>if things happened as portrayed in DYRL, based on the fact that Macross has the ARMD Carriers as arms, the shoulder cannons would be destroyed
>if things happened as portrayed in the series, it would have Prometheus and Daedalus as arms, would be missing its entire right torso from Kamujin crashing into it, and would be unable to fly
>somehow it's fully intact, has the ARMD Carriers, has the main cannons, and can still fly
Someone explain this sorcery.
Or, alternatively, KAWAMORIIIIIIIIII!
It follows the DYRL canon, so it has both ARMD carriers.
>somehow it's fully intact, has the ARMD Carriers, has the main cannons, and can still fly
>The Macross takes part in one more major engagement against rogue Zentradi Kamjin Kravshera's forces during the Defensive Battle of Macross City in January 2012. Despite extensive damage following the battle, the Macross is repaired and undergoes a major refit. To this day, the Macross remains the home of the U.N. Military Command Center and is berthed in Macross City on Earth.
Either way, repairs and refits to the Macross is pretty much the explanation.
It's been over 50 years, upgrades and repairs are expected.
It probably participated in the defence of Earth when the Vajra, controlled by Galaxy, attacked as well.
It was rebuilt and refit sometime after the Megaroad was launched. The Daedalus and Prometheus were removed and replaced with the hulls of two ARMD carriers, though they were never actually commissioned in service.
But... where would they build them from? All of Earth's infrastructure was presumably destroyed in the orbital bombardment, so were they built from the automated factory satellite? Presumably, that thing's programmed to build Zentradi warships so it would require some doing to get it to build ARMD carriers.
But if that's the case then why not build something even better than an ARMD carrier? Give it some sort of hybrid cannon arm and Valkyrie bay with a shitload of missile ports.
>would require some doing to get it to build ARMD carriers.
I assume the factory satellite is actually a versatile as fuck factory, like, they just feed in the designs for the ARMD and it starts shitting out ARMDs.
>But if that's the case then why not build something even better than an ARMD carrier?
Because it's not really useful. The Macross is pretty much sitting on Earth and defending it when shit happens. Besides, the Macross Cannon is a big enough gun, it doesn't need another cannon arm.
>Give it some sort of hybrid cannon arm and Valkyrie bay with a shitload of missile ports.
The Quarter had them.
The main cannon on the starboard side, and the carrier deck on the port side.
You are complaining about that but Macross II had the entire Macross extremities as Macross cannons.
In any case at the time the SDFN Macross class was being produced, 12 in total, to serve as recon fleets to trail blaze the way before Megaroad fleets leave Earth. The SDF-1 Macross was likely a test bed refit.
Honestly giving it's sitting in water it may as well have the boats.
Arbitrarily Daedalus being attached to the Macross at some point is among the "more canon" things in Macross because you can't have a Daedalus attack without the Daedalus.
That's been the standard design for New Macross Battle carriers since 7. The Quarter is called that because it's outright a quarter the size of Battle 7 and Battle Frontier.
>That's been the standard design for New Macross Battle carriers since 7
For the Battle-class, both arms are carrier ships.
They had an additional ship that's pretty much entirely a Macross Cannon with ship parts on it.
>based on the fact that Macross has the ARMD Carriers as arms
You do realize that those are not permanently attached, right? They're just docked. And the Daedalus and Prometheus had no business being in space, that was an accident. The fact that they docked ARMD to the Macross when they restored it means nothing.
Also the main cannons were rammed by Kamujin and Lap Lamiz in the series. Also also Plus is like 30 years later, they've had plenty of time to restore its ability to fly.
>main cannons were rammed by Kamujin and Lap Lamiz in the series
Didn't the cannons disintegrate or something after firing? It was probably damaged by Kamujin's ship during the charge, and the Macross later fell out of the sky after firing, landing back in the water.
Daedalus was the one that got rammed when the ship went off course at the end.
