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Is Star Wars the only American production to have aesthetically pleasing mecha designs?
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>Megas
>Beast Wars
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>>13792151
MEGAS isn't particularly original with aesthetics but it's still solid.
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Gypsy Danger was okay. Some of the newer BattleTech 'mechs are outstanding- though still derivative. In the end everything is now though.
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>>13792339
It's Gipsy.
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>>13792366 Your aspergers is showing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovi7uQbtKas
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>Iron Giant
>Big Guy
>Black Hole (Well at least Maximilian)
>Megas XLR
>Maybe Symbionic Titan


It's not all Chicken Walkers, and retarded hollywood mechs where they think they have to show the pilot's face. (I'm looking at you Amp Suit/ APU)
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Films that needed to use real props and puppetry, like Aliens, Robocop, and Terminator, had designs with pretty cool looking engineering.
Granted, all that stuff had too actually work and move around to sell their scenes without the aid of CGI, which I think lends to their overall look. Like they had to be distinct and effective with what budget they could afford.
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>>13792146
Avatar.
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>>13792402
What's Big Guy? Big O season 2?

>>13792146
Starcraft and Starcraft 2
Real Steel had some good robots.
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>>13792146
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>>13792146
>American
>Mecha
Pick one
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OG RoboCop and ED are great, even the new Robo isn't bad, though a tad over-designed.

>>13792402
See, all the ones you've mentioned follow the same set of design philosophies: oversimplified or overdetailed. For some reason western producers very rarely pick balanced designs. It's sad and it sucks.
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>>13792438
Every design in Avatar is aggressively milquetoast just like everything Cameron's done since he went deep sea crazy.

Strangely, unforgettably, boring.
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>>13792477

Anyone get the feeling that dropping it from that height is kind of an oversight? As in, "Huh, we could maneuver another half-second and drop it from five meters or less--OR let's drop it from more than the height of the walker because this is Star Wars and we're the Empire, fuck our expensive goddamn equipment!"
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>>13792530

They drop it from about 15 meters up by the looks of things, because the first unit is about knee high to the unit behind it when it hits the ground if you pause the webm as it happens. And considering that the first unit is compressing to compensate for the jolt of landing, the distance might even be shorter. So no, not really. The legs of the AT-ATs are obviously built to take a little bit of impact so pilots taking advantage of it is not great surprise.
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>>13792489
>See, all the ones you've mentioned follow the same set of design philosophies: oversimplified or overdetailed.
Nice nebulous arbitrary requirements, you fucking weeb.
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>>13792449
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>>13792646
That's some shitty art. Look at those feet. How does it even move with those underwear hips? Where are its knees?
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>>13792618
>>13792530
What really pissed me off about that episode was that a lightsaber can cut through the legs with no problem. If it was that easy why didn't Luke do that instead of using his hookshot?

Also, did they seem to be a lot smaller than the Empire Strikes Back ones?
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>>13792684
The Empire is broke after building all those Death Stars. They started buying the smaller "economy" size AT-ATs.
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>>13792721
A Jedi did this, I just know it.
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>>13792146
the AT-AT is a garbage design and you're a nostalgiafag if you disagree
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>>13792684

Cause Luke didn't think of it? Different people come up with different solutions to different problems. And a guy with a lot more experience both as a force user and as a lightsaber user is probably going to know the limits of a lightsaber better than some farmboy who picked one up and had all of 10 minutes training with it before he was left to his own devices and had other shit on his mind for most of the time since. Not to mention that Kanaan appeared to need to use the force to elevate his jump height just to make that strike and that might be an older model of AT-AT with skinnier legs by the looks of things.
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>>13792787
So says Anon, public commentator of 4chan's /m/ board.
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>>13792787
Oh darn it.
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>>13792833
>>13792684
>>13792721
The scale in Rebels looks something like this.
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>>13793055
But this is what it looks like in the movie.
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>>13792678

