Could the UN Spacy beat the Tyranid, /m/? How would they face

Macross Cannon Spam and j pop idols.

>>12102561
1:1 they'd wipe the floor with them, but the NUNS don't have the numbers to take on a hive fleet. Maybe if they recruited a few more Zentraedi fleets.

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>>12102573
If j-pop works on Tyranids this will be over very quickly. Dudes are all hiveminded so you sing to one and you're singing to them all.

>>12102573
The Gellar Fields though...

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>>12102594
A single hive fleet is actually pretty manageable; the Imperium takes them on all the time with far less advanced tech and fewer numbers. The fact that they don't have to travel through the warp for FTL travel also gives them an edge the Imperium doesn't have access to in case they need to retreat and regroup.

>>12102601
It'd be like a Fleet of the Strongest Women crossover with Aliens.

I'd enjoy it.

>>12102620
Yeah, I was thinking of the major ones like Behemoth or Kraken. Minor hive fleets would be doable.

>>12102735
Even Hive Fleets like those I could maybe see the UN Spacy winning against after a long, protracted battle, but not without serious losses. They'd never be able to take on the entire tyranid, though. Not in a million years, least of all because nobody knows how big the tyranid actually are.

>>12102754
Yeah, the NUNS wouldn't be able to take out all of the remaining Zentraedi, so taking out all of the Tyranid ought to be out of the question as well.

>>12102777
It probably wouldn't be that hard to convince unalligned Zentraedi to work against the Tyranid, though. That'd buy you a couple decades at least, and with how fast tech progresses in Macross they'd have VF gunpods comparable to the original Macross cannon by then.

UN Spacy has an FTL travel that doesn't also try to kill you, they have pretty good mobility in that regard.

End of Frontier they had gunpods shooting Dimension Eater bullets. Brere's gunpod was a tiny macross cannon. I think Alto's VF in the movies also had tiny macross cannons.

Give the NUNS time to set up and they can make a Grand Cannon on a planet. Grand Cannon wipe out a quarter of Boddole Zer's fleet.

>>12102561
Do they have weapons that can thoroughly destroy organic tissue?
If yes, do they have large amounts of those weapons available?

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>>12102976
I think black hole missiles and bullets might do the job.

>>12102791

Or all the delicious giant biomass you are now feeding the nids just makes them worse.

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>>12102561
Absolutely. The most surefire way to beat a hive fleet is to engage it in a fleet battle and to avoid ground conflict as much as possible, and the NUNS excel at the former and do pretty well at the latter when necessary.

The shit that the N.U.N.S are capable of throwing out and the fact that they have a reliable method of FTL put them at a serious advantage. Then again this is 40K we're dealing with which is known for it's stupidly OP bullshit.

Warhammer is a terrible universe that is designed to sell over priced table top garbage.

>>12103154
thanks for stating the obvious, captain no-fun.

Doesn't mean the lore isn't interesting.

>>12103132

40k tech is not actually all that advanced, its just that where other settings have quality, 40k has Quantity.

>>12102976
MDE eats anything, flesh, metal, whatever.
Even if they don't have those tech, the moment they get it, they can very easily refit all guns and missiles to run on that shit.

Better question:

Is the Emperor a Rankafag or a Sherylfag.

>>12103991
The Emperor does not have to limit himself to one. Ranka, Sheryl, and the sky at the same time.

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>>12103991
Basara.

TYRANIDS! LISTEN TO MY SONG!

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>>12103991

>>12103991
>Emperor
>Rankafag
>Implying the Emperor would feel anything but contempt for a filthy xeno halfbreed.

>>12104172
quarter breed

>>12104181
Still has filthy xeno blood coursing through her veins.

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>>12103073
>There isn't a kit of the VF-25A

Why is Macross so overpowered?

>>12104680
500.000 year old Protoculture Overtechnology and J pop.

>>12104680
One set of super civilization tech where they can basically make life forms

>>12104195
Does it have any major differences with the other variants? I think you can modify an existing vf-25 kit into it.

Of course, the head part might be tricky if they are too different..

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>>12104801
Just grab Michael's VF-25G and paint it brown. The heads are nearly identical.

>>12104801
>>12104833

Hmm. I did kinda forget about Michael's. It's a pretty solid idea. I could totally do it once I finish some custom Gunplas.

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>>12104833
TY, anon.

>>12103008
in that case fold bombs cant eat whats been blasted into another dimension but all and all I cant see the NUN wining all out because like some one said no one knows just how many nids thare rely are but I do think the nun could easly handel any singuler fleet of nids with little issue they are alredy doing that with the vajra alredy

>>12102561

> sing at them
> become allies
> conquer the entire 40k universe

>>12104172
>Implying the Emperor would feel anything but contempt for a filthy xeno halfbreed.

Emps is canonically heretical as fuck dude

>deals with the ruinous powers
>consorting with eldar fagotech
>sorcery and genetic fuckery

Guy should be crucified. At the stake.

>>12102561
>could psychic aliens be turned by the power of song

Are you seriously asking THAT question?

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>>12104143
WE LOVE YOU BASARA!

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>>12104987

Honestly, it's a pretty normal question, in hindsight. Since, given 40K's tendency to portray certain factions as being slanted towards openly antagonistic (or in the case of based greenskins, just spoiling for a good bout of fighting) when it comes to thought processes, you could have reactions ranging from

>> Who the fuck is making all that discordant noise in my mind, nevermind, biomass takes priority

to

>> SNAAAAAAAAAAARGK GROOOOONK KREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Going off from what I remember, while the singing was new to the Zentradi, it was really the prospect of a lifestyle that wasn't 24-hrs war-o'-clock that eventually won them over (SDF Macross), and for the Vajra, the singing worked only because the two people singing at them were infected with Vajra microorganisms that also allowed them to communicate their emotions via psychic means (Frontier).

Haven't watched M7 yet, but the answer's the same anyways by virtue of the aliens in M7 actually being sentient rather than ravenous manflesh-craving superbugs.

>>12105113

In M7, singing literally is a way for them to quit being cosmic parasites.

