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Well that was one hell of a ride. I'm surprised Demonbane

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Well that was one hell of a ride.

I'm surprised Demonbane doesn't get talked about more often, it's damn good stuff. So how about a Doctor West appreciation thread?
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>>13738359
I hope you're not referring to the shitastic anime. The light novel was pretty good though.
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>>13738908
>Light Novel
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Which grimoire would you read?

>>13738908
>LN
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>>13738359
>THIS IS A TEMPLE CUM ROOM
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Doctor Best.
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>>13739192
Book of Eibon-chan for me.
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>>13738359
Is there a functional torrent of the PS2 Voice patch to add more voiced dialogue to the VN?
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>>13739352
How much extra voiced dialogue is there in the PS2 version, anyway?
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There were tons of threads and plenty of discussion back when it first got released in English. Some cool people even translated the prequel novels as well. It's just at this point anyone who cares has already read and there's really not much to discuss unless Kishin Hishou gets released in English as well. Though it does still pop up in powerlevel threads of course.

Still hope it shows up in another SRW at some point.

>>13739458

Pretty much the entire game.
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>>13739458
All of the original H-VN minus H-scenes and some of the dialogue right up to the H-scenes, since those were removed from the PS2 version.

The H-VN itself has voiced H-scenes but unvoiced everything else, so the PS2 voice patch just adds the voices to everything else along with the voiced H-scenes. The patch IS missing voicing in the dialogue right before sex though, due to it not being voiced in the original hentai version and not being in the PS2 version.

The only site with the patch has it split into 4 slow old-fashioned download parts (non-MEGA filehosting). The original single file had been deleted off the filehosting site, with no update.
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>>13739209

Why didn't they just say with? I know they're trying to sound all sophisticated, but it really makes people think of something else.
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Where in his pants is Kurou hiding his cock? It doesn't seem possible.
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>>13739284
His Doctor lifestyle sure gives him some muscles
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/a/ was throwing a fit today about Demonbane accidentally ending its eternal fight with Azathoth and killing all possible and impossible realities in some material that got released recently.
Did this happen or was it just false rumors?
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>>13739702

I would imagine this,

http://pastebin.com/p5sfa4JP

>It turns out that Demonbane was supposed to keep fighting the outer gods for all eternity and thus keep the universe running, but it grew too powerful and became the "Vortex Destroyer", AKA Demonbane the Vortex Blaster, and used its "Ouroboros Blaster" to kill Azathoth which also destroyed the multiverse and all of causality, and all universes past present and future are now withering and dying.
Demonbane is one moment away from completely destroying everything, but Mugen = Yog Sothoth is making that moment stretch out for an eternity, and is putting together shards of destroyed worlds to make one last world where Azathoth can be reborn.
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Demonbane is strongest being in fiction.
He can oneshot every omnipotent combined.
Do you have refutation?
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>>13739649
It's all that shredding on the guitar.

>>13739634
Actually, the original version had voice outside the H scenes too, but only for portions of the VN, plus some characters simply weren't voiced at all even in otherwise voiced scenes.
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>>13739940
Basically most of the characters weren't voiced in the original LN. Namely all of the Anticross, Sandalphon, the maids of Hadou Zaibatsu, Ness and Stone, Cthugha and Ithaqua, and Nya.
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GREAT KNOTO PUNISHA SHOOTO
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>>13740031
>Sandalphon
>Nya
They were voiced.
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>>13739702
Demonbane blew up the GCverse, truly the hero we deserve.
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>>13739927
Can you tell me why and how?
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>>13738359
Now go read Kishin Hishou. ATLAS automatic translation only craps itself on atmosperic descriptions and Doctor West's monologues. The rest is mostly understandable. If you're using VNR I made some subs for the true ending and the Deus Machina summoning spells.
Also 100% of the dialogue is voiced, so it's even easier to understand.

>>13740369
He also destroyed Sonicoverse, which means Pochaco stopped existing. Maybe now /a/ will stop sperging about her in buyfg threads.
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>>13740759
What verse got destroyed?
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>>13740769
See? It worked since you clearly don't know what I'm talking about.
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>>13740759
You could try Visual Novel Reader.
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>>13740824
WTF are you talking about?
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>>13740883
The Nitro+ mascot character and her landwhale friends.
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>>13739647
He literally knows magic so how do you think he hides that huge thing.
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>>13739638
Entirely appropriate, considering the stuff Therion did with Etheldreda and Nya in there.

>>13738359
It had some good ideas, but the pacing was retarded as fuck, especially in the ending. It was like five whole chapters of nothing but one fight after another. And the hentai was godawful. And Leica's route really fucked up by destroying Demonbane, made the entire plot after that feel like a non sequitur to the point that I dropped it. Didn't care for any of the uninspired good endings either.

Great characters though. Doctor West and Winfield were total bros and all the villains felt unique despite there being so many of them. The Deus Machina designs are all pretty neat too, if a bit overdetailed. They kind of remind me of all the Zone of the Enders mechs, just on a larger scale and with bulkier proportions
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>>13741745
>Leica's route
Why would you ever expect the non-book routes to be coherent? If you fuck irrelevant characters, you get an irrelevant ending. That's just how shit works.
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>>13741745
>mfw that clown fucker gets to be raped by elder gods for all eternity
fuck yes
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>>13741745
>And the hentai was godawful
It made me laugh a few times. Might have been intentional, who knows.
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>>13741783
MASSIVE
WIZARD
DICK
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>>13741745
>They kind of remind me of all the Zone of the Enders mechs, just on a larger scale and with bulkier proportions
That's because they were designed by the same person.
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>>13739352
I got you, brother.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/5xxvcwavpy06rjv/voice.npa

>>13741745
My only problems with the pacing was just that it started too slow. It was a humorous and campy but slightly dull Page of the Week until a bit after the Dagon and Hyrda fight.

