>>7673736 because you want to fuck her and know that you can't and know that she knows that you want to fuck her and can't and poses like she does specifically because of this - basically you're angry because she's trying to auto-cuck you and you either feel a) hurt and cucked and inferior b) disgusted at the i) narcissism ii) cruelty required for someone to pull such a stunt
1) Every piece is in first person. 2) Guess who that first person is? Every time. 3) The subject of the piece: the need for that first person to be loved and/or respected. 4) Also, the first person is always representative of a group/gender/ethnicity/sexual preference/religion. 5) The pauses and beats never correspond to the words, only the speaker. Slam poets give themselves away when they talk about "flow" and "rhythm"--they don't understand meter. 6) If there's rhyming, the rhymes are simple, unimaginatively paired one-syllable affairs (bed head dead red), or they end with -ology or -ization. 7) Chief rhetorical tactics: hyperbole and punchlines (..and I am hard as CALCULUS...) 8) Chief presentation strategies: yelling, emoting, and rushing. Because the words don't work on their own, and there's always too many of them for the time allotted. 9) Dollars to donuts, the piece was written within three days of it being performed. 10) Absolutely, positively no underneath. No subtexts, no metaphors, no discernible attention to sound, no interestingly paired words, and not one phrase or idea you'll remember three minutes after the speaker is done. Ever.
>>7673758 Was thinking more she has a prepackaged personality everyone is falling for. I mean there's no way an ugly girl would be able to pull off that tone of voice along with those ideas. She's basically a try hard phony.
>>7673772 I performed at an open mic club in Cambridge Mass recently and while for the most part I agree with you entirely, there are definite exceptions to the rule (myself being one of them, obviously). However, this is only the case when it directly define itself as 'slam' poetry—but not all poetry read aloud on stage in front of an audience (very often consisting of feminists, SJWs, empowered black students, and other obnoxiously liberal charlatans who love to snap and clap themselves on the back whenever they hear a painfully cookie-cutter line about why they're so progressive and pure and proud to be among such a wonderfully like-minded and, much more importantly, right-minded mob of merry pseudo-intellectuals) is slam poetry.
Anyway, in case you were curious about my experience performing: the first poem I read was a grocery list, the second about blackmail. Tee-hee. I was cut-off for 'going over the time limit,' but really they couldn't handles.
>>7673828 >I can’t bear these accounts I read in the Times and elsewhere of these poetry slams, in which various young men and women in various late-spots are declaiming rant and nonsense at each other. The whole thing is judged by an applause meter which is actually not there, but might as well be. This isn’t even silly; it is the death of art
>>7674076 God she had these really great small videos that showed more of her personality that wasn't so political and ideological as some of her 'slam~~~ poetry' which I admit is kinda cringey. I think she deleted some of them, though. Shucks. Here's something I kinda enjoy though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MheNg4-QePA
>>7673985 On a scale of cringe, it actually can be. Never have my toes curled at a event in the Rwandan marshes than they have at some fat bitch screaming BECAUSE STRAIGHT WHITE MEN CAN'T TELL ME HOW TO FEEL HAPPPYYYY111!!!
Women are cruel in a way you can't possibly appreciate until you see it from the inside. Lack of worth in a suitor translates to complete "badness." They feel the same license to exploit, abuse, humiliate, etc. a person if they're not an Impressive Male Specimen that the average man feels about triple-convicted child rapists or whatever. There's almost a weird hatred there for failed, weak men. Even among the nicest, most reflective ones, there is always this tinge of enjoying shitting directly down a beta male's throat. Especially when that beta male is cluelessly supplicating, doesn't realize his own unworthiness, etc.
There's some quote like "young men delight in thinking that women are angels, and are dismayed when they learn that it's not always so." If there's any incommunicable instinct that I wish I could beam directly into the minds of all dudes, one of those things you can only learn by getting your battle scars from it first-hand, it's just how petty and mean women really are. It's so hard to describe the juxtaposition of what your dick wants you to think they are, and what they really are.