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>>12104172
Emps was generally cool with Xenos as long as they weren't in humanity's way or plotting against them. In fact, if he saw the Human/Zentradi alliance, he would have fucking kittens mostly because peace denies Khorne power, and the Emperor's long term goal was to starve Chaos into irrelevance.

It's his Imperium that fucked everything up and did exactly everything the Emperor DIDN'T want them to do after he was incapacitated and put on the golden throne...

>>12105376
Emps not telling them anything wasn't all that helpful either

>>12104833
Do variants ever have any differences beyond the head shape?

>>12105376
could Klan and Michael have kids?

Isn't Michael descended from space kangaroos or something?

>>12104680
Most other universes don't have access to alien tech to supplement their development; also most other universes that feature mecha tend to have specific circumstances that make their mecha necessary, as well as limit their options for encounters, which Macross doesn't have, so VFs and the UN Spacy in general constantly get to bring the most effective weaponry to the table in conflicts.

For example; if they found a way to shield against Minovsky particles, we'd be seeing mobile suits carry far more guided ranged weaponry, like micro missiles.

>>12102561
> UN Spacy beat the Tyranid

By the end of Frontier? Probably, unless the deck was very, very stacked against them to the point of absurdity.

Macross has the perfect firepower for fighting massive swarms of enemies.

The UN spacey has fighters capable of tracking and engaging 1024 targets simultaneously.

The Macross Cannons are superdimensional weapons. They do not shoot a beam of energy, they destroy space itself in a line that stretches out a significant distance from the front of the ship. Destroying space releases a lot of energy, enough to blow up starships that were merely near the affected area. So a single Macross Class ship can draw a line straight through the swarm, and anything touching that line is GONE. Not even biomass remains. Everything NEAR that line is 'only' incinerated.

This isn't enough to kill a whole hive fleet in a single shot, but it will take out sizable chunks of the swarm each time, and it is one hit = one kill on the hive ships that the swarm depends on for survival.

On top of that, Pinpoint barriers should be able to tank tyranid bioplasma just fine, and their Fold system is must faster than Tyranid FTL (fast enough that the UN ships should be able to leave whenever they Nids are getting close enough to actually return fire).

Last but not least, we have seen that it is possible to rig up a MDE that can consume a planet whole. Thats enough to cut the heart out of even a large Hive Fleet, and worst case scenario you put one or two of those on an actual planet as bait, killing 90+% of the Hive Fleet when the swarm is busy devouring the planet and all of the hive ships are in orbit for the feeding.

>>12106780
Michael is part Zolan. Which is boggling because 7 says they can't breed with humans.

>>12106778
Only in equipment, like Luca's radar system.

>>12106842
>and worst case scenario you put one or two of those on an actual planet as bait, killing 90+% of the Hive Fleet when the swarm is busy devouring the planet and all of the hive ships are in orbit for the feeding.

> UN Spacy sanctioned Exterminatus
I like this

>>12106893
source on him being zolan?

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>>12107175

Much more effective, actually. An exterminatus usually does not destroy the planet, just renders it lifeless and uninhabitable. There was that one inquisitor that would wipe worlds clean of life ahead of the Hive Fleet to starve it out, but even that wouldn't really kill the fleet so much as prevent it from getting stronger.

A Dimensional Eater bomb does way more than that. Pick related is the first time we ever see it tested, and all it took was a piece of equipment about the size of a truck. They later build warheads that can do the same thing and put them on their planes.

For the record, everything in that purple area? Photoshopped right out of existence. It is basically the Macross version of a Vortex grenade, but way bigger and it doesn't actually send you anywhere.

>>12104972
He wanted humanity to be atheist so they won't need the Chaos Gods. He's pretty dumb in general I'd think, considering while being neutral works in terms of religion in real life, it doesn't when evil gods try to corrupt people. I think the rest of humanity was right to just make him their god.

>>12107307
is that earth?

did they died

>>12107530
>he didn't watch Frontier

>>12107430
Yes the main problem was not coming out in the open with their existence.

Take Magus for example. The whole situation was entirely the Emperor's fault.

He was a terrible father.

>>12107619
many zentradi died to bring us these plans

>>12107307

What would Grace O' Connor and her secret cabal on Macross Galaxy do if they obtained a sample Tyranid? They already have freaky bioengineering tech.

The battle against a Hive fleet would be Battle Frontier/Galaxy warping in and lobbing Dimension Eater bombs mounted on planes and Ghost drones and Macross Cannon shots then quickly warping out. Basically hit and run.

>>12102605
>The Gellar Fields though...
Different warp so no need to

Unless fold-space = immaterium

>>12106893
>Which is boggling because 7 says they can't breed with humans.
It's the future. They have the technology.

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>40k powerlevel bullshit
>Can ever be beaten by anything

>>12108242

Dimension Eater and the smaller portable MDE are more like gravity weapons. Unless the Nids are immune to a black hole then that is something else.

>2059 AD
>using tech from:
>Pratt & Whitney
>Rolls-Royce
>Remington

>>12108240
They would probably comment and how ineficient and weak the Tyranids are and go back to looking for the Vajra are more advance than the Tyranids in every way

>>12108282
I was talking about FTL travel

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>>12108256
/tg/ has discussed this in some depth; both EvE and SupCom could beat 40k, though 40k beats Halo and Star Wars. Star Wars has some advantage in the space travel department, but not so much on the ground. Numbers vary.

It's important to note that 40k isn't what it is so much because the writers are trying to outgrim everything, but because sci-fi writers are almost universally shit with numbers.

On a separate note, early 40k (think Rouge Trader-2E) borrows a whole lot from stuff like Judge Dredd and Dune, though this isn't what created the ridiculous powerlevels of the setting. Stuff like a lasgun punching through a good foot of contemporary concrete has always seemed alright to me. Stuff like a Land Raider having less armor than a modern tank, not so much.

Anyways, I'm more interested in Orks, who are fair game for anything they're up against in every possible way. Good foes, good friends, good attitude, nothin' I don't like about 'em.