I loved how shit hit the fan after that. Even though the conflict with the Anticross only concerned (initially) Arkham, it was presented well enough for it to feel like a World War, with all the high-octane action that comes with it. Also, that final fight with Liber Legis was some grade A+ stuff.
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>>13741795
Yoji Shinkawa is not Niθ.
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>>13741841
>It was a humorous and campy but slightly dull Page of the Week until a bit after the Dagon and Hyrda fight.
Doesn't help that the Atlach-Nacha and Cthugha/Ithaqua chapters were just long porn sequences. As funny as Kurou going YOU DON'T RAPE ME, I RAPE YOU in the latter was, it hurts it quite a bit.
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>>13741846
Niθ designed the character not the mecha.
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>>13739647
He's using the sign of Koth. Same as for the Scimitar of Barzai.
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>>13741795
Nigger what.
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>>13741854
I really want a translation of the PS2 scenes. I mean, this version of the Cthugha/ Ithiqua encounter looks great. I know it was on Youtube, but I can't find it now.

>>13741891
https://vndb.org/v231

Yoji Shinkawa has nothing to do with Demonbane

Also, those little asides next to the designs? They're called the "Designer's Voice."
Can you guess who is being cited as the designer? Here's a hint: it's the one in the parenthesis.
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>>13741956
Ah, here they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpn3_BL_A0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtvxPgFlVmo
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>>13741956
Plus it's really blatant Niθ did the designs. That... let's say scaly (for lack of a better word) look to the mechs is pretty unmistakeable.
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>>13741966
I've always used "layered" as the word for his stuff.

I always thought he designed certain aspects of the Deus Machina to look like the pages of books because, you know, grimoires and all that.

Turns out that it's just his thing.
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>>13741966
Wish the bugger did more stuff.
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>>13741854
Well back in the day VNs wouldn't sell well unless they added some porn scenes in it no matter how pointless they were. A damn shame that Demonbane's popularity was eclipsed by Fate/Stay Night a year after its release and didn't last as long.
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>>13742021
And nowadays VNs don't sell unless they have a big name somehow involved with them.
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>>13742063
And they pretty much still require porn. VNs are the most shameless modern otaku baiting bullshit there is. It's no wonder that there are so few mecha VNs, this one being the only one I've read that's any good. I still need to read Gahkthun of the Golden Lightning but Muv Luv made me want to burn down the studio that was responsible for that trash.
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>>13742108
Gahkthun is pretty good. Not Sakurai's greatest work mind you, but still pretty good. The thing with Gahkthun was that Sakurai was aiming to streamline her writing for a wider audience, so it was ultimately somewhat of an experimental VN for her.

She's also Jin Haganeya.
Believe me.
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>>13742021
>>13742108
I don't care about the porn requirements but modern VN girls that aren't drawn by an "old guard industry member" never seem to be as attractive.
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>>13741745
Leica's route was so boring that I speed read it near the end. God, that sucked.

I did genuinely enjoy Al's route all the way through. It got tedious after I realized there were two more routes to go.
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>>13742499
I only really liked the final of that route.
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>>13742730
I couldn't stand that stupid fuck's voice after a while. I forgot his name, but he kept yelling obnoxiously after every other sentence. It ruined the fight for me.
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>>13742740
Anon doesn't like Hiyama
I don't like Anon
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>>13742834
No, his voice is good. It just was overused.
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>>13741841
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/5xxvcwavpy06rjv/voice.npa
Merci.
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>>13741745
>Entirely appropriate, considering the stuff Therion did with Etheldreda and Nya in there.

I don't know how Etheldreda was able to take that. It doesn't seem physical possible even for a book.
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>>13742908
It's fine. She can shapeshift.
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>>13741745
>And the hentai was godawful.
I disagree, I think monstercocks on lolis is the greatest.
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>>13742922
>monstercocks

Quite literally in Tiberius's case

>that thing was not a penis. It was a tool designed for murder
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>>13742922
Good man.
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>>13738359
Almost nobody here has watched or read Demonbane. It sounds cool as shit, but it's mostly just tertiaries arguing powerlevels.
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>>13743320
This is /m/, not /a/.

A decent amount of people here have read it.
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>>13743320

I read it back when it was released in english

I only read the Al route though
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>>13743368
You didn't miss much other than Ruri's normal ending, which had an... interesting way of explaining some of the backstory of the game.
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>>13740382
Because Demonbane is strongest in fiction.
He can oneshot TOAA.
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I think all of stories by Nitro plus happened in same multiverse aka Demonbane multiverse.
Nitro plus multiverse is Demonbane multiverse.
What do you think?
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>>13742021

If it makes you feel better, Demonbane did well enough at release that it pretty much saved Nitro+ from going out of business. They were in the toilet at the time and Demonbane's release was a big part of helping them get back on their feet.
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>>13742021
>Well back in the day VNs wouldn't sell well unless they added some porn scenes in it no matter how pointless they were.

Not true, the original Clannad was all ages and it sold fine. It was the sequel that gave the porn because they knew it's what everyone wanted.

Keep in mind though that what is selling well by VN/eroge standards is nowhere near what is good standards by the rest of the industry. Fate/Stay Night sold I think 23k copies and was considered to have done well. Sengoku Rance (which admittedly has 25 years of legacy behind the name) sold 66k copies and was the highest-selling game with porn for years.
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>>13743915
>Sengoku Rance (which admittedly has 25 years of legacy behind the name)
I think it actually holds the record for longest-running series to both have an ongoing continuity and always focus on the same characters. Rance's been raping his way for decades now.
And those aren't really VNs, now are they? Most are dungeon crawlers, Sengoku was strategy.

Also, I think the When They Cry series VNs tend to do pretty well with no porn or good art.
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>>13744137
>When they cry

That always confused me. Why bother reading a fucking VN when you could just watch the anime/read the manga? Did they botch something in the transition like what happened with Demonbane? I don't see why as that series has no choices, which takes away most of the point of it being a VN in the first place, but also makes it really easy to put the story in another format.