Just remember, women have no sense of their romantic or even their sexual power over you. They benefit from it, they're immersed in it, but they don't embody it gracefully or graciously. The chivalrous worship that some part of your brain wants to give to them isn't reciprocated on any instinctive level by them, there is no yin / yang harmony waiting to happen there. They are basically short, weak, listlessly hedonistic men, boring and petty and selfish by default, who have been born with a silver spoon between their legs. They will not be nice to you if you kneel and offer your heart to them. That cooing "awww" moment where they realize the depth of your love is more substantial than some alpha male's Lamborghini only exists in movies. Women exist to take the hearts of supplicants and sell them on the black market to pay for the alpha's Lambo lease. Especially be wary if you meet one or end up dating one and find yourself thinking "this one's DIFFERENT."
Those ones are the ones that take the other organs too. Always close yourself off a bit with women. The transcendent friendship your culture tells you you'll find with them is a misguided delusion of degraded Platonic love. They don't understand it and they never will.
>>7674147 personally I fetishize short hair on females quite a bit. I can look past the political views myself because I think I'm probably more left than she is. Or. It's hard to describe, but that's approximately correct.
I know of an even cuter girl on youtube with poetry and songs that are actually kinda good, with only like 7000 subscribers, and an average view count of like 10000, though a lot of her more recent ones are only getting like 700. Point is, she's small, she's fantastic, and I'm not sure if I should share her with you assholes. She's British, she's funny, she's cute, she's smart, she has an actually reasonable view on feminism, her singing voice is fantastic. :^)
>>7674354 because they are grills....the can't help but be grills, but the question is this...are you a grill or are you a man...or are you none of those? you may have a penis but are you a man or are you just a thing that breathes and is human? i think we shouldn't settle for being just a humans, that is wasting a miracle, the miracle of life. be what your nature wants and you will be happy, go against it like you have and you will not be, please stop. god speaks trough the mouth of the crazy people think about it, peace
i saw one where a girl talks about the california dialect having lots of "umm"s and "like"s in it because men kept interrupting women and it had 300K views and people were taking it seriously, like in a george carlinesque "it's funny because its true" sort of way
bit embarrassing desu
also why does the sort of person who thinks liking slam poetry is acceptable not seem to know any words other than "powerful"
>>7673736 because she was born into one of the most pampered, privileged classes of human beings who have ever walked this earth with every possibility to be a truly great, worthwhile and interesting person afforded to her from birth and she's spent her time making youtube videos about why having lots of sex is okay and how anxiety is a bit shit because it's better than developing a personality
Slam poetry and people like this are everything that is wrong with the world. These people make me sick to my stomach.
Forget war, poverty, heartbreak, injustice... these can all be justified in some way. I can understand why men go to war with eachother. I can understand poverty and desperation and why some have been captured by it. I can understand injustice and how it warps our world.
I can't understand this kind of person. I can't understand these people. Desperately trying to come across as intellectual or ''artsy'' as if it were just a hobby or a fad to be a poet or writer. A fashion. Poetry... used by some of the greatest minds to have ever lived, to convey all that is, and ever has been important on this earth, reduced to a fashion. For these people, it's just a way to signal where you see yourself in society and to attract other people to be your friend, or give you money, or buy your other meaningless work about absolutely nothing. I can't understand when some priviledged, spoiled brat, average, pretentious teenager tries to play the poet because it's ''hot right now'' and posts videos of themselves reading their worthless garbage streams of consciousness into a camera that has been placed purposefully to emulate an angle used in pornography. Naive and sheltered fools trying desperately to steal any attention they can, pissing all over the great works of this art and being applauded by other morons while doing so.
It's shit like this that reminds me, If I needed to do so... It's within me to kill another human being. It's probably lurking within us all, but for whatever reason shit like this brings it to the front of my mind.
Why should I be subjected to this shit? Bombared by moronic cunts and their ''poetry'' that's always about their own worthless struggle or having ''anxiety'' This shit is enough to give anyone fucking anxiety.
What can these people teach me? What can they teach anyone?
I understand where you're coming from, especially given the content of *most* slam poetry from prominent supporters like Button. But, I think there are spoken word/slam poets who do offer interesting insights and are beneficial to the poetry world at large. I'm a fan of Kate Tempest and Sam Sax.
>>7675582 >I think I don't care who you're a fan of to be quite honest with you. >slam poets who do offer interesting insights and are beneficial to the poetry world at large. And your opinion goes well and truly into the fucking trash, where it belongs.