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>>12102561
Oh god, definitely. The thing about 40k is that in spite of how powerful and numerous a lot of the shit in it is, it's more focused on quantity than anything, and the tactics they use are very primitive in comparison to a lot of other universes, and Macross has the technology and firepower mixed with superior tactics and mobility that would be a huge advantage against most 40k factions, Tyranid included. Add in that they'd likely have an uneasy alliance with the Tau, and there's a good chance the UN Spacy would be pretty well off in 40k.

So from reading this thread it's save to safe even late UC wouldn't be able to handle the Tryanid?

>>12109666
There isn't a Gundam setting that I can think of that would be able to cope with a single hive fleet.

>>12109666
They don't have the numbers to take on the tyranid.

>>12109690
Given how fast 00 technology advances Its possible epilogue 00 has a pretty good chance if they're mass producing things even remotely as powerful as the movie gundams.

Granted that's a massive if and mankind hasn't even left the solar system yet.

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>>12109666
They could handle the tyranid in smaller doses, but a full on planetary invasion or hive fleet is impossible for them to handle.

UC's entire universe is based on how minovsky particles necessitated a MASSIVE change in combat doctrine. Their way of fighting is actually closer to 40k in that regard, only with far fewer numbers, hence why a lot of conflicts tend to be local to Earth and it's colonies as opposed to 40k or Macross..

>>12109708
Even just movie 00 would stand a decent chance against the smaller hive fleets. That combined Earth military set off some fairly sizable missile volleys at decent range.

Gunbuster - JUST Gunbuster - against the Tyranids.

What happens?

>>12109757
Really it ends up depending on which UC we're talking about. Pre-Victory? They get shit on. Post Victory? Technology overcomes the minovsky clause with the development of degeneracy technologies and photon technologies. Even then everything inbetween Victory and the end of UC is speculation.

Obviously they had military bodies utilizing that technology and newtype tech didn't vanish all together but were fine tuned further as funnel weaponry makes a comeback at some point. When the people chasing UC tech can build a moon sized power plant it really makes you wonder if UC was on the verge of building things like dyson spheres.

>>12109991
/m/ ejaculates

>>12109991
HOMING REZA

>>12109991
Gunbuster solo

Space Monster >>>> Tyranids

>>12108391
>though 40k beats Halo

But Halo beats EvE and SupCom.

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MEANWHILE...

Robuts vs 40k?

IMPORTANT QUESTION:

Armageddon Shin Getter goes through the Eye of Terror

What next

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>>12110130

All downhill from here...

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>>12110141
A series of sheaningans ending with Getter Emperor fighting against a 4 Chaos Gods Voltron supermonster
We never see the end of this fight because LOL IMAGAWA CLIFFHANGER

>>12108240

The Vajira are basically variable figther aliens that can keep up with their mechanical counterparts. That downgrades most tyrannid spawns to "they're large and kinda dangerous, but the Zentradi and Meltrans and a bunch of our pilots are bored anyway."

>>12110158
>can keep up with their mechanical counterparts.
And also evolve quickly enough to render certain weapons outright useless.

>>12109666
But satan, UC has no magic manufacturing capabilities like Macross

Genestealers.

>>12106893
Another source says he is also pat Zentradi. So he is part human part Zolan and part Zentradi.

Which sort of makes sense as mentioned in the Protoculture ruins the Protoculture intended for their seeded races to breed with each other.

>>12109666
Aliens don't exist in UC, so the Tyranids lose by default.
Can't fight a fictional enemy.

>>12110365
You think Gundam and Macross is not fiction?

>>12109991

The Gunbuster itself will survive just fine.

Depending on the nature of the battle, though, the Gunbuster might not be able to save the Earth before the Tyranids nom it.

Without a black hole bomb to take out the fleet in a single mission, the Gunbuster would need to fight all of the space monsters personally. And even if it kills 500 tyranids per second, a regular Hive Fleet has enough bodies that it could split into two fronts: fighting the Gunbuster and invading the Earth.

If even a small number of Tyranids make it to the surface of the Earth, we will never be rid of them. They will either consume the biosphere, or they will be an infestation that we will be constantly fighting for centuries to come.

>>12108391
> both EvE and SupCom could beat 40k, though 40k beats Halo and Star Wars

And Star Trek is a massive ??? because while the normal Federation would be beaten by 40k, the Federation has everything they need to ravage 40k sideways without lube if they ever bothered to use the catalog of doomsday weapons and supertechnologies that they have in their files and can replicate on a whim. The Federation has a tremendous tech advantage, but their ethics leave them vulnerable. Take off the gloves, though, and you will see some serious shit.

>>12110158
>variable figther aliens that can keep up with their mechanical counterparts.
And they pack quite the punch.
The large red type is slightly bigger than the VF-25, iirc, but can keep up with their mobility, and also have a large cannon on their head that can one-shot a non-Macross-class ship

So what is the result of Imperium of Mankind vs Balmar Empire.

Would Kaiser Ephes be able to beat God Emperor of Mankind ?

>>12110851
Balmar could probably beat the Imperium with one Zehirut given enough time. The Emperor of Mankind's one of the least competent fictional leaders ever.

>>12110858

Pretty much. For an immortal who is a master of many disciplines, with a knowledge of history that is unrivaled, and psychic powers to see the future... he sure made some dumb fucking decisions time and time again.

>>12110872
That's what arrogance does, makes people who should know better absolute fuck ups. Malcador should have lead mankind.

>>12110872
The Emperor was too sentimental when it came to his Primarch Son and humanity in general.

>>12110895

Except that doesn't make sense, because he treated EVERYONE like shit.

He screwed over, like, a full third of his primarch sons with petty dickery. We are told that he loved Horus too much to doubt him, but it really comes off more as him deciding early on that Horus was the best and then refusing to believe any evidence to the contrary because he had already made up his mind, damnit. No take backs.

>>12102561
How about we pit Alien again Alien instead of going with the Human vs Alien formula all the time.

What would you think if Invader met Tyranid or Zentradian met Ork

>>12110924
Zentradi Commanders(Britei) are huge and powerful. All the Orks would fall in line with them as their new war bosses.

