Let's have a thread that's not (exactly) about Gundam.
There are already lots of Gundam threads, right? But there's a reason for that which isn't often mentioned: its portrayal of conflict. Sure there were other robot shows before Gundam, but do any of them make such an effort to show bad people on the "good" side, good people on the "bad" side, and the circumstances that lead to desperate motivations? Here we are 37 years later and people still argue over whether the war was justified, where the line between "acts of war" and "war crimes" should be drawn, and whether the villain was ultimately right or the hero was misguided by blind faith.
Has anyone even been as far as to defend Dr Hell's point of view? Has anyone ever argued that Shotaro's way was wrong? That Basara was imposing his will on the world? Will anyone speak in defense of Refless? Of the Zor Lords? Will no one point the finger at Keline Sandman for the destruction of Selias and Lambdas when he thoughtlessly destroyed the only means of controlling his brother's murderbots?
Also coffee thread.
Enjoy ur taxation without representation, federast.
>but do any of them make such an effort to show good people on the "bad" side
The Vegan Empire comprise of different kinds of people from all over the universe which were conquered, like Duke Fleed. They had no choice but to face Duke Fleed, or suffer terrible consequences. In one episode, Vegan children were wholly brainwashed that Duke Fleed was the motherload of evil. Also there were some family bonding too, with that science minister caring a lot for his son who went to duel Duke Fleed.
Duke Fleed is also engaged to Rubina, the Vegan emperor's daughter, not to mention the other times where sexy female aliens fell uncontrollably in love with Duke Fleed.
Great Mazinger had a similar deal with the Mycenae. People who are wholly good but are forced to fight Great Mazinger or face consequences.
Notice that I'm saying his name a lot, because Duke Fleed is the most fabulous pilot of the universe.
Does that answer your question?
>That Basara was imposing his will on the world?
Kind of. But it usually more comes to 'if this were any other series than Macross 7, he'd have been dead, and was just Goddamn lucky to be in the one setting which seems tailor made to run with his shtick'
Generally, the Romance Robot shows by Nagahama made a big deal out of both sides having good and evil people, usually fighting because the invasion force's prick leader got too greedy. Daimos is the most significant example (incidentally, Shidoni came back to work on the show, despite some brief subninja-induced amnesia).
Well, Shin Mazinger Shougeki! Z-Hen tries to explain Dr. Hell's actions -
that his desire for world domination was so that he could then arm and prepare humanity for war against the Mycenae Empire.
I haven't finished Toei Mazinger yet nor read any Mazinger manga so I'm not sure how he ends up being portrayed in either.
Are you implying that Dr Hell was right to do what he did, and that the 'Zinger crew were the true villains?
Then we're back to Gundam being the only show where you can usually argue both sides of the war...
At the same time, Doctor Hell was generally more on top of his shit. Mazinger was a better machine as a single unit, but the photon power labs were a small scale operation not set up to defend the planet. Hell amassed an army and logistics and actually knew what he was preparing for.
His forced turned out to not be strong enough for the job, but the job he set out to do was still a good idea. The best result would have been to just ally with the photon power labs and explain everything, though.
Rebuild is a sequel because in the Rebuildverse coffee comes in cans out of vending machines
In Gosaku Ota's manga, Dr. Hell had a shitty childhood. He then fell in love with the girl who went on to become Juuzo's wife. (She has a name, but I can't remember it right now) When he found out that his friend Juuzo was going out with her, he got angry and depressed, but got inspired by Hitler and got to work with the nazis (If I remember well, I have to check the manga again).
Also, in Shin Mazinger, he wants to conquer the world, but his major reason of doing it not to fight the mycenae. He just wants to become like alexander the great, ghenghis khan etc.