the world as the plot moves along.

>>13795194
That was never Fumitan since Fumtian isn't real

>>13798406
The problem with Reco is what we didn't see sounded much more interesting than what we did see. IBO has that problem too but WAY worse.

>>13797760
Looks like most people are agreeing with you except SmoothIdiot. Also fuck off.

>>13798438
What do you mean? I thought Venus Globe was cool as shit.

>>13797864
We have a map. And earth people lives in water cities which is pretty cool. That's about it.

>>13798450
It was pretty cool but it bugged me how a lot of it was just WATER WATER WATER like a typical gundam setting. Reco is on my rewatch list though so it's not fair to bitch too much.

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IBO is like your life where it starts off with potential and then you just end up sitting in the same room all the time talking to the same idiots about how hard and bad everything is and the robots just sit there next to you not moving

The only AUs with good worldbuilding were 00 and X (also any tomino gundam)

>>13798457
It's a lot of fun to rewatch. I did it recently and had a blast.

>>13798459
I miss A/Z

>>13798459
>IBO is like your life where it starts off with potential and then you just end up sitting in the same room all the time talking to the same idiots about how hard and bad everything is and the robots just sit there next to you not moving
It sort of explains why the original Gundam as Gundam Seed use the "ship gets chased across the planet and hunted" formula. It justifies a fight every episode.

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>>13795723
>valkyrie
>mfw it can transform

Well shit now we'll never get a threesome with Mikazuki, Kudelia and Fumitan.

>>13798485
>It sort of explains why the original Gundam as Gundam Seed use the "ship gets chased across the planet and hunted" formula. It justifies a fight every episode.

they also used the constant battles for character development, mika has gotten fucking none we barely even know the kid

compare this to amuro or kira where they're going crazy at this point in the show from the pressure of war

>>13798533
I liked Mika since he looked like 3rd coming of Heero/Setsuna, and was cute and has a good looking gundam (in promo), he didn't go anywhere though.

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>>13798541
I love mika he's completely chill until you threaten one of his friends and he's not edgy about killing people, he just does it. Shame he has had the least character development of any character on his own show

>>13798558

>mashed potatoes
>what appears to be meatballs and baked beans
>assorted chopped vegetables
>Spam? and asparagus

It's... hearty, that's for sure.

>>13798541
4th coming, Sven was Heero #2, Setsuna was Heero #3

>>13798565
Could be ham or corned beef

>>13798565
don't forget the OJ. Most gundam protags just get space bars

>>13798558
WHY IS HIS COAT SO BIG

>>13798586
He stole it from the adults he executed.

>>13798558
this is one of the most detailed stills in IBO

>>13798639
everyone else has fitted coats though

>>13798467
No you don't

>>13798657
Mika has one too. But it's the looting off the bloody corpses that makes them better.

>on a super secret mission
>walk around everywhere flashing your insignia
>nobody notices anyway

>>13796333
Its a shame the HG 1/144 is a stickerfest with no face gimmick.

Hopefully the 1/100 version is much better

>>13795721
I like how the hidden face looks like the Graze Kai's head.
>>13796366
>this,I don't know why people are complaining since we rarely get unique looking gundams like this too often.
It's because it's a unique-looking gundam.

>>13798240
>to be honest family

Are we really just fucking /v/ now?

>>13799100
>now
Someone seems to be late to the party

In regards to the songs, I can understand Survivor, but how is STEEL -Tetsu no Kizuna- not like here?

So will Kudelia finally man the fuck up?

>>13799358
People don't hate the new ending. They hate that it replaced an amazing song that fit the show. Think about it. Fumitan's death would have been way better if set to Orphans Namida. I like the new ending but it doesn't compare to the first.

>>13799407

No.

>>13799419

Okay then, thanks.

In regards to "That's not Fumitan anymore", I get that the original Japanese is "Mou Fumitan ja nai"?

>>13795758
I shouldn't have laughed so hard.

>>13798308
>at least it makes way more sense than G-Reco's space elevator being worshipped by faggots.
But that works so much better because of how it all links up nicely. The elevator gets the batteries which is a prime source of energy. Aida at the start is concerned out this monopoly, as does her country. The tower supplying stuff is used to enforce Su-Cordism by the ability to cut people off from power. This is from the top enforced by the moonrace who mediate the batteries travel which gave them power over the earth but wish to come down to earth which would completely change the tower supply system. And then at the very top there is the Venus Globe who are the ones to enforce this system for real, but through their isolation some think they do not deserve it assuming humans are the same as they were hundreds of years ago.