>>12110936

Yeah, the Ork instinct would be to try to kill him, and make him warboss when they failed.

Especially if they meet any Zentradi with greenish skin.

The zentradi, on the other hand... I don't think they would take advantage of that. They would probably just exterminate the orks whenever they encountered them, because Zentradi before culture don't really do anything but fight.

>>12110924
>What would you think if Invader met Tyranid or Zentradian met Ork

Bigger Tyranids and Orks. Orks can apparently grow really large, so I'd suppose all the fighting would eventually make them the size of Zentradi. The Tyranids can't get that much in terms of new genes out of the Zentradi, though they'd probably just grow more larger bioforms that shoot smaller bioforms to counter them. At least for a while - the additional cost in biomass of that and the Zentradi not giving two fucks about exterminating all life on planets would probably eventually just make the hive fleet move out of their way.

Would the Eldar be able to manipulate the shit out of the N.U.N.S. or would they not fall for their shit?
That's pretty important too. And would Chaos take root, since the machines ran by Macross and Zentradi aren't blessed by the Imperium or anything?

>>12110961
They have already be brainwashed by J-Pop.

>>12104680

Because the strength of their enemies justifies it

>>12107430
>He wanted humanity to be atheist so they won't need the Chaos Gods.

In fairness, while he was doing things with good intentions, he happened to be dead wrong in how the chaos gods are empowered.

>>12110961
>And would Chaos take root, since the machines ran by Macross and Zentradi aren't blessed by the Imperium or anything?

Chaos can't take control of items unless they have been exposed to the warp, or have specifically had demons bound to them by dark rituals.

Chaosfags will claim that Chaos can just possess whatever it wants, but that's simply not how it works. A bundle of twigs falling in the forest that happens to form a crude 8 pointed start does not spill infinity demons out into the world and destroy a whole planet, because without a soul to act as the focus/gateway, even the symbols of chaos are just worthless imagery. They have no power on their own, only the power that their worshipers give them.

So yes, a Valk can be demonically possessed under the right circumstances. The same can be said of any space marine weapon, rock, or pencil. Anything that isn't specifically warded by hexxagrammic magic can be possessed if it is exposed to dark powers, and hexxagrammic wards are rare as shit.

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I always was more of a fan towards small-scale sci-fi universes. Stuff that spans galaxies is either distorted by variables/scale or just too much going on.

One of my favorites was the Warframe universe before the devs shit the bed lore-wise.

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>>12111073
>One of my favorites was the Warframe universe before the devs shit the bed lore-wise.

>Grineer are nolonger the only race of "pure" humans left since the Relay colonies and New Lokha made their genetic-purity struggle worthless
>Tenno are not irradiated hunks of meat in Nihei-style biosuits anymore
>still no explanation for why all Corpus are male and exactly the same
>no explanation for how Void tech works
>no explanation for where the Relay-humans came from

>>12111085
I love the voices for the Corpus Perrin Sequence.

>>12110776
>The Federation has a tremendous tech advantage, but their ethics leave them vulnerable.

Funny that their ethics are the only things that don't leave them vulnerable against the real cosmic terrors that find them a peculiarity because of having such ethics.

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>>12111103
>Their Syndanta is a big wearable corporate logo

I fucking love fighting for a disgusting space-conglomerate

>>12110776

The Federation is almost as OP as the Instrumentaily of Mankind and the latter's basically the Feds with all limiters off on time-travel, population-wide genetic manipulation, psychic warfare, genocide and showmanship.

All these talks of 40k lore made me interested. Is the lore worth a read? Where should I start?

>>12111042
You know, that made me wonder...what about the Protodeviln? IIRC the beings that started the war that destroyed the Protoculture were evil entities from another dimension that could possess people. Sounds like Chaos to me, at least to an extent.

>>12111236

They say that the Cain novels are okay, but in general, it's all commerical fanfic writing. So expect nothing better than the stuff you could actually find for free online a tousand times over and you'll be fine.

Some of the older novels might be fun because they spend a lot of time on space marines eating disgusting crap, farting into each other's faces and musing about whether taking a shit will get them killed by aliens.

>>12111281

While they have superficial similarities, the Protodevlin act and operate much differently.

If anything, the Protodevlin would be the natural predator of chaos. The Protodevlin do not feed off of emotions, they drain and devour mental energy entirely.

In 40k, when you blow up a demon it just dissolves and later re-forms back in the warp. Your broke up its manifestation, but you did little to the demon itself.

But those harvesting beams the protodevlin use, that spiritia based tech... I think that the Protodevlin would OHKO psykers, and any demon hit by a spiritia harvester might be killed for real. Nothing would make it back into the warp, they would just be sucked up and consumed.

In theory, a large enough spiritia harvesting system (like what Gleplenitch was at risk of becoming) could legit kill one of the Chaos Gods. The Chaos Gods are giant vortexes of psychic energy, that should be a spiritia buffet. The only reason the Chaos Gods are considered unbeatable in 40k is because they are the top of their food chain, but the Protodevlin would be like an invasive species.

>>12110924
The entire deal with Invaders is that just touching one can get you infected and I don't think the tyranids have a way to prevent that. That said both species seem to have similar goals: eat everything. So whoever wins, we lose.

>>12110479
>> You think Gundam and Macross is not fiction?
I know they're fiction, it is just that certain things do not exist in their universes.

It's all be said before, if Goku fought a Gundam who would win. Most say Goku would. Well I say a the Gundam would lose only if it was in any other universe but it's own. Because in UC there are no such thing as aliens or even super Saiyans.

Gundam being a more realist type of story, even if they have mobile suits and Newtypes. For the most part Gundam has tried to keep it's universe credibly plausible, unless you want G Gundam, but even that is an alternate Gundam universe.

I say thise with no difference if this was a Star Wars vs Star Trek thread, depending on which universe they meet in, each side would have it's advantage within it's own universe.

>>12111366
Gaunt's Ghosts and the Last Chancers novels are ok.

