Never seen a thread about it so I made one, what do you guys think?
Since there is a Robotech thread I'll list things I note in exclusive RT footage. Meaning Robotech II The Sentinels, Shadow Chronicles and Love Live Alive.
There is a toy of it but it has a fin.
The Super Shadow Fighter of Marcus is pretty much like his Shadow Fighter except for the super parts and normal hands.
Green and Shadow Betas toys have the same head.
Pretty much the same with different parts attached.
Funny because HG is the reason why no Macross can legally come to the states anymore without paying them their extortion fee.
Invid ships in Sentinels.
>Most of /m/ hate it on GP because they're butthurt about not getting localized SRW games.
Oh yes, that is the sole reason and not because it's part of the problem of why Macross (and neither of the other two) can't come to the states neither in disc nor simulcast format to the point where even Kawamori is depressed about it.
Also Shadow Chronicles was ass. Everybody knows it.
Notice the winglets.
Deucalion Garfish Class Science Vessel
When it comes to SDFM itself, I don't really think there are enough changes to the story to really consider one of them to be objectively superior to the other. There are some name-swaps and some changes in minor setting details but the story of the crew remains almost entirely unchanged.
But when you look at the expanded franchises...
I liked Plus, Zero was mostly okay I guess, but I'd pick Southern Cross and MOSPEADA over Macross 7 and Frontier any day.
It's funny how purists still complain about the flower of life being used as a heat source in Robotech when the POWER OF MUSIC has gone to such silly lengths in Macross.
>Macross isn't centered about music and all the crap
How old are you two? Just because music was a theme does not make it the center of the show, even someone on 4chan of all places should understand that.
And just because it's been about music since the original doesn't mean the original is all about the music.
this is incredible
why would a human being try to recreate robotech in high quality
Yes and no.
Yes, Macross made money selling music like Gundam made money selling models. No, music itself is not the center of the original Macross. Human culture was.
It wasn't just music making the Zentradi freak out, it was kisses, bikinis, movie special effects, and any and every non-combat piece of technology or culture we have. Music was unsettling to the Zentradi, and it was inspiring to the humans, but what actually won the battle was reaction warheads and the barrier system.
Plus prominently featured singers as both the villain and love interest, Seven was all about singing to space whales, and Zero was about singing to floating rocks. On the whole, the franchise is now more about music than war, but it didn't start out that way.
They can't do the same culture shock shtick with every race especially considering it was done to its full potential already so they've been doing different shit while still tying it with music
>On the whole, the franchise is now more about music than war, but it didn't start out that way.
War is only a third of the equation even for the original Macross
Because I want to, isn't that obvious.
I don't read the robotech comics. And don't you have to go watch Macross Delta, something that's barely Macross related at all.
Wrong, I posted it on reddit. I'm not from there, but I don't think a moron like you would understand that.
Thank you, finally a sensible person in this thread.
>something that's barely Macross related at all.
This anon think he can decide that.
I'm sorry but I'll take Shoji Kawamori's side than some delusional random anon from 4chan like you
>Wrong, I posted it on reddit
Wow that's actually worse. You weren't some reddit idiot who wandered out of his hole to post his garbage here, you willingly went there. No wonder this board's quality is going down if people are defending actually going on the place
>And don't you have to go watch Macross Delta, something that's barely Macross related at all.
Oh no it's not exactly like Plus, it isn't Macross to meeeeee
So like are you just desperate or do you really believe this?
I'd like to see somebody Special Edition in the SDF2 to the ending fight. There were comics that drew the ending with it there and it makes a lot more sense visually than how it looks as-is.
From the Nyaa link:
>Though episodes featuring scenes form the Masters are not in this version due to the original Japanese version not released on Blu-ray, so I've edited the video and audio so you won't even know they were there to begin with.
So essentially the neat cross connectivity between series has been edited out. This guy took an edit job of a series and managed to fuck it up.
So how 'bout that Robotech movie, huh slugger?
i literally laughed so hard that i cried
Yes since Robotech isn't taken seriously.
Yep. Basically, Robotech fans are extremely defensive of their nostalgia, and won't just accept that there's not much reason for Robotech to continue to be pushed onto America, as it isn't the 1980's anymore.