Either way, VNs are a terrible format in most cases.
>Take script of TV show
>Add narration here and there
>Have artist draw a few character stills and maybe one or two pretty scenes. Mostly, though, you need at least six porn CGs.
>Paste over generic backgrounds you found on wikimedia commons
>Find some public domain music and play it in the background
>Get your secretary to scream as if she's being raped in a recording booth, even if the story and sex scenes are entirely vanilla
>Or don't, no one cares about the voices in books, amirite?
>Distribute, and contribute to the further decline of the Japanese birthrate
>If it somehow becomes successful, make sure to get a deal with MangaGamer to localize it in the West, and market it to lonely weeaboos on J-list with the creepiest banner ads you can think of, blissfully unaware that most people will pirate it anyway.
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>>13744174
Nice opinion you have there.
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>>13744174
>Did they botch something in the transition like what happened with Demonbane?
Duh. Not only most if not all VN-to-anime do (the former are generally too damn long for anime format, they either have to cut a lot or just go through it at breakneck speed), but Higurashi and Umineko were pretty much DEEN's already lame production values at their worst.
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Nya was fucking hot
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>>13743915
>wanting porn of the inhuman monsters in Clannad
what is wrong with people?
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>>13743872
That would make some things very interesting
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http://pastebin.com/p5sfa4JP

>It turns out that Demonbane was supposed to keep fighting the outer gods for all eternity and thus keep the universe running, but it grew too powerful and became the "Vortex Destroyer", AKA Demonbane the Vortex Blaster, and used its "Ouroboros Blaster" to kill Azathoth which also destroyed the multiverse and all of causality, and all universes past present and future are now withering and dying. Demonbane is one moment away from completely destroying everything, but Mugen = Yog Sothoth is making that moment stretch out for an eternity, and is putting together shards of destroyed worlds to make one last world where Azathoth can be reborn.
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>>13743872
I don't like the idea of Phantom taking place in crazy lovecraftian world.
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>>13744219
Too bad that one and only H-Scene she has is pretty lackluster... for me anyway
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>>13744271
>>13744263
This was already confirmed by Nitro Blasters where all the characters are said to have been taken from worlds destroyed by Vortex Blaster.

Which means that the Type Moon, Arcana Heart and Titran Kagutits worlds were destroyed by Demonbane too.
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>>13744297
That's just a convenient excuse to get them all in the same game.
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>>13744304
Wrong.
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>>13744295
>one
I recall two.
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>>13744319
The other one was... with Master Therion, I guess? I found that pretty lackluster too.
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>>13743320
>Tertiaries.
The guy on Demonbane side who argues powerlevel usually already played the VN
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>>13744351
Nah. I can assure you they mostly just read that one copypasta and want to feel smart compared to guys who wank Accelerator or whoever's the flavor of the month.
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>>13744358
Teertiary people won't care much about Demonbane. The old discussion of powerlevel thread were filled with tertiary who didn't like how Demonbane beat their favourite characters and resort to wank OPM and Featherine.
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>>13743320
Base Demonbane in the VN isn't even that powerful compared to other supers
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>>13744676
>>13744358
>>13743320
>base demonbane
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http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/egd-vs-thought-robot-and-classic-molecule-man-1483868/?page=3
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Demonbane is a shit game because Demonbane is overpowered and stomps all the enemies easily and kills nyarlathotep a jillion gajillion times by glaring at him, OPM on the other hand is original and funny and infinitely better so OPM wins.
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I’d say Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann and above can beat Demonbane. It casually moving into the planet while turned off was enough for it to destroy the earth. Much less once it’s Spiral powered, with the ability to manipulate probability and stuff. Also Goku could take it if he’s smart and stays away while spamming planet busters. Hacks aside, Demonbane doesn’t have much in terms of physical stats.
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>>13744739
>>13744744
Nice shitpost nigga
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>>13744676
Even if you're talking about Demonbane at the start of the story, before Al started recovering her pages, it was already pretty high power. It could pull some crazy bullshit just with its built-in features. The space-time shenanigans and Lemuria Impact alone are at least on par with moderately high-tier supers like Shin Getter, possibly higher.
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>>13744744
War God Demonbane destroyed the UNIVERSE just by existing.
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>>13744828
A kill punch finisher move is low on the power totem pole, no matter how many laws of thermodynamics it violates in the process.

It's just another heroic superman giant robot at the beginning, no more no less.
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>>13744916
It could be as strong as Shin Getter, at least, depending on which one we're talking about.
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>>13744926
Demonbane, without elder godhood or Al's various powerups, is actually kinda crap, for a simple reason. Mobility problems. It can go fast in a straight line, and jump good. But it can't fly, and has no ranged weapons whatsoever (okay, it has head vulcans but when have those ever been effective in all of mecha history). That's not good. Nailing a giant larva thing like Dagon with a dropkick is a thing, but Shin Getter? That's never going to work out.
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>>13744137
>And those aren't really VNs, now are they?

No which is why i said VNs and eroge, because they both sell around the same numbers usually.
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>>13744946
>Mobility problems.
Not really. It's true that it can't fly, but it's hardly limited to a straight line. The shinguards take care of most of its mobility issues, so as long as its target is within jumping distance, it performs just fine.
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>>13744174
I think Yosuga no Sora worked out pretty well as an anime. It was condensed well and when each girl's story was done, it had a way of transitioning into the next girl's story via story manipulation (except from Nao to Sora)
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>>13744174
For the longest time VN adaptation tended to automatically imply shit show don't bother watching.
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>>13744968

Yeah, like that anime that to this day fans refuse to acknowledge existed
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>>13744137
>And those aren't really VNs, now are they?
Oh that confusion is just from how the English-speaking community is fucking retarded and VN is a bullshit term made up and pushed by fucktard fan translators who wanted to stroke their egos.
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>>13745142

I said the distinction of it being an eroge and not a VN at the start.
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>>13744174
>That always confused me. Why bother reading a fucking VN when you could just watch the anime/read the manga?
THIS
Why would you EVER read a shitty book if you can just watch a movie? Lord of the Rings? Watch the movie. Dune? Watch the movie. I Am Legend? Watch the movie.