It moves the same way Mazinger and Getter move, shut the fuck up that's how.
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>>13793066
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Deus Ex has nice designs.
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>>13792146
>what is MechWarrior
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>>13793085
is this meant to be a counterpoint? That's clearly just a slightly poor meshing of perspective with miniatures.
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>>13793171
Fucking hideous.
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>>13793176
If you say so breh.
Better than human shaped agile weebshit any day.
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>>13793174
No, it's meant to illustrate that a human is about the size of a Walker's foot. Kanaan shouldn't be able to cut through the leg joint in one leap when a simple blast door on a merchant ship takes Qui-Gon Jinn more than a minute to cut through.
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>>13793184
forgot my image
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>>13793186
>human is the size of a walkers foot that is crushing a light cruiser that is many times the size of a human
Again it's just perspective, Luke is meant to be much closer to the camera in that shot.
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>>13792146
What the fuck was the point of these things anyway? What tactical purpose did they serve?

>slow as fuck
>only has two measly turrets

What could they do that a ship or a hover tank couldn't?
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>>13792438
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>>13793184
>>13793189
Don't even try to pretend your uninspired boxes on legs are any more practical or elegant than nip mecha.
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>>13792146

I thought Robotech had some pretty neat designs
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>>13793189
Atlas is the only mech I like from the universe. Everything else is ugly trash.
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>>13793225
>boxes on legs
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>>13793199
>why does an empire that kept people in line with fear and domination tactics use a giant heavily armored walking mech

Those "measly" turrets took down the shield generators in only 1 or 2 shots. And they were shrugging off everything the rebels could throw at them until the plot convenience kicked in.
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>>13793189
>>13793184
>Better than human shaped agile weebshit any day.

What are you retarded?
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>>13793235
>What could they do that a ship or a hover tank couldn't?
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>>13793270
What can any mech do that a ship or a hover tank couldn't?
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>>13793184

>better than human shaped weebshit

L O L
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>>13793184
>>13793260
What are you retarded?
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>>13793281
that's the only good design too
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>>13793270
Listen. You're being stupid. You think you're being smart, but you're being stupid, just like everyone else who has asked that question. The point of AT-ATs is not to be something that would work in the real world or any realistic scenario. They're meant to be an example of the empire's arrogance. They're something that looks mean and can deal a lot of damage but can't take any real resistance.
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>>13793290
>>13793260
>>13793184
What are you retarded?
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>>13793260
>>13793290
>>13793318
>>13793184
What are you retarded?
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>>13792390
Not him, but is being proud about inaccuracy in communicative speech really the best call?

I'd rather have Aspergers, something out of my control than be afflicted of something, like spelling errors.
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why the fuck would anyone go on /m/ if they don't like anime?
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>>13793305
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>>13793357
Ebin reaction
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>>13793184
I like BT as much as the next grognard, but come on.
There's plenty of human shaped agile stuff in the game. There's a whole weight class for those type of things.
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No, 40k has some neat mechanical designs, my personal favorite being the Imperial Knights.
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>>13793361
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>>13793384
>not posting the Lancer

I can't stand how top heavy the Citadel ones are.
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>>13793392
There you go. I like them too, but I think I prefer the regular Imperial Knights.
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>>13793384

Warhammer isn't American
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>>13793404
I over looked that in the OP. I thought he was asking about western mecha design in general.
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>>13793055
How does anyone even fit in the cockpit now? And are they expected the crawl through the neck instead of walk?
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>>13792524
>Every design in Avatar is aggressively milquetoast

The fuck you talking about? The Scorpion gunship design is gorgeous. Unlike more Jap mecha, he actually got real engineers to ensure that all the details like the rotors would be the correct size.
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>>13793193
Consider the size of the snowspeeder beneath the foot, and the cockpit where Luke was sitting with another man back-to-back.
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>>13793404
Warhammer ripped off Starcraft.
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>>13793199
>What could they do that a ship or a hover tank couldn't?

