>>7683172 >recommending the Bible to stupid people Please don't. They're gonna turn into Creationists and nobody wants that >recommending Marx to stupid people Please don't. They're gonna try to actually do it and nobody wants that
>>7683187 >So why not turn into one via nice comfy read of a classic work instead of watching TV? Eh, fair enough >>7683187 >And about Marx, we're safe, those people aren't in charge Yeah, that's the thing about Communists though. They like revolutions.
>>7682916 It doesn't matter if you are below average if you are willing to take on reading and if you can think for yourself. Try reading novels. Alexandre Dumas, J.R.R. Tolkien, Hermann Hesse, Charles Dickens, George Orwell, Jules Verne would be suitable authors.
>>7682916 90 iq is still normal lower end (90-110 is the norm) plus you must mind there is fer points of error always. You can read anything but if you have really 90 iq it will just take longer for you to grasp. That is all really.
>>7683487 >You can read anything but if you have really 90 iq it will just take longer for you to grasp. That is all really.
This. People with a low or average IQ are capable of learning many things and often times do very well by just studying a specialization. You can still master things, it just takes longer that someone with a higher IQ. It is not a death sentence.
>>7683622 No memes, family. 80 IQ is just high enough to go on 4chan & funpost while still being too low to understand the misery of those that have average or above-average intelligence (I don't know for a fact that they're miserable, but a lot of them do seem like it). It's really quite nice down here. Ever notice how children have more fun than adults? Basically if you're dumb you get to retain the IQ of a child and continue having fun well into old age. And the good news is that you can always join us and live out an uncomplicated and emotionally untroubled existence with the help of a hammer.
>>7683301 You're thinking about literature awfully simplistically. See, the beauty about such transcendent and remarkable text as the Bible is that it presents different, distinct yet perfectly congruous and coexisting meanings to those of different intelligences, layered atop one another.
>>7685137 Why do you want to be any more intelligent than you are at the moment? Would you make any use of that intelligence? I wouldn't. I don't care about my intelligence, I can do all the things I am content doing, such as reading, using technology, playing muh grand strategy gayms, among other things I am too lazy to list out, so what more could I ask for? You can only suffer when you want something that you cannot have. Be content instead.
>>7685281 >IQ of 180 >crippling depression and anxiety starts at adolescence and lasts for 20 years >new drug comes out 2 years ago >able to begin functioning as a normal person >only now able to look back and see how badly I squandered my youth.
IQ isn't everything, it certainly isn't the limiting factor of success or happiness. Don't let a test score keep you from being who you want to be.
IQ correlates with many positive life outcomes. It's not pseudoscience. Sorry if yours is <125, and you're destined for a life of mediocrity. That said, the vast majority of people with +125 IQs will just be socially maladjusted autists who waste away their days on the internet.
135+ is entering autist territory. Mensa meetings being the prime evidence of the flaccidity of this particular dick-measure metric. Unless of course you happen to be one of the very few profound geniuses of this world.
IQ is just a bullshit number. Andy Warhol had an IQ of 86, but that didn't stop him from becoming one of the top illustrators in New York and then reinventing himself, creating some of the most iconic art the world has ever seen.
Awarding people money for doing well in IQ tests causes them to score better, a $10 incentive increased testers score by almost 20 IQ points. Duckworth, A.L., Quinn, P.D., Lynam, D.R., Loeber, R. & Stouthamer-Loeber, M., 2011. Role of test motivation in intelligence testing. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 108, 7716 –7720.
>>7682916 Iq of 133 here I am by far nowhere near as smart as some people who supposedly have less. I have a hard time reading and comprehending plenty of Shit. Iq is kinda bullshit. That or everyone else is just pretending.
>>7686046 intelligent people tend to be good at everything. >see gardner >multiple intelligences >visio-spacial intelligence >the same kind of intelligence is good for wood shop, playing cricket and calculus.
did you not read the greeks? the part where those brawny football types in the gymnasium were also studying medicine? that wrestling school and medical school were the same school?
I got my IQ tested at 132 and honestly I still feel like a dumbass. I seem to struggle with the easiest tasks and concepts can still take me a long time to grasp. It often seems like people with lower IQs have an easier time with immediately knowing how to do something, and just doing it.
