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Riddhe did nothing wrong.
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Now tell me something I don't already know
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>>11143966
He was gay.
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>>11143949
Except have the conviction to see his ideals through to their end.

He let a high schooler change his mind, and so easily too.
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Even now I can't understand why they fucked up Riddhe so badly. It's almost as if the writer actively shitted on Riddhe just to give the Banana an "evil" counterpart who was the ying to the banana's yang in everything once the mindfucking into a complete asshole was over
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>>11144010
Thats exactly what it was
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>>11144009
Needs Mineva editted over Flay
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Riddhe canonically fucks Mihiro.

Riddhe is the real winner of UC.
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>>11144043
When?
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>>11144052
After the credits.
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I honestly can't remember what Riddhe did aside from freaking out confused like he was suffering severe heroin withdrawal and shooting the most ridiculously tragic character in the story. He was just some kind of incompetent dramafag.
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>>11144073
>Marida
>most tragic character
He tries to enable a path for Mineva to free her from the schemes of the Federation and Sleeves, and she basically turns her back on him.

A lot of people blow the whole "let's get married" thing out of proportion since he was just trying to use his family's connections to protect her politically.

His whole 180 was from getting rejected and her constant fixation on Banagher who was just sort of drifting with the currents of the events in the story.

Riddhe gets shittied on a bit too much.
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>>11144073
He was Mineva chaperon.
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>>11144082

The thing is that after that his character goes totally off the rails so fast and so hard and he spends the rest of the OVA in freakout mode.
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>>11144073
Riddhe saved Mineva and Banager's school friends on Industrial 7 in ep1
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Riddhe admits freely that he fucked up and he's probably going to spend the rest of his life trying to make up for it like Andrei in g00. At least he does hook up with Mihiro.

Can we just do a Riddhe love thread sometime?
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>>11144170

>loving a shit-luck edge master
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>>11144187

To be fair, hard to not become an edgemaster when you go through Riddhe's circumstances and have to deal with a retard who gets everything served to him in a silver plate while you only get a mouthful of shit all day, every day.
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>>11144187
I Think he's pretty great.
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The only thing he did right was shoot Loni

And that was anime-exclusive
his true character is a pile of shit
Always spouting overly-poetic bullshit at every opportunity and treating himself like some big shot antihero
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>>11144200
He wanted to be an edge master from the very beginning, rewatch the series.
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>>11144170
>he's probably going to spend the rest of his life trying to make up for it like Andrei in g00
Didn't he just randomly blow up in the movie?
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>>11144244

He sacrificed himself because he was such a useless and awful character that only death could redeem him.
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>>11144200
Riddhe was the one handed everything on the silver plate you fuck.
He keeps dropping all of his alliances at the drop of a hat with no repercussions.
>Oh man Rezel team? nah fuck that this zeon chick who I totally hated 2 seconds ago is pretty hot, I'm gonna bring her home and marry her!
>She doesn't want me? Fuck that I'm gonna join the super cool new black tristars gang under motherfucking bright noah fucking super commander
>What? They got a super cool blinged out unicorn? Fuck Bright Noah I am all over that shit
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he had everything and broke down because of petty bullshit
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>>11144250

This, Riddhe was some super fucking wealthy golden boy his entire life and he goes from that to screaming, incoherent edgemaster in the span of 1 episode.
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>>11144200
>a retard who gets everything served to him in a silver plate
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>>11144250
>ReZel team

You mean the one Full Frontal totally ripped apart?
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>>11144319
Oh you're right, members of his unit being killed is a perfectly good reason to steal a military vehicle and desert so he can go home and get married to the princess of the people who killed his unit

If he wasn't some rich kid faggot he would've been executed.
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>>11144319
The one he was slated to become the commander of, yes. I mean, they even gave him a new MS, the Delta +, and how does he show his gratitude?

By deserting and leaving his comraids to die.
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I don't get it though, did he know what the LaPlace Box was or not? I thought only the ol' fart and his lackey knew what it was.
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>>11144339
>>11144342
He had the fucking princess of Zeon. Do you fags not understand how big of a political tool that is?