Can't believe so many retards browse this board and genuinely offer up their uneducated opinion as if it's original thought. This place has been ruined by reddit and tumblr now, honestly.
>>7675073 Agree with the first part, not so much the killing people part. These people are so desperate to feel oppressed because that's what's cool when you're a teen that they completely ignore just how well-off they are. Have they ever had to walk a mile in scorching desert heat just to get drinking water that's not contaminated? Or had to dodge sniper fire just to get across the city to see their grandma who is dying because she can't afford a doctor? Hell no they haven't! Makes me sick.
>>7675634 >walk a mile in scorching desert heat just to get drinking water that's not contaminated? >Or had to dodge sniper fire just to get across the city to see their grandma who is dying because she can't afford a doctor? >Hell no they haven't!
can't even make it through most slam poems. it's all blunt schmaltz turned up to 11. like they took the most sentimental part of a john green novel and read it over and over again with raising intensity.
seriously who does that? do they not have souls? maybe they are empty and barren inside and so they need something hyper sincere to make up for the fact that they've never felt a genuine emotion in their life.
>>7675073 >What can these people teach me? >What can they teach anyone? >Absolutely nothing. What's sad is that this isn't a problem, there's always been retards around and they're needed, the problem is they've now got "legitimacy" because of mainstream liberal propaganda, this new swelling hugbox(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IURDfBgbMi8). It's been a slow gradual process to dumb down art as a whole, to dumb down the importance of legitimate hard-earned skills, but also of logical thinking. >Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
Does anyone have a link to that slam poetry thing with 3 mixed race chicks talking about evil whidey mom and so on?
>>7675600 If you think /lit/ is bad, don't go to /his/.
>This place has been ruined by reddit and tumblr. Oh yeah, let me tell ya sonny, back in my day we had to walk five miles uphill in the snow to get to Usenet. And when we got there everyone was as smart as Socrates, you kids these days...
>>7675652 >like they took the most sentimental part of a john green novel and read it over and over again with raising intensity. Accurate.
>seriously who does that? do they not have souls? maybe they are empty and barren inside and so they need something hyper sincere to make up for the fact that they've never felt a genuine emotion in their life. "Fake it 'till you make it" - and then frantically try to show off to the other husks and lull yourself into a feeling of "hey, maybe I'm actually a person after all!"
>>7675671 > heyy guise look how sensitive I am, please like me i'm not like those other guys, i'm a nice guy and I promise to treat m'lady right like the princess she is, please date me dear god don't say no
>>7675654 >the problem is they've now got "legitimacy" This is what I was trying to get across, yeah.
>Slow gradual process to dumb down art as a whole, to dumb down the importance of legitimate hard-earned skills, but also of logical thinking. The dumbing down of art has reached crisis point, definitely.
>If you think /lit/ is bad, don't go to /his/. This was me aswell, and yeah... the whole site has gone to shit since I last came on.
>>7675707 You're implying again. I've probably read more poetry from slam poets than you have. Get back to me when you've read hundreds of thousands of lines of any poetry at all, though. 9 times out of 10, slam poetry is just people shouting random shit and expecting people to find meaning in absolutely nothing.
Why do you assume anyone with a dissenting opinion is simply dumber than you? Or hasn't read as much poetry as you? Are you that insecure?
I already admitted that most slam poetry is exactly as you described; I offered slam poets, who are both very talented and successful outside the world of slam poetry, who you might enjoy, and you instantly wrote them off.
Am I supposed to be impressed when you tell me you've read thousands of lines of poetry? Good job; you have to read less than two parts of Paradise Lost to get that far.
>>7675807 I said hundreds of thousands, faggot. That's a whole lot more than two parts of Paradise Loft.
>Why do you assume anyone with a dissenting opinion is simply dumber than you? Implying >Or hasn't read as much poetry as you? Implying >Are you that insecure? Implying
>I offered slam poets, who are both very talented and successful outside the world of slam poetry >talented >successful Because ''success'' is an indicator of whether something poetry is good, right?
>you instantly wrote them off. You don't even know if I already knew who they were or whether I was already familiar with their work, you fucking idiot.
