Questions that don't deserve their own threads
there is some kind of book you'll surely enjoy reading, just try to find that.
i'd try going from light to heavy fiction while looking up some non-fiction and philosophy.
you can try starting with books full of suspense and mystery so that you'll feel the need to finish them.
dracula, frankenstein, the magus, dan brown books will probably get you into reading.
Did you really just put the Magus between Dracula and Dan Brown? What kind of pleb are you?
Even if your advice for the guy is correct, this is one of the most retarded example sequences I've seen. Not to even mention that the Magus is too heavy for a starters and will go over their heads even if they manage to finish it.
Currently writing something which I think will end up as a novelle about a bureaucrat in a technocratic republic who suffers a heart attack and joins a weird cult whose leader happens to be a swindler. Getting it out of my laptop isn't on my plan, but if the final result plesases me I'll maybe do. What would you think about a story with that plot?
I need to understand IMPERIALISM. Where do i begin? I'm an Indian and would like Britfags to answer for my ancestors and killing my grandfather.
I've started with Stanford Philosophy page. So far so good but will eventually need more.
Thanks to anyone who recommends something.
Is there any point in reading esoteric texts?
I always start to read some of them for that dank knowledge but then I get annoyed and stop because it's not making any sense. Why is it so tempting to read these godamn texts?
Someone said to me after a reading I did that my work reminds them of Kafka. They did not use the word "Kafkaesque" fortunately, but how should I respond to this sort of thing?
I wanted to say
>You're a fucking moron and you insult both Kafka and me
But not wanting to be autistic and realizing that they meant it as praise I said
>Thank you! Fuck bureaucracy, haha.
Did I do the right thing? Advice for dealing with idiots responding to your work?
Not him, but I think I can elaborate on what he's talking about.
Every medium has its pros and cons in how it can tell a story, because of the way it's presented to the audience. Books give you a lot of space to work with and a lot of freedom of expression, but nothing in terms of sound or visuals. Films are much more condensed but make it easier to apply the 'show don't tell' principle. There has yet to be a videogame that even APPROACHES art because of a slew of issues not inherent to videogames, but once they overcome them there'll be ones that make use of the fact that the audience has direct agency in the narrative.
His example sounds valid at first but doesn't really apply. For example, a horror movie has to scare you, so plots that don't allow for the audience getting scared are right out, along with the fact that the director has to spend a non-trivial amount of effort on the horror elements.
Choosing a medium is different. Any story can be told in any medium, what's different is the tools at the author's disposal. I mean look at the aforementioned Maus, Watchemen, I'd argue Sandman too, they're nothing like
>le kiddie picture books :^)
that the hypothetical literary snobs would like to paint them as.
>tfw I'm embarrassing myself by writing basic stuff everyone on /lit/ already knows
>One morning near the end of October not long before the first drops of the mercilessly long autumn rains began to fall on the cracked and saline soil on the western side of the estate (later the stinking yellow sea of mud would render footpaths impassable and put the town too beyond reach) Futaki woke to hear bells.
Recent memoirs are written for a reading level that allows you to read it fast, and in between an already hectic day. It's a nice light reading and similar to just talking to a friend. Find a contemporary, like within the decade, memoir of someone with an interesting life or thing happen to them.
school should have taught you this by now. And every beta reader, publisher and editor would appreciate you memorize this: times new roman, 12 size font, 1 inch margins, double spaced. don't make the end of each line line up perfectly either, that's the publisher's job.
ok, but if you're gonna ask me a question like: do you think the book will be too long? following those standards helps me be able to pull a book off the shelf to compare your book to. Because the amount of pages you have in your manuscript directly correlates to the amount of pages it will be once published. besides, it's easiest to just stick with that formatting instead of changing it for every person you meet.
thx for calling me autistic. I feel proud.
I like this. I have Seiobo There Bellow, so I'll probably start with thaht and move to this if I like it. thanks.
been meaning to read it, but I think I want to try the Border Trilogy first, good/bad idea?
Seen this one pop up in all the NYRB threads lately but I dont think it has to do with rain.
all in all, I have been actually looking for rain themed books and havent found many, and I cant believe that something as powerful and as influential as rain isnt more centrally used in literature, I'm sure it's just that I cant find it.