Actually, if I'm understanding this correctly, the carrier deck can also function as a self contained ship, as can each leg. In fact, the Battler and Quarter classes can apparently split into a total of five different ships if needed, each with their own reactor, crew and control deck.
The Quarter and Battle-class can both split into individual ships each with their own fold drive and propulsion system and can operate independently if needed.
A fleet of nothing but the gunships from Battle-class would be hilarious though, a fleet that comprises entirely of ship that is pretty much the biggest gun they have with ship parts strapped on it.
Yeah, but doesn't the Macross Cannon use the output from all five reactors? They wouldn't be able to fire at full force by themselves.
Also, I now wanna see the individual ships fly in together and gattai on the battlefield in Delta.
Why can't it shoot down Isamu's YF-19?
More like I want to see -anything- that touches on that.
I mean despite all the talk about independent operation, these ships are pretty much build as construction modules to slap together in the final phase of construction, and we've never seen a Macross-type vessel separated into its component ships. They're not even shown offhand.
>The Quarter and Battle-class can both split into individual ships each with their own fold drive and propulsion system and can operate independently if needed.
Really? That's hilarious. It's like someone went "Hey, you know the SDF-1 was modular right? Let's take it one step further!"
>The Battle Frontier is comprised of six ships: two stealth medium space carriers (which function as the arms in attack mode), one Combat Command Carrier ("central block"), two medium assault battleships (functioning as the leg "engine blocks"") and one heavy bombardment warship ("Gunship"). When separated, each ship is fold capable, combat capable and otherwise possesses all capabilities of a battleship.
6 battleship level warships if they split, damn.
Here's what I found on Macross Mecha Manual, its for Battle 7, but the later models should be able to do what it did.
>1 x OTEC-manufactured Gunship Main Gun super beam weapon, 100 degrees elevation when latched to holder grip, less than 1 shot/60 min, capable of independant maneuvering (mounted forward ventral hull in Carrier mode, starboard manipulator in Attack mode); folding hand grip; when used in hand-held shooting mode, energy is supplied from Battle 7;
>Macross Cannon can operate independently, but function and output will be greatly restricted; Macross Cannon energy consumption is intense and independent usage is limited to 2-3 times.
Well, there probably ain't much situations where using the individual ships is preferred as compared to assembling them.
If one wants to use the greatest firepower on a Battle-class, you would want to keep your ships together so you can charge your Macross Cannon with all 6 reactors instead of using only 1.
The modularity of the component ships is probably to facilitate replacement.
Compare the Battle-class to the Macross-class, once the Macross Cannon of a Macross-class is heavily damaged, you have to repair like half the ship, while a Battle-class that lost their Macross Cannon would have just lost their gunship and just has to call for a replacement gunship.
I personally want to see a Battle-class made up entirely of component ships from Battle-classes of different fleets. It can be called Battle Chimera or something.
New Macross Class is actually 3-4 ships attached to each other. They are the City section, the Battle section, the gunship (battle section's 'gunpod'), and auxiliary ships used for farming, usually attached to the City section.
And if we were to arrange them in order, it goes like this.
>Battle-class with gunship docked on it
>Smaller colony ships behind
Wasn't the Frontier and Galaxy fleets special boosted variations of the New Macross Class? They are much larger and have more tagalong ships.
Macross 7 is from the first generation of New Macross Class ships that were built between 2030 to 2040. Frontier and Galaxy are 2nd generation NM class, which as you said has a larger city dome that allows attached auxillary ships.
Oh, I wouldn't want to see it separated or having to recombine every episode. One time in SEED Destiny was one time too many.
Just that I wouldn't mind an episode where enemy shenanigans lure out the series' Battle-class and capture it, and force the crew to separate its components after witnessing it self-purge a damaged ship prior. Next episode, a couple of VF-XXes waltz into base (plan to make use of giant uniforms of enemy Zentradi slaves optional, because there are -always- enemies with Zentradi proxies across the universe, even when it's an alternate timeline), cause a ruckus, boarding troopers free the crew, and they rush to the massive hangar, take back the component ships, and take the fight to the enemy complete with fucking with enemy coms by rigging up yet another idol stage on one of the ships.