>>12111865
> Well I say a the Gundam would lose only if it was in any other universe but it's own. Because in UC there are no such thing as aliens or even super Saiyans.

A contradiction occurs. If that is your approach to the situation, the Gundam cannot lose in any of those other settings, because Gundams do not exist there to be capable of losing in the first place.

>>12110156
The last scene is the Emperor in Getter Emperor's cockpit/bridge/whatever yelling "Change, Getter 1!"

>>12111236

As a long time /tg/ resident?

40k has a unique visual style and some legitimately interesting lore setpieces at first glance. The more you learn about it, however, the worse it becomes. It is a setting that is intentionally grand and huge and over the top, looking closely at it reveals nothing but inconsistency and imperfections.

The books detailing the various fronts of the Horus Heresy have basically ruined the Horus Heresy and made all of the mythical, larger than life characters comically inept, petty man children that can only strategize their way out of a paper bag using retcons and plot devices that were made up for the moment and never come up again.

The setting is locked into a very specific period of years, on the verge of shit getting real, and the timeline cannot progress beyond that point for game reasons. However, also for game reasons, every edition they introduce new units and phase out old ones. So every few years they go back and pretend that a whole bunch of stuff either never existed or was there the whole time. They can't really move forward, so all they can do is dick around with the past and present.

>>12112012

Sometimes these rewrites are okay. usually, they are mind bogglingly stupid.

For example, the Necrons in the ancient past somehow fought a galaxy-spanning war against an enemy that could teleport across vast distances using slower than light engines as their only means of space travel. They fought this war in all corners of the galaxy, established colonies and regions under their control, and saw the war to its conclusion... in less than half the time it would take for the very first ships launched to actually reach their destinations and get to the battlefields in the first place.

The fact that the 40k writers have no concept of scale and how space works is stupid. What makes this mind boggling is that in previous editions of the lore this was not a problem, the Necrons had some of the best FTL in the game. Them participating in a galactic war was not an issue.

Then the writers decided to go back and specifically say that the form of FTL the Necrons used was impossible, they never ever had it, and they eventually figured out how to copy the teleportation-based FTL near the end of their war with the immortal dudes... meaning that they were fighting a galactic war without FTL for the vast majority of that conflict.

Because reasons.

Sometimes they will go back and references specific battles, then change their mind in later books as to who won that battle/war.

>>12110924
Delicious looted Q-rau.

>>12111147
Are we just talking about the Q here? The only other thing that comes to mind is Nagilum, and he was from a shit episode anyway.

>>12111236
It varies wildly. Best writing is generally agreed upon as being Dan Abnett, with some other writers whose names I forget also being pretty solid. Gaunt's Ghosts series for infantry stories, Eisenhorn or Ravenor books for the Inquisition (imo some of his most enjoyable work), or Titanicus for the Adeptus Mechanicus, the most /m/ of factions, are all good choices.

>>12112035
I knew the Necron changes were weird, but that's fucking idiotic. This is why I tend to stick to the ancillary storeis rather than anything in the 'main plot' so to speak. Not much chance of some fool ruining Uber Aemos for me.

>>12112012
>The books detailing the various fronts of the Horus Heresy have basically ruined the Horus Heresy and made all of the mythical, larger than life characters comically inept, petty man children that can only strategize their way out of a paper bag using retcons and plot devices that were made up for the moment and never come up again.
I'm not familiar with WH but that sounds painfully like what Magic the Gathering did to Yawgmoth back in the day.

>>12112012
>The setting is locked into a very specific period of years, on the verge of shit getting real, and the timeline cannot progress beyond that point for game reasons. However, also for game reasons, every edition they introduce new units and phase out old ones. So every few years they go back and pretend that a whole bunch of stuff either never existed or was there the whole time. They can't really move forward, so all they can do is dick around with the past and present.

1984

>>12111042
Well, it's possible hexagrammatic wards could be easier for non-40k cultures.

>Star Trek: Federation probably figures out right-quick that certain subspace frequencies allow them to block this shit. Half the Quadrant goes necron-like anti-warp fields by the end of the episode

>Macross already has space-folding and dimensional tech onboard basic fighters before Frontier. Will probably figure something out after some battles. The dimension-eater warheads or whatever they're called that they eventually field will fuck basically anything up.

>R-Type: Space Corps units can handle this shit with ease, given the Warp is a calm and people friendly place compared to the usual vacation spots. Biggest danger would be getting a major Bydo into Warp; given the two things properties there's a chance the assimilation/consumption might just ripple across the entire chaos-hellscape which would basically mean the Eye of Terror wakes up and starts attacking. As in literally. Probably starts ejaculating all over the galactic core while preparing to mount Andromeda or something.

>>12110141
>TFW We'll never see SRW vs. 40K
>TFW We won't have a shot of the Mecha doing the classic Getter Dragon/Gunbuster pose.
>TFW we won't see a opening slavo of the SDF-1, Frontier & Macross 7 firing their main cannons.

So how fucked would Muv Luv earth be if you replaced the BETA with one small Tyranid Hive fleet?

>>12109666
couldn't a MS with the wings of light just fly around and completely fuck up a hive fleet almost by itself?

>>12114211
Well the BETA are objectively the worst hivemind alien in all of fiction, so very very fucked.

>>12111169
steel meridian here.

fucking corpus shill, why don't you help "these people" out?

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>>12114249
>BETA
>worst than tyranids

>>12114823
It takes the 'nids all of a couple months to eat a planet.
BETA take fucking decades and they only get a couple continents.

Face it, bub. BETA suck at bug things.

>>12111085

I just keep telling myself that what we see of the Grineer and Corpus are just their militaries - kind of like an antagonistic army (Grineer/Corpus) marching into another nation (a colony of baseline humans who survived the shitfest of whatever it was before the Queens/Corpus Concil got their shit together) and putting the majority of them to work. Making a guess, Corpus have a council and the Grineer top brass are presumably not just baseline clones; most of their bosses have individual faces (barring Tyl), except that they are probably open to merit-based promotions (hence Vor). While they do have baseline humans under them, you presumably don't see them because of gameplay reasons, what with infiltrating what are presumably military-run locations (exceptions being places like the Saturn planetary tilesets). Surprisingly, the Grineer get tileblocks for shipboard bunks that always spawn as dead-end markers in Invasion missions; I'd have expected that for the Corpus first. End of it all, the Syndicates are just former colonies of people who managed to scrape together enough shit to get on the run from the territories already capped by the main Grineer or Corpus factions (the ones you fight for 99% of the time).