Why not? Genuinely asking here, what's wrong with your work reminding him of Kafka? What's wrong with a fellow reader having an interpretation on what you have written? Just because you might not be influenced directly by Kafka doesn't mean the person can't find it somewhat similar.
Honestly, I'd be really flattered if someone compared my work to Kafka.
or this is a conversation and not a research then respond forum. really, it was a circle jerk of look how smart we are compared to others, and it failed because OP had no shame in not knowing because of his aforementioned lack of reading
Grammar question: what's the name for phrases enclosed in commas that rename something? Like:
My mom, the whore that gave birth to me, is going to the store.
What is the name for "the whore that gave birth to me"?
Renaming something is apposition, so the phrase is an appositional phrase.
Within the appositional phrase
>the whore that gave birth to me
is a relative clause,
>that gave birth to me
that modifies 'whore'.
Is the Paradise Lost worth reading in anything but english? I have it in spanish; it belonged to my late grandpa and it's a beautiful edition from like the '20s so I'm keeping it either way, but I'd rather not waste my time if the experience is not the same.
well, kerouac did that while writing on the road too, with even more explicit language. don't care about it much.
Do it! Ideas when drunk are the best, unfiltered. Write drunk, edit sober. Don't edit till the last word is written. You'll have fun in the process and be able to pat yourself on the back for finishing something, which many have not done.
/lit/, I'm looking for a kind of specific book, a recommendation.
It should have an eerie, unsettling kind of atmosphere. The following should be included; The events that occur are based on familiar people acting in unfamiliar, yet seemingly orchestrated ways. Stories where the world seems to have gone mad; and the protagonist is not necessarily an exception.
Anything come to mind?
>there is no difference between apposition and periphrasis
There is a difference.
Periphrasis is circumlocution, and apposition is not.
Apposition is restatement of a phrasing that is used prior, while periphrasis replaces the phrasing (which is *not* used in favor of the periphrasis).
Why do so many books use this hand written style, marker/chalk font? Literally every book I see uses something similar to pic related
If you can read English well enough to post here, you should read PL in English. Just make sure you get a version 29th modernized spelling.
Paradise Lost occasionally used familiar-looking English words in a way closer to their Latin meaning than their modern English meaning (e.g. "process"). If anything speaking Spanish will help you.
Do your very best to read it in English. It is absolutely worth it. Milton's English is like no one else's. Read it on the Dartmouth Milton reading room where notes are available in hypertext. Alternatively, if you want more in-depth stuff, get a competent edition (edited either by Leonard or Orgel & Goldberg), which should more fully explain the archaisms, at the cost of having to flick quite frequently to the back pages for the notes.
I just finished the scarlet in black and hated it.
Also, I don't know French so that doesn't help.
anyways, any books about the bourgeois and bourgeois mentality and hate towards them? I find it rather intriguing.
What should I read next? I've already read Hocus Pocus since I took this picture.
Could anyone help me understand a phrase from Aristotle?
It's from Book 2 of Physics
>Thus if a house were one of the things which come to be due to nature, it would come to be just as it now does by the agency of art; and if things which are due to nature came to be not only due to nature but also due to art, they would come to be just as they are by nature.
I'd like to know what he's alluding to specifically concerning the relationship between art and nature.
thank you very much friend, that helped a lot and now it makes more than perfect sense. too much of old Ari does fry your brain I spose, because now i wonder how I didn't catch that before
How do I learn how to write interesting and or "good" prose and poetry
I fear I lack the intellectual brainpower and or imagination. How do I improve? Apart from simply vomiting my shit ideas onto paper
I should have mentioned, the pile on the right are all books I've attempted before but gave up on but still want to try again. I got about halfway through Left Hand of Darkness (actually you can still see the bookmark) before I just couldn't handle the prose anymore. She uses this really flowery, almost Victorian style that really clashed in my mind with the sci-fi plot. Is it worth powering through to the end?
I'm a /lit/-pleb. I finished A Scanner Darkly earlier this week. Should I continue with PKD, and if so where? If not, where else within the general science fiction realm should I travel?
Secondly, same for Hermann Hesse and Siddhartha. I wasn't too big on it for it's philosophy but I liked the character developments.