Of course Mineva had to be a giant retard and run away. If there's anybody to complain about having things handed to them it's Mineva, who basically has the entire plot handed to her.
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>>11144354
>did he know what the LaPlace Box was or not?
Yes, he tells everything to the captain while Banana and Mineva were talking to the old fart.
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>>11144360
His ship had the princess of zeon
He stole her from his allies to marry her because deep down inside he wants to be seen as a hero

She did not want to marry him, marrying him would do nothing for her cause, she was not going to leave her cage where she can't do anything just to hop into another cage where she can't do anything

The only one who stood to benefit from the marriage was Riddhe
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>>11144377
See >>11144082
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>>11144010
>>11144020
Riddhe's basically what happens when you take someone who has all the qualities to be a protagonist, but then put him a spot where he not only not gets to be the hero but gets all of his efforts actively rejected and combine the fact he was never the most headstrong guy to start with his newtype shit amplifying his jealousy and you get >>11144009
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>>11144368
That's the part that confused, was it mentioned before hand that he knew, or even shown that he knew, or was it just an asspull?
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>>11144393
His father knew. And his father tells him before hime-sama escaped. As a descendent of the Prime Minister's family, I think it's implied they always knew what the original plaque contained, but kept quit about it due to not having any proof.
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>>11144393
his dad told him in episode 4, thats why he was freaking out
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>>11144360
How would marrying her help bargain with anyone

What would that accomplish?

Full Frontal wouldn't give a shit, he'd still be after the box, plus the people of zeon would look at it as an elaborate kidnapping and become more aggressive

The federation wouldn't give a shit, why would a princess they don't even recognize marrying some white rich kid soldier matter to them?
"Oh you're right, now that you've married the space princess that means we should stop fighting zeon and stop trying to prevent them from annihilating us, because we all know how much Char cared about the Zabi family"
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>>11143971
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I would have loved to of seen what a cclustefuck Riddhe and Mineva's marriage would have been.
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>>11144382
Still completely pointless
Riddhe's father had no real clout with Martha. Her being married to Riddhe would not prevent Martha from taking Mineva into her custody. She'd probably view it as liberating her, given her own messed up ideology
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>>11144403
>>11144404
Ah, I'll have to marathon the show because the 6 month period between episodes made me forget a few things.
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>>11144339
Which i think he does realize

Then again I hold hope for Riddhe because he's a hot piece of ass, not gonna lie to myself here. If he was ugly I wouldnt care about him as much.
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>>11144439
I'd prefer a man who had a bit more to him then his ridiculous good looks
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>>11144445
I mean to say I give him the benefit of doubt, I think he redeems himself eventually. I feel the same way about Garma, like "aw poor baby. Now where are the doujinshi of you getting your ass stuffed?" Treize not so much. No "aww poor baby" feeling there. Ass stuffing sure.
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Why they made such a huge deal about Minerva being some sort of space princess? I mean, wasn't Char THE one and only space prince of Zeon and the legit one even?
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>>11144474
char is the son of a politician elected through democratic means, he's not entitled to inherit any kind of rule from his father

on the other hand, the zabis instituted the duchy/principality of side 3 which is ruled by royalty in some form (dukes and duchesses rule a duchy, monarchs rule principalities), so in the case that the principality of zeon is left without a ruler, mineva could inherit it
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>>11144532

But wasn't the duchy of zeon turned back into the republic of zeon it used to be pre-Zabi scum after the OYW? Wouldn't that null and void any claims of lnobility and power from Zabi survivors?
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>>11144544

Yeah, they wouldn't have any LEGITIMATE power, but maybe more Zeon sympathizers may go over, and the clusterfuck acts of space terrorism could continue.
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>>11144445
>comparing him to Milliardo

Now that is just not fair.
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>>11144544
Yep, but as we all know, zeeks have a problem with letting things go.

That said, no one in Unicorn is saying that she is the rightful or legitimate ruler of Side 3. She doesn't even have a decent grasp on the Zeon remnants, who are more behind Full Frontal than anyone else.
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>>11144548

Man, the whole plan is full of bullshit. Even if they procured Minerva, she wouldn't approve of their crazy agenda and therefore would be useless as a propaganda tool and ironically, pulling a Durandal and make their own Minerva would've worked much better this time as the real one had no interest in revealing her presence. Besides, tehy already made their own Char, so making their own Minerva wouldn't be too farfetched
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>>11144474
>Minerva
Minerva is a ship in SEED. Mineva (no R) is the daughter of Dozle.
>THE one and only
Except for Sayla, sure. Where is she, anyway?
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>>11144563

They're blind fanatics. It probably wouldn't even occur to them that Mineva wouldn't be a fan of her families legacy, that she may regard her uncle as the biggest mass murderer in human history.