>>7685349 >IQ correlates with many positive life outcomes. It's not pseudoscience. Sorry if yours is <125, and you're destined for a life of mediocrity. That said, the vast majority of people with +125 IQs will just be socially maladjusted autists who waste away their days on the internet. >I get all my views on the world from shitty tv shows
>>7686868 No, American public schools don't normally test for IQ. I'm sure some private or specialized schools may do it though.
I've personally had an IQ test 3 times. Once at 16, privately. Then again at 19 and 23 done as part of a research study that was going on at my university. They paid for volunteers to take the test, answer questions, and so on.
Yes, I'd agree that internet tests are pretty bogus.
I wouldn't say that IQ is (completely) bullshit, but the superlative importance that most of the people give to it is kind stupid. Also, you can read anything you want OP; don't let a stupid test take away your pleasure of reading.
>>7683301 >As in it's literally absolute truth dumbed down to the point that a 2nd century pleb could be able to understand it You're implying a 2nd century pleb would even be literate. That's not something you can take for granted in antiquity.
I had an IQ of 136. Then I did a bunch of drugs. Now it's 120 or so.
Sucks to be sure, but I was always a slow learner even before. I probably could have contributed to science in a minor minor way but I have lost that sort of critical thinking/higher creativity edge I had before. /end trying to come to terms with reality and self pity
High IQ isn't a be all and an end all. Like others are saying, you're not useless and probably could have learned faster than I when I was "smart". I had/have low processing speed which is a major detriment.
>IQ 152 (doesn't really matter around 3 standard deviations anyway) >tfw I'm bound by the same basic needs and urges as everybody else >tfw people with more determination and drive regularly out achieve me >tfw the girl I love is with another guy
High IQ makes life easier, but it's the not the magic fix it all some people expect. It doesn't absolve you from any other basic human needs and conflicts. And my academic and professional life didn't become easier, the material just became harder. Sure I'm studying at a higher level course than my friend with a lower IQ, but our respective courses provide an equal amount of challenge, relative to our capacity.
Plus, he's just straight up a better person than me.
>>7688475 >Am I destined for a life of mediocrity? No, but you are destined for a life of insecurity and one that is filled with compulsively matching yourself against the expectations of a society that doesn't care about you.
Does anyone have some sort of paper that explores the difference in experience between those with high iqs (or general high intelligence, iq is a useful measure but im not entirely convinced that its the be all and end all) and low iqs? As in general understanding of concepts, mathematics, literature, etc?
I wouldn't classify myself as that intelligent - I'm far too poorly read in numerous topics - but on IQ tests I've never scored below 130 so generally get classified in the higher percentiles of 'intelligence' and never had difficulty understanding anything in school or anything I've really read (sure, reading Kant is not that easy but with a little bit of effort its ok).
What is it actually liked to have low natural intelligence and struggle with 'intellectual' matters? I find it difficult to comprehend how someone would find say Calculus I difficult (providing you've done precalc of course, not that I'm saying Calc I is difficult, just people do seem to bemoan calculus) or really struggle with reading the likes of Hegel or Shakespeare or Gaddis or whatever. Ironically enough this difficulty of comprehension is probably a sign of low intelligence.
tl;dr anyone have an essay or paper or w/e on the actual experience of being a bit thick?
>>7685281 no way dude, the higher your IQ the more aspergersish and less chad-like you get. really doesn't help at all to succeed in life. success comes from lots of hard work and a little bit of luck at the right times, not intelligence.
My memory is shit (nothing sticks), I can learn the different aspects of a concept but can only learn them in "chunks" with major problems tying the big picture together, my processing is way slower, I have no interest in much about philosophy or the finer things, though I try. I'm mainly what one would describe as slow. I can't think ahead, I'm scatter brained. Low abstract comprehension.
You just don't understand things as efficiently, as holistically, as deeply, as being connected.
My saving grace is that I write decently and have been able to work out a living doing this.