That's the only book of his I've read. I liked the credibility of the advancements (scramble suit) versus introducing fictional species or something like that. That's not to say it has to be hard science fiction for me to like it.
I don't think I'd be too particular about setting or theme. I did like the suspicious/untrusting atmosphere of it all
Yeah I just kinda went to the wiki and picked one that looked cool. I read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells like four years ago for school but that's all I can think of, not that I remember that much anyway
Where to start with stoicism? I've only read Meditations.
I'll give you a couple of recommendations and hopefully one sounds appealing.
Ender's Game - Good entry into science fiction and it's easy to read. Humanity is preparing to stop an aggressive alien race and all their hopes are placed in a small child. Somewhat generic plot, but manages to subvert your expectations of what is going on. Most people who have read this, but not a lot of other science fiction, seem to love it.
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - The book blade runner was based on. Follows a detective trying to hunt down androids which are illegally trying to integrate into society. The themes are about what makes a human human and can artificial life be a person.
Dune - Space fantasy where an offworlder becomes a messiah for the world's inhabitants. It has a lot of political intrigue and religion weaved into the story. George Lucas borrowed a lot from this for star wars.
1984/Brave New World - Dystopian novels that are very relatable today. Both are fairly short, but very potent. 1984 shows a world where the government is oppressive and monitors everything a person does, says, or even thinks. BNW is a society that has built in eugenics and promotes entertainment and drugs over personal thought.
Forever War - Story about soldiers fighting an alien race, but they experience severe time dilation. They go through a year of service and return to find earth has aged decades. It's a metaphor for the vietnam war and the postwar culture shock soldiers went through.
Want to start my first Pynchon with V.? Is it better to read with a guide? From what I've heard the dude references a lot of stuff. Or should I just not worry about that kind of thing and power through?
Appreciate your help man, I wrote em' all down and can hopefully read them all soon too.
I think I'll start with Electric Sheep; I've never heard of Forever War but that little description you gave makes it sound really cool.
Looking at Ender's Game's wikipedia page I saw it's part of a big chronology. I'm guessing it's sensible as a standalone read though right?
>I'm guessing it's sensible as a standalone read though right?
Yeah, it's standalone. I didn't bother with the sequels because the plots weren't appealing to me, but supposedly they aren't too bad if you want to continue.
Dune is similar in that it's standalone, but I've heard some of the sequels are better than the original. I just never found time to follow up on them.
I read Forever War in about two days because I couldn't put it down; it's one of my favorites on the list.
Just because this is a QTDDTOT doesn't excuse you from reading the goddamn sticky. Literally just go there and look for the novellas chart, they're all very short, and therefore good as introductory books. Pick whichever you think you'll enjoy and FINISH it before moving on.
(personal recommendation: Siddhartha)
Since apparently this didn't deserve its own thread:
How would you characterize literature described as "operatic" vs "balletic" vs "balladic", et cetera? What connotations to those words hold when translated from a musical stage into written word (or adapted written word, a la movies)? What words, phrases, feelings come to mind?
For me, "opera" implies something austere, perhaps pretentious, and sticking to the classical dramatic story arcs of tragedies or comedies. Whereas "ballet" implies a story that's more personal, fleshing out actual characters, and focusing on accentuating very particular light or dark traits of the main character. And "ballad" suggests a story that's rooted in a culture or subculture, retold for either nostalgia's or for irony's sake. But I'm looking for more fleshed out understanding of the words.
Meditations is incredibly dry, repetitive and hypocritical. Did everyone else just plough through it?
I don't mind the concept, but I honestly feel a painterly, expressive illustration of a half-human, half-insect face would have been more effective than the horrid attempt at minimalism they went for. I don't think it's much worse than the penguin art-student-with-stupid-shit-strapped-to-his-head monochrome covers.
/mu/ was literally the board from which /lit/ was born and they have made the bulk of new posters here since the beginning. not saying we should accept newfriend stupidity, but lumping them in the same category as /pol/ shitposters is a bit lazy as they tend to be badly read but willing to learn a thing or two
>Is there any tea that helps with focus / calms down without making you drowsy?
Chamomile would be the main one for that
>Also what teas does /lit/ like?
