This book is FUNNY. Why did no one tell me all my life? Moby Dick is always portrayed as some super serious victorian shit but it's funny as hell, it reminds me of the Coen Brothers a bit.
Hell yea. The beginning is downright hilarious. I also love when (I forget his name now) is calling out commands to the seamen to go faster, but not that fast! Or something along those lines.
This (minus the Coen Brothers part) is exactly how I felt about Ulysses. I wasn't expecting it to start off with a wacky line like
"STATELY, PLUMP BUCK MULLIGAN CAME FROM THE STAIRHEAD, bearing a bowl of lather on which a mirror and a razor lay crossed. A yellow dressing gown, ungirdled, was sustained gently-behind him by the mild morning air. He held the bowl aloft and intoned:
-- Introibo ad altare Dei."
I read and enjoyed about half of Moby Dick online (too poor to buy a copy) 3 years ago. I stopped when I lost internet service. I've thought about giving it another go but my backlog is huge right now.
What it did for me was make imagine in great detail the whale and the ship, and the manner in which they both functioned, so that at the end in the climax I had startlingly clear images of both how the whale would appear to them, and all the different actions that the crew were undertaking simultaneously. It added a kind of immersion.
It was also just interesting.
Oh it's certainly racist.
If you're looking for observations to be racist.
Melville simply observed certain traits for his characters and environments, most likely from his own experiences.
If you want to consider that racist, go right ahead.
eh...so the characters are racist, not the author...and the person laughing thinking that is funny? that blacks at one time couldn't afford a church that didn't look like a cheap motel? that a white person would mistake a holy place for black people as a shithole? thinking that's funny and not a shame... what does that make that guy?
You're right, Melville should have depicted the church as a cathedral tilted to the tits with gold.
McCarthy should have called the Mexicans Mexicans instead of niggers.
Dostoevsky should have had alyosha say "no" instead of "i don't know" when asked if Jews eat children on Easter.
This would make literature much better.
Reading comprehension. I'm right there with you, depicting racist characters does not make the author a racist... Just like the author of Lolita was the opposite of a pedophile an knew his protagonist was a villain. on the other hand...how is that funny?
wasn't the upshot of moby-dick that ishmael actually ended up getting on really well with all sorts of people and shared a fucking bed with the supposed savage queequeg and considered him a total bro and it's actually less racist than the average 21st century american or i am fucking dreaming here
>his protagonist was a villain
How can one resist feet like these? How can you? We're only human, cut the poor man some slack, he didn't even get to taste some of that pussy.
Lol I just jumped in and got excited. Didn't read the OP or the thread. Didn't know we were talking about humour, just racism. My bad.
Too stoned to read and apparently too stoned to shitpost.
I'm reading it through myself, and i completely agree! it's quite funny at times, other times are a bit dry and boring, but there are definitely funny parts. Also, did you get a bit misty eyed with man tears when Queequeg and Ishmael got married?
I dunno, I felt like it was a bit reminiscent of manly affection. I imagine it was a bit forward thinking, considering the times, in terms of a racial aspect. and in terms of a relationship between men, you really have to experience a fast friendship that includes affection without sexuality. I think homophobia ruins a lot of male companionship.
OP here, Ishmael is very emphatically not racist, it actually comes up. He didn't mistake the black church for a shitty hotel because it looked bad, he heard a commotion and assumed it was a rowdy hotel. Also the joke isn't "lol niggers," the joke is that he just burst into some church in the middle of a sermon thinking it was a hotel.
>Why did no one tell me all my life?
There's this author called Philip Hoare - the guy behind the "Moby-Dick Big Read" project, basically an expert-überfan who's totally obsessed with the novel - who finds it really funny, he always points it out during relevant talks or interviews.
I'd recommend his book, "Leviathan", if you're interested in either whales, whaling or Mellville and all things Moby-Dick, it's informative and a very enjoyable read.
among most normal males balking at sleeping two to a bed would be considered gayer than sleeping two to a bed. that type of homophobia only exists with insecure types and black people (for whatever reason)
It's pretty hilarious in parts. I couldn't stop laughing at the part when Queequeg sits on the sleeping sailor and nearly suffocates him, but thinks nothing of it because he always used servants as furniture back home.
I also find Dostoevsky pretty funny in parts - particularly when Marmeladov is drunkenly trying to kiss his wife's feet and beg her forgiveness, all whilst she's beating him around the head. It's especially funny if you know much about Dostoe's relationships with women.
nothing other than providing context to the reader
not only does one of the encyclopedic entries explain how little info there is about whales at that time
its also just Melville's style, he's very digressive
it's about his overwhelming desire to fuck that whale. he really really is obsessed with experiencing that whale.
but there is all of this cool shit going on around him. but all he can think about slipping his harpoon into that soft whale belly. all day. every day. whale. whale. whale. then when he gets to the very moment when he can slip that whale his harpoon he's like, meh. fuck this shit, lets go home. i'm not really into you anymore now that the chase is over.
The more serious military "schooling" programs like the UK commando or US Rangers require you to share a whole in the ground with several of your newest closest friends or risk hypothermia. Objecting to this calls your sexuality into question and worse, jeopordizes the other guys.
Ulysses had me laughing like crazy at some parts. Especially this chapter.