Muv-Luv

>>13661788
I want to protect that smile.

When's this shit airing anyway?

>>13661795
I thought she admitted that halfway through chapter 3. Volume 1 ends with burning her picture of her dad

>>13661824
Jan 10th

>>13661836
high test!
HIGH TEST!

>>13661593
Let's all just take a moment to remember that reactions to the prescreening of the first two episodes of Total Eclipse were good too.

>>13661862
well yeah, but a good first impression it's still important for a series

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C Днeм Poждeния, Кpиcкa.

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I really want Schwarzesmarken OST with lossless quality. Any news about CD release?

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How can it be high quality when the uniforms are just plain brown without the East German signature raindrop camo pattern?

>>13661788
>Long ass hair
>In the military
No discipline. Sad.

>>13661910

This is hardly the first offender.

Also it's insanely trivial in the context of fiction.

>>13661910
Silly Wessie's right?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-german-hair-force-a-failed-experiment-in-military-manes-a-744992.html

>>13661915
I never really saw anything about this show before so I wouldn't know. Only thing I saw were some of the figures, and they looked pretty cool. Can't say the same about the characters.
>>13661919
gross.

>>13661919
>Serving in the military created conditions that caused "irregularity in bowel movements," which in turn apparently caused many soldiers to experience outbreaks of acne. These symptoms turned out to be even more common in men who "wore beards and long hair."

The Cold War was a very strange time.

>>13661928
Figures of the mechs you mean?

>>13661942
yeah.

>>13661919
How counterculture was East Germany?

>>13661950

Mid tier maybe

Most mainstream was Yugoslavia though

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>>13661866
fuck off polack

C'mon! Are you tying to say that no one got download for Alternative Gun Hazard? I don't believe you!

>>13662333

Did you think /m/uv-luv would ever not talk about their daily playthroughs if there was an actual DL for Alt.GH?

So is that new Muv-Luv game from DMM playable yet?

And are they closing Muv-Luv Next Answer in few months or something?

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>>13661866
This year's picture is not as cute as last year's.

>>13662431
>So is that new Muv-Luv game from DMM playable yet?

yes, but you can pre-register

>And are they closing Muv-Luv Next Answer in few months or something?

yes they are closing it.
They are gonna sell an art book with all the art of NA

>>13662360
Yeah... Good point.

>wathing Soukou no Strain
>seems the first episode of TE mixed with Cross Ange

>>13661840

Are you guys ready for penetration?

>>13661818

She's shooting somebody in that scene.

A3 MiG-23/27 when?

>>13662614
NEVER
E
V
E
R

hopefully

>>13662609
And ?

>>13662614
BRING BACK BALLJOINTS

>>13662752

Gleefully murdering others in cold-blood is not the sign of a person worth protecting.

>>13662774
I want to protect her too anyway. Filthy rebels don't deserve to live.

>>13661939
Sounds like legit correlation if not causation. Long hair and beards = less personal hygiene = that other stuff.

>>13662619
>hopefully

Why?

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>>13662614

How long until we get a Lise-23 and Beato-27 figure?

>>13661866
>Кpиcкa
Go to bed Shot Weapon.

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>>13662774

That scene wasn't even in the LN.

Beato executes a ton of people (usually off camera), but she doesn't seem to take a particular pleasure in it. Like in Cage of Stasi, she was rather cool about the whole thing. She asks the deserters for their last words, and then has them shot. No drawing it out, no mocking or gloating, no torture, just a speedy execution.

>>13662904

So I guess they'll be loading the anime with tons of extra scenes to make us hate her. Great. Guess this means they'll be ignoring BiS too to play up the Irisdina is an innocent victim and Beato is a jealous asshole angle. I'm not saying Beato is justified (far from it), but they'll be doing a serious disservice trying to portray the Iris vs Beato conflict as a purely Black and White thing.

>>13662904

>hfw she sees your CIWS

>>13662904

They were worse than deserters, they were defectors, and they shot at her first. Beatrix could've had them shipped back to the stasi rape dungeon for a bit of fun (Axmann would've), but decides just to execute them instead.

>Iris ratting her brother out causes the Christian Allegiance to be born

At last I truly see.

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>>13662972

Jurgen is basically bizarro-world Theodor (from /a/):

>Jurg is calm, confidant and charismatic.
>Theo is paranoid, unsure, and spills his spaghetti.

>Jurg immerses himself in politics
>Theo actively avoids it

>Jurg jumps into situations, causing him all sorts of problems
>Theo avoids situations, causing him all sorts of problems

>Jurg is one of the best pilots in SM
>Theo is a grunt who is outmatched by his peers

>Jurg takes on leadership roles
>Theo's perfectly fine with being a grunt

>Jurg's sister turns him over to the stasi to free herself
>Theo's sister turns herself over to the stasi to free him

>Jurg has a terrible relationship with his parents
>Theo loves his parents

>Jurg hits first base by the second volume
>Theo get's to hug Iris in the second to last volume

>Jurg is meant to be likable
>Theo isn't

>Jurg is dead
>Theo is terrorist

>Jurg loves Beatrix
>Theo loves Iris

Wonder how the two would've interacted had Jurgen survived BiS. Do you think they would've hit it off as well as their waifus do?

>>13663007

>Do you think they would've hit it off as well as their waifus do?

"Oh you know that stasiweib who you hate more than anybody else in the universe and is trying to kill your waifu and your adopted imouto, I'm boning her. Also, I'm better than you in every way, Tschüss."

>>13663007
>>Jurg is dead hero
>>Theo is alive terrorist

>>13663160
that confirm that being a paranoid sociopatic it's better than be a hero

>>13662904
Who is that in the pic, anyway? I've seen this image used for the past few years, but I have absolutely no idea who it is.

>>13663215

Well yeah. Jurgen is the "hero," and look at where that got him, Beatrix, and everyone else he loved. Really, the best person, the hero East Germany needed, would've been somewhere inbetween Jurgen and Theo.

>>13663219

Can't you see, it's Beatrix.

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>>13663219
Marina ismail from gundam 00

More like the expression of everyone at the end of the series

>>13663232

>More like the expression of everyone at the end of the series

Which series? Gundam 00 or SM?

>>13663239
00, i didn't read SM, maybe it's usable for both

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>>13663266

I'd say it's still applicable.