Green tea. After researching the subject, it seems to be the single most healthy beverage around (maybe except for water, but maybe not).
I'm almost done with this. For context, next up is Story of Philosophy by Bryan Magee before going to The Presocratics and The Sophists.
I want to go through it again and take notes of each story to remember them well enough that I can reference them from memory. However, I find myself a bit overwhelmed by all the links between the stories and the characters. How should I structure these notes? Should I make a list of all the people referenced in it? Or perhaps should I only list the stories (Trojan war, creation myths, golden fleece, love myths, etc)?
Any pointers would be appreciated, thank you.
Hey /lit/ I'm a newfag when it comes to books, haven't read anything in a while. Was looking at getting One Second After, is it any good?
I just get the bagged kind and brew it that way since that's easiest where I live, although my initial exposure to it was sencha in Japan and I'm of a mind to seek that out, or maybe matcha (the powdered kind used in the tea ceremony).
The bible is really all you need. May help to read some of the greeks (Aristotle's ethics) but otherwise it's pretty easy to jump right in.
There's non-fiction on the history of a salt mining family and all they do is make salt, it's not the premise so much as the presentation that makes it interesting.
I found both series really boring but game of thrones was quite fun.
Can anyone recommend a good book or even online resource on the history of literature? Specifically something that goes over the thoughts and ideas behind the movements and not just "here are the 'best books ever'".
Okay guy from here >>7687334
I wrote a small sample passage just to see if I'm shit or not at this writing thing so please judge.
Here's one with the original names
And one with changed names
Goo concept, writing a little too verbose.
>while he himself searched for the more tame one.
Try "while he searched for the tamer one."
>It was familiar to him, and relief took hold of the captain at once.
"It was familiar. Relief took hold of him"
Etc. Don't lose heart, though, anon; all initial drafts require iterations to be better, just keep trying and you'll get there.
Your attention span is like a muscle. I suggest an easier but meaty book like Ender's Game, Odd Thomas, or maybe even manga. You will get bored and sleepy after reading for a while. Expect this. However like any muscle, the more that you practice, the easier it becomes. If you can start with 1 chapter a day, you will have finished a book in less than a month. If the book grabs you, you'll find it easier to read for more and more time and you will get hooked. Stick with the fun easier books and once in a while read a short story or novella by a more difficult author. Soon those will become easier as well and you can work up to the classics.
English isn't my native language and i'm not really advanced on it so I have a quit simple question
Can you use the word " elitistic" or is that wrong english?
Like a person who is an elitist, as people who think 4chan is their secret club e.g.
What's a better starting point for someone who's curious abot existentialism, Camus or Sartre?
I would like to read some medieval lit, but couldn't find anything on the sticky.
Where should I begin? Can I jump right in with Canterbury Tales or Piers Plowman? Beowulf first? Translations? Recommendations? Help!
Anything I should know before I start this? ie. if there are any philosophers who influenced Foucault that I should have an understanding of
He is responding pretty heavily to the pscyhoanalytic tradition (hence "the repressive hypothesis). But honestly most of his sources are outside of the traditional philosophical canon. He spends more time talking about the history of psychiatry than anything else. If you have some knowledge of the Victorian Era that might be helpful.
Have you read Through the Looking Glass and his poems?
Kipling's Just So Stories make up a lot of shit to explain life, and Edward Lear's books are very similar to Carroll's nonsense. Edward Gorey is a bit darker than those, but still very good.
Steve Unwin invented a language which is near-English almost sense, and you can hear the tale of Happiness Stan on the second half of the Small Face's Nut Gone Flake. The speaking bits are Unwin, but some of his words are in the bits sung by the band (like "caribold" for "caravan")
I think John Lennon also wrote a few books with a similar idea to language, but he could have been ripping off Spike Milligan to an extent too.
I guess the Dice Man has a lot of things happen randomly and some of the chapter lengths and styles are random because they're supposed to have been written according to the dice too. That could be Rheinhart being a zen fan. I suppose zen works like The Blue Cliff Record would be a good idea too.
Anyone else feel a little shitty about ordering books through Amazon? To people who do, do they usually come in good condition? I know it started out as an online bookstore but they might have let that fall by the wayside over the years
Akira is overlooked because the movie is so good, but the manga is even better.
the important thing to understand is that constructing visual tables of information is very different than writing a novel. both just happen to have words in them
Sounds like a great choice.