Actually, I think their hopes (It's not even a full plan.) being retarded as all fuck is sort of realistic in its way.
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>>11144569

Not giving a fuck and (probably) being a doctor on Earth.

I want her and Mineva to get drunk and talk shit about their families.
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if you really think about it. it's all bananas fault the slut got killed. if banana would have destroyed me earlier I would never have been able to be the most baised gundam ever. oh and riddhe did nothing wrong
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>>11144584
Destroy the banshee with what? Riddhe took his fucking gun
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>>11144594
he just left me their sitting in front of a emotional unstable man. banana had the means to keep me out of the hands of the conspirators. he didn't he left the most powerful mobile suit just sitting their doing nothing. its all banans fault.

theirs more than one way to destroy a mobile suit.
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>>11144594
Beam saber?
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>>11144579
Mineva probably loves Char more than Sayla does at this point.
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>>11144615
The Banshee was created by the conspirators if it was destroyed they would've just made another
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>>11144746
Not in time to stop Bananahammock and friends from getting Leplace's Box.
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>>11144746
Not in time for the end of unicorn. you can't just make a banshee instantly. had the banana destroyed, or even made it so that repairing the cockpit would put it out of action for the remainder of the show. ridddhe wouldn't have been able to finish what ZZ started.
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>>11144594
In other words, might one say that the Banshee got rid of hos gun?
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>>11144584
But the plan was for Marida to stall him so Bangher can assist the Nahel Argama.
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>>11145199
Someone need to add all the bullshit from ep 7 to that.
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I would a Riddhe just to say I did.
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>>11143949
Derailed characters thread? Derailed characters thread.
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>>11144413
She is a political figure, people like Marida or the common people would follow her and give a shit about what happens.

>>11144424
>Honey, the baby shittied himself
>GUUUUHHHFHFFFDAAAAAAHHUUUAM
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>>11144474
They never did. Only Daguza and Riddhe, two Federation grunts, thought that she had any political sway over Zeon or Side 3, when Full Frontal made it very clear that he gave no fucks about her.

I think one of the reasons she fell for Badger is because he doesn't see her as a space princess; to him, she's just some girl he really wants to be with. That probably won him a lot of brownie points with her.
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>>11144250
Riddhe is a Micchy who did not get enough focus.
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So... Riddhe is Athrun Zala?
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>>11146485
He's like Athrun, but without cuntmeisters like Kira to make him look better..
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At least he piloted my favorite Gundam.
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>>11146485
he doesn't have the indecisiveness of Athrun Zala

but he does seem cut from that cloth. Personally, I think Riddhe is better than Athrun. hotter too.
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>>11146465
Fuck you Micchy
Just fuck you
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>>11146492
More like
>At least he got the happy ending, a cute sister and a beautiful wife in Valvrave.
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>>11143949
I've been saying all along that Riddhe is the hero we needed, but weren't ready for.
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>>11147346
>pedophile
>murderer
>questionable moral
>even more questionable loyalty
>lack of loyalty to any cause
>underage-cunt addicted
>yandere
>hero

I can't see it.
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>>11147356
Sounds like a ideal hero to me.
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>>11144418
can you shop SEED on here?
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>>11148624
>comparing SEED to Oreimoshit
Fukuda's hack but that's just plain insulting
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Riddhe is like Sergei Smirnov

Good soldiers. Protect the people.

A bit rigid in their UNDERSTANDING at first.

I like both characters a lot.

I wish he was the protagonist of UC

He alone had the balls to stop Shamblo. A lot more civilians would have died when banana pussied out if he hadn't of manned up and took the shot
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>>11149572
>he is like sergei smirnov

already done
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>>11149551
Im not comparing, I just think they're both shit.
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>>11149600

What do you mean? Like this comparison has been made before or something? Or you're done reading at that line?
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>>11149623
Sergei wasn't ever a dick.
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>>11149636
riddhe wasn't either.
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>>11149623
already done reading whatever nonsensical leap of logic your going to make to compare Smirnov with Riddhe.