>>13662598

No, I'm not (;_;)

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>>13663287

"Sooner or later... you will know…"

...the limitations of your dream... only under stasi dominion…only ideals like mine, will bring hope to humanity..."

——I shall be watching how it ends then... in Valhalla... with pleasure…"

...Beatrix-chan...

>>13663295

Was Beatrix right?

>>13663277
Who the fuck is the ? girl? Gretel without megane and a ponytail?

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>>13663359

It's Gretel. She survives but is seriously injured. Her husbando is taking care of her in the end.

>>13661788
>dat BUENO face
oh boy, this will be such a ride once it airs

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>>13663377

Beatrix es muy bueno.

>>13663367
Sounds like a massive asspull.

>>13663298
Of course she was.

>>13662614
better ask for kits
A3 line died

>>13663387

Why? Beatrix never executed Martin (maybe she took pity on him, she was ordered to purge the whole family), and the rebels rescue Gretel.

>>13663437
I mean her surviving.

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>>13663441

Her body was never shown. Usually, SM makes it pretty explicit when a character dies.

>>13663367
Are her glasses just for show after all?
Anyway she got much prettier.

>>13663298

If Beatrix was right, the rebellion wouldn't of been a thing. Nobody was really "right" though, but Beatrix and her goons were definitely more wrong.

>>13663295

I love how spiteful she is in the end. "I'm dying so I hope you all die too!" Just goes to show how hollow, selfish and ego driven she really was.

>>13663388

You're just saying that because she's hot. At the end of the day, she just a state thug with a pretty face.

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>>13663457

She was trying to lay low, so she lost the glasses as part of her disguise. And yes, her alt look really suits her, so much so that they're using it for their super secret SM: Altered Fable project.

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>>13662598

Will they show it in detail? I want to see Beato arch her back and writhe, all the while gasping and moaning in Yukarin's sex voice as Theo forces his cIWS into her warm, tight insides.

>>13663452
>Her body was never shown.


I know that, but given her circumstances the plausible odds of her surviving are effectively nonexistent without some form of asspull.

>>13663367

Is that real information or is that hypothetical?

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>>13663538

What makes me angry is that Gretel survived, but Iris didn't.

>>13663548

It's real, Chinese and Japanese confirm it.

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>>13663551

What's up with best girls and stomach wounds?

Yui
Beatrix
Irisdina

>>13663548

https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%83%AB%E3%83%84%E3%82%A7%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B1%E3%83%B3&oldid=54379048

>>13663551
Project harder, son. Though now that you mention it, if the captain died from taking a gunshot to the gut then why didn't the commissar die from a gunshot to the gut AND burns/asphyxiation?

>>13663634

I'm not implying anything, it genuinely makes me angry.

>>13663569
>https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%83%AB%E3%83%84%E3%82%A7%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B1%E3%83%B3&oldid=54379048

I can't read Japanese, friend.

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>>13663488
LIQUID

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>>13661788

God damn, why is it that possibly the sexiest chick in a series renowned for hot girls have to also be one of the worse and nightmarishly evil villains the mecha genre has ever seen. I know I should absolutely hate her, that her death would make the world an infinitely better place. I know that I should be cheering the heroes on whenever they try to hurt or kill her, but how can I when she's making my dick a 12 on Moh's scale of hardness?

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>>13664278
She did nothing wrong.

Now sign the paper and get your fucking Stasi uniform.

>>13664324

I want to... protect her, not hurt her, but I'm a moralfag. I'd normally be going for Iris's type. It's like she's some sort of witch that's got a spell on me.

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>>13664340
>I want to... protect her, not hurt her, but I'm a moralfag.

You can't want to protect her and be a moralfag at the same time.

You have to chose your path.

Being without moral is not that bad, I have been doing fine so far, and you won't be blinded by other people standards calling themselves " Good " that way. Far better to have a clear mind if you ask me.

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>>13664363

>>13664324

>She did nothing wrong.

How do you figure? I'm willing to listen to a counter-argument to all those accusations the Irisfags have been leveling at her.

>>13664384
That was a troll.

If you are a moralfag, she certainly did a lot of things wrong.

For me, it's not that wrong as I hate the rebels. She have basically reasons to do everything she did, regarding what she wants to do with East Germany and on the Stasi/Soviet side.

I should scan the pages of the LN and translate the things that are more on her point of view to just use direct sources to back the Beatrixfags and prove them there is nothing wrong to like her if you put morality aside. Maybe I will do that before we have the anime ( Which seems to go 100% on the rebel side ) but I can't guarantee it as I will not be home to do it before one month or two.

For way better arguments as I'm not wanting to get into a debate right now, there have been a lot of really good posts in the past threads ( Though it should be old now, probably 8 or more threads away ). You could lurk the archive if you really want counter-arguments.

>>13664278
If it's any consolation, there will hopefully be lots of rape doujins.

>>13664405

Yeah, like >>13662904 , I don't remember Beatrix being super murder happy. She kills a lot, but she isn't crazy about it, it's just something she feels she's gotta do (unless Iris is involved). I don't remember the execution scene the anime is showing in the PV either. Her first scene with Axmann is at a briefing/prep talk for the Werewolves (which also serves to highlight the different leadership styles the two have and their tension around one another), not an execution.

Beatrix is difficult to peg though. It's often hard to tell when she's being an extreme troll or genuinely sadistic (like implying that she had Martin killed to Gretel or implying she'd kill Lise in a spar)

If you've read the whole series, you should definitely see about correcting or adding to the wiki with it.

Also, her final words have been finally translated here (maybe you can corroborate it): >>13663295

>>13664405

Didn't the rebels have their reasons too? Why do you hate Iris and them over Beatrix and the stasi?

Not trying to start an argument or anything.

>>13663298
Humanity is doing reasonably well after Operation Ouka and there doesn't seem to be a stasi world order afterwards, so I'd say she was wrong in the long run, even if Germany got screwed.

>>13664449

Yeah, but the majority of the world did end up adopting more autocratic, "stasi" like measures as things got worse, and Beatrix would absolutely love somebody like Yuuko, so you could argue that she was still right.

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>>13664410

I want a vanilla doujin of adult Beatrix with adult Jurgen.

>>13664324
> she did nothing wrong

nice baito.

>>13664443
I usually don't like people who talk without knowing.

