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7 years ago (circa boxing day 2007), we were giving a glimpse at Macross Frontier. It's been 7 years, /m/. How has your opinion on the show changed over the 7 years? Do you like it more than you did while it aired or less? Also, I plan on streaming the entire series.

>that feel when no more nyan nyan nyan posting
>that feel when no more Sheryl vs Ranka thread
>that feel when no more Sky end jokes
>that feel when no anon to do the math on Klan's tits
>that feel when no more Macross F music
>that feel when no more jokes about space aids
>that feel when we won't ever get another year of the dead snipers.
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There's always the new Macross coming up.
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I watched it when it was airing but I gave up on the discussion threads.
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>>11955655
I remember digging the fuck out of the preview ep.
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>>11955671
The version of Ai oboete imsuka that is used in the deculture version is GOAT.
>>11955668
>not going to animesuki for a good laugh
You missed out.
>>11955663
But it won't be the same.
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>>11955703
Stuff like animesuki is either uninteresting or hurts the brain. I don't get pleasure by seeing people do that.
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I rewatched portions of the TV series and parts of the movies recently.

I would say the TV series wasn't as good this time around, some of the story elements were a bit too out of nowhere. The action scenes still looked pretty good though, I still enjoyed those.
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I absolutely hated it when it was airing, but I've warmed up to it a bit since then thanks to its action choreography and soundtrack arguably rivaling Plus. I still wouldn't rate it above okay at best though.
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>>11955655
Finished watching Wings of Goodbye today. I really enjoyed it. Oddly enough I found the idol "music videos" interesting to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKlQ7WDbs5s
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>>11955784
What's odd about that? The concerts in the movie versions of Frontier are stellar
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>>11955810
Because /m/ is always getting so butthurt about idol stuff that I found it funny I really enjoyed them. There's some really neat animation going on there.
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Why is she the best plane?
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The Durandal is a goddamn sexy VF and you guys know it.
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>>11955655
I really loved Frontier, it was a gorgeously animated CGI fest that made popular shows at the time like Code Geass look like shit and the movies looked even better.

the universe itself felt really lived in and grounded in reality; it was just a sleek, relaxed future city that kept the lolpolitics to the minimum and even made high school SoL scenes bearable. the characters were diverse and entertaining without pandering to too many fetishes and archetypes. While Alto was bland at times he was far from a useless lump and was always quick to take action and played the role of high school student-turned-professional soldier better than untold numbers of others.

the mecha designs were a quantum leap from previous shows but still recognizable while the battles were never lacking in good combat choreography (which was refreshing from Gundam 00's ugly beam spam and DBZ-tier hand-to-hand combat). it also had a really solid ending with a resolute conclusion that relied on a Double Daedalus Attack, Trench Run and Railgun to the face more than some handfisted UNDERSTANDING garbage.
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>>11956452
I wouldn't mind more slice of life stuff if it's similar to Frontier's. I liked how the main Skull team in this series actually felt like friends instead of coworkers.
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>>11956452
while the Frontier movies were a good follow-up to show its obvious that Kawamori was given a bit too much intellectual liberty with how much emphasis was shifted towards the Idol side of the plot. it was fine in the series when it was an important part of the larger story but the movies made his Idoru fetish really obvious which honestly is hardly an industry worth celebrating. The 24 episode AKB48 commercial just made things worse, to the point that im actually pretty apprehensive about any new Macross project helmed by Kawamori.

stupid conspiracy angle did nothing good either besides produce the sexy Black Ops EX Gear soldiers.

one thing i think Frontier was really lacking in was atmospheric battles to really show off the flight capabilities of the VF-25's, unlike the anachronistic nonsense in Macross Zero.
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>>11956519
AKB0048 was pretty fine. It was supposed to be an aidoru anime, and Kawamori gave us space aidoru with mechs and everything.
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I enjoyed Frontier a lot more than I thought I would. Kanna's orchestral pieces really drew me in and the battle scenes were nice.

