>>7683027 Myrna is an SJW. She tried to teach the Negro how they were being oppressed and was ultimately ignored.
Ignatius is a currently unrealized archetype. The moralizing conservative who tries to lead the savages and degenerates to salvation, where their guidance 'incidentally' requires an increase in power and authority. I imagine an American temperance movement leader or any other similar situation where people found opportunities to expand religious (and personal) power under the guise of social progress - Toole may have had the Civil Rights movement in mind.
>>7682995 Despite the descriptive passages, Conrad is clearly disgusted by what is going on around him. If you are interested in it, read King Leopold's Ghost or The Crime of the Congo by Arthur Conan Doyle.
>>7684373 I wasn't offended, no. I found the prose horrible. What about it did you like?
There's no ambiguity to any theme or sentence structure. Every description is overt and not evocative at all. It's a collection of sentences like 'the pretty tree was tremendously profound and moved with a such a mysterious air that my trembling heart picked up a pace or two.'
>>7684534 Because similar to how I want room to imagine an image, or what an image is supposed to look like and its intended effect (instead of being told 'the tree was disconsolately beautiful,' or something like that) I want room to think about the themes of what I'm reading, what exactly they're trying to get across. If I didn't get anything out of the prose from HOD that I couldn't have just gotten out of a simple synopsis and regurgitation of its themes - so, why bother reading it then?
>>7684555 I don't disagree with you - simple prose has its utilities. The problem is that Conrad's prose isn't simple. He wouldn't say 'the sky is blue,' he would say 'the mysterious sky was remarkably blue in such a fantastic way that it conjured within me a deep feeling of fantastic and rogueish peace gazing up astonished at its cloudy depths.'
Have you both studied literature, even in a minor capacity, to be able to understand and appreciate styles, forms and attractiveness of writing or is it just from your own reading and erudition that you can evaluate a mans writing and decided whether it is good or not?
Unless the writing is atrocious, even with screenplays, tv remotes etc I will not be able to say if it is bad or not.
While I was reading that "quote" I was legitimately thinking 'thats some nice writing'.
>>7684566 friendly reminder that its all subjective and just because you have a vendetta against a great book ( proabably because youre a libcuck and it triggers you) doesn't mean the book is not great.
>>7684607 I've formally studied literature only on the most entry-level. It's a passion, not a career. But I mean, this is Conrad. Many have spoken against his prose - Nabokov most famously.
>While I was reading that "quote" I was legitimately thinking 'thats some nice writing'. Well I wrote that trying to make it as bad as possible, but 'bad' to me is probably good to someone else. I wouldn't argue against subjectivity - all I ever asked was what about the prose was good to someone while explaining what about it I thought was bad, and I received no very good defense.
Conrad basically says that the Africans have just as much culture as the white people (on hearing the drumming in the distance, he compares with church hymns), but that despite how advanced/regressed our cultures our, we still have the potential for evil in our heart.
Chinua Achebe was bitching only because it was written by a man who, despite english being his third language, remains a far better writer than Chinua will ever be.
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