The rebels had reasons, yeah, but from their tiny point of view. They just saw the surface of things, and decided to go all out based only on that. Besides, I consider that when you have an Alien race wanting to eat all your species, your living condition and sense of freedom is clearly not what matters.

I'm not defending the Stasi though, they did a lot of things wrong and, even if I don't care about morality when the goal is worth it ( As are most if not all of Beatrix actions ), torturing/killing people just for fun is not really necessary. But it's mainly the fault of Schmidt and Axmann here. I really think having Beatrix in charge of the Stasi would have change things while maintaining a necessary iron hand on the country ( And even on Europe ) to survive the BETA.

>>13664439
Can't confirm the exact translation as I need to read it again and in context, but her final words are definitely like this.

>>13663972
BROTHER

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>>13664515

You should translate her final fight scene. If it's anything like other anime/LN, you'll get the best, most concentrated and unfiltered look at a villains motive and world view in their final dialogue/actions.

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>>13664487
>>13664410

I'd kill for a doujin involving Theo and Beatrix that reenacts their final battle as a sexual encounter/rape.

>>13664454
To an extent, but by the time of Alternative, as callous as, say, the American or Japanese could be, they never seemed to be as outrightly malevolent as the Stasi was, either with Beatrix or IRL. Perhaps the world moved closer to authoritarianism as time passed, but it never reached Beato's level.

>>13664559

I'd say that's more the fault of the stasi over her than anything else.

>>13664542
As I said, I won't be able to get my hand on the volumes before I go back where they are in one or two months ( More like two as things goes up ).

Though I don't remember any important dialogue taking place near the fight scene between Theo and Beatrix. They kinda just get into it. I don't even think she tried to explain anything or make him change camp in a last attempt. She just wanted to kill him because he was in the way ( Actually that's him who wanted to kill her in the first place ).

I really need to reread it though, I forgot a lot of details.

>>13664605

You see, this is why it should've been Iris who took on Beato. Theo vs Beatrix just isn't very compelling at all.

>>13664617
As I don't like Theo, I'm with you there.

Especially now that we have a lot of background for the two of them in BiS.

But I don't think we would have got anything really different. Maybe some sentences on their past here and there, but they had a lot of time to talk already, so I dunno if they had speak more. Though as it would have been the fight they have so long waited for, maybe they would have said their last thoughts on each other. Surely it would have been way more interesting on the overall story that what we got.

>>13664636

It's about buildup and resolution, something Beatrix vs Theodor just doesn't have. Neither of them really know each other, and both are tied to each other by their relationship with Iris anyways. Beatrix wouldn't hate Theo if not for Iris, just like Theo would still dislike Beatrix, but nowhere near the intensity to want to murder her.

Also, I heard from a couple of other anons that the final fight was kinda disappointing from a action-y standpoint. It was more Theo executing Beatrix in her damaged machine than a proper final battle.

>>13664660
Yeah, that's kinda that. As I said, they just get into it, and puf, penetration.

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>>13664665

The final image even show her knocked down/disabled and Theo moving in for a coup-de-grace. Man, I really dislike Theo, especially if the Jap wiki (link below) turns out to be true and he executed the remaining Werewolves in cold blood after they surrendered.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%83%AB%E3%83%84%E3%82%A7%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B1%E3%83%B3&oldid=54379048

>>13664682
He did.

>>13664689

Axmann doesn't get away, does he?

>>13664715
He does.

>>13664723

No he doesn't. You haven't read the LNs, just the animesuki spoilers like everyone else. Axmann's executed after his hostage plan goes awry by Heim's soldiers.

Stop peddling your shit. You're almost as bad as those Irisfags.

>>13664737

Irisfags tend to be more right then him. She's like a female Reinhard Heydrich (the guy who drafted the final solution and a certifiable sociopath), only more sadistic. Axmann may focus his evil towards one individual, but Beatrix tries to hurt as many as possible to get her jollies, which is why I'd say she's even worse than him.

I don't know why he's lying though. Maybe he just wants to protect his waifu. Trick is, take Beatrix's gender and physical appearance out of the picture and what are you left with? Your left with a monster who ranks right up there as one of the most horrible characters ever seen. She'd make likes of Johan Liebert blush at the stuff she gets up to on a daily basis.

>>13664811

how do you feel about bis?

>>13662220
W-what is Mother Russia doing here?!

>>13664822

Imagine reading about Hitler doing cute things as a child. It doesn't really change anything, you'd still want him dead.

It doesn't matter Beatrix's age, I still despise her. I hate her so much that I even want to see her prequel self lose everything, suffer horribly, and die (of course, you don't learn sociopathy, you're born with it, so she probably wasn't that "innocent" to begin with).

As for Jürgen, I'd like him, but his association with Beatrix makes it very difficult. Iris is OK, but the story doesn't seem to really focus on her unfortunately.

>>13664723

Still haven't responded, huh?

What a phony.

>>13664185
He can save me anytime

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Today's stream was pretty good. Cookie was as funny as ever.

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>>13665724

Kouki knows what's important.

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Alright, now we're getting into the good stuff.

>>13665696
Is Meiya a time traveler?

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>>13665735
>>13665736

Ilfie's one of her contemporaries, so I don't know what you're angling at.

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Kouki proves once again that he's a massive Beatrixfag.

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>>13665748

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>>13665763

Lucky guy.I wish Beatrix would wrap herself around my neck.

>>13665696
Once again no link
Anon..

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>>13665767

Wearing waifus as scarves should definitely become a thing.

>>13665770

Stream's been dead for over half an hour now
Anon.

Here's the new stream though:

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv246666512

Kimashi Night Fever tends not to have all the reveals that the Roar of Publicity has, though.

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This part was hilarious. Had everyone around him cracking up too.

>"Where's Beatrix?"

>>13665777
>>Stream's been dead for over half an hour now
And you didn't post the link one hour and a half ago or whenever it started.
Not everyone know exactly when Kouki is streaming so if you happen to catch it, how hard it is to just throw the link in the thread? Especially when there's no way to watch them once they're over.

>Here's the new stream though:
Thanks.

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>>13665784

>"Where's Beatrix?"

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>>13665789

>"Where's Beatrix?"

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>>13665791

>turns to the Tiamen Asagi ad
>sees Annerose

"There's Beatrix!"