It just irked me a bit that just about everything was a call out to another Macross. Also 25th anniversary guys. VF-25, Macross Quarter, Ranka is 25% Zentradi, 25th Expedition Fleet. MACROSS IS 25 I GET IT
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>>11957079
NO YOU DON'T YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF ITS 25NESS
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>>11957079
Don't forget the first episode with the students doing Isamu's plane hand thing.
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This cameo was pointless.
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>>11955997
VF-4 is still the best too me.
>>11956452
Apart from Sheryl and the mécha, the thing that I really loved about Macross was the frontier itself. I can't think of an animé world/city that's drawn me in as much as frontier.
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>>11957079
I never realisedid the Macross quarter...
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Founds this on the Macross wiki. Interesting it has the micro missiles on the wing hardpoints despite never equipping them in the show.
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>>11959308
I really don't like the VF-4. Its design just feels so inelegant. The proportions are wonky, and none of the lines seem to match. It ends up looking like a weird kitbash.
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>>11955810
I preferred the tv series concert scenes, actually. The movie ones were too over the top, and ended up feeling more like an acid trip than a concert.
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>>11959406
But it's the future! We have holograms and machinery that defy the square cube law!

We are going to use these advantages to make the most spectacular and craziest concert you've ever seen and you will like it!
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>>11959308
The backgrounds of Frontier constantly remind me why Satelight is the best studio for Macross, they're too good at drawing backgrounds.

Of course, the fantastic concerts as well.
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Dropped it partway through and never looked back.
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>>11959605
That makes a really nice background, thanks.
>>11959653
Your loss.
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>>11956452
>was a gorgeously animated CGI fest that made popular shows at the time like Code Geass look like shit and the movies looked even better.
Stopped reading there
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>>11959653
Smart move. Didn't miss much.
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>>11959686
>>11959653
>>11959695
We now know who the shitposters are.
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>>11956452
>Frontier
>good looking
>good characters
>good resolution

Top fucking kek
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>>11959700
>Have an opinion
>Gets called a shitposter
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>>11959700
Whoever has the opposite opinion as yours?
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>>11956452
>the mecha designs were a quantum leap from previous shows but still recognizable while the battles were never lacking in good combat choreography (which was refreshing from Gundam 00's ugly beam spam and DBZ-tier hand-to-hand combat).
Funny because I can't remember a single fucking battle from Frontier sonce they were mostly boring missle spam and LAZER shows while I can recall several battles from Code Geass and Gundam 00.
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>>11959710
>>11959718
>>11959727
Samefag
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I've still never seen it
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>>11959746
How pathetic
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>>11959743
>Funny because I can't remember a single fucking battle from Frontier sonce they were mostly boring missle spam and LAZER shows while I can recall several battles from Code Geass and Gundam 00.
So you can only remember fights if they have cool swords huh? Me too bro. *unsheathes katana respectfully*
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>>11959787
>actions

You sure told him
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>>11959718
>caring this much
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female lead when?
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>>11959958
Maybe in Delta. Mylene was the closest we got.
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>>11959958
>>11959964
Yeah...she'll be an idol singer
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>>11959964
You know, I thought about it and I can't really put into words how okay I'd be with a female VF pilot MC and one of the two love interests being a super bishonen lead of a TM Revolution-like band.
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>>11959979
I'm 100% into that.
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>>11955655
still my all around favorite anime to this day.

Maybe I'm biased towards Sheryl though.
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>>11959676
Well, if you don't want tiny Ranka to ruin the background, here's one without her. Had to go through frame-by-frame to get the perfect one.

Really though, any of the backgrounds in the movies are easily wallpaper material.
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>>11959984
Indeed, Sheryl best girl in franchise.
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>>11959984
>still my all around favorite anime to this day.
Get some godamn tastes!
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>>11959979
I can imagine it already. Our female VF pilot is a new recruit swept up in the current war and she's crushing on her squadron leader and the same time she meets a famous but humble lead singer of a rock band.
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>>11959979
>>11960012
So basically EVOL
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>>11960021
Haven't seen it but sure?
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>>11959984
>still my all around favorite anime to this day
It's a decent show but come on, it's not even the best Macross.
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>>11960068
Why don't you tell us your favorite Macross and then we can attack your opinion too? Sounds fair. Really, man why do you care? Let people enjoy what they like. We're all Macross fans here (I assume) let's not fight over silly things like this.
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>>11960087
Fuck you
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>>11959676
I wish the Valkyries had 2D like that rather than CGI. That looks much better than what we got in Frontier.
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>>11960118
Maybe not exactly like that. Some of the lines aren't straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XFF_YAzMpw4
This will be the closest thing to the VF-25 being hand drawn.
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>>11960118
I wouldn't want to risk the QUALITY though.
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>>11959350
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>>11959743
Alto vs. Pixie Team's training mission, odd that they put so much effort into new animation for it but most other fights in the show paled in comparison, hell it was better than most of the new stuff in the movies.
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>>11959746
Wow, someone doesn't have a opinion like yours and you call them a faggot.
Nice.
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>>11960087
Disagreeing with his opinion and expressing my disagreement isn't attacking him.