>>7689742 >no way dude, the higher your IQ the more aspergersish and less chad-like you get. really doesn't help at all to succeed in life. success comes from lots of hard work and a little bit of luck at the right times, not intelligence.
this is what all the lazy unsuccessful nerds tell themselves. if u really smart then u gonna rise in a free market, after i got some experiencing managing people i now know there really aren't any "lazy but smart people", all the smart people are also hard workers...meanwhile laziness and being a dumbfuck goes hand in hand, sure we have some hardworking dumbasses, but in general the worker population splits along hardworking + smart vs. lazy + stupid...the hardworking smart people get more responsibility (and more pay) the lazy stupid people get let go as soon as possible. you may fool yourself and your mom with those excuses but nobody else believes it or wants to hear it
>>7685500 Andy Warhol was a talentless hack. He didn't even produce his own art. His art was a satire but people took it seriously and ran with it.
The only requirement for genius is to have an IQ >125. I have 140, one of my friends who is reading mathematics was tested at 155, I know other people who are 131, 145, 124, etc. I believe, Rousseau was only "smart", rather than a genius. As was Darwin, Mozart and others.
Having a high IQ isn't enough, you need to be creative and possess "genius" whatever that quality is. There are plenty of people who have high IQs due to autistic traits rather than genius traits. They are very easy to spot.
>>7692837 >3 standard deviations is only 1% of the populations I know this is /lit/ but this is literally the most basic thing in statistics, at least look this shit up before you make yourself look like 90 iq untermensch
I was given an IQ test in first grade (Age 7) and was subject to all sorts of enrichment programs by the school following the results along with one other girl from my grade.
These programs were unorthodox and persisted throughout elementary school. Looking back on it I feel as if we were a social experiment as there already was a standard enrichment program consisting of about 10 students that met at regular intervals.
Looking back at it, the entire situation is bizarre. Most certainly a waste of resources as well considering how I turned out.
>>7688475 125 is just right in terms of correlation. The further up the spectrum, the more alienated one becomes. It is extremely high, it's just that on 4chan everyone is autistic and insecure, so standards rise.
>>7685349 >That said, the vast majority of people with +125 IQs will just be socially maladjusted autists who waste away their days on the internet.
I have high IQ and almost died of mental illness. (Serious suicide attempt.) So high IQ can be literally fatal, in a way. I also otherwise suffer from chronic depression and demotivation and really I'd kill myself if it weren't just for my family; that's the only reason I haven't re-attempted suicide.
On the other hand I have a steady job as a programmer because I learned computer science better than 90% of everyone who studies it, all by my own (dropped out of HS), and also otherwise understand shit like really fast. Getting interested in politics lately. I will probably devote my life to radical feminist activism in some way since that makes me genuinely happy; I think the world radfems want to construct is one inherently friendlier to hyper-sensitive people like me. I need lots of love.
>>7697331 My name is on the R7RS-small. I actually have gigantic holes in my CS knowledge simply because I never concerned myself with a particular topic, but it's like I can just get into any specialized subtopic and learn it fast as hell. OTOH people who get a BSc in CS seem to forget the most basic stuff in a year and just turn into bad code monkeys.
>>7697336 >people who get a BSc in CS seem to forget the most basic stuff in a year and just turn into bad code monkeys
that's because like two years of a cs degree is wasted on irrelevant shit like newtonian physics and the calculus sequence...in the whole degree you will probably only do two or three classes that involve writing anything more than trivial code...it's not that ppl forget how to write good code, they never learned, but golly they sure do have differential equations hammered into their brain as if this will be useful for anything...they need to separate cs from the rest of stem and swap out all the engineering oriented math based on continuous wave forms and have the basic mandatory classes all be discrete math and probability
>>7697507 >>radical feminist activism >Anyone falling for this bait has an IQ under 100. This thread attracts more idiots than it does genuinely intelligent individuals.
it's true, any truly self-taught geek is going to be a self-important misogynist who thinks he's fucking jon galt or w/e, dudes like that are a dime a dozen, all of them hate women (that's why so many programming jobs require a degree "for no reason", the reason is to sort out the angry basement wackos from the educated and sociable)
>>7697507 >someone intelligent cannot possibly have an ideology I disagree with!! OK mate. I'm afraid I'm for real though.
>>7697517 Makes sense. I bet 90% of people getting a CS degree don't know what lexical scoping is at the end of it.