Also, the no Naku Koro ni anime were all made during DEEN's notorious "dark period," where basically every single anime they put out was so exceptionally awful that they go around again and become good, in an awful kind of way. Imagine if every year, there was another The Room that was worse than the one before it.
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>>13745169
You don't exactly have the best examples there bruv
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>>13745175
>Lord of New Zealand
>I Am Legend
>good
Someone's never read the books.
Dune would have been really good if someone was there to set Lynch straight.
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>>13745179
Lynch Lynching it up was the best part though.
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>>13745175

Pretty sure he's being facetious
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>>13745179
As long as no-one's implying that movie/anime/whatever adaptation is always better than the source, then it doesn't really matter
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>>13745169
The difference being that actual books tend to have much more narration (especially in third person) and that VNs tend to be bottom of the barrel entertainment to start with. If you think someone like Kira is an insufferable protagonist, imagine being stuck in his head and dealing with his thoughts for an entire novel. VNs are, with few exceptions (such as Demonbane), an entire medium of nothing but that.
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>>13745337
>Implying the bottom of the barrel isn't LNs and LN adaptations
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>>13745337
>If you think someone like Kira is an insufferable protagonist, imagine being stuck in his head and dealing with his thoughts for an entire novel.
Wrong you monster faggot, that's how you salvage Kira as a character. In the entire existence of anime as a medium, there has never been a single anime that didn't Jesus Yamato the shit out of a VN's characters. Pic related is a fantastic example of how you go from psychopath to gary stu moralfag without skipping a beat, and it's happened at least fucking twice in the same series.
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>>13745528
What about S;G
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>>13745534
Steins;Gate didn't have character development to cut.
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>>13745528
>Pic related is a fantastic example of how you go from psychopath to gary stu moralfag without skipping a beat
It's also a terrible example of your average VN protagonist. Most of them are designed to be as utterly blank and self-insert as possible, which makes them much more gary stu than Shirou could ever be given the kind of shit that usually happens to them. It also makes the few times that these characters are actually given some measure of characterization frustrating because it always makes these characters even worse. They're almost always either whiny, spineless cucks or complete assholes. This extends to female protagonists as well. Almost every otome game ever released has the former.
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>>13744916
>A kill punch finisher move is low on the power totem pole

Lemuria Impact is utilizes the heat and pressure from infinite universes to do what it does.
That alone is wrecking most shit on the upper end of that totem pole. The only problem is that early and mid Demonbane doesn't have the performance capabilities to stay within the same league as its Shining Finger.

>>13745158
Yet you still referred to Higurashi as VNs. While >>13745142 is partially correct in that what we in the West call a VN is not what they are called in Japan. And, no, eroge is not the catchall term, either.
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>>13745632
> Almost every otome game ever released has the former.

I'm not surprised, seeing that a popular service in Japan involves hiring a beautiful man to wipe the tears from your eyes.
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>>13745700
The fluff doesn't make a finishing punch any stronger.

Finishing punch is finishing punch, it gets trumped universally by gadget based finishers. This is the strict rule of mecha matchup.
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>>13745802
You're right anon, your rules and heavy reliance on cliches surpasses logical conclusions based upon the mechanics involved.
Also, Naruto could beat Getter Saint Dragon because Getter Saint Dragon is an antagonist and Naruto is an MC, and would thus win based upon the predisposed rule within the Hypothetical Combatant Rule Book, Subsection 23.
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>>13745802
>The fluff doesn't make a finishing punch any stronger.


Accept it does.
It quite literally does, unless you think a Scopedog's punch mechanism is on par with a Shining Finger.
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>>13745863
>any sort of melee = finishing punch

>>13745848
>using mecha rules on flesh bags
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I hope this gets translated someday.
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>>13745973
>good things
>happening
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>>13745848
>Also, Naruto could beat Getter Saint Dragon because Getter Saint Dragon is an antagonist and Naruto is an MC, and would thus win based upon the predisposed rule within the Hypothetical Combatant Rule Book, Subsection 23.

He only wins if he rolls higher than a fifteen.
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>>13745995
Yeah but his BELIEVE IT modifier lets him take 2 rolls and either choose one of them or the average of their totals rounded down as his roll.
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>>13745700
>Yet you still referred to Higurashi as VNs

No I didn't. I've never even mentioned Higurashi in my posts.
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>>13745973
Jast would have to not be a shit.
And their next Nitro+ title to release is either Django or Vjedogonia. Can't recall, but that doesn't matter because both are pretty shit.
Then there's still Muramasa, which they'll probably do first seeing as the common route was already translated by their staff.

>>13746005
Anon was probably referring to the Naku Koro Ni series as a whole, in which case, he's right, which Higurashi is a part of.
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>>13744263
Shouldn't we all be fucked then?
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>>13746070
>Anon was probably referring to the Naku Koro Ni series as a whole, in which case, he's right, which Higurashi is a part of.

Which I've never mentioned once. My only posts are

>>13743915
>>13744959
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>jast usa
>releasing things ever

It took them over 5 years just to release Demonbane and some of the other stuff they have has been in editing hell longer than that.

Jast USA getting their hands on something is not a desired outcome at all.
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>>13746106
Nah, I'm sure it's N+'s problem. They're the creators of all this wacky bullshit anyway.
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>>13746290
This is true, but on the other hand, it's still better than the game in question receiving no attention whatsoever.

Believe me, I've been waiting for them to finish this game https://vndb.org/v1491 for years on end. I know what it's like.
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How is that Tesla VN connected to Demonbane?
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>>13746549

>https://vndb.org/v1491

This is exactly the shit I was talking about. There have been like zero updates since they mentioned they were translating it and it's been at least 2 years now.
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>>13746649
The devlog says the translation's at 83% as of Dec 3. Honestly, that's probably about the pace of a fantl group, but on the other hand, since this is an official localization, I can at least be relatively sure that they don't have a person that doesn't know Japanese or English translating the damn thing. Still far less progress than they should have made, but again, better than nothing.
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>>13746579
Written by Hagenaya's female alter ego apparently
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>>13746579
There isn't, I don't think. I recall some Japanese fans mentioning Sakurai references in DYN Freaks, but I can't identify them.