As a result, Macross fans tend to flock to them with violent intent, and there's a fuck ton of shit posting from either side.
Is there any reason at all for someone who never watched any of the shows (SDFM, SC and Mospeada, or Robotech for that matter) to watch RT over the three original shows independently?
I mean, it would be faster I guess, since it's 65 episodes against, what? 120 episodes?
Anime were already imported to america since 1960. Robotech was just a flavor of the month that came out alongside other americanized anime in the 80's. Robotech was irrelevant then, and still irrelevant now.
>OP links to a Reddit thread from a Nyaa link from 2014 of an edited syndication further edited by mashing up footage even more and is so poorly done that the nigga had to take clips out because one of the series doesn't have BDs
I haven't, but from the trailer you know it's generic and not good at all.
Woah, record scratch.
I couldn't really care if Robotech is dead.
I didn't think you could read.
I never said that, though some people like to believe it. I think you've confused me with another anon in the thread.
And the Space Cruiser Yamato movie from the 70's in English.
I hate to say it, but despite their incredibly poor performances in dubs and censorship, Funimation and Saban saved mainstream anime from Harmony Gold. We could have had a lot more popular anime in the 80s but HG fucked the whole industry over.
Does anyone have that picture from some big con that had a Robotech panel and the room was almost empty while the panel was going?
Funimation's biggest sin ever was how they handled Dragon Ball Z (and depending on who you ask, Shin-chan and how they handled Case Closed) causing a huge schism in the fanbase especially considering how the company themselves reversed themselves on this policy, but aside from that and some other questionable policies they were for a long time the only company who could do consistent dubbing and consistent dual-language releases. So I would have taken Funi over HG no matter how questionable their policies
Saban is just a jew but he brought significantly more iconic shows over.
Episode 64 done: http://ciaranhillock.tumblr.com/post/138090413538/robotech-remastered-episode-64-survival-1080p
>but aside from that and some other questionable policies they were for a long time the only company who could do consistent dubbing and consistent dual-language releases.
What about pic related, who did that but better?
>Saban is just a jew but he brought significantly more iconic shows over.
No he didn't, he copied shows and stole footage. Power Rangers isn't even remotely the same series as Super Sentai. Saban was arguably worse than HG.
That's actually with a lot of their panels. Its the reason why they don't go to any cons unless someone calls up said cons and begs them to be invited along. Even then, in order to get people's butts in seats, they either need to announce they have new information on an "upcoming" project or they just reserve their panels before the much larger ones with more going on which will snatch up people just trying to save their seats early.
A lot of the time, they really don't have much of anything to really give an update on except for a bunch of broken toys from Toynami, some calenders, and maybe something else about long-delayed RPG books from Palladium.
Pic related is from a AnimeNEXT in 2012.
>It's funny how purists still complain about the flower of life being used as a heat source in Robotech when the POWER OF MUSIC has gone to such silly lengths in Macross.
Its a problem shared on both sides really. Robotech extremists also love picking apart Kawamori's trippy story elements in Macross, while ignoring Robotech's own crazy EU material with muscled space bears, scantily clad Amazonian women who control Robo-horses, and the ever-popular Protoculture energy source that powers everything, drives people insane, and also doubles over as a 'Force" like power that allows certain people to 'shape' certain events in the universe (Protoculture Shapings).
I've seen numerous occasions where they really get so uppity in people's faces that they'll even decree that Macross sequels aren't worth anyone's time and that Robotech is far superior in which it will certainly take viewers into a universe that "makes more sense". You really can't make this shit up. Everyone's arguing that their form of sci-fi voodoo is less insane than the other....!
Harmony Gold's marketing manager, Kevin Mckeever, has made the statement that their stored footage of Robotech is on 16mm film. If this is true, its very possible to clean and polish it up to much more acceptable standards than what they keeping repeating on DVD (which really look like ass).
However, he's also trying to convince everyone that 16mm is just far too expensive for his company to remaster and they're waiting for the costs to go down. He's saying this after PBS managed to completely restore their Ken Burns Civil War documentary from 1990....PBS....As in the documentation TV network that runs on donations. And HG apparently can't keep up with that. I wouldn't be surprised if he's lying and that their archived footage is just outdated VHS stock.