>>7697531 Some parts of software-nerd culture are golden when it comes to feminism. I basically started learning feminism in the #emacs IRC channel. But what you say probably has a lot of truth to it too. I mean look at fucking Eric Raymond.
>>7697573 Wtf kind of whiney non-sequitur question is that? I fucking called it prior to you even mentioning it. I'm sorry you're pissed off that you're a wimpy little queer too afraid to deal with living but this just doesn't make sense.
>>7697585 I'm just pointing out that you're one of those silly people who think that the "IRC" people sometimes talk about on 4chan is all of IRC.
IRC is literally just a chat protocol; there are a dozen servers implementing it, and on every server there are literally hundreds of channels.
When people talk of "IRC" on 4chan in the sense of organized shitposter groups, they're speaking of some specific channels on the Rizon IRC servers, AFAIK. I tried lurking in one of them once (Sitztra's channel or whatever his name was), and was banned after someone noticed I was foreign to the channel. Indeed I was trying to "spy" on them to see if/how they were really organizing shitposting on /a/, because some shit on /a/ was really getting on my nerves.
Normally I just use software-related channels on Freenode, and sometimes OFTC. Has absolutely no relation to the IRC shitposters you have in mind.
>>7697589 I used Arch, OpenBSD, and currently Debian. I contribute to GNU Guix and will switch to GuixSD once it has all the features I'd like. I contributed to the 7th version of the Scheme programming language standard.
Why do people get so mad when you simply point out your achievements? I'm not trying to brag. We're anonymous. I'm explicitly trying to hide my identity. It's not like I don't feel proud, but you're just being childish. Jelly much?
>>7697672 thanks for the info-dump I half read you sperg-burgalar but considering I knew that your being a little bitch who follows radfems was related to IRC I would think it's self-evident I'm familiar with what exactly it is. I suppose there is no cure for you being a self-important autist.
>>7697702 >I knew that your being a little bitch who follows radfems was related to IRC This literally makes zero sense though. You probably thought "OMG someone mentioned radical feminism, must be a troll!! IRC are trolls!! therefore must be IRC!!" when in fact I happen to be a programmer who uses IRC and also a radfem supporter who started learning about radfem on various programmer communities on IRC.
>>7697723 >wow bro let me know when u get a paying job I have one though. It's from my coworkers that I know that graduated people know shit.
>>7697730 I wrote an IRC chat bot some time and would have it in mind but ... wait I'm literally replying to someone who doesn't capitalize their sentences and uses the word "pussy" as an insult.
>>7697756 What did you just say about me you little bitch? I'll let you know I graduated at the top of my class at the Navy Seals. I have over 100 confirmed kills from various ISIS raids. You are nothing but another target to me.
Good night, /lit/. Despite all, you're the best board.
>>7697767 m8 one of my best buddies on IRC is a 26 year old wigger who does graphic design for nightclubs. It's not a secret autistic safe space no one from 4chan could possibly understand. I clearly know there are feminist underpinnings in programming communities. Please consider suicide.
>>7697803 all my irc buddies were either neckbeards or wiggers, irc was a cool bizarro world back in the day, efnet was like the internet ghetto, but the only ppl left now are really fucking autist and annoying
>>7683713 yeah i remember when i was kid and i thought movies like Predator 2 or Lethal Weapon 3 or something was good, the thing that makes me sad thinking about though is that my dad would watch those movies with me on our VCR at home on the couch and he would enjoy them too, poor poor pleb, on the other hand he would rent obscure foreign shit too, so maybe he was just humoring me
Where the fuck do you go to actually take an IQ test? I'm Googling and can't find anything. I have a feeling I'd just be slightly above average, the visual/spatial things always fuck me up and I just go with intuition.
Someone may have recommended FLowers for Algernon in jest but it really is a great story taht everyoe should read. To recognise your own limitations but strive to do keep doing better is the mark of greatness. Keep going OP, your IQ doesn't mean you cannot keep learning and developing
not op but i took the wais and got 115 in everything (wtf, I thought i did much better) and 145+ in the verbal section but that part didn't even seem to require thought, just clearly crystallized knowledge...i'm going to discount it
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