On one point all of them link up nicely and form a core part of the story, it makes it feel real. IBO doesn't do this and the little of what we have learnt in IBO is just stuff we were told and it is left at that. Worse some bits end up end up feeling lazy logically. Kudelia is a prominent figure of a independence movement and a moron with no self confidence. How did they get Barbatos and why were they just using such a thing as a generator? because. What information did the revolutionaries actually get on Kudelia as some seem able to recognise her while others have zero idea? they just did.

IBO has a very bare back bone of a story that just about caries it, it does not feel fleshed out of living

>>13798457
>how a lot of it was just WATER WATER WATER like a typical gundam setting
That is because water is important for Tomino. You expect people to be able to live in space without oceans? Good luck with that.

>>13796333
Agreed. I was curious as to how they'd change it, since it was hinted at. not disappointed at all.

>>13798308
>It may not be Tolkien's level of worldbuiding but it is nontheless. at least it makes way more sense than G-Reco's space elevator being worshipped by faggots.

That at least made sense as an immunization-strategy against people blowing Earth's lifeline up for laughs.

>>13796275
>IBO might be getting a second season
>Nice meme

Hate to said this but the possibility is very high. I hope it won't though.

>>13798308
its not the world its the way everything in it has been presented to us thats the problem. its THE problem with this show. The world the characters, it all had potential but they squandered it
Its like okada gave a brief outline of her story to the other writers and then just fucked off leaving the other writers to work out what to do with it

Man I miss Don't loose your way

>>13798308
All of that happened at the beginning. The last ten episodes have addednothing to that.

>>13799686
Except nothing suggests that. I don't know where you are getting the possibility is high from. Sounds like wishful thinking. Gundam series rarely get second series. Only the main UC line, BF and SEED got sequels. 00 and Wing got movies. IBO is nowhere near as popular as any of those shows.

>>13799686
You do realize that the Amazon link was referring to the first half (1-13) not the first season right? And not woth those ratings.

>>13799760
>>13799686
I was also going to add that BF is cheaper to make, but I'm really not sure. IBO is being pushed so hard you'd think it would have a good budget but it looks awful a good amount of time and has barely any fights. I know money =/= quality but a good budget has got to help in some regard

But BF's gunpla was cheaper as it partly used old parts and some of the new stuff was used in later kits. IBO tried to do the shared frame stuff etc but it just didn't work with the designs, even from Guison to rebake it is all different parts

Here's the problem with people shitting on IBO
> They compare it to series that start in the middle of a conflict while IBO hasn't even started one
> They compare it to series they marathoned so they forget they had their pacing issues
I marathoned it 1-13. I had a lot of fun. Everyone except for Kudelia is very likeable, the soundtrack is best of all modern Gundam shows, fantastic Gundam designs. I am genuinely curios whats Mika's backstory and how Gjallahorn executes their plans.

>>13798308
none of this has been shown in a meaningful or interesting way though, hell the majority of it isnt even shown. We only know the majority of these things because the characters tell us about them.

>>13799821
>They compare it to series that start in the middle of a conflict while IBO hasn't even started one
>They compare it to series they marathoned so they forget they had their pacing issues
what do either of these have to do with IBO?

>>13795758
>Episode ends
>Oruphenz Namidaaa plays in my head whilst I weep silently thinking about what could have been

>>13799755
> Shows oppression by Gjallahorn outside of Mars
> Establishes relationship between Mika and Atra
> Humanizes McGillis, Biscuit and Akihiro by establishing unique character arc
> Finishes Fumitan character arc
naw it's doing ok. kudelia is still a shit tho.

>>13799832
People forget that 0079, Turn A and Wing have worse pacing than IBO.

>>13799821
> I marathoned it 1-13. I had a lot of fun.
Same here, couldn't wait to see what will happen next. But then I came back to /m/ and episode-per-week format. Suddenly, IBO doesn't look that good any more.

