Apparently the youtube channel for the Oscars accidentally uploaded this video earlier today, it got DL'd and mirrored before they pulled it down. Pretty cool look at how they blended practical and CGI.
alternate link in case disney jews pull this one down
>Original Actor's Performance Replaced by Digital Kylo Ren
And that's about it for my shitty screenshots, I'm sure the super deluxe BD boxset will have more behind the scenes/production footage than I ever would want to watch, but it's interesting to see this so early.
Nice Ksatryps, Satan.
Also, I've known about TFA's abundant CG for a very long time and it's never really bothered me.
What does bother me is retards that think everything in the prequels is CG while jerking off TFA's "practical only"
Fuck, even Fury Road had it's fair of CG effects. Practical fags are retarded, and probably think all of A WotT's MS were hand drawn too.
Old man finally lost it, he's talking to an empty chair!
But practical effects do help actors to connect with the world, react and interact with the fictional elements of the world, which makes both the characters and the world seem more real.
no thats the point. They can put money into writing and acting if they dont bloat the budget with over the top special effects that are done in an instant. Except they use to many european no nam actors these days they really need to stop that.
problem is they dont use anyone but dicaprio or dwayne johnson the rest of the movies all use european actors that use an american accent. Its really annoying when you can tell they are doing an american accent too.
Seriously. Hundreds of stupid kids flock to Hollywood each year. If they are going to recruit a stupid kid who can't act, why not recruit a local one? I don't mind it so much with star wars since there is a tradition there, but in shit like Pacific Rim where Raleigh is supposed to be an American hero, Hunam's rapidly failing accent was intolerable.
If Kevin Costner's failing English accent is a source of ridicule, why should we accept a British person failing an American accent.
Ugh and i hate every director that's not American too.
Also fuck these new Star Wars films. Filming all over the world, none of it in America. It really breaks the immersion, this is America dammnit
Hunnam built his brand in America through Sons of Anarchy, which is pretty damn popular, and apparently he didn't slip his accent too much according to
my mom's boyfriend.
Did you see Crimson Peak? I don't even know what kind of accent he was going for there, but it was pretty annoying compared to the .rest of the cast. You think Del Taco would hire a coach for him or something.
You sound pretty passionate about your country.
I just wish people wouldn't talk about them as if they abandoned practical effects. There was of course too much cg but the amount of practical effects and what they actually managed to build is insane. Also I think the phantom Menace was made at the perfect time when cg wasn't quite good enough to go completely overboard with it and so more effort had to be put in when deciding where to use it and how to make it blend in. Was phantom Menace shot on film too because that might have helped. Shame the about the story and all that though
its a troll, he thinks I'm being nationalistic becasue I dont like immersion breaking american accents from no name crap actors from Europe in all the movies. Its all so they dont have to pay the american actors so much. Its just being cheap.
they couldnt spend the money needed for writing and acting becasue it all went to cgi. Its one of the main reasons the pre-sequals sucked so bad. That kid that played annakin played a major role in how shitty the movie was. I mean I hated that faggot I couldn't even listen to his robot acting.
im afraid my autistic prequels practical effects chart is not complete
all cgi movies, pretty much, have stages that arent cgi. I really think the movies were killed from the the pubecent anakin actor. the little kid I thought was pretty good though and I still like that movie except for the piece of shit Jar Jar.
Did you know that no Clone trooper armor was ever produced? Thats because every single fucking clone trooper in the movie is cgi made. They didn't even have a single person put on a armor and do some shots, nope, all CGI, I'm not even a Star Wars fan and I know thats bullshit
I'm not talking about the blue screen you dingus, every single fucking movie in the history of mankind uses green screen. On the other hand, on the pre-quels they they had actually people in costume, droids and aliens to interact with, instead of having nothing to interact, which most of the actors complained about it
>Somebody from /tv/ always posts this as if it's a counterargument
These are shots that couldn't be done without the bluescreens. The issue is when you use it when not required. They were also layered onto miniatures, paintings and real footage rather than massive and kind of fake looking CG landscapes.
Would any of you happen to have any interesting book pdfs or whatever about SFX/VFX?
Or any reading recommendations, really.
I'm trying to research the subject on a academic level, but there's not a whole lot to go on when it comes to actual published material.
Nothing really. The point of the blue/green screen is that it's easy to digitally remove without accidentally cutting into the actors since they're not even close to the background's color. All you need is a bright, unnatural color.
I'll use the title of our monograph to try and sum it up: "An analysis of the return of practical effects in the film industry using the Star Wars franchise"
I know SFX never really "disappeared", but it was the easiest way to frame what we mean to achieve as a conclusion: to produce a competent film you need to have practical and digital effects in balance.
not really much on sfx but it'll give you a better perspective on the whole process. Fairly easy to find online but beware as it's about 1000 pages long
>They were also layered onto miniatures, paintings and real footage rather than massive and kind of fake looking CG landscapes.
the technique remains basically unchanged. the problem is that the designs were too over the top to be believable, and too much was crammed onto the screen. Stuff like cg clones was completely unnecessary though
from the /tv/ thread yesterday:
MEGA link here - https://mega.nz/#!EcZXRBwR!0aYbrqLT5Ndwojy3XpeJKU5qL8fNCV1gEDH4wJCHrdQ
>>>/tv/64858373 for webms if you can deal with the autism
do you like your work?
Sure, but why CG mask? They could've easily just put his head in a real, practical helmet. They must've had one. I'm sure of it. It would be cheaper, faster, "real"(whatever it is). Plain more efficient. So, why not?