Bonus points if they escape to space and recombine the ships using that modularity while the VFs run a defensive mission, so they can use the Macross Cannon/Daedalus Attack on the pursuing enemy fleet. I've never even seen art drafts of the separated ships and the basic schematics of their interiors, not even a pre-production sketch by Kawamori or the people who worked with him.
Come to think of it, M7 was perfect for this scenario.
The reason the gun is a separate unit from the rest of the ship is because of a little thing that you might remember from the original series.
You know how the SDF1 couldn't charge or fire the main cannon while using the pinpoint barrier system? They never quite figured that out, so they did the next best thing.
The cannon is basically a separate ship from the rest of the Battle class ship, and all of the charging equipment is on that. It draws power from the main ship to charge faster and for firing solution, but in a pinch it could function as a ship on its own, just a much worse one.
In return for externalizing this function, the Macross class ship can charge and use its main cannon while everything that ISNT the gun itself still gets pinpoint barrier protection. They cannot shield the gun during charging for the same reason as why they couldn't on the SDF1, but everything else that is important is much safer.
>In return for externalizing this function, the Macross class ship can charge and use its main cannon while everything that ISNT the gun itself still gets pinpoint barrier protection.
That's a pretty smart workaround for the problem, actually. And the cannon being a separate ship makes the repair/replacement of the cannon easier since you don't need to bring the whole 1.2km long ship into a dock but instead just bring the gunship.
Though, a ship that is entirely a gun is still pretty damn amusing. It's a cool idea though.
This is probably a really expensive idea in-universe since New Macross-class ships are expensive to build but I want to see a colonization fleet where the entire defense fleet is made up of the Gunships, ARMD-R/L and, BASTER-R/L ships and docked to the main habitat island is the main Battle carrier which do parts swaps with the fleet.
Along with moments when they strap 4 Macross Cannons to a single Battle carrier to destroy a planet Exterminatus-style or better yet, have an episode where the command section is out of commission so they jury-rig a bunch of the component ships together attached to a gunship to fire the Macross Cannon.
She wasn't trying to kill Isamu, she loved him. She was just playing his favorite game against him to give him a thrill. Watch it again, Sharon never actually kills anyone. Her producer commits suicide and Guld rams *himself* into the Ghost X-9 but Sharon never killed anyone. She threatened Myung, but then let her go. She started the fire to see which of her men would come to the rescue, but she opened the door to Myung's room as soon as she saw that Guld was hurting himself trying to knock the door in.
Sharon is LOVE.
No, people into this stuff at the same level do but because of the language barrier we only really get the surface level opinion which is people who don't even think about the shows they watch
I dunno, I would disagree with you on that. With a couple of exceptions (what ever happened to the supervision army?) Macross actually holds together pretty well. Everything happens for a reason, nothing is handwaved with magic, and the previous shows in the timeline don't just have a technological legacy that gets passed forward but a cultural one.
Barasa, as a character, literally only makes sense because of how space war one ended and the existence of Lynn Minmay. In any other setting he would just be a raving lunatic with a guitar, but in Macross its inevitable that someone like him would exist, to try what he tried.
Macross canon is loose.
There are set events, SDF crashes on Earth, Hikari Ichijo becomes an ace pilot, Max and Milia marry, humans with with the power of song.
Everything inbetween is filler.
The Macross is single most historically and symbolically important object in existance in the aftermath of the Space War.
Reconstruction efforts and refits are probably a major source of national pride and politically significant.
But honestly they just wanted to try drawing something different.