>>13799850
man i wish they had begun fumitans character arc before deciding to end it

>>13799854
Pacing is the least of IBO's problems

>>13799855
There is no Gundam show that works good on a episode to episode format other than Build Fighters and G-Gundam

>>13799854
but youre essentially saying people don't like it because they can't judge it on its own merits and now you're saying that IBO is good because at least it supposedly in your opinion which is shit btw does something better than previous series

>>13799850
>Shows oppression by Gjallahorn outside of Mars
You mean tells. We never get to see people living through there oppression. In fact those workers have okay clean environments and even technology like tablets. They also seem pretty free to do as they want

> Establishes relationship between Mika and Atra
That was established when she was introduced, and hasn't gone any further

>Humanizes McGillis, Biscuit and Akihiro
How? Char has done fuck all but look talk to a loli and give suspicious looks. Biscuit and Guts had secret brothers both come out of no where just after the character mentions them for the first time, then these brothers both turn out to be evil and then when reasoned with both go crazy. Gut's was especially bad as all he did was repeat muh debris despite us never seeing him treated worse than the rest at CGS, even the characters were sick of him doing it.

>Finishes Fumitan character arc
You mean have 90% of it squished into two flash backs that still don't make her fleshed out. We now know she was poor and she didn't like Kudelia but also did. Kudelia didn't have to change at all for her to want to betray and go back and save her. Terrible arc

>>13799854
wing i haven't seen. 0079 i may give you for the first quarter, but whats wrong with turn a's pacing? or are you one of those people that thinks it only got good when they got to space
also i dont really think pacing is what people are complaining about IBO for

>>13799887
People do complain about the pacing but it is because there is so little content to fill what we get. They could easily make a show like this work but with some scenes, the whole pirate arc feeling like filler and especially with the repeated exposition it feels like something which could easily be condensed

>>13799854
They don't though. IBO has extremely little content stretched across a huge amount of episodes. It's not bad because it moves slow; it's bad because barely anything develops: characterization, plot, etc.

All 3 series that you named establish far more in the same timespan than IBO.

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why did they waste budget on a second OP and ED when there were perfectly fine ones already.

I miss the first ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyfH3oj_eg

Pure magic

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>>13795191
>Bloody Sunday or Red Sunday is the name given to the events of Sunday, 22 January 1905 in St Petersburg, Russia, when unarmed demonstrators led by Father Georgy Gapon were fired upon by soldiers of the Imperial Guard as they marched towards the Winter Palace to present a petition to Tsar Nicholas II of Russia.
>Gundam IBO episode 16: As the Workers' Union begin their demonstration against the Dort Company, Orga and his team go search for Kudelia, who has run off to get answers from Fumitan. The demonstration becomes deadly when Gjallarhorn forces intervene and Kudelia finds herself involved with the Union.
We Revolution Now

>>13799975
The events aren't similar though. The Russian protesters didn't role up with fucking tanks, there wasn't any stage explosion to open fire, they just didn't give a fuck and wanted them to go away and they didn't have some stupid girl pulled in to be their leader

>>13799925
>gotta change the OP and ED!!!! people might think we not enough budget lolx!!!! xD

>>13796368
AGE BD sales 2.3K
IBO 11.2K

>>13797587
>we have Gundam fans complaining that there isn't enough giant robots
Let's go back a year to people complaining about how the original series had to shoe-horn a fight into just about every episode to satisfy the ROBOT ACTION part of the show, even when it was fucking stupid and amounted to nothing.

>yeah we're just cruising along here, doling out plot and character development
>BEEP BEEP THERE'S SOMETHING ON OUR NOT-RADAR, SCRAMBLE THE MOBILE SUITS
>GODDAMNIT FEMALE ROMANTIC INTEREST, STOP TRYING TO STEAL GUNDAMS, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO FLY
>ikimasu, pew pew, hayai, pew pew, sore demo, pew pew, sonna bakana
>OKAY EVERYONE ON BOTH SIDES, FLY BACK TO YOUR SHIPS HAVING KILLED NO ONE AND INFLICTED NO SERIOUS DAMAGE
>SAME TIME NEXT WEEK?

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>>13800141
> ikimasu, pew pew, hayai, pew pew, sore demo, pew pew, sonna bakana
So true.

>>13795943
>>13799761
Maybe, just maybe, for once Sunrise tries to avert their whole "shit 2nd season" stigma.
Maybe that's why we got such a really stale beginning. But who the fuck am kidding.

Not even SEED getting this bland as shit arc in the second half.

Which reminds me, when the last time main Gundam show have underwater, desert, snowy area and urban battles altogether?

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>>13800246
00 S2 is perfectly fine. For now, at least.

>>13800258
G-reco.