Or, maybe, they shot that scene as intended, without mask. But later, in editing, decided that mask on works better. Maybe that's what you're trying to say and I'm a dummy.
you are a god among men, anon! well fucking done, good bloody thinking! and thanx!!
Your entire post is just wrong. Lucas did a nationwide casting search for the characters in the prequel trilogy. If he was scarce on resources he couldn't have gotten Liam Neeson, Jackson, Portman, etc.
From a technical perspective there is none. However, in practice a blue screen is used when you want to fill in the background with a practical effect like a matte painting, where as green is used for cgi.
I feel like TPM had the perfect blend of practical and CG effects in cinema history. AotC still had an acceptable blend, but by the time of RotS Lucas got really lazy and relied too much on CG. Even when he did use practical effects in Ep3 he would only half finish them and finish the rest with CG. A good example of this is the platform Anakin and Obiwan fight on before jumping onto the lava platforms.
The clonetroopers were pretty convincing, and having them CGI probably saved the production time, considering you had many clonetroopers in some shots, so you would have to film a real guy in armor, get the lighting to match just right, then you have to duplicate that guy many times for scenes with lots of CTs, then you have to get the lighting just right for each of those duplictes, so having them CG saved a lot of time and money, not to mention CG characters can to a lot more stunts and physical action than people in costumes can, which is why Yoda went CG too
>which is why Yoda went CG too
The Yoda CG model is absolutely horrendous, should have stuck with the puppet. If sticking with a puppet means no Yoda vs Dooku match then so be it because that fight looked goofy anyways. No matter what you say there is zero excuse for not using a guy in costume for the close up shots, like when the trooper picks up Obi Wans saber in Ep3.
From a technical perspective, as others have said, there is none. Both work as well as any other color to key out for digital replacement. However, from a functional perspective in my experience actually working with keying and matting, green leaves more natural looking edges with less need for precise roto work after the fact.
Though, as you might guess, if you're trying to film something green or blue you might use the other to avoid having to roto a mask around those elements.
AotC is the worst offender even if RoTS has more CGI, because they keying on ep II is fucking terrible. There is color bleeding into pretty much every edge, even RoTJ (1983!) is better.
The puppet from episode 1 was pretty bad too though. It's actually one of the few prequel bits that got "Special Edition-"ed out later, replacing him with the CG model from the later movies.
Lucas was probably still having nightmares about all this
still doesnt excuse having no actual suits whatsoever in the prequels. Commander cody really could have used one atleast, especially when he had his helmet off
The shitting on the Prequels' effects always pisses me off. It's a given that early CG isn't going to be realistic. What matters is the art design, which is top notch on all fronts. Pretend you're watching a moving painting. There, better?
You can't necessarily ignore Lucas' bad directing, but the visuals are fine.
I also like PT's lightsaber fights and fuck anyone who didn't.
>The Yoda CG model is absolutely horrendous, should have stuck with the puppet. If sticking with a puppet means no Yoda vs Dooku match then so be it because that fight looked goofy anyways.
>OTfags actually believe this.
The only parts of that fight that were goofy were the parts that could have been done with practical effects.
The OT is just as bad expect occasionaly uses better camera angles to obscures that stuf, But nobodies going to make a video to pick apart the original trilogy because its just not cool
To be honest most of the original trilogy's fights are just the two combatants rubbing swords together whilst they can chat for a bit or darth vader making huge pointless spins and slashes and hitting everything on the set except his opponent
The whole point of the way they were is because actual Force-users were fighting them. Remember that not only do they have heightened reflexes and a form of telekinesis, but that they also have a limited form of prescience. What you're seeing isn't "sick spins dude" but two opponents that can read each other perfectly doing their best to fake each other out and create an opening to slice off the others' arm. Real fencing has this too, with feints and whatnot, but everything is ratcheted up a notch because of their Force powers.
Plus it looks cool.
In comparison, all the lightsaber duels in the OT were fought between an old man, a half-dead cyborg, and a noob.
At least it wasn't as obvious about it as this.
>Plus it looks cool.
No, it looks fake.
Fake with no emotion or attempt at real combat. Which is a shame, because Ray Park is immensely talented and could have done much better if he wasn't held back by having to pretend those other scrubs could keep up with him.
They can't hire stuntment to play all parts.
Hell the only reason Park got the part is because he had no dialogue.
Then again Park can act moderately decently so I don't get why he's also near silent.
I remember liking TPM when it came out. I also remember liking AotC too. RotS was also enjoyable too.
I also watched the original trilogy at the time, and to be honest, they were just alright. I'm not sure why people have this boner for the OT.
>To be honest most of the fights are just the two combatants rubbing swords together whilst they can chat for a bit or making huge pointless spins and slashes and hitting everything on the set except his opponent
Didn't know this was a Gundam thread
I liked TPM when it came out (I was, admittedly, maybe 10 at the time), but each time I rewatched, it felt a little more boring. After seeing TFA, I did a rewatch of all the star wars movies, and the OT still holds up very well. The prequals less so, but by far the biggest problem there was the scripts. The effects were not great, but overall not distractingly terrible.
Although things like this make me sad. Would it have been so hard to have some dudes in full blue suits around, if only to give them something physical to actually hit?
Haha, you read like a Star Wars fan through and through. They were done that way because that's what the production people thought people wanted to see, CGI wire-fu fights. No amount of post production rationalization is going to be the right answer. These were made by people.
His accent would have fit right in when you consider the Nemoidians and Liam Neeson.