The only bad point is that you can really tell that they're pushing anything lore-related to the backburner; for example the Primed Warframe data entries are stupidly meta (Number of polarity slots? Really?) with the exception of Mag and Rhino (Ember reuses the non-Primed version's lore bits, if I recall correctly).

>>12114823
-9/10, you must disguise your troll better.

>>12112196
I've got a mental image of all sides in realspace freaking out as a gigantic mega-Dobkeratops flies towards the EoT, and just as it's about to pop out, the Space Corps appear and the player character proceeds to shove the charged-up bow of his/her Niflheim right through the warp gate, pointing towards the Dobkeratop's face.

>>12112075
>Are we just talking about the Q here? The only other thing that comes to mind is Nagilum, and he was from a shit episode anyway.

No, there was also that episode where he comes that being of thought: The Survivors.

>>12111956
Haven't you ever noticed when crossover stories happen, one side or the other is nerfed. You actually think even for Gundam series a Gundam RX-78 has a fighting chance against the God Gundam?

So by that logic if you were to put Tyranid or Super Sayains into the UC Gundam universe where they do not exist, they would only end up being nerfed because of it.

The only way to make it a really fair fight would be for both forces to meet in a neutral universe, where both sides would be nerfed. And whatever forces in the universe they are in would have the advantage.

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The Imperium is known to defeat hive fleets with technology that amounts to a fucking enormous railgun, often without machinery to reload it. At their best, they will have relatively high powered lasers.

I'm sure the UN Spacy could pull it off given enough time.

>>12114936
Scariness of the Niflheim class planet-buster aside, the EoT would totally turn into a giant version of the Seed from Delta.

Although something barely bigger than a Lightning fighter (dwarfed nearly 3x over by fury interceptors that are actually used by the imperium in space) capable of ranges similar to battleship lances but with more power and several dozen times the rate of fire is probably the scariest bit there.

I mean, 40k entities EXPECT big ships; it's the tiny little gnats pretending they're a battlecruiser'broadside a couple of times a minute that's going to drive them up the walls.

>>12115436
Actually, the non-Gundam-Fight gundams tend to make a pretty weak universe overall even within their own.

The machines tend not to be particularly strong or fast, except in comparison to what is there. Yes, they have powerful beams. Yes, one of them is three times faster than the other. But that mobile suit is only more powerful than the local tanks because the moment someone built any kind of vehicle with two legs, every non-biped engineer and designer in the solar system was summarily executed or simply whisked away to a different reality. By the time the first combat-capable mobile suit rolls around, shit like tanks and aircraft are already a generation or two behind. And they'll never get better, because not one penny of funding will ever go their way any longer.

It's why, like 40k, the Gundam universes tend to do quite poorly in any matchup, whether because some Variable-Fighter's is running orbits around a char-custom or because STOONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR SUUUUUUUUUNSHAAAAAAINNNNU.

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>>12108391
>>Stuff like a Land Raider having less armor than a modern tank, not so much.

This image pisses off 40kids on /tg/ like no other. I haven't used it in a couple years but the last time I did it spawned a 200 post argument.

>>12111236
Everyone on /tg/ jizzes over the Eisenhorn trilogy and I barely made it through the first book. If that is one of the better series than it is pretty much shit.

>>12115837
40k armor and the IG is based on WW1 mostly.

>>12115767
Alternatively, Slaneesh sees a chance and takes over the Seed of Terror and, well, I expect that it will involve dick nipples at the very least, what with combining distilled reproductive instinct with debauchery given form...

>>12116112
Unlikely chance though. Big problem with those things is they nom thoughts and brainwaves like caramel popcorn.

Insidious chaos thoughts worm their way into that bydo and boom, they've been replaced by more bydo.

>>12115249
That guy didn't obliterate the Federation because of his own disgust at his actions, not because of anything they did. Though now I'm reminded of that guardian of the Tkon empire that might qualify.

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>>12111236
Play Dawn of War. Original, Winter Assault, Dark Crusade. Soulstorm if you want, it does introduce Sisters and Dark Eldar and has some hilariously goofy dialogue and writing in regards to Baneblades. I'd personally say to skip DOWII, as I was not impressed, but there's no harm in playing it if you want.

Read up on the fluff from the codex stuff too, it's the most canonical, as far as 40k has canon. If you're familiar at all with White Wolf games, there's a similar propaganda/biased narrative element to most of 40k's fluff.

As >>12115879 says, Eisenhorn is kind of overrated but you might like it if you can deal with pulp. Similarly, Gaunt's Ghosts and Ciaphas Cain are fun, though those tend to be a little... inconsistent in their accuracy to setting lore. There's a few particularly bad examples in the second or third Cain book, but seeing as how they're basically comedy and I'm not fucking autistic, it didn't bother me much.

Above all, just keep in mind that 40k has its roots in camp and parody, and no matter how seriously GW tries to present it, and no matter how dense the content gets, you will have much more fun if you don't take it too seriously and just roll with the ridiculous bullshit the setting throws around.

Oh, and avoid C.S. Goto like you'd avoid the company commissar.

>>12115879
Everyone on /m/ jizzed over Majestic Prince and it's the only series I couldn't keep my eyes open through. Doesn't make it shit necessarily.

>>12116313
>>12115879

Let's face it, 4chan as a whole generally jizzes over what they like, not what is necesarily good. You've not going to get Dostoevsky out of anime and a tabletop's lore novels.

>>12116354
I fucking love Crime and Punishment holy fucking shit

I dunno, do we know the full scale of NUNs? We know there are at least ~20 functional battle class ships, a shitton of quarters and support craft, but their whole thing was spreading humanity as far apart as possible, wasn't it? I guess they could take out the small fleets, but anything bigger would be trouble

>>12115837
How does that make them mad exactly? Do they think their shit is leagues above an Abrams?