>It wasn't even a thing to them until we introduced it to them
>implying Japan thinks the Rape of Nanking is canon
>implying they aren't extreme canon fags to the point that they alter their textbooks the same way every other nation does
I think one of the best parts of Frontier was Leon's snide remark to President Glass: "Maybe we should make the Vajra listen to our song?", when they both know damn well that has worked for almost every single enemy mankind has had the misfortune of encountering. It was very tongue in cheek.
So, do you think the Macross's main cannon is operational in Plus? Would make sense for planetary defence since the Grand Cannons got fucked.
Would have been hilarious to see Guld and Isamu do their amazing dogfight just to get disintegrated halfway through.
I'm kinda pissed we never got to see Galaxy's fleet and only saw Battle Galaxy.
It would make a nice contrast to the miniature landscapes as seen in 7 and Frontier.
How does a colony ship that's nothing but heavy industries function, considering that previous colony ships placed a massive emphasis on quality of life for the colonists?
It would be interesting to see what the average citizen of Galaxy is like living in what essentially amounts to a much faster sleeper ship because from what little has been mentioned of it, Galaxy manufactures a lot of things - but recreation and QoL for its citizens are not part of them. Sheryl is remarked as one of the rare few Galaxy citizens that didn't accept cyborg parts; Galaxy doesn't sound like it needs a lot of entertainment options so either Sheryl is either a home brand name for what little media they have, or she's literally made with full intention for export (putting aside for the moment that she was also used as a tool for the Galaxy fleet cyber cabal).
>implying you can't tell the difference from the outside alone
>implying the interior isn't like the inside of a shitty office building, complete with buzzing, unnatural fluorescent lighting but with slums, poverty and an ever present smell of acrid smoke as an added touch
>implying all chemical plant colony ships aren't the same
>b-but muh cutting edge technology
I figured Galaxy was the only fleet that went full techno. I want to see the industrial hell hole Sheryl described. I imagine it being super cramped, but with all the heavy industries and factories, there must be some space.
I also wish we got to see the crew of the ship that was rescued. They were still people. It always boiled my piss that the only people from Galaxy that we got to see were Sheryl, Grace and Brera.
No one said anything about mitigation of squalor through "cutting-edge technology". We know it's squalor. You seem to be under the impression that we think the interior of Galaxy resembles a hospital ship. No.
Sheryl alluded to it being a slum in all but name as much. What is not known is how daily life is like in there and why the citizens can stand for it when life on basically every other Macross-type colonization vessel attempts to recreate a planetside environment at great expense. Seeing as the Galaxy fleet serves as the origin point for a lot of happenings to the Frontier fleet, it's stifling that we only ever saw the Frontier side of it.
>>13744835 gets it. You don't. Of course we know it's basically a giant factory ship. That doesn't help the storytelling any.
I tend to have that kind of frothing rage reaction to that style of post myself. Funny that I ended up posting that, huh?
Still, it makes sense that they fucked over their population to increase their production capacity. How else could they secretly design, develop and mass produce all those unmanned VF-27s and Ghost V-9s in such a short time?
>Seeing as the Galaxy fleet serves as the origin point for a lot of happenings to the Frontier fleet, it's stifling that we only ever saw the Frontier side of it.
Yeah, as the antagonists pulling the strings, it blows ass that all we got to see was one woman and hear a few voices. Just to make them a bit more tangible. I'd also like to have known if the general population was subjugated by force, indoctrination, etc.
An official guidebook entry would be enough, even.
>She wasn't trying to kill Isamu,
If she really loved him, she would be trying to kill him because he was looking for that boundary between life and death. Holding back wouldn't have brought him to that edge.
Well, Frontier mentions they're on the forefront of cyborgization period. That's about it. I imagine the fold from system to system and strip mine everything they can get their hands on with an army of robots to fuel their colossal production needs.
The Sheryl manga showed Galaxy's interior.
If I remember correctly, it just looks like your typical heavy industry city, with jerkasses with implants mocking the all-natural Sheryl in singing school.