>>13665795
>Tiamen Asagi
Tiananmen Asagi

But whatever.

>>13665788

I thought it was common knowledge Roar of Publicity airs every Friday at 2100 (Japanese time) and KNF right afterwords,

>>13664811
>>13664854

Also, I wonder how Kouki would feel about you guys taking a dump on his favorite girl (and before you start, he pretty much flat out stated she was his favorite in today's stream). Keep posting though, it's hilarious.

>>13665813
There is nothing wrong with being evil
Hitler is best WW2 grill

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>>13665795
>>13665802

So even Cookie acknowledges that Annerose is basically Beatrix moonlighting in a hentai.

>>13665813
>Whole game about Iris and no Beatrix screentime with cut content from novels
He better not be fucking surprised we take a dump on her.
Maybe he'll feel like adding a whole Beato route, that would be great.

Kouki explaining the setting and tech bits on stream, excellent, wish I could understand them in details

>>13665802
>Tiananmen
Taimanin.

>>13665820

Beatrix has the whole prequel story to herself though, more so than Iris in the main series (no tertiary interest except Iris to steal her screentime).

>>13665822

Auto-correct strikes again.

>>13665819
well, they bot got penetrated, too bad that Annerose is a masochist

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>>13665819

And Erica would be hentai Iris. Funny, I could also Annerose getting along just as well with Erica as Beatrix with Iris.

>>13665828
>prequel
It basically doesn't count. At the very least I personally don't care, the adult Beatrix is the one I wanted to love and I was throughly disappointed. There's no way whatever twist the prequel is hiding will change anything.
Thanks fuck the game is still a masterpiece

>>13665830

I don't think Beato or Annerose were big fans of being penetrated by the male lead.

>>13665835

Why do you hate her? Lack of screentime or personality?

>>13665847
The former definitely. I thought she would be the obvious best girl before playing the game, and would somehow appear often in front of Theo and the others.

I don't hate her, there's simply not much reasons to like her.

>>13665874

Well, there's simply isn't much of a reason for her to appear in front of the heroes at this point. She's definitely not an ally, but at the same time, she isn't in direct conflict with them yet. It does suck that they she only gets two scenes, and the second one is really short (when she had around four to five scenes by the end of Volume III in the LNs).

>>13665784
>>13665789
>>13665791
>>13665795
Where's our scans and translations of scans?

>>13664559
>American[s] [...] never seemed to be as outrightly malevolent as the Stasi was [...] IRL

Insert NSA joke here.

>>13666159
The NSA is just watching you themselves. The Stasi is employing your friends and loved ones to watch you. That's far more insidious and malevolent.

>>13666163

Yeah, can you imagine what ML NSA is like, especially when you see ML's take on the CIA.

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Great, so fans can win a Vivi poster autographed by her VA. I'd rather have Iris, Katia or Beatrix desu.

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>>13665956

You want scans, here, take your scans.

>>13664546
Even for a doujin that's way too out of character.

The BETA will be defeated by Russian Bears before Theo and Beatrix ever have any sort of sexual encounter. Rape or otherwise.

>>13666547

Even though he hates her as much as he hates Axmann, Theo still thinks Beatrix is one of the hottest girls ever, so hatefucking wouldn't be out of the question, especially if doujin logic is used.

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>>13666517
>that quality
Take them back.

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>>13666587

Beato has been the only one whose looked semi decent in the recent magazines/promo stuff.

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>>13666587
>>13666596

>>13666453
She has really nice teeth for a Japanese girl.

>>13666565
>Theo still thinks Beatrix is one of the hottest girls ever
source

>>13666612

Story is told through limited PoV. He calls her bewitching when he first sees her, and in one of the side stories, he gets a distracted by her glamour when she's talking to him through his video feed.

>>13666612
>>13666622

Just to clarify, he still thinks Iris is the end all, be all in the beauty department.

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whut?

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>>13666823
OH SHIT

>>13663565
Yui dies in the VN? Fuck everything.

>>13666823
JAPAAAAAAAAN

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>>13666947

Best girls don't stand a chance against Theodor.

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If Beatrix is worse girl, why does she keep beating Iris in the polls.

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>>13665748
>>13665753
>>13665757
>>13665763
>>13665767

Why does Kouki like her so much?

>>13666990
>Why does Kouki like her so much?
hard M, i'm sure that PR girl punish him everytime in his secret dungeon

>>13667071
PR girl is very annoying, makes me close the stream everytime she appear and start yelling

>>13666990
She is literally perfect, what's there not to like about her?

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>>13667073

I usually just drag the stream to my second monitor and mute it. I'll glance at it every couple of seconds, and tune in/snap a pic if something interesting is happening.

>>13666990
>>13667071

Yuuko is Kouki's undisputed favorite and Beatrix is very similar to Yuuko in a looot of respects.

>>13666974

Because Iris pretty much gets BTFO by her in BiS (check out some of the reviews on Amazon to see Irisfags swapping over to Beatrix after reading the first volume).

>>13667080
Oh so that's his pattern
Not giving proper routes to the character he likes the most.

>>13667077

Uh, because she's evil and gets off on hurting people?

>>13667094
What happened?

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>>13667097

He ended up pushing for Yuuko to be one of the main heroines/routes in KimiMuv (along with Meiya and Sumika).

>>13667102

From the comments, it's because she has better chemistry with the MC (and is cute as fuck).

>>13667098
So?

>>13667113
>KimiMuv

Is this released?
I actually haven't played anything age outside of Muvluv.

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>>13667113

Here's the pic.

Also, unlike Yuuko, Beatrix had her shot at true love already, and you know how Age is about NTRing girls away from their OTL, even if that lover is dead. So the chances at a romantic route with her are very slim, unless they do a noncanonical "what-if" game with Jurgen.

>>13667126

I'd love a game with Jürgen. The setup would be that he survived the purges and now has to deal with his estranged sister and crazy/indoctrinated former lover. The game would have multiple endings, with an actual happy Beatrix ending being nearly impossible to get (you'd end up killing her in the majority of the endings for maximum depression).

>>13667123

No, it's not out.

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>>13667121

I mean, if you're fine with basically loving a mass-murdering, concentration camp running complete monster, be my guess. I'll be with the superior option, thank-you very much.