>>13800263
Jungle, space and a huge body of water.
I don't remember if AGE or 00 ever touched snowy areas either.

>>13800258
Build fighters.

>>13799768
>bf gunola cheaper

No dude, the ibo gunpla is cheaper

>>13800368
He's saying it's cheaper to develop due to most of the kits reusing pre-existing kits. Not that the msrp is cheaper.

>>13800368
No it is cheaper to make a kit if you can reuse some of an existing on or have a plan to reuse it later. More cost effective may be a better term. IBO uses new parts and has failed to reuse a high number of shared ones outside the Graze family (which in all fairness is like 6 kits now not counting p bandai).

>Fumitan.
>Put her with Kudelia to push the girl into a filmed revolution ten years later.
>Good writing.

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>>13797346
Being a Gyoubu grunt design is suffering

>>13800417
It seems more likely she was turned later, the question is why exactly? Did she grow to hate Kudelia? But she was trying to help the poor since she was little, of course when a little kid she makes mistakes but that is normal and you should try to help and mold her. Surely Kudelia would continue these activities and learn which Fumi would see.

Maybe she somehow learnt nothing over at least ten years, she hated her enough to agree for her to die? I can see get annoyed at this person not learning but agreeing to help kill seems a bit far. Then there is the issue of what exactly turned her back? Kudelia hasn't learnt anything over the series so if she was fine with killing then why not now?

>>13800424
will it have a waist?

>>13800558
Let's just say Teraoka's design is the closest a mecha in IBO can have a waist.
.

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>>13800424
it actually looks good though. what a waste
Even the kimaris is going to job.
The preview speech sounds like a eulogy for gaelio

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>>13800638
Looks like this time it'll have its feet

>>13800443
Exactly. Right now we have to believe she was a ten-year plant or hated Kudelia (besides muh ign'ant eyes, obviously she wanted to change Kudelia not kill her) enough to kill her. So far we know that she was poor (so she secretly liked the idea of revolution), she's been with Kudelia forever, and she had reason to betray her (because she secretly hated the idea of revolution??). Great character arc guys, we really got a great view of what kind of person she is!

At least we were given a tiny bit more on Kudelia's past and reasoning. Not that it will change anything.

>>13800678
>because she secretly hated the idea of revolution??
Making her a martyr was meant to get the revolution going (kudelia was also doing that being alive but anyway), so maybe she was pro
But this plan played into fan mans hands giving him power, so maybe not?
But maybe she didn't care and needed a revolution at any cost?
Then by the end maybe she thinks kudelia can do it herself or maybe she has given up on it?

Her character is just so nothing the whole bit just doesn't really work

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>>13796956
STICKERFEST, YOU SAY?

>>13800694
But they keep trying to martyr her in order to crack down with Gjallerhorn so that would be playing right into their hands. I guess if you were really lazy you could say that the riots were enough and not shoot Kudelia and hope she doesn't unite workers to make them stronger because of the massacre. It's not like that could bite them in the ass.

For a show that started ok, I'm amazed at how awful it's gotten.

How does Okada keep getting work?

>>13800811
By catering to her audience.
But I don't think she tries at all for this one.

>>13800703
got any pics of the kit built without stickers?

>>13799925
I'd rather have 90 seconds of new footage than 12 slightly better but still terrible episodes.

>>13800817

Well, it certainly helps that she's barely written any of it.

>>13800817
I bet she wrote as much of this show as Butcher did AZ.

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>>13800826
Nope.
Just sample runner out of box, but the guy hasn't even build it
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>>13800392
I've never bought Gunpla, but the IBO line looks pretty attractive. So is the Reco line. I was thinking of buying a ZZ or X mech first, though.

>>13800881
Makes sense since Okada is the low-budget Butcher and this is the low-budget A/Z

>>13799850
>Show slums a couple of times and mention they exist
>long lost brother introduced then killed immediately
>long lost brother introduced and then crushed immediately
>Fumitan flash back and then killed in the most contrived and predictable way possible immediately
The world building and characterization are shit. Don't pretend otherwise.

>>13800817
This is operating under the assumption that her audience is retarded, right? She has no grasp of character interactions or world building, and her drama is horrible.

>>13800881
At least butcher is capable of writing something good. I really hope he doesn't fuck up Concrete Revolutio.

>>13800964
He won't write much episodes, apparently. I'm more concerned over Mizushima keeping Aikawa in check.