Especially when Riddhe is more similar to his bitchyfag son then anything.
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>>11149638
Your tripcode don't show your bias at all
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>>11143949
Riddhe struck me as a soldier who was frustrated by the war, advances being rejected by Mineva, and generally just an unhappy and angry guy despite the friendly guy mask he has on early in the series.

He was exploited like Marida was.
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>>11149636
While riddhe inst as bad as some make out he did have his dickish moments.

Sergei on the other hand was one of the least dickish characters in 00 which made the shit that happened to him even worse i.e. his daughteru ditched him for a scitzo nutjob who's idea of fun was to chase her around crying her name and then he got shot down by his own son who blamed him for the very disaster he was trying to stop.
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>>11145199
Did he get a good end?
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>>11153456
Well he got the Mihiro for sure in the novels, as for Anime, he got his end in somewhere.
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>>11147356

Sounds about right for Banagher
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>>11153642
i dont understand how banagher is a pedo but ok
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>>11144432

> Her being married to Riddhe would not prevent Martha from taking Mineva into her custody

Having Minveva will change the balance of power between Mercanas and Vist. Because the box would have less power if the symbol of Zeon no longer gives a shit about spacenoid empowerment. Frontal will have more problems rallying the Zeon remanent that are not loyal to him. Riddhe's plan is best plan
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>>11153642
Banana is pretty far from Yandere.
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>>11147356
So Riddhe is Char.

Huh.
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>>11143949
I liked him more in the Manga
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>>11144023
Who cares? Minerva is Fllay as proved by our fellow shitposter/tripfag.
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>>11144082
"Saving a woman from all the superpowers in the universe trying to use her as a puppet doesn't entitle you to her body, nor does she owe you sex!"
- Tumblr

Also, even as a man, the "let's get married" thing was creepy (and funny) but by the way he held her in his arms, he was clearly serious about it.

Riddhe is a fedorabro, face it.
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>>11144140
Good job doing your job military dude!

>>11144170
>he does hook up with Mihiro.
Source on that?
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>>11156111
>Minerva
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>>11149697
>He was exploited like Marida was.
Naw that's bullshit. He wasn't a slut like she was
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???
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>>11144073
I remember him as that blonde guy lusting after a kid.
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>>11156125
What's the matter? Did it hit a nerve?
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>>11156203
Her name is Mineva.
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>>11156220
I know, im just trying to give her a dry burn.
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>>11143949
Did nothing wrong? He fucking killed my Puru. He robbed a father of his darling little daughter you sick fuck. His whole fucking existence is wrong
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>>11156290
It was a mercy kill.
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>>11156290

Since when killing a terrorist is bad?
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Apparently... some people think putting a hole in the Cashatriya, and killing a Purustitute is wrong. Can't imagine who though.
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>>11156328
She wasn't a terrorist anymore, you asshole.
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>>11153653
Riddhe is only considered a pedophile ib this one really repressed and backwards country called the US of A. Where if a guy who just turned eighteen yesterday has sex with his seventeen year old girlfriend he is a monster, a pedophile and predator in the eyes of the law. Most retarded age a of consent laws ever. In any other country its not really an issue. Mineva was even older than the girls Char was into and even he was an ephebophiliac at most.

Most importantly he wasnt made to look like a pedophile because in the country where this was made nobody bats an eye at that sort of thing. He wasn't intended to look like a pedophile that's just American cultural misunderstanding which brands him that.
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>>11156114
Dude posting quotes from tumblr doesnt put you in any position to accuse people of fedora wearing
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>>11156328
She was someone's daughter for fuck's sake, she was looking forward to a normal life with daddy and you fucking killed her, congratulations you monster
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>>11156290

A good father wouldn't have sent his darling little daughter to fight to death in MS battles. A good father would have realized that the purustitute suffered enough already, keep her away from harm and start a treatment to someday make her get over her traumas and lead a normal life as a civilian.