>>13667126
>unless they do a noncanonical "what-if" game with Jurgen.
This would have been much better than what we are getting now.

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>>13667150

Why? Theo isn't that bad in the VN, and Iris isn't a terrible heroine (fucking game railroads you too her though, which I hate).

>>13667150

And what exactly is your problem with "what we are getting now?"

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>>13667198

He probably wants a Beatoroute.

>>13667250
Who wouldn't?
Even as Irisfag, it's just not fair she doesn't get anything.

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>>13667307

Again, she get's BiS. It's even a real romance instead of the friendzoning shit you get with Iris (seriously, Theo risks his life for you and all you do is give him a hug; Beato gave Jurg a big kiss first thing when he came back from the front),

>>13667307

Well, she is the MAIN villain, and they tend *not* to be romanceable.

>>13667324
It's not like I'm asking for romance, and Jurg isn't Theo.

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Jurg a shit.

You guys sound like the Nips with your obsession over him and Theo hate.

http://community.muvluv.moe/index.php?/topic/294-revised-muv-luv-alternative-introduction-lines/

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>>13667335

A Liseroute would be awkward, especially with Theo in love with Iris at the end of the first VN.

>>13667346

I like both of them.

>>13667346

It's just an extension of waifufaggotry.

Beatofags tend to like Jurg, and Irisfags tend to prefer Theo.

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>>13664737
Wait, by reading the today posts ( Just got back from Christmas party with friends ) I kind of guess you were talking to me ( ie. >>13664665 and before in the conversation I had with you I guess ) with the " You haven't read the LNs " part, but just to clarify, I didn't wrote those posts >>13664689 >>13664723. I went to bed right after I posted >>13664665.

And if you weren't talking to me, do as if I had said nothing then.

>>13667348
Seems good so far, even if I really like the japanese version with their particular accent. Sure, it's pretty much non-immersive ( And grammatically awful ), but I dunno, there is something to it that I love.

>>13667379
No matter what happens, the HUMEN...BREHNS! bit will never fail to make me laugh.

>>13667379

Alright, cool, but you'll probably have to do a bit of ethos building to get your rep back (kinda hard to do on an anonymous image-board, but you do have a very idiosyncratic way of typing).

>>13667379

So the guy answering all the question was completely wrong, right?

>>13667399
I didn't knew I had a rep, but ok. Is that some kind of attempt to force me to do the scans and translations as soon as I can ?

And for my way of typing, I guess it's because I'm not an English native speaker ( Though I use it on a daily basis for months, unfortunately I can't speak Swedish ).

>>13667436
For the " He did " and " He does " posts ?

The first is right Theo execute them to wipe the rest of the Stasi wardogs, especially because they were totally loyal to Beatrix. It's not said, but I guess he just wanted to let nobody try to get in the way of the Rebellion again, and obviously killing them is an easy way to do so. The second, as stated, is wrong Axmann is shot not long after he kills Iris.

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>>13667379

Beatrix's death doesn't make a lot of sense. You'd think something as big as Theo's ciws would pretty much instantly mulch her, but instead she's still capable of talking to Theo. We don't really see her body or blood pool like the other dead named characters, and Gretel turned out to be alive despite bleeding out in a burning building, right?

>>13667554
>Gretel turned out to be alive

The story ends without even revealing her fate and the last we see of her she's in that burning building. What even clarified that, outside of some Wiki edits that anyone can make?

>>13667562

Still, Beato surviving penetration by a CIWS, even for just a moments, makes as much sense as Gretel surviving her gutshot and stasi HQ burning down around her.

>>13667582

That doesn't answer my question.

Also you can ditch the spoilers, we all know what happens.

>>13667554
It would have probably been worse if she couldn't say something while dying. Her death is really made up to be somewhat dramatic, hence the fact that we don't see blood. Besides, with the type of death she got, it was either she could speak some last words and we couldn't see the body, or we could see the body but she could clearly not be able to say anything.

For Gretel, isn't it said in Requiem ? I can't confirm this, I didn't read them myself, but I think I heard that somewhere.

>>13667584

Well, it was mostly what I read on the Japanese wiki, and what one of the Chinese translators said.

I haven't read the final four chapters (haven't been upload yet).

Also, spoilers tags are more of a courtesy.

>>13667601

I thought her final fight was more of a quick and dirty thing. Theo pretty much had the upper hand at that point, so it was his fight to lose. From the spoilers, apparently the Lise fight was better.

>>13667603

Ah, so a very reputable source, then.

Calling total bullshit on that.

Best I can do until I get the final chapters. I trust this guy >>13667601 more than you though.

>>13667617
Oh it was quick and dirty, not even a real fight actually, but the last words she says are very strong ones. Her death get a kind of special description not like the other ones, where you see the body and the text is really describing how it is. Here, it has a very dramatic feeling. I can't remember the exact words, but it was definitely something with a slow pace, not actually describing the scene but more imaging it.

>>13666823
Is this just another derivative of the Shiranui 2nd Phase 3?

>>13667638

Yeah, just thought it was weird. SM doesn't shy away from the guro (see Inghilde and Vivi). Even minor characters get some pretty nasty descriptions for their deaths. The one I remember is the stasi girl who gets bisected by one of the 666. The novel describes her emotions and pain as the blade slices into her and then the next scene shows her destroyed cockpit leaking blood down her MiG-23.

Just found it strange Beato didn't get something as explicit.

>>13667659
>. Even minor characters get some pretty nasty descriptions for their deaths. The one I remember is the stasi girl who gets bisected by one of the 666. The novel describes her emotions and pain as the blade slices into her and then the next scene shows her destroyed cockpit leaking blood down her MiG-23.

That sounds like engaging in sadism for the sake of it, really.

Who cares how messily some faceless nobody dies?

>>13667757

She wasn't exactly faceless she was Lise's stasi friend or something, and her gory death served to horrify Lise and Annete.

>>13667757
I think that's actually important.
More details is always a plus.

>>13667779

If you want to come across as a guy that has problems, maybe.

>>13667793
>Le edgy meme
Please, actually knowing what happen to generic mooks is great, maybe they die in horrible fashions but what if one actually survive, etc?
The kind of thing that gives more depth to the story and the setting. I'm sorry if you're too pleb to get the point.

>>13667808
>Please, actually knowing what happen to generic mooks is great, maybe they die in horrible fashions but what if one actually survive, etc?