A ship would be 10x as expensive. Repulsor lift technology is fragile and not good for planets with extreme weather like ice and sand planets. There is a reason the AT-AT has ALL TERRAIN in its name you know.
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>>13792146
I prefer the AT-TE.
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>>13793608

The franchise started in 1987 ripped off one started in 1998?
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>>13793608
Both ripped off of each other. Compare the Tyranids before Starcraft and the Tyranids after
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>>13793620
40K came out after starcraft you moron, we clearly were not talking about the fantasy warhammer.
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>>13793629
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>40K came out after starcraft
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>>13793629

40k starts in 1987, you fucking wanker

Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader was published in 1987
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>>13793629
>40K came out after starcraft
1/10 had me reply
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>>13793628
true, space marines and 'nids look quite different then but I can't remember if they got rid of the beakface before or after starcraft
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>>13793669
Man these books were so cool.
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>>13793611
>source: my ass
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>>13793684
Long before, around 2e they got rid of beakies. This was like 1995 or 1996.

Starcraft's Eldar aren't really Eldary though, except that they're ancient space elves with shiny tools. And the Terrans are only similar in the marine's appearance and how they use dropships to get around.
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>>13793669
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>>13793611
>A ship would be 10x as expensive.

Only if you specially built them for this occasion. The Empire already has ships though. So the cost is either 0 spacebucks or however many spacebucks those blasters on the AT-AT's nose cost.
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EX O SQUAD
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Get on Heinlein's level.
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>>13793796
Great cartoon, but the actual mecha were ugly.
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>>13793787
>The Empire already has ships though

And ships are very fragile. Putting them within range of planetary defenses is suicide. The reason they used ATATs on Hoth is because they had the Ion Cannon preventing large ships from entering the atmosphere.
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>>13793699
Nice try retard, maybe you should do a google search for it first next time instead of looking like a fool. Source is "ULTIMATE Star Wars". Which as you can see is a part of the new canon line: http://i.imgur.com/8ENnFvW.png
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>>13792339
I prefer Striker Eureka (dat name) or Crimson Typhoon (DAT NAME), Gypsy looks too humanoind and smooth for me. Also japan's Tacit Ronin, he is the most Japanese-looking of them all
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>>13793641
>>13793645
>>13793647
>40k tards don't know the franchise went through a serious reworking after starcraft came out
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>>13794366
Don't backpedal, faggot. That's not at all what you said.
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>>13794366
Starcraft ACTUALLY was made to be a 40k game. A while into production funding was cut, but the starcraft found other funding sources. As a result both had to make accommodations and went through changes.

As for the tyrandis. The changes mainly came from some legal pressure from those who owned the Aliens franchise. It was nothing major, but the changes were made in order to more easily enter the game into the American market.

I do not have sources, but trust me on there ones. There may be more factors, and there are more things that I have heard and would like to think are true. Although I would not post there because I do not know they are true.

TL:DL Your all right. But in the end both ripped of Aliens and Starship Troopers.
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>>13794363
>No Cherno "CHOO CHOO" Alpha
All of the Jaegers were fucking awesome. The Kaiju as well.

>tfw Pacific Rim 2 never
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>>13794440
Apparently Legendary got bought and it sounds like PR2 might be an option again

Wait for an actual announcement before you get excited.
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>>13794438
I will add that I have HEARD, as in I do not know for sure, that things like beaky helmets and other aesthetics were due to artists. At least for concept art it was done by the same artists who worked on 40K and made the very models people played with.
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>>13794447
I really have to feel sorry for Del Toro. All of his awesome projects keep getting shot in the crib.

Anyway, do people still remember G-Police? It had some cool designs.
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>>13792146
>Is Star Wars the only American production to have aesthetically pleasing mecha designs?

No.
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>>13793227
This image makes me sad, because it shows that half of all the mechs in battletech are nothing but ripoffs of anime designs. Why can't the west create good robots. That rifleman kills me the most.
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>>13796170
>Why can't the west create good robots.
Culturally disconnect with machines. The West has an innate fear and loathing towards machines because they are viewed as slaves. Slaves that could break free and rebel.