I wouldn't be surprised, though. The writers are BFFs.
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>>13745771
>https://archive.is/Mf5J9
Christ almighty
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http://gameidealist.com/news/english-translated-screenshots-revealed-for-nitroplus-blasterz-heroines-infinite-duel/
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There is homage to Steam punk series written by Hikaru sakurai in D.Y.N Freaks.
And it is implied some of characters who appeared in d.y.n are appeasently characters who appeared in Steam punk series spin off written by Haganeya.
But, it is so called star system. There is no official line between Demonbane and Steam punk.
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Why almost every /a/ who wank Demonbane's power level don't read or play even Zanma Taisei?
They wank almighty Demonbane who don't even exist.
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>>13747730
Few do, and they do so because Elder God Demonbane is enough to trump almost any fictional character if the prequel novels are to be believed. It's a nice way to attempt to put an end to powerlevel autism
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>>13748007
>It's a nice way to attempt to put an end to powerlevel autism
Oh I'm laffin
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>>13740369
WHY DON'T WE JUST REBUILD GUILTY CROWN

AND HAVE HAGANEYA WRITE EVERYTHING

JUST NITRO+ MY VOID UP
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>>13748211
I didn't say that it did. I just said that it's a useful thing to try. I've seen at least one or two powerlevel threads killed before they begin because someone mentions Demonbane
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>>13748431
Demonbane only fuels powerlevel threads because it's theoretically beatable. It's the same shit as Goku or Shiki. It's not like Saitama, King Crimson or Powerman where you can say "lol it just works"
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>>13748481
Saitama is still vulnerable to anything that isn't blunt force, a bullet or psychic, and he can still probably be telefragged.
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>>13748492
>Saitama is still vulnerable to anything that isn't blunt force, a bullet or psychic,
You can break his heart, but you can't kill him.
>and he can still probably be telefragged.
He's just as invulnerable from a distance as he is from up close
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>>13748481
>Theoretically
Not really. I've seen a chart someone made somewhere about how Demonbane literally cannot be beaten that went something like this

>Is the character Elder God Demonbane fighting evil?
>If so, it will win, because Elder God Demonbane is the personification of the concept that good will triumph over evil and thus cannot lose to anything evil.

>Is your character good, neutral, or some indeterminate alignment?
>Elder God Demonbane still wins because lol, Athleta Aeternum. It will find a Demonbane from an alternate universe specifically made to counter your character and sic it on you and thus you cannot win no matter what you do.
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>>13748981
Shin Getter can merge with literally everything and has absorbed at least one nuclear warhead like it was no big deal. It could also commandeer matter and make itself larger, devouring planets and eventually the whole universe.
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>>13749027
Demonbane would not even have to go Elder God to beat Shin Getter. It could just seal it in an alternate dimension with the Shining Trapezohedron. Hell, if Shin Getter isn't in it's awakened, world eating mode, Demonbane could probably take it out with the Lemuria Impact so long as it's able to dodge Stoner Sunshine. Which it should be able to given the Mirror of Nitocris screwing with Shin Getter's perception.
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>>13749062
Shin Getter's too fast. Demonbane is slow and awkward. Plus, Shin Getter still has Getter Beam
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>>13749074
>Slow and awkward
>Can literally kick stuff from the future
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>>13749084
I see what you mean, but that's not necessarily speed related
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>>13749027
No Limits Fallacy.

>>13749074
Literally moves at faster than light speeds and defies inertia in the final.
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>>13749074
>Shin Getter's too fast
Two words: Atlach Nacha.
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Bagels
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>>13749196
You crossed the line now, anon.
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>>13749209
bagel bites
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>>13748007
What matters is that Demonbane is not so strong as people think.
It is like Onepunman wank.
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>>13749723
I think it may be as strong as people think. I'd need to read those prequel novels to be sure though, and I refuse to do so until they're translated by someone who doesn't have both English and Japanese as second languages.
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If you have truly played VN, Why don't
you deny idiots in /a/ who have not even played VN and spread terrible lie about power level shit.
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>>13752153
That would literally do nothing to stop them.

Most powerlevel bullshit - in most fiction not just Demonbane - comes from the ridiculous reaching and assumptions on what is already known, like that whole Aleph bullshit people pulled not too long ago.
It's mostly founded in fact, but interpreted in such an obtuse and convoluted way that convincing idiots otherwise is nigh impossible.
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>>13752176
This is all very true. It's like whenever I see Emperor really high on power level lists and wonder to what extent the person had to argue to get it that high. I say this as a fan of Getter, I just find it odd.
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>>13738359
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>>13749074
>Shin Getter's too fast
>Can't even dodge it's own Stoner Sunshine

Also Demonbane is not necessarily 2FAST2FURIOUS but it has tricks to counter fast moving enemies like Atlach=Nacha, Mirror of Nitocris or it can even use the goddamn De Marigny's Clock.
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>>13749074
Demonbane was exchanging billions of attacks in the final fight with Liber Legis.

That's way faster than what Shin Getter has shown.
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>>13738359

The Demonbane TV show was a real shocker. It was good. It was REALLY good.
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>>13752703
Tell me more about the alternate universe you come from and the Demonbane adaptation it has.
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>>13752153
>>13747723
日本の恥。

さっさと消えろ。
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What's the one VN where all the bad guys are cyborg monsters named after US presidents and they rape the world to death?

I need it for, uh, research purposes....
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>>13757801
Daiteikoku, but they're not really the main villains of it - they're just one of the two path branches that the "America plotline" can take - the other is Not!Roosevelt going bonkers and commandeering a Death Star.

Though they have their own alternative gameplay mode which is basically where they put in all the dark fetish stuff.
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>>13757169
What are you saying?
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Did you already read Kishin hishou and D.Y.N Freaks?
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>>13752176
This is very true.
And this is why every power level shit including Demonbane are huge bullshit.
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>>13738359
>loli in booty shorts and some pube-shaving edgelord in a longcoat

I'm going to need a little more to be convinced into watching this. Especially since that dude showing borderline dick cleavage.
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Do you know japanese hentai made even al azif big boob.
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Sorry, i forgot posting.
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>>13758531
>Watching
>Demonbane
That's not how it works you dolt
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>>13758531
>not enjoying booty shorts on lolis
Where do you think you are?
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>>13758591
When did Al Azif become so fat?
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How was the nun's route? The game just glitched on me when I tried to take her route. Does it have any important information like in Ruri's?
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>>13758591
>adult Al
DELETE THIS
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>>13759028
Leica was like the most redundant route in the VN
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>>13757906

Ok then. Thanks man.