I dunno, you tell me.

What relevance does the the issue of survival of faceless expendable grunts have to do with anything?

>describing the last, pathetic moments of some nearly faceless cannon fodder gives richness and depth to the story and setting

We already know the world of Muvluv is a shitheap, there are other ways to emphasize that outside of coming across as a person who loves guro.

>>13667348
>Delta Company changed to Delta Squadron
why

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>>13667854

I think it was more to emphasize that this was a human (and a cute gril) being killed in a rather horrific way by another human.

>>13667854

She wasn't faceless. She had a name and had popped up in the story beforehand.

>>13667894

That face is begging for a sword to begin with.

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>>13667924

Annete had been shittalking her, so this was the "slapdown."

>>13667921

Now now, I did use 'nearly'.

Doesn't really serve as justification, though, personally.

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>>13667935

I wouldn't say she's a mook, not any more than a member of the premier special forces outfit in the DDR. She actually did pretty well considering she was outnumbered. She was juggling both Annete and Gretel (even managed to down the commissar) until she got distracted trying to save Lise and had to deal with both Theo and Lise tagging her.

>>13667951

>Downed one of the worst pilots in the unit by the story's own admission

Well.

At least Anette's a step up.

>>13667894

Well, I'm just saying it's excessive. And considering this thing apparently goes into her last feeble emotions and and pain and thought processes as her body is brutally pulverized by a blade several times her size in length, going over the moments as metal bites into her skin and god knows what else, I think 'edgy' is a bit apt here, funnily.

Guy who called me that still hasn't addressed what relevance survival has in this case.

>>13668070

The last arc is extremely edgy. The rebels do their share of torturing and warcrimes by the end. When Gretel becomes the voice of moderation and reason, you know you've crossed a bridge too far into "Crazy Land."

>>13667080
>Beatrix is very similar to Yuuko in a looot of respects.
What about Mitsuko?

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>>13668105

Depends, do we get to see how she acts when the chips are down on the table like Yuuko in Unlimited/Alternate. I'll give you that looks wise, Beatrix is definitely closer to Mitsuko than Yuuko though.

>>13668120

I always thought she was the most beautiful of the Kouzuki sisters, even if Yuuko is my favorite.

>>13668075

Well, kinda proving the whole bit there.

Just smacks of off-putting fetishism as opposed to 'world-building'.

>>13668140
She's the sluttiest too.

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>>13668176

Does she put out. That's the key, because as slutty as Beato may be, she's just doing it to tease/troll.

>>13668188
>see though dress
>no pantsu

>>13666964
Welp, that goes any and all sympathy I had for the guy. Fuck him with a rusty pole.

>>13668213
We can't see her crotch, so she may have panties on.

Or not, as far as we know.

Actually, this simple thought is doing wonders to my dick.

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>>13668176
>>13668188

She has a route too, unlike Beatrix.

>>13668215

Going down the canon path, he's supposed to be unsympathetic. Theo's an anti-hero, hence as he slips into the dark side he starts doing a lot of shitty things like letting enemies surrender to him before shooting them all up. One thing the LN points out is that none of the other 666 were doing some of the shit he was doing to get back at the stasi. At the end of Volume VI, he even made Katia cry because of all the bad shit he'd been doing.

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>>13668230

>>13668230
She doesn't have a route actually.

>>13668250

Never played KGIK, so sorry, thought she did. Oh well, one more similarity between the two.

>>13668284
She sleeps with Masaki in the common route. Because she's a slut.

>>13666163
The bummers tried to do that too.

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>>13668305

So she's a bigger slut that Beatrix then.

>>13668353
translate this

>>13668379

https://alternativeprojects.wordpress.com/schwarzesmarken-ln-translation-page/schwarzesmarken-chapter-3-beneath-the-gray-skies/

>>13666823
What's the two bots next to the ATD-X early-artwork? Sketch lineart for A-12s?

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>>13668353

Of course she is. Beato's just doing it to fuck with people's heads. There's a chance she might have even remained a virgin up until Theo penetrated her.

>>13668460
Does his shirt say "Circumstances Expert?"

>>13668501

I believe it does.

>>13666951
You were expecting the Takemikazuchi to be the spiritual ATD-X?

>>13668585
I expected nothing and still somehow am disappointed.

It can't be helped, Japan doesn't have many indigenous planes to work with and there's only so many times you can make up a fictional notplane. Should've gone for a notgendum though, to fit in with the vague "looks like robots from arbitrary mecha anime" theme the Shiranui and Tak had going. But nope, gotta Shinshin.

>>13668460
was she his first?

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>>13668636
Why did I thought about a TSF using the special design of the Type 74 MBT ?

I know it's not even an aircraft, but this thing is really making me hard as fuck. Even if... I... don't really know how... they could adapt this into a TSF, but who cares ? Let me dream for a little.

Ah dammit, now I'm thinking about the big badass tank of Dominion. That's it, I'm all wet.

>>13668636
Looks to me to be largely a derivative of the Shiranui II though with Black Widow forearm sheaths.

Isn't it supposed to be just a tech demonstrator anyway? Hence "ATD". Possibly makes sense to save money by using existing stuff as the base in this weird timeline where instead of having to develop their own stealthy geometry thanks to Congress cockblocking Raptor purchases someone slipped them a Black Widow under the table thus influencing their design decisions heavily.

Now, if they were to make Muv-Luv Alternative 2 and instead of some proper new designs everyone is flying F-35s instead that would be disappointing.

And PAK-FA fucking where

>>13668636
Think they could have phoned Kawamori and asked him to shoot them a TSF version of ASF-X Shinden II?

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>>13668795
>PAK-FA
polish putin is taking his time

>>13668811
Pls that'd look super out of place and you know it.


let me just dig out my checkbook...

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>>13668353

Why is Beatrix such a staunch supporter of the organization that killed her "true love?"

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>>13668904

Why are the Soviets still shipping valuable TSFs (and even prototypes) to Berlin when they're getting raped by BETA themselves? Wouldn't a better used for these machines be on the homefront? How are the Soviets able to reliably keep up a supply chain when even Moscow has been obliterated by the BETA? In the RW, supply issues got so bad that even without BETA, the stasi were arming themselves with West German guns and equipment.