>>13800948
So, how long until >>13800885 dies? At this rate characters might systematically die. I mean, if the show insists on being repetitive on every level. On an unrelated note, non-Gundam Guts' series is about to get delayed yet again, due to the new Idolmaster.

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At least he smiled.

>>13800961
Honestly I don't even think he'll die. Maybe during the last battle if anything. His character arc (as pathetic as it was) is over, and he's not part of any shitty love triangles. As far as Okada is concerned, he may as well not exist.

>>13800974
>He won't write much episodes, apparently
Fuck. Butcher starting a project then leaving is how things like Gargantia, A/Z and PP season 2 happen.

>>13800985
Admittedly, as toothless as the show is, I suspect no one noteworthy will die at this point. Not even Naze and the haremettes. If anyone will get killed on a regular basis, it'll obviously be more glorified blockades trying to be characters-of-the-week.

>>13800988
No biggie, he's only one of a few scriptwriters for CR anyway. He doesn't even have head writer position this time, unlike Aikawa (which, again, is the actual reason for concern).

>>13795191
I'm not watching this Gundam yet
Who killed her?

>>13801008
A sniper, who then fucked off even though he easily could've taken out his actual target.

>>13800994
>characters-of-the-week.
This needs to stop. This format is horrible.

>>13800998
Fingers crossed then, CR was easily my favorite show last year.

>>13800638
>>13800424
>w-wha- wait! You said i'd be important!
>You said i'd get a ki---BOOOOOM
thats what you get for not being a graze in IBO. its also seems to be getting shot by grazes in the preview as well which is pretty sad

>>13800964
>At least butcher is capable of writing something good.
Yeah like Psycho P..
Gargant..
Expelled from Para...
Blassreiter?

>>13801215
All of those are far better than the shit okada usually writes.

>>13800988
>Gargantia
He was in charge of series composition nitwit
>A/Z
Was just a scriptwriter
>PPS2
PP was already shit while he was on.

This is all irrelevant since CR is Aikawa's baby and Butcher is only an episode's writer in S2.

>>13801223
Yeah, no. PP was shit.

>>13801235
That is was. But it's still better.

>>13801215
Madoka (until Shinbo convinced him to go for sequelbait) and Saya no Uta. I already said the projects he starts then drops are complete shit.

And PP season one was ok.

>>13801228
>He was in charge of series composition nitwit
He only handled the first few episodes.

>>13801267
Retard. When you're in charge of the series composition you're in charge of the entire fucking script.

>>13801273
Retard, most of the work was by Murata and Gen only wrote the first and last episodes.

>>13800885
-H:18m(same as Gusion), W:35.1t(9.3t lighter)
-While the original Gusion was a heavy armored high output MS for close combat, the Rebake due to its variable high sensitivity head sensor can play long range support or shorter range combat.
-Backpack has subarms made of diverted Graze arms
-It diverted the rear binder armor of the original Gusion and it can be used as shield, leaving vestiges of its old appearance boating high defensive power.
-An example of the Gundam Frame versatility
-Long Range Rifle: improved by Teiwaz technicians, added scope, huge accuracy improvement
-The sub arms have more or less the same output of the main ones and shoot 120mm Rifles with great accuracy.
-Because the original Gusion was too heavy for under gravity action it was refurbished and regained its versatility. Kudal didn't use AV System but Akihiro will use it to bring about its true potential.

>>13800982
-H: 18.9m(1m more), W:31.2t(3t more).
-It's pink because they found red nanolaminate paint with the Brewers and combined it with their cheap white paint.
-Short Rifle: lower range and accuracy, but ideal for close combat in conjunction with the Battle Axe
-Hyakuren parts added weight but also added more armor.
-The coloring and head nose art are eye catching.
-Teiwaz added connectors for the Kutan

>>13801326
>-An example of the Gundam Frame versatility
Of course.
Washio's the designer, right?
Interesting that one Gundam incorporate parts from three factions (and three different designers if we're going meta). Kinda wished they put in parts from Teiwaz's MS too.

>>13801363
>Washio's the designer, right?
It should be his design since he has been tasked with designing heroes gundams.

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>>13795191
>best girl is dead
>two are in love with an autist and the rest are haremshit

>>13801499
Then you're pretty much left with Biscuit's sisters and Takaki
The thing is, would you?

She dead.

>>13801263
But Rebellion is good. And Shinbo deserves more credit for Madoka anyway.