Thank you for the recommendation.
Is reading existentialcomics.com an ok introduction to philosophy? I'm currently reading the Greeks like a good boy, but is said web comic a good source for learning a bit about the most important ideas in all of philosophy?
Im trying to do some honors assignments for my English class.
Are they any good, redpilled works that deal with race, gender roles, disability or social class difference?
Fucking obnoxious subjects I know. It's going to be hard to read this shit much less report on it.
I was thinking Starship Troopers since it values a meritocracy but I dont know if it will qualify with the course material.
College is fucking gay. I didnt sign up for this
I hope you mean "college" as in "high school" because if a university level course in English isn't making you cry from having to learn Old English and is instead hoping you shit out a tumblr, you should quit.
well, being a musician (piano major) myself, i might be of help.
an opera is a long, extensive piece of music with many, many instruments, voices, etc...
it's a dense work to accomplish because it has elements from theater (setting, acting, etc...), literature (the libreto, the translation, the adaptation to lyrics, especially if there is counterpoint, which there will be), and music.
it's dense, and usually, it's dramatic and powerfull. it implies just that, dramaticism.
have you ever watched a ballerina dancing? it's suposed to imply lightness, graciousness, etc...
not to say it can't be powerfull, but that's what it's implied
probably the one i'm most familiar with
a ballade is like a narrative poem. it's a one movement piece wich must have lyrical and highly dramatic properties. wich are somewhat similar to a "song" setting.
>twinings irish breakfast
if you can find it, barry's gold blend. if your friend means "hurr durr black tea" not "you should drink barry's" he's a hipster cunt who doesn't know shit and you should steal his money so he stops wasting it on shit
>not just a memebook for a summer
Goetz - Schlucht, massive thing in 6 books that's still in the process of being published, I think he's trying to make an all-encompassing image of 2000 to 2010
Sibylle Lewitscharoff is doing some cool stuff, check out Blumenberg
and of course Reich-Ranicki's Meine Geschichte der deutschen Literatur just came out, I've been reading that one, but sadly it's not one big thing, but a collection of chronologically sorted essays
People here like Dietmar Dath but I find him insufferably pretentious, copy-pasting Wikipedia to make his dumb stories sound smarter
And of course, someone who I keep recommending here, Walter Moers' Zamonien books. Very unique deep fantasy, far from the tropes American neckbeards shit up the internet with.
Any good books while learning french. I don't want to read "The little Prince".
I actually picked up the Akira series not long ago. Was really surprised with how thick the whole collection is, each volume being much larger than a typical manga volume. Will be reading them later this year, I'm sure.
I used to read a lot as a kid for hours, now I have trouble focusing for more than a few paragraphs at a time.
It's not like I have no time to do it, but I just have difficulty focusing. How can I read more and still enjoy the experience?
Well the most obvious thing you can do is to try to read more, just to get yourself used to the pace, state of mind, etc.
Otherwise, you can try spending less time on the computer/listening to music/watching tv , basically reducing the amount of any activities you do that require no active thought or patiencel
I'm sure there are multiple strategies but I can only speak to my own. I started with Freud and Beyond to get a brief overview of the history of psychoanalysis starting with Freud up through the late 20th century. I found it helpful in giving me a taste of some of the different thinkers and theories without going into too much detail about any one in particular. Then I would recommend starting with Freud. Although much of psychoanalytic theory has deviated from Freud, he is always at the core of the discussion (even if he is being rejected). From Freud, it kind of depends on what you're into to some extent
Is the Signet Classics version of Don Quixote good?
Can someone post the edited version of this that has a 3rd person looking over the clouds into beautiful sun??
she's a terrible writer honestly. The books are about her ideal boyfriend and she inserts herself into many. Then the padding with multiple elaborations on her honestly shit philosophy coupled with the fact that her stories almost all end in the mc giving a speech on why he did what he did, the philosophy behind it etc.
A basic, entry-level rule of writing is show, don't tell. Don't tell the reader your character's traits and deeds, have him do them. Don't have the character just sum up the moral of the novel at the end, because that's what happens in childrens books.