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>>13668909

Actually, why aren't the stasi taking their hidden nazi gold and jumping ship with everybody else? Why do they so vehemently defend the crap heap that is East Germany? Make sense for someone like Beatrix cause she's crazy, but somebody who is as selfish as Axmann and Schmidt would take the first chance they got to get out of dodge. Why do Axmann and Schmidt try to barter and maneuver for more power when they're literally two steps away from being CHOMPED?

>>13668904
>>13668909
>>13668939
Here we go again

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>>13668975
Please tell me SM isn't as vulnerable to Frodoing as TE was.

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>>13668975
>>13668985

Why don't they treat Irisdina after she get's shot? She lived long enough to have a talk with Theo and then a flyover of the Berlin wall, you'd think with some rudimentary first aid she would've survived long enough for a trip to the hospital.

Why doesn't Heim make a deal with Axmann, have him free the hostages, and then have him arrested immediately afterwards? Nobody would've gotten shot had he not ordered his troops to rush Axmann.

How is Beatrix not instantly killed after her penetration?

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>>13668985
>>13668994
Jokes on you I like Frodoing

>>13668975
Frodo i.e. world setting discussion is still more fulfilling than beato/iris waifu wars.

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>>13669021

How is it a war when the Beatofags pretty much roll over as easily as the French in the face of blue eyed Aryan aggression.

All I've seen of this waifu war is Irisfags lashing out like >>13664854 and Beatofags pretty much doing nothing. It was extra bad on /a/ (where most of the Irisfags congregate), where people were getting jumped just for posting pics of our favorite stasi and Beatrix's death was being fantasized about.

>>13668909
>Why are the Soviets still shipping valuable TSFs (and even prototypes) to Berlin when they're getting raped by BETA themselves? Wouldn't a better used for these machines be on the homefront?
Maybe their industrial capacity is sufficient that they can better balance the need to show even token support to their Warsaw Pact allies (or risk them quitting the Warsaw Pact and shacking up with NATO instead) against their own need for new MiGs?

>In the RW, supply issues got so bad that even without BETA, the stasi were arming themselves with West German guns and equipment.
Literally where is your source for that, I can't find anything online about the Stasi troops using NATO gear.
http://memim.com/felix-dzerzhinsky-guards-regiment.html
This says that they're outfitted with the typical Eastern Bloc stuff.

>Actually, why aren't the stasi taking their hidden nazi gold and jumping ship with everybody else? Why do they so vehemently defend the crap heap that is East Germany?
Maybe they like having power, and East Germany and the East German People are the only things they could have power over. Or maybe the Nazi gold is radioactive.

>>13669037

They were saying her hair looked like pubes of all things.

>>13669047

I think he got it from wikipedia:

>The SEK units of the states that belonged to the German Democratic Republic prior to 1990 do partially consist of officers who were members of East Germany's GSG 9 counterpart, a unit called Diensteinheit IX. DE IX members had to fulfill similar requirements. Alexander Schalck-Golodkowski, the regime's leading trader, purchased West German weapons and ammunition for DE IX in the mid-80s to fill capability gaps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezialeinsatzkommando

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>>13665956
>>13666517
>>13666587

Here's a bigger scan.

>>13669071

Wow, Iris looks quite bad compared to Beatrix:
>>13661788
>>13663382

>>13668379
Beatrix : "Are you telling me you'd refuse turning (her) over no matter the cost?" or something along the lines.

>>13668636
I expected no postOuka TSFs at all.

Where's my fucking MiG 1.44?!

>>13667348
>remove tons of profanity
>insert "shitload"
Trash.

Overall that is pretty shitty writing if you're going to have it voiced in English but at least one of those names is of a person that can actually translate I guess.

>>13669085
I assume that they just threw out the entire original "English" script and did a new translation from the game's Japanese subtitles, hence the loss of some of the profanity.

>>13667348
I can't be bothered to make an account on that site but assuming gabgave still looks in these threads I'd like to suggest that "My god" or just "God" sounds better than "Mother of god" or "Oh my god"

>>13665844
Annerose got into it.

She wasn't a huge fan of losing, though.

>>13669088
Honestly as awful as it reads it's probably only a slightly edited version of whatever Ixrec shat out, but I don't remember it. Why that required 4 people I may never understand.

>Original voice track
>Hell, I didn't even know what this place looked like before it got bombed.

>Amaterasu patch text
>Hell, I don't even know what this place looked like before it got bombed.

>New dialogue
>Shit, I don't even know what the place looked like before it got bombed.

Your kikestarter dollars at work

>continue to make hotter and hotter female characters
>abandon eroge
why age, why?

>>13669122
>Original Japanese text
>だいたいこっちは、壊れる前がどんなのか見たこともねェんだぞ

>>13669178

Fucking creative writing. None of those translations are accurate. 壊れる is to break or destroy, not bombed. Just because this specific place may have been bombed doesn't mean you can change it like that. 見る is to see, not to know. They don't even get the grammar correct. こと after an informal perfect verb means that someone has done something before. A more correct translation of that sentence would be "For the most part, before this place was destroyed, I never got to see it." I don't know where this line came from or what it's in reference to, but the speaker has been to this aforementioned location before.

>――CPよりブラボーリーダー、G弾の影響と思われる破壊状況の変化も細大漏らさず記録せよ
>BRAVO LEADER THIS IS COMMAND POST. YOU ARE TO DO BDA OF GBOMB ATTACK, AND MAKE FULLY DETAILED.
>――Command Post to Bravo Leader, make sure you record any damage which might have been caused by the G-Bombs.
>―Bravo Leader, this is Command Post. Be sure to record any signs of structural damage potentially caused by the G-Bombs.


>ブラボーリーダー了解。……ッたく、そんなものわかるかよ……専門家じゃあるまいし。
>BRAVO LEADER, ROGER THAT. THEN I GOTTA BE GIVEN GODDAMN COUP FOR THAT. WHAT DO THOSE CLOWNS ABOVE THINK I AM. AN EXPERT OR SOMETHING?
>Bravo Leader, copy that.......geez, how would I know what that looks like......I'm not an expert on this stuff.
>Bravo Leader, copy that... Great. And how the hell am I supposed to know what that looks like? I'm a soldier, not a scientist.