>Am I supposed to be impressed I don't care if you are impressed at all. I wouldn't care if you died for fucks sake. I'm just sick to death of 16 year olds coming here from Tumblr after reading Bukowski's Women and thinking that they are some sort of genius poet despite having never read a poem that wasn't posted as some tools facebook status.
When he tore my tight little hole apart I was seven and slept with a knife in my heart, but even then, there wasn't enough blood to turn me into the ocean, so I rose up and drown him in my waves of oppression. No longer will I sleep with a shotgun, but will rather cut off all dicks and eat them with a pitchfork, turn manbone to ivory, hunt them to extinction, refuse to put them on the endangered species list.
I have a theory that the reason that millennials (myself included) play up being the victim is because we grew up in the 90s and early 2000s, a time when "misunderstood, brooding heroes" were at the forefront of popular culture (or at least marketed to kids, anyway)
Does this explain the horrible abnormality of slam poetry? No.
I think there's something wrong with art, maybe. Or the way it is translated to the lowest artistic denominator (i.e. slam poets).
Rap is better than this shit, and a large majority of rap is terrible (and I like hip hop).
Semi-related: Can someone explain to me what the fuck dub poetry is?
I could see that playing into it, but I think the prevalence of a feeling of "victimhood" among 20-something millennials stems from three things:
1. Generally, it is a generation that was told they could do whatever they want because everyone is a special snowflake. Those who can't cope with the reality of being average have a lot of pent up resentment that life has not given them the things they perceived it as promising.
2. There's a very prevalent narrative of victimhood pushed by the media and in popular culture for any person who can consider themselves a minority or is a woman or conceivably oppressed in some way (even if they're rich upper middle class cry babies that have literally had everything handed to them on a platter.)
3. To compound the above points, we live in an age of ubiquitous instantaneous gratification via digital mediums (Facebook, video games, etc. etc.) that people indulge in constantly, thereby distracting themselves - whether intentionally or not - from life and its hardships. That kind of easy escape compounds the issue of hard work for people who already hate hard work, making the fact they're not living their shiny easy dream life more distressing. Breeding more displaced resentment and feeding into the oppression/victimhood paradigm because it's easier to blame the patriarchy/cispeople/mom & dad/whatever than face the cold truth that it's you holding yourself back because you're a lazy privileged dickhead.
At my school there was a kid named Paul He had a limp and had trouble walking the halls Sometimes he would stumble and then he would fall Laughter came quickly with a thundering gawffaw Soon after, his weak cry of pain turned into a bawl It was unfair, because he wasn't his fault Nobody helped because nobody cared at all He wasn't bright, and was prone to brawls Also, he spoke weirdly with an exaggerated drawl Although, he smiled each day and tried to remain calm He had a picture in his wallet of his mom "Mama's Boy" is what we used to call Paul
>>7677631 That wasn't me who was defending it, retard. I don't care if you believe me or not... It's just silly to call someone a ''virgin'' or say something they have said is ''virgin'' when they've probably fucked more women than you.
Also, I've been on 4chan since 06. More than most people. Please, how new are you, though?
>>7677001 I think its more to do with autism and how useless we are. Few of us have skills, there a very few jobs that require skills in the west. Schools don't teach us shit, our parents don't teach us shit. People thought the world was gonna change for the better, that we'd all be free, but it didn't and now you've got a generation of people who literally cannot get a fulfilling career, who can't have a fulfilling hobby and so have to wade through the misery this creates to pretend to be fulfilled and fake it till they make it. Slam poetry is a expression of misplaced misery and social retardation, no one knows whats going on so they just thrash about on stage for a bit and then the audience clap before its because either theyre up next or they just wanna feel like they're part of something and a social movement is born that pretends saying nothing in the same style as everyone else is a brilliant skill because no ones quite sure what anything means beyond general applause. They're not applauding the poet they're applauding themselves for going to slam poetry events, for appreciating the 'art', for applauding. We have to be the most social inept generation possible, people order ubers because they're to afraid of sticking their hand out in the street, of actually talking to the driver more than the bare minimum. Social networks didn't destroy our socializing, we never had it and thats why we use social networks. Everything is just an attempt to pretend we have practical skills and social skills, to trick ourselves into thinking we have the value we so deeply crave. There is no difference between /pol/, tumblr feminism, slam poetry, whatever, it's just a circle jerk to make you feel better. Even supposedly aware circle jerks are just the same, the sincerity of irony, pretend your doing something as a joke and you'll be able to do it more sincerely than anywhere else.