But nooo, lets get that former child prostitute as a MS pilot and then act like a loving father who did the best for his daughter.
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>>11156369
People in mobile suits, more often than not, fucking die, don't try to single one out. I get not liking Riddhe but your reasoning is shit.
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>>11156344
>The US's AoC is the same everywhere

nice to know you have no clue what you're talking about
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>>11146492
>favorite Gundam
>from last airing show
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>>11156373
But he killed her for a stupid reason, didn't you see how he was freaking out in the cockpit?
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>>11156404
Why didn't the bitch stay away?
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anyone else prefer Riddhe's engish dub voice to the original seiyuu? the VA was very calm and acted while the original JP was too much of a edgy try-hard.
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>>11156374
>Confirmed for never leaving the US

Canada doesn't even have the same age of consent laws as the us. Look at Scandinavian countries where you can bang fourteen year olds. Maybe you should google Japanese compensated dating as well. You are so wrong it hurts
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>>11156479
Fifteen actually.
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>>11156479
he said the *US* AoC wasnt the same everywhere, which is true, it varies state-by-state and each one has specific details when it comes to consent, marriage and age difference between individuals.
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>>11156479
>confirmed for not knowing how to read
>>11156478
Generally I prefer the english dubs anyway, but in this case it's especially true.

Also, Tara Platt's voice as Marida is delicious.
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>>11156498
Then he should have worded it better. Thenpoint still stands that in Japan Riddhe isnt considered a pedophile. Its like how in Sailor Moon nobody bats an eye at Usage being in high school and Memory in college
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>>11156442
It was because dying to save/help people with her newtype powers upon finding a "Family" in her Genes, Elpeo and Two did it as well.

The one from Evol probably died 5 minutes after meeting Jewdough too.
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>>11156510
Next time explain yourself in plain english instead of green texting like an autist. Shit your point would have been better getting your point across if you tacked an implying at the front of it. Or better yet instead of saying some thing vague like everywhere you could of said in every state. Its your English skills that are lacking Im afraid.
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>>11156511
I did word it well, you mouthbreather
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>>11156543
I agree with this ad hominem champion as a bystander.
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>>11156527
Not even the same person, anon.

Maybe you should step away from the keyboard for a while.
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>>11156565
It isn't ad hominem if it's true
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>>11156511
He isn't a pedophile anywhere, as Mineva isn't prepubescent.
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>>11156574
As long as it's irrelevant it is.
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>>11156479
>You are so wrong it hurts

oh the irony
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>>11156574
Not really, no, veracity has nothing to do with being an ad hominem or not.
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>>11156580
Irrelevant to the positions being argued, you mean.
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>>11156344
>Most importantly he wasnt made to look like a pedophile
This must be a joke.
>Yo, girl, I met you for two seconds
>Wanna marry me?
>BANANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>11156372
But her father wasn't a Newtype.
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>>11156478
Are you shitting me? Namikawa Daisuke is a god-tier VA!
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>>11156372
But she's supposed to be a pilot, and a Cyber Newtype at it. Look at it this way, making her pilot a MS is like giving her a job and purpose in life to keep her mind off the traumatic shit.

And speaking of which, she had been pretty stable anyway. She wasn't even traumatized in the first place, she simply carried on as usual
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>>11156478
That's what happens when you cast Yuri Lowenthal who is in fucking everything
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>>11156715
Nothing you describe has to do with pedophilia. Also, see>>11156576
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>>11156125
I used to get mixed up and call her Minerva too, but just remember:

Minerva is a battleship.
Mineva is the character.
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>>11156290
>He fucking killed my Puru.
>Fell for it hook line and sinker
She shouldn't have stood there arms wide open ready to die in total acceptance.
Mirada still a best. but riddhe ain't a bad guy.
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>>11156976

This. She would have been more useful fighting Riddhe to lead him away from the ship. Also Kyshatriya is supposed to have a cockpit block i-field and it didn't seem like it was destroyed by the Unicorn. Why didn't she turn it on? She could at least save herself. Marida fags falling for this contrived shitty melodrama are retards.
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>>11156369
1) She was the daughter of a cold, unfeeling clone pod. A POD, I SAY!
2) The same can be said for the numerous lives she snuffed out.
Those Jegan pilots were someone's kids. Possibly even had children of their own.
Is one former prostitute clone's life any more valuable because MUH WAIFU?
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>>11156574
Because baseless claims about someone you know nothing about that dont address the point of a post is totally an argument.