For the record, my favorite Macross is SDF and my all around favorite anime is Tekkaman Blade. Let the attacking commence.
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>>11960146
The movies had some decent animation for their fights too.
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>>11960199
I like how they show the difference in power between the 2 modes of the gunpod.
>full auto mode takes a while to destroy a Ghost
>semi-auto takes em out in one shot, provided they hit
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>>11959984
>>11960003
Mah niggas
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>>11960191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nP2vYO24k
sdf had terrible animation even for 1982 standards
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>>11960333
Well, it also had fairly gud animation too.

See pic.
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>>11960333
Hey now, there are some really good animation in the series. It's just that the scenes done by the Koreans were a shit.
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Anybody want me to drop some Macross concept art designs and shit?
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>>11960535
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>>11960538
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>>11960545
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>>11960548
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>>11960555
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>>11960570
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>>11960558

>VF1 Cockpit4.png
>says YF-19 in image
>is visibly a YF-19 cockpit, VF-1 cockpits don't look like that

wut.jpg
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>>11960588
And to the guy in >>11960585, terribly sorry, must have had a wonky in my brain.
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>>11960598
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>>11960614
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>>11960616
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>>11960627
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>>11960627
>shedding fast pack
But that's the Armored pack.
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>>11960635
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>>11960642


>>11960641
Well tits, I mass saved all of these around midnight one night and wasn't in the most alert of mind states.

Thanks for the correction, mate.
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>>11960647
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>>11960653
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>>11960660
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>>11960676
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>>11960685
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>>11955655
>>that feel when we won't ever get another year of the dead snipers.
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>>11960695
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>>11960690
>VF1 Valk2
But that's the 19
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>>11960702

>>11960707
goddamit, it's happened again.
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>>11960713
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>>11960720
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>>11960723
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>>11960727
What next? Queadluuns, Destroids, or starships?
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>>11960740
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>>11960743
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I never liked Macross Frontier. Hopefully they don't fuck up the new show.
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>>11960747
You'll hate it anyway.
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>>11960756
But I want to like it. You are probably right but I"ll give it a fair chance.
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>>11960760
It's not cool to like things anymore, you have to be a bandwagon hater these days or you're just some kind of shitter sellout with bad comprehension and no taste.
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>>11960797
Sadly, that's accurate.

Now is the era of the faggot, where the sky is purple with raining dildos.
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>>11960797
I like the original and + I don't bandwagon.
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>>11960802
>he calls it the original
>doesn't like the newer stuff
>claims to not be bandwagoning
Sure...
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I know we are not authorized to like things that are too popular, because they are obviously overhyped pile of shit, but I still like Macross Frontier and I haven't watched the movie because they feel like opportunistic merchandising.

Everything in Macross Frontier was good except three thing :
- Slightly rushed plot-line, certainly because of that one/two fan-service episode.
- Cast LOOK slightly too young to my taste, however that's always been a problem of anime trying to use schooler as main character in serious affair. It doesn't help that Alto is indeed fit to be a Kabuki actre...or
- Klan Klan, I have nothing against the genetic bullshit they pulled, but you overdid that man... you could have her not aging older and still have Michael not wanting to go serious since they wouldn't age the same.


Now, my secret reason to keep with the series is that for once the MC choose a WIN-WIN-WIN situation and not some stupid mandatory shipping first-girl/best-girl.
Think about it : At the end of the show he can fly in a real planet atmosphere like any /m/an would with their toys. THEN he got two girls who DO NOT ASK HIM TO CHOOSE ! They are COMPETING for him and not seemingly expecting him to chose ! He can certainly nail both if he play his card right.
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>>11961437
>they feel like opportunistic merchandising.
Not really.
They're quite a decent alternate route to the story, if you say so.

I think Ranka was slightly taller in the movies.
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>>11961437
>Everything in Macross Frontier was good \
>CG
>writing
>characters
>story
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>>11961437
>not some stupid mandatory shipping first-girl/best-girl.
Thats because hime IS best girl.
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So I'm currently watching SDF and while I like the show I'm getting tired of Minmay being shoved into everything (like the battle for Earth becoming a pop concert). From what I've gathered from these threads the other shows aren't much different in that regard, so I'm wondering if there's maybe an OVA or something that focuses on the space-carrier aspects.
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>>11960517
Thanks for these
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>>11961516
Just watch 7. It looks worse than SDF, but it's better, trust me.
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>>11961516
Plus and Zero would be more to your liking
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>>11961535
I wonder how many hours did Alto wasted programming a macro just for that.
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>>11961519
>>11961529