Asia never saw machines that way, as Asia don't see robots as humans, but their own thing. Robots in Asian culture have no real desire to replace humans, because an Asian robot accepts its identity as a robot. An Asian robot isn't a fake human, an Asian robot wants to be what it is created for.
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>>13796170
What I wonder is why /m/ can't accept when the west DOES create good robots. There is more to western design than just battletech. Yet that's almost always the example given. Yep, let's just throw out Syd Mead, Stan Winston, and decades of nice stuff from a variety genre's and creators and claim that the west has never made a good looking fictional robot, based solely on the bad designs of a derivative setting. Battletech was originally called Battledroids till Lucas arts sued them. Battletech was never intended to be original, or genre defining. Just because Mechwarrior was a bunch of annoying fans (let's face facts, nobody cares about the table game much), doesn't mean you can toss away decades of actually good looking work.

>>13796243
I've seen the exact opposite argument made. That western designers treat machines as tools, and shoot for something passes for functionality, whereas Japanese designs tend to humanize, and glorify robots.
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>>13796303
>I've seen the exact opposite argument made
Both arguments are true
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>>13796303
>I've seen the exact opposite argument made. That western designers treat machines as tools, and shoot for something passes for functionality, whereas Japanese designs tend to humanize, and glorify robots.
But that isn't contradictory at all.
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>>13796345
Sorry, accidentally posted before I finish.

Basically Japanese Robots treat machines as individuals with their own identity. But not as a slave or a psudo-human, but as a machine with its own wants and needs different from humans.

The West treat machines as tools that should never be allowed to be more than tools, as attempting to do so would allow the Western robots to break free and become replacement humans.

One Asian example is the idea that man-made objects want to be used for what it was designed for, and it would actually become resentful if it was abandoned or forgotten. Buddhism created that concept.

While in the West it is automatically assumed that machines don't want to work for humans, and would want to escape at the first opportunity.
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>>13796303

It literally does not matter what anybody posts in here. OP and his fellow weebs will just respond with, "hideous" or, "absolutely disgusting."
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>>13796360
You see examples of those in both western and jap shit
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>>13796374
>You see examples of those in both western and jap shit
Every 2 years or so I still keep seeing new Western films about how evil robots are. Wasn't there one about a female android that murdered her way to freedom? Another focus on how robots in the West hate doing what they were built for.
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>>13796405
>Wasn't there one about a female android that murdered her way to freedom

Oh so when a human does it it's heroic but when a chick robot does it you call it "evil"

I think you're the only one here with a fixation on western robutts being evil
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>>13796372
Well I for one am erect at that glorious fucker.
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>>13796409
>Oh so when a human does it it's heroic but when a chick robot does it you call it "evil"
No, and you accidentally agreed with me. The Western idea is to self-inject human thought into a robot and assumed that a robot built to have sex with people would hate having sex, and want to ruin away and do something else.

This is completely bizzare in Asia, as why would you build a robot to hate doing what it is doing? And why would a robot hate its purpose for existence? Only in the West would it make sense for a robot to hate its duty.
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>>13796372
I accept it all the time.
I think -most- American designs are shit, not all. Don't be a fag.

Robot Bastard is my hero.
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>>13793347
because /k/ hates mechs.
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>>13793347
I never got this either.
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>>13793347

Because

>muh manime
>no sparkly super robots
>muh realistic grunt action
>newtypes aren't a major part of gundam
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>>13793347
To talk about /m/ manga, which are almost universally better than anime
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>>13792151
Beast Wars is garbage
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>>13794438
>>13794459
Kinda' sorta' correct.