I just vaguely remember some guys talking about it in a thread with some screens a cpl years ago and always wanted to, uh, research it....
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In fact, I may like Laica route more than Al route.
It may be most nitro plus like route in Demonbane.
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>>13758656
>>13759033
>enjoying lolis
End yourselves
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>>13759028

While both Al and Ruri's route involve explaining events of the main story, Leica's route differs a lot from them and one could say it ditches the main plot in favor of explaining the project that spawned Sandalphon and Metatron. Another silly plus is that they ride a wicked motorcycle in that route.

Despite that, I found it decent.
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>>13748500
Just put him up to the sun or Giorno Giovanna. Any high tier reality bender can beat Saitama
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>>13749723
Demonbane is a no limit omnipotent fallacy character. Your opinion belies your understanding of Demonbane.
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>>13759647
Leica's route explains the Moonchild Project and certain specifics about the Timeloop.

See, the Moonchild Project had two goals: create a new assortment of weapons to surpass Dr. West's Destroyer Robots and to develop the C Priestess, who would act as Master Therion's mother upon his rebirth.
The prerequisits for being the C Priestess are: being female (to give birth) and having a strong emotional connection to the God.
Leica met these requirements and was even planned to be the C Priestess; however, she deserted the Black Lodge before she could be used. Due to that, the next Moonchild was the Tyrant - designed specifically to not become a hero like Metatron did.
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>>13759911
The ending of Zanma Taisei disproves your statement.
Narration confirmed Elder God is not omnipotent god as people thought.
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>>13760559
BTW, it is implied that last number of moon child Vespasianus created is in fact Masther Therion.
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>>13761589
Only the 10th and final Moonchild, which was the end result both Vespasianus and the Black Lodge sought.

For the Black Lodge, they searched after the C Priestess to control Big C upon his summoning. Vespasianus however only joined the Black Lodge and headed the project so that he could utilize the project to summon the "ultimate being" spoken of within the Book of Eibon.

Which turned out to be an embryonic Master Therion, or yet another catalyst for Master Therion's revival. Etheldreda refers to the 10th Moonchild as the Y Priestess, so it could very well just be a vessel for Master Therion.
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>>13760559
>who would act as Master Therion's mother upon his rebirth.
But could she have been like a mother to him?
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>>13761729
It is implied in Laica route that the fetus Vespasianus tried to impregnate with Laica is in fact Masther Therion.
The fetus = Master therion in a sense seems to be last number of moon child created after Ennea aka Nero.
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>>13762287
>It is implied in Laica route that the fetus Vespasianus tried to impregnate with Laica is in fact Masther Therion.

I never denied that.
I however did point out that Etheldreda refers to it as the Y Priestess, implying that there is the possibility that this isn't Master Therion but rather a means to his rebirth.
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>>13759009
Low test
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>>13747730
The Demonbane there is no different to the other Demonbane to the franchise; with the exception of the one and only THE Demonbane (as in the ElderGod Demonbane).

THE Demonbane is the literally Love and Justice; Concept made flesh. Nothing can defeat it because nothing can defeat those concept. It exist to gave power to those who needs it and it sees favorable to it's concept, especially when those were against the ones who defy those concept.

It's ally to love, nightmare to hate.
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>>13740769
ALL OF THEM: IT KILLED THE ALMIGHTY IDIOT GOD!!!

or as >>13739742 stated, the entirety of existence is withering away.
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>>13752941

You, anon, are a very silly goose.
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>>13762646
It's the only way I know to get girls to acknowledge me.
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>>13758591
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>>13762575
This is why Demonbane wank spread.
Have you placeyed actual series?
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>>13762851
Misstype.
Have you played actual series?
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It was confirmed in Al end(elder god route) that elder god is in fact weak god in compared to great old one.
No one i has met in 4chan has not referd to it though.
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Misstype again.
Why today, do I misstype again and again?
Coldness paralyzed my nerve cell?
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>>13740369
It destroyed the Almighty Idiot God.

It fucked up all of existence and now they're fixing the mess that it made.
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>>13744304
Pretty much;

Demonbane fucked up and Accidentally killed the Dreamer of Existence. Yog Sothoth have to use the fragments of destroyed universe to created a patchwork of existence so that the Almighty Idiot can be brought back and reverse the damage Demonbane caused.
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>>13743872
Isn't Demonbane tied to all of existence?

Hell, what goes on in Nitro+ Blasters happened in the past, way before the current Demonbane shenanigans. So we can all agreed that Demonbane killed Azathoth, Yog Sothoth brought it back, and Demonbane, who learned from that fuck up, Sealed the Almighty Idiot into its blade.
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>>13762874
....IT KILLED THE ALMIGHTY IDIOT
>>13744270 states that it killed the Blind Idiot God, and therefore nearly destroyed all of existence.
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>>13762951
It is Voltex Blaster.
Not Elder God Demonbane.
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>>13762874
A lot of people get that ending sequence confused.

The segment of Demonbane arriving on a war torn Earth and fighting the Great Old Ones to its last breath was not the same scene as the Elder Gods arriving in Nyarlathotep's new universe.
The segment you are referring to was Nero's Rhapsody.
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>>13762935
>Hell, what goes on in Nitro+ Blasters happened in the past

The framework for this was from the scrapped, direct sequel to Demonbane.