Thanks guys, I'll give those a try.
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>>11961548
The anon is lying about 7. I like it, but you definitely won't
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>>11961541
I think the machine can do motion tracing to an extent.
The final episode where Alto grabbed the sniper rifle Klan threw at him? We immediately see Alto in his cockpit doing the same action.
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>>11961586
I'm not lying. After I watched SDF, I actually made a "what the fuck did I just watch" thread on /m/ about it. Everybody told me to stay away from 7, but I watched it and liked it. Basara>Minmei.
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>>11956519
>Idol

Oh no, Kawamori emphasized the part of the show that was making money hand over fist instead of the robot stuff which has been on a steadily declining for a decade now.

As much as I like toys n' shit, Macross's success has been hitched to music and girls for a lot longer than people realize. Macross 7 was a big hit in its day and still continues to garner fans thanks to its music the fact is launched the career of a popular musician. Frontier was just following in its footsteps with Japan's god given IDOL power.
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To me the first SDF Macross is the over hyped thing with nostalgia-google or not.

It sure gave us the recipe fort a very interesting franchise, but in itself it didn't knew what it was. A Parody ? Serious ? A space opera about war ? about culture ?

didn't help it was 42~ episode long.
In the end Macross DYRL summed up everything that was really important in it, better.
- Love triangle
- Pop Music
- Variable Fighter & Macross Missile Massacre that go with it

The rest is pure concentration of small sci-fish details we like
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>>11961678
>didn't help it was 42~ episode long.
Where did you find those extra 6 episodes!!!???
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>>11961678
>macross missile massacre

Stop. Now.
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>>11961754
Sweet, more irrational hatred for stuff that doesn't matter.
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>>11961541
>>11961599
Probably a similar BDI system to the VF-22, after 12 years the cost has probably dropped even further.
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>>11961678
>Macross Missile Massace

10/10

Unless you are actually trying to make people mad, the preferred nomenclature is Itano Circus.
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>>11961822
I really, really would like to know why you get your panties in a bunch over it. Are your hearts so fragile that you go "NO, NAME IT THE WAY I LIKE IT!" instead of just letting go?
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>>11961628
>Oh no, Kawamori emphasized the part of the show that was making money hand over fist instead of the robot stuff which has been on a steadily declining for a decade now.

please, Gundam rakes in hundreds of millions of dollars and Unicorn is essentially the highest selling anime off all time. those that see it as some sort of dying genre arnt looking at any of the real data.

IDORUS are just one-hit-one wonder fapping fuel that are easily replaceable and spend their entire careers getting exploited by the people above them. AKB0048 was hardly a top-seller and produced almost no merchandise; whatever brand-recognition it may have garnered for the AKB group was easily overshadowed by their one song in Wreck It Ralph and made all of Kawamori's creepy efforts pointless.
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>>11961822
Oh please ! the correct nomenclature would be to dissociate Itanos Circus from Macross Missile Massacre.

10/10
you made me answer and made someone mad

>>11961687
Ah.... true
guess it was too long even for the studio.
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>>11961892
>IDORUS are just one-hit-one wonder fapping fuel that are easily replaceable and spend their entire careers getting exploited by the people above them.
Those are 3D idorus. 2D idorus have bro-ducers and surprisingly good animation.

>>11961891
>I really, really would like to know why you get your panties in a bunch over it. Are your hearts so fragile that you go "NO, NAME IT THE WAY I LIKE IT!" instead of just letting go?
"Macross Missile Massacre" is a TVtropes phrase. TVtropes actually used to be a nice little website until it got popular (sometime in early 2011 IIRC) at which point it became a carcinogenic hellhole. Using TVtropes language is disliked for the same reason that emotes, signatures and motivational images are.

>>11961931
>Ah.... true
>guess it was too long even for the studio.
Case in point, this guy used a motivational image, which makes his already questionable statement look even dumber.
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>>11961892
>AKB0048 was hardly a top-seller and produced almost no merchandise
It was most probably aidorufags not wanting to get into anime and animefags not wanting to get into 3D aidoru that made it have bad sales.

Remove the links to AKB and replace their songs(they used the songs that would have fitted the scenes better anyway, stuff like Beginner, River, etc), it would have easily passed as Macross Lite and gotten better sales.