Games Workshop wanted a Warhammer game, Blizzard began it. When the project was presented it was shot down, GW specifically stated the art direction wasn't a good representation of Warhammer. With a lot of assets of a game completed, the Warhammer PC game was reworked into Warcraft. Since it "didn't look like Warhammer" Blizzard was in the clear to go ahead uncontested. Blizzard's lead designers are known recovering tabletop fanatics, and separately made Starcraft four years later. Within a year an a half GW reworked with Tyranid fluff and design. I went to work for GW the next year. >>13793628 is correct. Two companies with flagship fantasy and sci-fi IP's began to orbit each other. If there was anyone in GW sour about it all or corporate strong arming: I never heard about it. I left them a long time ago but I feel like I missed a really strange turn once GW started to put money into video games.
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>>13793347
I can't watch anime myself anymore, in recovery. But that doesn't stop me from enjoying a lot of mecha.
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>>13793171
a bunch of stolen Kawamori art.
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>>13797026

Licensed Kawamori art, as far as FASA knew at the time. The fact that Macross rights in the US are all fucked isn't their fault.
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>>13797199
>here's a game with good original graphics
>half life mod
this is you
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>>13792146
Why Star Wars still doesn't have humanoid mechas like Gundam or Votoms?
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>>13801014
Because not even a Hutt and a demented designer of Death Star would be crazy enough to build one.
Especially one that wield THIS.
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>>13800683
That's a garbage comparison.
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>>13801014
It kinda sorta has powered armor, which is close enough
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>>13796432
Wouldn't something like this only apply to robots with some sort of intelligence?

Most fictional mecha do not have any sort of intelligence, so using this concept as an explanation would also imply that westerners are also afraid of their washing machines rebelling against them and other such nonsense
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>>13801107
>Wouldn't something like this only apply to robots with some sort of intelligence?
>Most fictional mecha do not have any sort of intelligence, so using this concept as an explanation would also imply that westerners are also afraid of their washing machines rebelling against them and other such nonsense
Well yes. Basically the West is terrified of robot intelligence for this reason. While in Asia the cultural belief meant it is assumed that robot intelligent wouldn't turn homicidal for no good reason.

West: All machines want to kill us if we let them free.
East: All machines want to do their jobs and would be annoyed if not given something to do.
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>>13801014
There are a few in the old EU, some show up in comics.
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>>13796853
Look out everyone, captain shit taste is here.
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>>13805177
The CGI didn't age well, but the show is still top notch.
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Warmachine?
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>>13796372
datsum robot jox?
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OP is a nigger
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Just the best American Robot design passing by.
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Does /m/ not like retro sci-fi?
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>>13801027
Darksaber was such a shit novel
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does this count?
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>>13808144
There were a couple of good retro threads a few months back actually.
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>>13808144
/m/'s not a hivemind, Forbidden Planet gives me a fucking boner

Those matte paintings for the huge alien interiors, goddamn
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>>13792146

no, but it's a good one

most good american mechanical design is not giant robots because they are so culturally japanese
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>>13808317
>capeshit
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>>13808336
>Spongebob
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>>13808336

I'm not really into it, but it's good mechanical design
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>>13792477
The smoother front of the head just looks weird, as does the way that the neck is recessed into the body.
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>>13808341

Spongebob!
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>>13808336
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Voltron motherfuckers
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>>13794471

my brother of african descent

that intro to G-police two, the marine units, the overburdened APCs and the budget cuts. Fuck, we'll never get sequels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtyA93_97eQ
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>>13808753
I was about to link you to the ancient g-police site that was somehow still active, but the domain seems to have expired since last year.
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>>13808766

If only gog would release the PC versions. still, I have my old PSone disks.

The levels where the Marines turn on you were great, and the last few when they swapped into the colony wars engine.

https://youtu.be/igaYl1PsJtw?t=200
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>>13808791
I have PC version, want it?
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>>13808798

Does it work on 8? And did they ever release weapons of justice?

Either way, i'd be definitely grateful, that game got me into cyberpunk.
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>>13808805
Wouldn't know, not running 8.
Here it is though..
https://mega.nz/#!9ZRwCYAS!teWEPlcsQza3LDhlMEeaK32vPQZRZjeBEzkPLr791X8
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>>13808822

Thanks bruder. I forgot how small old games are. First i've actually heard someone play this game on 4chan, besides the guy who ran zeonquest way back then.
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>>13793137
I concur my african-american brethren
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>>13792477

>Not dropping the AT-ATs in those giant barges from Empire at War
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>>13808945
I was wondering about this too.
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