You are right the whole age of consent in states is completely relevant to whether or not a japanese character is a pedophile. It wasnt ad homenim so much as it was a straw man.
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>>11156743
>>11156478
hating on my Namikawa Daisuke... It's like I dont you /m/

Although the argument can me made that he was very very into it, he had been a fan of the novels before anime was in project planning.

Yuri Lowenthal is pretty top tier though, gotta hand it to him.
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>>11157139
>Is one former prostitute clone's life any more valuable because MUH WAIFU?
MUH WAIFU is frankly better than "hurr clone ex-prostitute no human value or rights." What the fuck is your post?
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>>11156574
The other reason you are stupid is because the straw man you desperately tried to derail this with only further serves my point that Riddhe isnt a pedophile because if the age of consent was 16 in some states then he isnt even a pedophile there. So your straw man unwittingly supported my own point.
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>>11157174
You simultaneously got and missed the point.

The key words are 'any more value'

The MUH WAIFU guy makes a big deal about her as a human being and, in the process, trivializes the lives she's taken over the course of the OVA.

Pointing out the clone/ex prostitute factor is more in the interest of counterbalancing the idea that waifu status makes her any more valuable than her opponents.

A life is a life. If you're gonna make a big stink for Marida on the basis of 'it was a human life' you have to also acknowledge the hypocrisy in the fact she also took lives.
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>>11157053
>Also Kyshatriya is supposed to have a cockpit block i-field

Didn't they say that it was only half-ready for battle?
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>>11157219
You sounded like you were attacking the fact that she was someone's waifu by sort of putting her down (I mean adoptive parents are still parents), but yeah, now I agree.
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>>11157248
I admit, the first part was kind of done as a joke.
Though I can see how in text it comes across as more serious than sarcasm.
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>>11157235
Yes.
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>>11157219
I'm just assblasted that she died like a bitch, anon. At least those Jegan pilots and other enemies tried to kill her with a reason and conscious intent. But this Riddhe killed her because he was flipping out over getting NTR'd.

I honestly prefer the novel version of her death. She was a whole lot more alpha there, taking on the Sinanju and wrecking it before blocking Riddhe's NTR beam
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>>11157298
>kill her with a reason and conscious intent.

Now getting reminded of the Baka-Tsuki tls of the LNs.
You could make a drinking game out of the number of times the phrase 'killing intent' is used.
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>>11157314
Try the Kara no Kyoukai novels for the ultimate drinking game experience!
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>>11157324
How bad we talking?
Cause prior to UC the best I've seen was the VHD novels.
Drink when the author talks about how pretty D is. See how far you can get.
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>>11148624
Like so?
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>>11157439
Finally someone understands.
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>>11156739

And that's part of her trauma. You simply don't act like nothing happened, that's naturalizing something terrible as something normal and that's not a good thing.

Also, he could've given her a new purpose, one away from the crazy terrorist life that gets people killed. But that's what a good person would do, a revenge-driven zeek who refuses to DEAL WITH IT and insist on his petty revenge would just keep her as a MS pilot instead of trying to get her a better life.
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>>11156375
Nothing wrong with that.
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Hating on Riddhe is like kicking a teenage golden retriever
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Oh my fucking lord, Unicorn engenders the most retarded discussions.
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>>11157746
well you are currently posting in a troll thread so...
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>>11157746
It can't be helped.
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>>11157746

Shit shows always causes shit threads.
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>>11157651
What could she have been though? She was born to be a pilot, it's literally in her cyber newtype genes.

As for the trauma part, she seemed pretty normal to me. I mean she even showed a subtle sense of humour, like when she flipped the kid over. There's really nothing wrong with her
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>>11149674
There's no trip there. Man, where did you newfriends come from?
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Is the novel translation project dead?
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>>11161680
I think it's just really slow. and my god do they need editors...
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>>11161195
I'm guessing you missed the part about being prostituted out as a child and forced into abortions that eventually left her sterile.
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>>11159300
This assumes that nobody trolls people by making shit threads.
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>>11144569
Sayla is making her submissive boy-toy fuck her on a beach on the Mediterranean. She has lodz-o-moni.
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>>11144201
Holy shit is that the MMZ guy
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>>11147371
Flit was a better character than Riddhe.
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>>11163739
No I'm just saying that 90% of the time she looks unfazed about everything at all. She didn't seem as traumatized, most of the time she's just stoic as fuck
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