>Are you seriously implying that HG prevented you from downloading Macross Delta?
>Or any other Macross show
HG prevented me from buying Macross Plus in 1996, Macross on DVD from Animeigo in 1999 and again from ADV in 2008.
Oh wait, I mean they did not prevent me from buying those products.
Sentai is the shitty version of ADV. And Discotek only does ADV's job better because ADV is dead.
>I hate to say it, but despite their incredibly poor performances in dubs and censorship, Funimation and Saban saved mainstream anime from Harmony Gold.
Too bad they couldn't save it from Tokyopop
But they do. People use the comics and the Mckinney books all the time to fill in all the plot-holes and continuity gaps in the animated portions of Robotech all the time. Even the few Robotech discussions on /m/ have numerous references to the Expanded Universe material in some way, shape, or form.
It also doesn't matter if people just want to ignore it, because even the current animated continuity with Shadow Chronicles sequels the Waltrip Bros' Sentinels comics with its' own Prelude To Shadow Chronicles series. It solidifies everything that went on in those books as canon.
>Harmony Gold's marketing manager, Kevin Mckeever, has made the statement that their stored footage of Robotech is on 16mm film. If this is true, its very possible to clean and polish it up to much more acceptable standards than what they keeping repeating on DVD (which really look like ass).
>However, he's also trying to convince everyone that 16mm is just far too expensive for his company to remaster and they're waiting for the costs to go down. He's saying this after PBS managed to completely restore their Ken Burns Civil War documentary from 1990....PBS....As in the documentation TV network that runs on donations. And HG apparently can't keep up with that. I wouldn't be surprised if he's lying and that their archived footage is just outdated VHS stock.
I'm calling double bullshit. Yes, film is expensive to remaster but Robotech is the only thing they sell. If Animeigo could remaster Macross in 1999, there is zero reason HG couldn't do it in 2016.
But I also don't think they have 16mm masters. Robotech was edited on magnetic tape and sent to TV stations on magnetic. Why would they have 16mm prints? If they did, they would be sourced from the tape. Just smells like shit.
OK, I found the source of that:
>To answer a question about Robotech on Blu-ray, McKeever showed a box that contained the original 16mm film that they received from Tatsunoko studios, which is how a lot of anime was aired back in the 1980’s. While the films aren’t in bad condition, they’re not in great condition, and the process to upconvert a 16mm film to high-definition video is prohibitively expensive at this point for them to attempt the conversion.
They received 16mm prints of the source materials. There is no Robotech on 16mm to be cleaned up. They would have to remaster all three series and then re-edit. Probably not worth the investment when fans eat the same shitty copies over and over.
I know, right? He even stated in a convention in 2013 that remastering 16mm film to HD of any kind was "theoretical" and Harmony Gold just couldn't so it because its all just moon-science. Apparently someone must've fact checked him between tours because its' only in later appearances that he's finally throwing around the "its just out of our price range" card.
Most of them are. Strike that, all of them are.
They're remenants from a bygone era, life has passed by and they still cling to this stupid shit show that has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
>If Animeigo could remaster Macross in 1999
Animeigo didn't remaster shit. They fucked with the contrast of analog tapes and that's it. They never had access to the masters so they literally can't remaster.
>the original 16mm film that they received from Tatsunoko studios
Bull-fucking-shit. The originals are still safe and sound in Japan otherwise the SDF BD box would not exist. All HG could ever conceivably have access to is tapes. Never film.
Man, the refitted SDF-3 really looks like shit. The original ship was a large unique mold of human and Zentraedi design, with a self-healing hull, its own planetary defense garrison, and everything: A true marvel of human/alien unification. Now its just a smaller overly-militarized White Base knock-off.
Really got to hand it to Harmony Gold to outright destroy the thing so they can refit the design and rename it into the "Shadow Dimensional Fortress" to avoid calling it "Super Dimensional Fortress", just to play it safe. Can't have characters blabbering around the name of a spaceship they have no rights to use in animation format.