>だいたいこっちは、壊れる前がどんなのか見たこともねェんだぞ
>HELL I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THIS PLACE LOOKED LIKE BEFORE IT GOT BOMBED.
>Hell, I don't even know what this place looked like before it got bombed.
>Shit, I don't even know what the place looked like before it got bombed.

>>13669208
>I never got to see it." I don't know where this line came from or what it's in reference to, but the speaker has been to this aforementioned location before.

nice fanfiction

>>13669208
>I don't know where this line came from or what it's in reference to, but the speaker has been to this aforementioned location before.
They haven't.

Assuming you just jumped into this thread with no context, the situation is that a UN coalition force has just seized an alien command center after US Space Command blew it up with a previously untested fifth dimension effect bomb.

The speaker is part of the forces dispatched to inspect the interior of the structure and figure out what effects the bomb had on it. Since no human has ever made it to the deepest part of an alien command center before, nobody knows what it's supposed to look like without having been hit by a fifth dimension effect bomb and subjected to massive random gravitational forces.

Therefore the speaker has never been here before and he's being asked to do the impossible.

>>13669208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbdVfJGRbfw

>>13669219
BDA stands for "bomb damage assessment" or "battle damage assessemnt" - why would that need to be explained moving from Japanese to English?

If you're going to move away from an acronym for the sake of legibility (a mostly pointless decision since the original chose to use the acronym) why not just say "G-bomb damage assessment" instead of something as drawn-out as "any signs of structural damage potentially caused by the G-bombs"?

>>13669226

That's literally grammar. If you never had the experience of seeing the entire area, then you've seen a portion of it before. Otherwise

>>13669231
>>13669235

Is it possible that the speaker has visited yokohama before there was a hive? Isn't that where takeru lived? Perhaps that's why they used destroyed instead of bombed. Why the fuck would someone have seen a hive before it was bombed anyways? You don't just casually stroll up to your neighborhood beta hive.

>>13669245
The original Japanese subtitles for the Engrish voices don't even use the BDA acronym. It pretty much says what the Amaterasu translation says, to record damage caused by G-bomb strike.

You could say that it wasn't explained moving from Japanese to English, but rather obscured moving from Japanese to Engrish and re-explained moving from Japanese to English.

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>>13669071
>artifacts

>>13669258
Makes sense. Never mind then.

>>13669245
BDA is never in the original text, but I mean if they went out of their way to put 4000' back in instead of the 1300m in the text you may as well use it. It's exactly what the Japanese is trying to say.

The other translations never really get across the whole "fully detailed" after-emphasis.

>>13669253
The Hive wouldn't even have been here the last time he was at Yokohama, supposing he's been there before (there was an IJA training base there before BETA rolled into town I think)

>>13669268
If he was there when it was an IJA base he wouldn't be dubbed in hilarious English.

I'm not sure if we know whether they would have participated in the battle at Yokohama before the bomb was dropped based off of anything besides that line.

>>13669253
The fact that the original creators chose to say "bombed" in the Engrish suggests that in this context the destruction refers to the G-bomb strike.

>>13669268
>>13669274
>>13669276

I mean he lived in yokohama in the extra timeline. That's why he's seen the area before but not all of it prior to being destroyed, ie beta invasion, not g bombing. What do you mean by the creators using bombed in the engrish? Because the japanese text does not use bombed. Do you mean the voiced lines said bombed? I will imply that japanese people have a poorer understanding of english than japanese. The written text is the true meaning, not the engrish.

>>13669292
You really have no fucking idea what you're talking about do you?

This is years before Takeru even exists.

>>13669292
>I mean he lived in yokohama in the extra timeline. That's why he's seen the area before but not all of it prior to being destroyed, ie beta invasion, not g bombing.
takeru isn't the speaker, genius

>>13669296
>>13669299

Sure would have been nice if you said that prior. Then whoever the fuck is speaking has been to yokohama prior to this point in time. Just because you don't understand japanese grammar doesn't make my explanation incorrect. It's literally in the japanese text. The speaker has not had the experience of seeing all of yokohama prior to that point in time. Whether that means prior to the bombing or prior to the hive, does it really matter that much? I don't see why they would be referring to the area prior to the bombing unless these soldiers have explored portions of the hive before.

>>13669311
If we have to tell you what's going on in the intro MLA then that means you've played it and have no business trying to tell us what the context of any given line is.

He's been told to assess the damage to the interior of the hive and is scoffing at it because he has no idea what the inside of a hive looks like.

Nobody's talking about Yokohama.

>>13669316

Original post bitched about the translation. I saw the text and offered what it literally says. You're just as unqualified since your information is second hand. You don't speak japanese so don't get so defensive. Do you think I play half the shit when I offer advice? If I see people struggling with something in japanese I'm going to help. Didn't you notice that I was asking questions about the context which you consistently ignored?

If he's never seen a hive before, then a better translation would be "Generally, I've never seen this before it was destroyed." Perhaps these soldiers have seen a hive before but not in person? Like a photograph or some sort of intelligence report. Or maybe they've seen hives but not after bombing. Is this the first time a hive has been bombed like this? Whatever the case, this person is clearly making a distinction about experiencing it himself, that's what koto is for grammatically. There's no need to be so upset.

>>13669311
The hive doesn't encompass all of Yohokama, wiseguy.
Also it would help if you could express how much you do or don't know about what you're talking about since this is literally the first scene of MLA.

>>13669345
When you start talking about "Takeru" and "Hives" and "Yokohama" it's natural to assume you have some idea of what you're talking about. I believe I provided sufficient context for someone with absolutely no knowledge in this post >>13669231.

No soldiers have been inside Yokohama Hive before because this is the first time it's come under attack since it was built. Nobody has ever been to the deepest parts of any Hive before, the best anyone has gotten was a Soviet regiment managed to break through to the middle strata of Minsk Hive in the late 70s, of which there were only fourteen survivors. This is also the first time G-bombs have been deployed in combat.

The guy may have seen a Hive either in person from a distance (like earlier in the operation when they were busy trying to secure the area around the Hive) or in a mission briefing or something. No chance he's a survivor from the Minsk Hive since the Russians are not involved in this op.

>>13669360

That sounds correct then. I have incredibly limited knowledge. This whole exchange was a mess, sorry. Have fun.

>>13669367
That's okay, nobody knows who you are on the internet. Maybe you'll check out the source one day.