>>12116360
I don't think exact numbers are ever given, but it's been highly explosive growth: The Megaroad class ships were pretty much outpaced by the New Macross class (better FTL, etc) of which there's at least 13. Macross 7 is the 37th colonization fleet, and there's already worlds like Eden by then, with FTL comms and mass production approaching "star trek:TNG-onwards" levels; a good example being just how quickly new designs get spread across the fleet (was what, WEEKS for half the galaxy to start fielding microdimension-eaters on everything they have?).

Macross Galaxy (the Galaxy fleet from frontier) is the 51st colonization fleet: 9th "large scale" emigration, 21st of the New Macross class.

>>12116371
In those words... yes.
Dunno if that's what this guy is referring to specifically but I remember that picture bringing about some really sketchy attempts at claiming it's very different conventional steel (RHA quite literally being conventional steel armor), and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some "our kilometers are different" thrown in as well.

>>12116371
40k tech is notoriously terribad. Even what advanced stuff they have tends to fall far short of modern capabilities. Their super-advanced targeting systems don't even amount to what you've got on modern gear either.

We don't have dimensional FTL yet, but when we do, it'll be leaps and bounds beyond what the imperium has... Probably from the start. We don't have plasma cannons yet, but when we do, it'll be leaps and bounds beyond what the imperium has.... Probably from the start. We don't have antigrav yet, but... you get the picture.

>>12116401
To be fair, it's shit on purpose due to (semi-justifiable) paranoia. Explains the imperium in general, really.

>>12116313

MJ was a pretty solid show that put good focus on the maintainace and pilot support aspect, which was rather remarkable. The story ain't nothing to write home about though and the characters were at best inoffensive.

>>12110329
This. This is about the only real weapon the Tyranid have against the UN Spacy.

Get a genestealer cult within their higher ranks and shit might get complicated for them...

>>12116509
Indeed. It's just that far too many people do not understand that. They basically buy into the religious shit being fed to the people IN the setting.

Reality is, The only thing the Imperium has going for it is numbers. Millions of worlds with Billions on each, such that there'll probably always be a few humans left. Most other settings have not come close to this level of overbreeding, and for the most part would not need to.

Problem is numbers don't much help when the only thing your biggest, most powerful battleships have over damn near any other setting is how long it takes to get from one end of it to the other. Especially not when your performance compares disfavorably to something a hundred-thousandth of the mass and resource-costs.

This is why the Culture fans see those "would 40k this setting" and wonder if a solo GSV would be enough to 'Fix' the Warp or if it needs a bit more Gravitas.

This is why the R-Type fans like to joke that they know exactly what the Tyranid were running for their lives from when they came upon the galaxy (or why they look at a battleship's nova cannon, then back at their starfighter and confidently state "mine's bigger")

This is why Star Trek fans look at those giant vessels and think to themselves "boy, the imperium is REALLY bad at building gigantic really weak shuttles".

Even Micheal Bay fans look at 40k and think "Boy. Those explosions are really weak and sparse. That's terrible characterization for such critical story characters"

>>12116565
>Reality is, The only thing the Imperium has going for it is numbers. Millions of worlds with Billions on each, such that there'll probably always be a few humans left. Most other settings have not come close to this level of overbreeding, and for the most part would not need to.

Basically. The NUN has just as much force to fight a galaxy-spanning war as the Imperium, the difference is they won't suck at it.

>>12116602
Planet-buster weapons available for fighters since the Sturmvogel.

Dimension-Eater warheads by the end of Frontier have become goddamn machinegun ammo. The full sized ones are as stated by anon earlier: "That planet was never there".

Even the "Fuck you, space collapses along this axis, and also the whole region is bathed in plasma from the energy released when "Spacetime Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno" gets used" Rifles (aka "macross cannon") start being fielded on fighters by that point.

Fighters that can jump across the galaxy quick and safe.

Does the NUN also take into account the absolutely massive Zentraedi and Meltrandi armadas out there?

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>>12111236
Honestly, if you just want to get a basic look into the lore, watch the Vaults of Terra videos. You can find the important videos here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tISxHCjvYNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnlQTk_6sq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGeG7rafz3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTwRFvpP8T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cktIi-4qkWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ_WBEU9_e4

And for a more thread-related vid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5l5WoSiN1U

>>12116642
No, those left that haven't outright mixed with earth seem to be separate entities, though how many are around/left is anyone's guess.

>>12116371
Not the poster of the picture, but when the shitty tank armor is mentioned fanboys claim its plasteel or something more durable than regular steel.

>>12116625
>Planet-buster weapons available for fighters since the Sturmvogel.
Hoy? I only remember the 22 having reaction missiles, which while implied to be of the "fuck you, city" strategic level, are a long ways short of planet-busting. Something in one of the games?

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>>12102561
Considering how fast and well-armed their Variable Fighters can be, they'd be able to target hive fleet weak points rather easily.

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Reaction weaponry is pretty effective at completely destroying bio matter, and everyone and their mother in UN Spacy come with those especially after the MDE refit.

Oh and did I mention UN Spacy is really good at organised large fleet battles?

>>12115837
I'm going to have to bring this to the Miniature Pages. We have a few 40K apologists there, but most of them are realists and even question the idea of hover tanks.

It should be noted with all these sci-fi universes specializing in one area more than others, it should be no surprise that some will excel better than others.

The real funny thing is if we looked at the reality of how weapons tech goes, all these sci-fi would get wiped out by what ever truly comes along.

>>12117539

It doesn't hurt that Macross is one of the few settings that actually beats 40k at its own game: scale and numbers.

Simply put, the Zentradi fleet that showed up SDF Macross alone has enough naval capacity to rival a galactic power in 40k.

When the Imperium of Man assembled a crusade to attack an alien empire of 100 worlds, they sent less than 20 capital ships. Granted, that was not exactly a large scale crusade by imperial standards, but 20 capital ships is something the Zentradi would consider a scouting party. Their warfleet is utterly huge, and densely packed.