Really though, the story and stuff ain't so bad, besides, who the hell would have expected an aidoru anime to be about space and robots and spaceships and aidoru magic?
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>>11961946
>who the hell would have expected an aidoru anime to be about space and robots and spaceships and aidoru magic?

thats it, its a show no one asked for, watched, or care about afterwards. it tried to blend too fanbases but failed and will only sink into obscurity.
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>>11961892
>please, Gundam rakes in hundreds of millions of dollars and Unicorn is essentially the highest selling anime off all time. those that see it as some sort of dying genre arnt looking at any of the real data.
That's because Gundam gets by on brand recognition and being a huge toy commercial. Pushing toys over music doesn't make it any better.
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>>11955655

1st ep was okay

the more i watched the show the less i liked it

outside ozma and cathy the characters were bland they were just checking boxes to lure as many people as they could into the show

the plot or lack there of ended up as a mess

the art and world building were top notch and a handful of songs were good

overall it wasted potential see what they do nect
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I thought this show as kinda ass. It did have some moments, and the music was overall enjoyable, but the plot was utter garbage and I didn't care about any of the characters. Can't really place exactly what it is, it's been a while since I saw it and all, but I just remember that it was ugly, and that the plot was needlessly convoluted considering that it was mostly just retreading old tropes with a bunch of unlikable characters.

The movies would maybe have worked better without the hideous stock footage from the TV series, and without the even more complicated plot restructuring of the 2nd film. The new animation was very pretty but it's kinda ruined when you get a shot of characters with no faces because it was lifted from the TV series.
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I don't understand all the posts about the plot being bad or non-existent? I thought the whole thing with Grace trying to take control of the vajra and insert herself as queen of all humans was interesting even if she was insane.
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>>11961601
Well that's good to hear. I think 7 is awesome in its own way.
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http://www.macrossworld.com/macross-voted-most-popular-idol-anime/
Always knew SDF was idol shit.
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>>11965621
Funny how AKB0048 is 4th, above fucking Love Live.
Fucking Kawamori, man.
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>>11965621
Oh i'm sorry you have shit taste
Do you want my shit on a Kowabunga platter for you to eat?
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>>11967007
I haven't even seen the real one post in months. Just stop.
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>>11965621
Of course Macross would be.
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If only the story of the series and the ending of the movie could be combined, because I really hated the YF-29 that showed up at the end of the movie.
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>>11969385
>I really hated the YF-29
>hating best VF
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>>11969405
It's the wings and the extra engine pods. They just make it look ugly. So ugly.
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>>11955655

7 years. Try being a robotech fan
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>>11969410
>It's the wings and the extra engine pods. They just make it look beautiful. So beautiful.
Fixed.
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>>11969414
Those don't exist. At least not round these parts.
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>>11969410
It looks really sexy. Sorry you can't see that.
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>>11969414
Nobody cares
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>>11969410
>It's the wings
>Hating on forward swept wings
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>>11969410
>>11969511
It's the position of the pods that bother me, if they were at the wing root I think I'd like it better. As it is the whole wings just hang off the back in battroid and don't look very good, they at least fold up on the 27.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJe3xEsY8n8
Macross has been using CG for a long time now. Don't understand the hate.
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>>11970129
>>11969511
>>11969428
They look so fat. And the engine pods are so awkwardly placed. And the battroid is even worse.
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>>11970283
That's because the 27 has very short wings.
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>>11971040
>Stantic callsicals.
>Surrownded lars.
>ALART.
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Macross Plus: The OVA or The Movie?
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>>11971093
The only reason to watch the movie is the ghost fight, it skips too many good scenes from the OVA to be worth it otherwise.
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>>11971093
Both, if you're willing to settle for DVD quality.

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=312940
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>>11969385
At least it looks better than this heap of shit
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>>11972595
At least that one doesn't have the cockpit in its ASS
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>>11972595
Still looks better than the VF-1's battroid.
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>>11972809
Lying is bad anon.
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>>11972852
Didn't know having an opinion you don't like is lying. I never liked the VF-1's battroid. Most of the body being a nosecone with the legs plugged into the sides always looked awkward to me and the wings look really weird with the missiles attached.
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>>11971065
The wingspan of the 27 is only less than a meter shorter than the 25's fully extended.
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Came for the mecha, stayed for the Sheryl.

Yoko Kano and May'n's involvement (and the ship design) made the entire series tolerable/above average.
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>>11972944
I like you
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>>11972852
After those two Aquarion endings (Sirius is whatshername's reincarnation + triple homo gattai, dog) I wouldn't be surprise if the next Macross really had a gay ending.
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I like Ranka and Mikono
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>>11973171
Mikono?
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