The solution is: we're fucked, lets either mass suicide or try and change the world and bring up a generation of children capable of living in that world. I prefer the former
>One of the more interesting end products (to me, at least) of this constant shifting is that poets in the slam always worry that something — a style, a project, a poet — will become so dominant that it will kill the scene, but it never does. Ranting hipsters, freestyle rappers, bohemian drifters, proto-comedians, mystical shamans and gothy punks have all had their time at the top of the slam food chain, but in the end, something different always comes along and challenges the poets to try something new.
So tell me about a time where themes pertaining to third-wave feminism wasn't the hegemony in slam poetry.
Poetry slam is and has always been rap battles for white people without a sense of rhythm. While neither are art, rap battles are at least much less obnoxious and potentially entertaining.
>Some retarded thing I wrote for a slam poetry thread a little while ago.
This is uh about something that uh happened to me uh when I was younger. It's called "Rake" [TRIGGER WARNING] So uh, this poem has some vulgar and potentially triggering language. Ahem. *Shuffle notes* *Adjust mic*
I hate slam poetry It's not poetry Poetry is what I say it is Fuck the establishment I don't need meter, I'm raw emotion Fuck the establishment with a rake I was raped By my dad and two dudes both named Jake A black women told me I hate So I stopped hating and started to celebrate The art of slam poetry While two jakes and my dad keep my anus And my heartbreak Is in a hole in the ground filled with steak I am meat Am I meat It wasn't nice to meet you, rapist With your fistfucking eyes and your hate When you broke me down and scattered me I had to gather myself up with a rake Now I can't even look at group photos without getting shakes Because I see how I look just like daddy So I take selfies without me in them Take myself out of my online expression Because your masculine aggression Ruin'd me and bruised me I'm a mistake But daddy I was a mistake And you with two dudes both named Jake Dug your own graves So I'll fill them with my words This slam poem that I hate And get out my rake And piss on your graves Because you said that night was full of mistakes But the only mistake was those bones I wish I break Those ribs you broke and left me to hang Dripping blood out of my empty grave You stuffed yourself in and tried to decay But fuck you, daddy, and fuck you both Jakes I'll beat you to death with my rakes For your dirty butcher gardner rape
But how it that possible? What's the name of that visual illusion? I suppose it is because something goes on in our brains when we see a color under the shadows which prevents us from seeing it in the same way we would see an object which is not under a shadow.
An assortment of instruments Designed for torture Shrouded in remnants of the Recently butchered Celiatic incisions will prepare the needs, Of cleaving this being of inferior deeds. Dysphotically dissecting, Her figure disarrayed and Shackled to the slab Subphernically punctured This ventrotomy will serve ease Of an anal celioctomy, an Abdominal cecostomy. Now occluded and entering empathetically Celiatic intercourse excites me Distending and ripping melanosis Celiocenthetic sludge moistens this fistula Saturated in tepid abdominal excretion Asphyxiating the steaming septic secretion Orifices erupt melena, induced And juiced intestinal fluid Ingesting excrescence, splattered bowels pour bile immerses my throat. Emulsifying crusting corpulence Extracting ruptured vessels Induced copremesis, vomiting excrement Flesh floats abroad lympathic phlegm Coagulation weakness, clotting collapses Sewage flows soaking, pulsating pustules Intestinal excrement embraces chunks This excrement convulsed
>>7690531 No, I like some of it. The cunt in OP's post really fucked me off though, hence the huge post. Fucking scumbags shitting on some peoples only reason for living. There's so many similar to her now and I hate the lot of them, I'll be honest. Typewriters and ''depression'' is in at the minute though. Anxiety is the new poverty.
It's the new cool to be a ''starving artist'' but not actually starving. Or uh, producing anything worthy of being called ''art''...
Sometimes I think about what will be looked back on from our time, you know, what will be remembered and held up as being masterful or revolutionary... and I can't help but think that it's probably going to be something like this from someone like her, somehow it survives time... And honestly it makes me cry. I begin to tear up and cry.
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