Ignoring the fact that Kishin Houko and Kishin Hishou had already transpired in Blasters.
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>>13763012
Nero's rhapsody presages how EGD sealed evil gods.
So, How EGD sealed evil gods tells about after EGD confronted Nya in Al ending.
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>>13762935
>Hell, what goes on in Nitro+ Blasters happened in the past, way before the current Demonbane shenanigans
Why are you making this retarded shit up? Another Blood appears in it and openly refers to the events of Kishin Hishou.
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>>13762851
>>13762859
>>13762874
日本の恥
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>>13763044
Kishin Hishou needs a translation so bad even if only for Another Blood.
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>>13763044
The timeline, to clarify:

Prequel novels by Haganeya (Except Gunshin Kyoushu which is a parallel world erased by Nyarlathotep)
v
Zanma Taisei/Kishin Houkou
v
Kishin Hishou
v
Some of the events of the Project D2 proposal (see the pastebin; Vortex Blaster kills Azathoth and destroys all of creation)
v
Nitroplus Blasterz (Yog-Sothoth/Mugen gathers shards of worlds to make a fake world in which she can gather the materials she needs to make a world-egg to rebirth Azathoth_
v
Some events of DYN Memo (the world-egg is an infinitely looping world like Zanma Taisei's, events of previous failed attempts are mentioned)
v
DYN Freaks (first succesful attempt; the story of Azana Hatsumi/Azathoth's rebirth and reawakening, ends with a cliffhanger, of Vortex Blaster finally breaking into the world-egg)
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>>13763032
But it wasn't. It was a hypothetical fairy tale detailing how good triumphed over impossible odds by sheer force of will. It was designed to parallel the conflicts Demonbane and the cast went through from the beginning to the end of the story.
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>I think all of stories by Nitro plus happened in same multiverse aka Demonbane multiverse.
>Nitro plus multiverse is Demonbane multiverse.
>What do you think?
One could say that ALL multiverses are Demonbane universe and that Nitro+ Blaster is just another Demonbane story.
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Also, is Nitro+ Blasterz is canon to Demonbane?

I know that Demonbane's omniversial lore is convenient enough to bring hold a VN x battle, but why have Demonbane nearly kill off all of existance?
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>>13758487
>>13752197
>>13752176
>>13752153
Which is why One Punch Man was created.
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>>13763144
>Also, is Nitro+ Blasterz is canon to Demonbane?

It's canon to DYN Freaks, which is canon to Demonbane, so yes.
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>>13763158
Also, I heard it took place sometime between the original VN and DYN Freaks.
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>>13763169
Takes place after Kishin Hishou, but before DYN Freaks.
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>>13759465

If you don't like lolis, Demonbane is the wrong fucking VN for you.
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>>13763169
>>13763144
Are you retarded?

>>13763083
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So let me get this straight:

DYN Freaks is about the creation of a new existence, after the destruction of the original.

All of the existence that took place before is no more.

ALL FRANCHISE UNIVERSES, DEMONBANE OR NOT, IS PART OF DEMONBANE'S ONIVERSE, ESPECIALLY SINCE ALL OF EXISTENCE WAS PART OF OLD/NEW AZATHOTH'S.
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>>13763216
Only continuities involved are the ones involved in Blasters.
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>>13763216
>>13763221
I should remind you that this little info sparked this huge debate: >>>/a/135977828

TLDR: the moment you mention demonbane, all the omniversal powerlevel fags come out of the woodworks and derail this thread to who's/what's the most dangerous threat to existence.
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>>13763094
Ennea talked about how fairy tale began and how it will end.
The true ending of Al route showed how myth as EGD began. It is only beginning of myth. not ending of myth. Kurou and Al will fight through infinite eon from that scene.
And,it is implied in Kishin Hishou that Kuzaku was born after Al route true ending.
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>>13763242
I think many of people in this thread are anon from /a/ who have not played actual series or Blaster.
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>>13763291
>implied in Kishin Hishou that Kuzaku was born after Al route true ending.

There was an implication, it was outright stated as such.
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>>13763299
This is most correct.
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>>13763299
I spent the better part of twenty minutes writing this so read it you fuckers
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>>13763306
Is that you, TE Spoiler Guy?
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>>13763299
fucking typos
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>>13762575

>Butchering the English language this well

Impressive.

Most impressive.
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>>13763302
Yeah, it is almost confirmed in actual story in Kishin Hishou.
So, at least, in Al route true ending, Al and Kurou are on the way of infinite struggle against evil gods.
It confirms that EGD at that time is only ant in compared to evil gods.
And, there is no setting or statement that EGD become stronger than every evil gods.
It is Voltex Destroyer who become more powerful than all evil gods.
There is no fact that EGD is above Voltex Destroyer.
If EGD is stronger than Voltex Destroyer, EGD could stop Voltex Destroyer destroying everything in entire Demonbane verse
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>>13763508

>>13763050
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>>13763050
If i am shame of japan, why don't you who may be japanese stop that terrible lie spreads all over the internet?
Never stopping terrible lie is shame of japan,isn't it?
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>>13763517
I only told about right setting.
why shame of japan?
if you insist i am liar, please prove it with official statement.
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>>13763522
お前、前のスレにいた低脳だろう。その英語の言葉遣いが独特すぎてすぐに特定できる。前にも言ったが、小学校レベルから勉強しなおしてから来てくれ。そもそもお前は破綻した特論を繰り広げ、他人から指摘された論理や常識を一切無視し、騒ぐだけの、見世物小屋の猿のよう。英語力も明らかに、圧倒的に、足りていない。お前のレスの大半は英語的に完全に意味不明だし、相手の言葉を充分に理解しているとも思えない。日本の恥だ。頼むからもう黙って消えろ。
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>>13763532
議論を交わそうとする前に英語力をなんとかしろと言っている、低脳が。お前が相手にされてないのは誰もお前の障害者の垂らしている意味不明な妄言のようなレスを解読できてないからだ。

英語ができないなら英語の掲示板に来るな。
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>>13763414
>Demonpain: "Got into SRW while Metatron didn't"
Well, it's not like you get to use it - Dr West is stuck in Destroyer Robot as his player character unit
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>>13763414
How about Demonbane CLOCKWORK Blood?
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>>13763593
It's a Volks toy. That's it.
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>>13763593
Outer God Demonbane or Demonbane controlled by Nyarlathotep perhaps?
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>>13763538
Are you crazy?
If you know setting about Demonbane series, why don't you refer to it?
What you are doing is nothing but a personal bash.
You are shame of japan.
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>>13763669
It is only original figure.
http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/news/2010/01/100127_1229.php
It didn't appear in Kishin Hishou.
But, it is confirmed in Kishin Hishou that Demonbane two sword is in fact avatar of Nyalrathotep.
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Demonbane two sword is piloted by Kuzaku Daijuji who is son of Kurou and Al.
Nyalrathotep replaced original Demonbane with Demonbane two sword which is avatar of Nyalrathotep when kuzaku and Dunsany were sent to Arkham city by his parent.
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>>13763669
Demonbane Clock Work Blood is original figure drawn from the fact Demonbane two sword is in fact avatar of Nyalrathotep.
Do you want spoiler about that scene?
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>>13763847
Post it nip.
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If Mugen is Yog-Sothoth does that mean she raped Nero and is Master Therion's father?
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>>13763847
>>13763760
ナマポでネットやってないでさっさと自殺しろクズが
>>13763538
>>13763546
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>>13765300
Nero was implanted with an embryo.