What's going on with that rifle? Is that thing supposed to be attached to the arm itself or something, because there's no way those mechanical hands can fit in the tiny thing.
Even the toys are fucked up because of this. You CANNOT fit that shit on there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5A3aPY-fbQ (skip to 9:25)
If you look in the extras DVD of Love Live Alive, you'll notice that all of the "early animation" segments are actually what's presented in the movie. They just blurred the screen and added some extra lighting in certain places to make it look like things were finished. Really helps when things are completely out of focus.
No way were they going to put as much detail as this >>13790795
>Bull-fucking-shit. The originals are still safe and sound in Japan otherwise the SDF BD box would not exist. All HG could ever conceivably have access to is tapes. Never film.
Not him, but it wouldn't have to be the original first generation film reels. It's possible they got alternate prints or something.
You're probably right though. I don't know what the industry standard was at the time, but tapes seem like they'd be much easier to distribute.
Don't you have some Macross loli tentacle porn to jack off to?
Anyway got another episode done: https://www.reddit.com/r/robotech/comments/439o1l/robotech_remastered_episode_65_curtain_call_1080p/
The point of this is?
Or what? Are you going to write me an angry letter. Boo hoo.
Getting this triggered an opinion.
As opposed to it being Duke Nukem. Come at me bro.
Actually, both of the late SDF class fortresses are garbage. The SDF-4 was crippled by a single Quadronno, and nearly got its ass handed to itself by an Invid fleet, and it has four enormous particle cannons! The SDF-1 took on way more numbers by going up against an entire armada of Zentraedi warships and a space fortress.
>Robofags are way angrier
Robotech fans don't shit up Macross threads, mang, but there's never been a Robotech thread on /m/ that doesn't have some Macross fan preaching about HG being evil and insulting everyone who doesn't angrily reject Robotech.
It's pretty obvious who's bitter and angry.
>but there's never been a Robotech thread on /m/ that doesn't have some Macross fan preaching about HG being evil
If it makes you feel any better, I'm a Robotech fan who happens to contribute quite a bit of the comic/novel story elements in what little Robotech discussions we have here, and I'm ALSO the one who helps provide most of the legal information and various Harmony Gold fuckeries. Sorry man, I love Robotech for what it is but...shit company is shit. Its because of their incompetence that projects keep getting fucked over, and what little that does manage to get finished is just a dried up turd on a summer highway.
It really doesn't matter what topic you choose about Robotech. One way or another, it always boils down to some bullshit with HG. Can't get a series made because Harmony Gold keeps beating around the bush on actual work being done on it. Not getting remastered blu-rays because 16mm film is SCAAARRY. Continuity keeps getting fucked up because Tommy wants everything to be remade and rewritten so that it makes sense with Shadow Chronicles......And hey, How's that movie coming along? Oh right they're fucking around with two hack producers who made those stupid 300 and GI Joe films just to write a fucking script, with James Wan passing up production to go work on Aquaman, and with no set date for release...or even when actual production is supposed to start.
> Is that thing supposed to be attached to the arm
Here is the Dark Legios from the Imai Files. Dark Legios and Shadow Fighter toys with the three finger claw work the same.
Dude that is racist.
It is more accurate to say they are run by crooks with Mafia links.
>>On October 26, 2012, Agrama was convicted after a lengthy trial involving the buying and selling of US film rights to the Mediaset media company at inflated prices. As his age exceeded 70 years, he was exempted from direct imprisonment and served no actual jail time. According to the Los Angeles Times, prosecutors in Milan, Italy charged Agrama, along with former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, and ten others in a trial over tax fraud, embezzlement and false accounting at the Mediaset media company on November 21, 2006.
>>In 2013, Agrama and several others, including Mediaset Vice Chairman Pier Silvio Berlusconi, son of Silvio Berlusconi, and the Hong Kong-based Wiltshire Group of Companies were placed on trial for tax evasion and embezzlement with the broadcasting rights firm, Mediatrade. In 2014, all parties were acquitted in the first instance due to expiring statute of limitations. A new appeals hearing will take place on January 20, 2016.
Episode 66 is out in 1080p bluray.
Dunno, can't find out if it is or not.