>>13801889
>But Rebellion is good
The first 85%, sure.

>>13801333
>-It's pink because they found red nanolaminate paint with the Brewers and combined it with their cheap white paint.
So this is the first time they actually tried to justify the pink... Except the pilot is a guy.

I actually had to give Gundam Seed credit for having mobilesuit colours linked to phase shift. Basically Red is heavy defence and suited for melee, Green is low defence to maximise power for weapons thus best suited for ranged units, and Blue is intermediary. And this in a single stroke justified the traditional Gundam colour scheme. A great idea that wasn't explored much.

>>13796956
I guess I'm like 80% snapfag. When I'm not feeling lazy, I will paint in details, panel line, seam weld etc.. but Rebake looks fucking amazing that I'm getting off my fat ass to work on detailing it.

>>13800974
Guts won't die. His bro already died so hes going to live out his life with a happy end in memory of his brother

>>13798762
Every time they showed them as a group I fully expected Orga to catch on and be like "oh shit, quick lets hide our jackets while we can.
Not like anybody would recognize them without the logo stamped on the back, seeing as how nobody could even recognize Kudelia anyway.

>>13801964
Are you one of those people that don't understand Homura's character?

>>13802630
Are you one of those retards who pretends that you have some deeper understand of her and them posts quotes from her that are extremely surface level to you can do mental gymnastics until you actually think that's what the story was building up to, even though the fucking writer said it was changed at the end?

>>13802671
How does the ending not fit Homura's character given that she previously went through like 100 time loops all for the sake of Madoka? At the end of the TV series, she says that she will keep fighting on.

>>13802678
So that was a yes to my question.

Got it. Thanks.

>>13802681
So basically you don't like the ending because you didn't expect it?

>>13802702
I don't like the ending because it was garbage that removed any sense of closure or tension (being a god or deity means nothing now) was blatantly a last second rewrite to allow for a sequel (the movie was very clearly a final goodbye for the girls where they were making peace with everything) and because it took Homura from being sympathetic and trying to save her friend, and made her into an absolutely insane yandere monster who went from "I want to help" to possessive cunt.

The fact that the writer said "Yeah, I had it all written this way but then Shinbo twisted my arm and no we're making a sequel" automatically invalidates any of the bullshit "W-Well you just don't understand Homura! The ending was totally sensible!" bullshit that you retards pedal.

>>13802730
The ending being changed doesn't validate your argument in any way at all. Shinbo is the director; he's well within his rights to change the script if he likes. Just because the script was changed doesn't invalidate the writing; judge it on its own merits, not the circumstances surrounding it.

>I don't like the ending because it was garbage that removed any sense of closure or tension
I don't understand. There amount of closure here is about the same as the original TV series's ending and that was a very good ending to franchise as it was. No tension? The ending implies possible conflict between Homura and Madoka. How is that not tension?

>the movie was very clearly a final goodbye for the girls where they were making peace with everything
The characters all made peace at the end of the TV series. The movie didn't expand on anyone's character arcs other than Homura which is fine because she was the only one who still had room for development.

>Homura from being sympathetic and trying to save her friend, and made her into an absolutely insane yandere monster who went from "I want to help" to possessive cunt.
It's called character development. I wouldn't say that she's an "insane yandere monster" or anything, but she is certainly less sympathetic after the events of Rebellion. However, what she did makes perfect sense. Homura could never let go of Madoka hence why she pulled her personality out of the god form. What's nonsensical about the ending?

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>>13802764
>The ending being changed doesn't validate your argument in any way at all.

>>13802768
The director is not allowed to have creative control of his project? How do you even know if the original ending was any good? Again, judge the story on its own merits.

>>13802773
>The director is not allowed to have creative control of his project?
Director is not the same as writer. I know the original ending was good because it was in line with what was built up, and everything else Butcher wrote for the series was good. I am judging on it's own merits, and the ending was shit. Literally everything you said in your wall of text was wrong. Every single sentence.

>>13802781
>I know the original ending was good because it was in line with what was built up
Wait, do we actually know any details about what the original ending was? I thought all we knew was that they changed it.

>Literally everything you said in your wall of text was wrong. Every single sentence.
Why do you refuse to elaborate?

>>13802797
>do we actually know any details about what the original ending was? I
Read yourself.