No rape involved.
At least, from the Yog-Sothoth party.
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>>13765305
Personal bash?
It was proven that you are shame of japan.
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>>13765300
She is avatar of Yog-sothoth.
Yog-sothoth itself is genderless.
For example, Whateley brothers are sons between human and Yog-sothoth,
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>>13765315
>>13766006
>>13766010
Are you retarded?
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>>13767549
Not a day goes by where I don't ask myself this very question.
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How big is the MC's dick? That's a dealbreaker for me
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>>13767579
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>>13767579
Imagine Dwayne Johnson's fully extended arm.

Now multiply that by two and give it some wiener cosplay.
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>>13767579
Dai Guard's pile bunker in dick form
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>>13763323
>>13763414
Is EGD stronger than Demonbane Vortex Blaster?
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>>13769044
The question should be whether or not EG and VB were the same Demonbane.
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>>13772315
It doesn't matter. There are infinite universes and thus infinite Demonbanes.

>Somewhere out there, Tekkaman Demonbane is killing all the Radam before they ever reach Earth
>Demonbane Evangelion seals all the Angels in another dimension
>Buster machine Demonbane goes back in time and prevents the space monsters from ever finding Earth
>Everything is gonna happy, God's in his heaven, all's right with the world.
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>>13772315
No. VB is a regular vanilla Demonbane piloted solely by Kurou after he lost Al.
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>>13772315
>>13769044

I imagine it's like having a cancer cell that you couldn't directly stop anymore until it's too late. It's doing all the things a Demonbane should do(smiting evil gods in righteous anger, with extra emphasis on -anger-) but then everything went wrong in the process and it went several steps too far.
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https://desustorage.org/m/thread/13738359/#13773555_1
>this retarded chucklefuck commenting on the archives who thinks he knows Demonbane better than Haganeya
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>>13773555
I don't want to read that new image guide because I don't want to be spoilered. What happened with EGD when Demonbane VB destroyed Azathoth?
I know that EGD itself has become a seperate entities unaffected with Azathoth's dream but shouldn't he stopped Demonbane VB to stop Demonbaneverse from imploding?
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>>13774090
Nothing has been said in relation to the Elder God's relationship with Vortex Blaster.
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>>13774090
The elder gods have been missing in general since the end of Zanma Taisei, the entire point of Kuzaku's character in Kishin Hishou is that he's mad that his parents abandoned him (but they stopped by for a bit at the end of that so they're still around, just apparently refusing to intervene unless absolutely necessary).

Yeah, apparently Vortex Blaster doesn't count as necessary to them.
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>>13774308
>apparently Vortex Blaster doesn't count as necessary to them.

Mugen had it covered.
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If all demonbanes are incarnations of justice itself, why would vortex blaster accidentally the universe?
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>>13774637
Without restraint, extreme good is no better than evil.
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>>13774108
Nothing yet....

Either that, or EGD have nothing to do with anything besides telling Nyarlathotep to fuck off.
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>>13774308
Do we have the name and number list of currently available elder gods?
Are they equal of strength or not?
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Okay, I figured out this whole Lovecraftian nonsense thanks to a simple Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos_deities#Elder_Gods

>In post-Lovecraft stories, the Elder Gods oppose the Outer Gods and the Great Old Ones. Derleth attempted to retroactively group the benevolent deity Nodens in this category (who acts as deus ex machina for the protagonists in both The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath and "The Strange High House in the Mist").

In short EG > OG, therefore EGD > BIGA.

As for why didn’t EGD didn’t do shit about the death of BIGA; probably like most Elder Gods, it viewed it as an annoying prick.
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>>13774308
In Kishin Hishou's epilogue, after the credits, Kuzaku & Blood do meet up with their real parents.
Vid's up on either nico or the tube.
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>>13775484
no shit sherlock
>>13774308
>they stopped by for a bit at the end

They literally appear, beat the shit out of Nyarlathotep, swap two lines with the kids, and then run off again.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzGX9qwaRHg
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>>13775586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWLZyy5UYA
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>>13775394
I don't understand it a bit. How does oppose mean that EG is stronger than OG and BIGA?
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>>13778159
OG: Outer Gods
ED: Elder Gods
BIGA: Blind Idiot God, Azathoth.
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>>13778159
They're the ones who banished Azathoth in the first place.
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ANYONE HAVE THE SOUNDTRACKS? ITS SO FRUSTRATINGLY HARD TO FIND THE THINGS AFTER I LOST MY HD
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>>13741966
There is also the face with clear visors/masks on all his mechanical designs, I have no clue how anyone would mix his designs
pic related to that I guess
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>>13744715
The base he is talking about is the one at the start and most of the story not the one with all the pages and power ups
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>>13778354
pls
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>>13778354
>>13778420
fuck off and die shitposter
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>>13778430
Did you have a stroke?
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>>13739209

What is exactly a temple cum room? What does cum means in the contest of that situation?
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>>13778823
http://grammarist.com/usage/cum/
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>>13778446
Yes, he is a shitposter in /m/ who didn't like that his favourite character lost against Demonbane. In other world, an underage.
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>>13778354
Here you go.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/xjtuask139n586h/Deus_Machina_Demonbane_Original_Soundtrack_%282CD%29.zip
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Is EGD is Noden?

If not, can Noden kick its ass?
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>>13780639
>Nodens is one of the Elder Gods
>He prefers to hunt the servants of the Great Old Ones or Nyarlathotep because they are usually the most intelligent and offer the best sport, but not necessarily because he wants to help humans being attacked by them.
They are the same class and we do not know if a fight between elder gods will ever happen.
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>>13746579
There's a couple lovecraft references. No real connection unless it's some subtle nod to something in Kishin Hishou.
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