A Zentradi faction legitimately has enough of presence and firepower that they stand a reasonable chance of completely overwhelming Holy Terra, the simple best defended solar system in the 40k galaxy. Even if they failed, they would deal a fatal blow to the Imperium of Man from which it would never recover (given the many enemies that would take advantage of the moment of weakness) and while that fleet of Zentradi would be done for, their failure would not impact the hundreds of other Zentradi fleets in any way.

>>12118415
>their failure would not impact the hundreds of other Zentradi fleets in any way.
> hundreds

Try thousands. There are estimated between 1000 and 2000 other Zentradi fleets elsewhere in the Galaxy after Space War One, many of them comparable to the 4.8 Million Ship fleet that Bodozela commanded.

I don't think 40k has ever had 4.8 million ships in one place EVER, unless you start counting Tyranids and fightercraft.

>>12118443
Unless the Macross fleet had to fight a battle in the Lensman universe. How do you deal with Nega-sphere or a Nth Space planet?

And the fleets in Lensman seemed equally huge as well. And better coordinated thanks to the Z9MZ.

But a Galactic Patrol fleet would just as likely side with a Macross fleet anyways.

>>12118508

I was specifically talking about 40k.

Obviously, Lensman wins if we bring it into the conflict. Lensman could probably beat Demonbane, given time to ram up the arms race again.

>>12115889
>oh_look_this_bullshit_again.exe

>>12107307
>Removing undesirable elements and leaving the planet intact enough to be re-terraformed.
Vs
>Physically erasing an entire planet and all its resources
>Much more effective
Not really, just much more destructive. There's a reason The Imperium doesn't build a fucking death star, it's because blowing up planets is incredibly stupid, wasteful, and energy-intensive. It's easier and much more practical to leave it intact and lifeless.

>>12118573
>Removing undesirable elements and leaving the planet intact enough to be re-terraformed.

Actually, only Virus Bombs do this, and those would be the absolute worst form of Exterminatus to use to deny planets to the Tyranids, because they explicitly leave some organic compounds behind after all is said and done.

Cyclonic Torpedos and other forms of Exterminatus generally destroy all water on the planet and remove all atmosphere. The world is not just lifeless, but incapable of supporting life ever again. Very poor targets for re-terraforming, but I suppose not impossible for a a mining base or two for surviving mineral deposits.

The tactical difference between Exterminatus and a MDE is that the goal of the Exterminatus is to prevent the planet from being food for the Tyranids. Performing an Exterminatus requires extensive orbital weapons use, so by the time the Tyranids are actually there and eating the planet it is almost always impossible to perform because the bugs are eating your ships.

A MDE bomb can be set up ahead of time and then set off when the nids draw near, destroying the planet in its entirety, but also a large portion of the Tyranid hive fleet that is in orbit around the planet.
Using an MDE in space away from a planet is always going to be preferable, but using a planet as bait to catch the whole hive fleet in one go is certainly not outside of the realm of possibility.

>>12102561
>a good example being just how quickly new designs get spread across the fleet (was what, WEEKS for half the galaxy to start fielding microdimension-eaters on everything they have?).
And Frontier themselves managed to refit all their machine guns, missiles, cannons, etc, to run on MDE pretty damn quickly. Don't forget the replacement of all reaction missiles into MDE missiles.
And thats done on their own, purely effort from the fleet's manufacturing facilities.
If they are ever in a galaxy-wide battle, each fleet could easily send a fleet worth of ships and VFs down to a battle somewhere. Not to mention Earth having a Factory Satellite for extreme mass-production.

>>12111085
>Tenno are not irradiated hunks of meat in Nihei-style biosuits anymore
What are they now then?

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>>12102561

Fleets in Macross are huge with ridiculous weaponry. Even SMS, the private military company has their own fleet.

How are the Nids are going to tackle Macross Galaxy + Grace O' Connor controlled Vajra Queen and fleet?

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>>12119456

Ghost drones launching from Battle Galaxy.

Since the Macross universe has crazy manufacturing capability, the Ghosts can be mass produced equipped with MDE guns and missiles.

>>12119456
>How are the Nids are going to tackle Macross Galaxy + Grace O' Connor controlled Vajra Queen and fleet?
In 40k, and especially with the 'nids, the answer is always "en masse". I'm not saying they would win, but if Macross is capable of being overwhelmed by sheer numbers, the 'nids are the ones to do it.

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>>12118717
>>12119456
>>12119462
>there are people on this board right now that think UC Gundam stands a chance against Macross

>>12119906
Obviously what we need to see, then, is the recombined EFAA/Granzera forces (whom ALSO have utterly ridiculous production capabilities given massive multi-dreadnought fleets are sometimes launched as "a transport with a wing of arrowheads and a morning glory"
...
vs Macross.

Do Macross machines have any sort of AI? because those tend to get possessed by demons in 49k, unless your race has a weak warp signature (i.e. Tau)

>>12121238
Not after Sharon Apple.

>>12121272
Later model Ghosts have AI, they're just shackled.

>>12121238
Even then the 40k AIs don't so much get possessed as the rest of the machine slowly eventually gets so.

Let's just say it's very easy for SHODAN levels of fucked-in-the-head to be programmed in when sociopathic murderbots with superstitious delusions are the PEOPLE writing the code.

>>12121412
Also there's literally daemonic computer viruses still around from the information warfare of the Heresy, not to mention possible remnants from the war against the Iron Men.

>>12102561
Oh, the hive fleet would be toast. The imperium deals with rhis shit all the time with tech so outdated, it's ridiculous. NUNS has ordinance that can fuck entire planets on a whim, while the Imperium has to use entire fleets for exterminatus.

And the for missions/tasks too dangerous for human pilots, the NUNS can easily field Ghost fighters.

>>12110121

How would Halo beat SupCom? SupCom has infinite armies, extreme tech, quantum gating and the Black Sun, an OP godmode universe destroyer

>>12110121
Have you seen EvE?
The Russians alone could wreck the UNSC fleet.