>Why do you refuse to elaborate?
There was no closure, as it was sequel bait, it by definition can't be closure. There's no tension because all the buildup of becoming a Goddess, and everything about the incubators was shown to be able to be undone at the drop of a hat, so now any situation can be solved by some asspull because the plot needs it, hence no more tension. Plots that can be moved "because we need to the story to go this way" with no regard to what was previously established at all are shit. Some of the characters made peace in the TV series. The movie gave Kyoko and Mami more time and a chance to interact with everyone that they didn't have before, and it let everyone get on the same page about leaving the mortal world. Character development isn't inherently good when they run them into the ground. She literally became Satan, there's no way that isn't "insane yandere monster", and she draws no sympathy from the audience. What she did made no sense, because she wasn't losing Madoka. She was going to go join them in lesbian Valhalla for eternity, but they took her from "I want to be with her" to "I want to posses her in my little box". It was completely nonsensical.

The movie started as a cool series of fights, comedy and fanservice while giving the characters time to make peace with thier place in the universe followed by them all moving on and keeping the incubators at bay, thus ending the story. Instead, Shinbo decided to shit all over everything for the purpose of sequel bait. It was shit and you're an idiot for pretending it was properly built up when the guy who wrote the fucking story said that wasn't his plan and that it was changed.

>>13802819
The ending is a much of a "sequel bait" as the TV series ending. If they do make new movies that are shit, then whatever. I fully expected Rebellion to be just a cash in, but I was pretty pleasantly surprised. But regardless, just because not every single plot thread is closed does not make the ending sequel bait.

Are you calling Homura becoming a goddess an asspull? That's not correct. Homura herself also experienced multiple timelines and is aware of Madokami's existence meaning that she has more threads of fate surrounding her. During the creation of a soul gem and the transformation of a soul gem to a witch, a huge amount of energy is released as noted previously. This means that Homura can unleash massive amounts of energy when her soul gem became fully tainted except that she did not become a conventional witch since the emotion was love not despair. Since she has knowledge of Madoka's personality and the massive amount of energy, she is able to separate Madoka from Madokami and elevate herself to a higher plane of existence as well.

>lesbian Valhalla for eternity
This is literally just conjecture. There is no elaboration on what happens to the magical girls after Madokami takes them at any point in time.

>It was shit and you're an idiot for pretending it was properly built up when the guy who wrote the fucking story said that wasn't his plan and that it was changed.
The ending that we got properly fits into the narrative previously established and takes the plot into new territory without being hamfisted and develops Homura. It sounds like you just wanted a nonconsequential movie where Homura dies at the end and everyone goes home. While not bad, I much prefer what we actually got.

>>13802865
>The ending is a much of a "sequel bait" as the TV series ending
First off, no. Second, we're not talking about the TV series, we're talking about the movie. The movie is sequel bait, and therefore can not have closure.

>just because not every single plot thread is closed does not make the ending sequel bait.
I'm going to stop now because you're clearly retarded if you actually believe anything you just typed.

>The ending that we got properly fits into the narrative previously established
Writer was building up to something else entirely, as seen by fans with a brain and as stated by the writer. You are objectively wrong. There's no grey area here. He literally did not write the series and movie to build up to that. It was not the proper fit to the narrative, and I don't know where you delusion idiots who thought it was good sprung up from.

>>13802865
>Since she has knowledge of Madoka's personality and the massive amount of energy, she is able to separate Madoka from Madokami and elevate herself to a higher plane of existence as well.
Not him, but I hope you realize that everything you wrote here reads like bad fanfic from a 14 year old and only serves to prove his point that it was retarded and allows for any number of contrived bullshit plot devices to happen. Everything you said is complete conjecture that you pulled out of your ass to justify that retarded scene.

>>13802877
>The movie is sequel bait, and therefore can not have closure.
Circular reasoning.

>I'm going to stop now because you're clearly retarded if you actually believe anything you just typed.
Do you consider any movie with an open-ish ending as "sequel bait?"

>You are objectively wrong. There's no grey area here. He literally did not write the series and movie to build up to that.
That's not how it works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author

>>13802882
Everything I said was based on stuff QB had established. Just because not everything is spelled out for you explicitly in dialogue does not make it a leap of logic.

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>>13802894
>The_Death_of_the_Author

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>>13800261
GOD
DAMN
IT

>>13795194
I liked how he just took her and carrier her away. Fuck given : None

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>>13795191
Another victim of the space rat scourge.

>>13804954

Why would he care about Fumitan?