Do you find you have to make an active effort to hide your power level from people outside of /lit/?
Have you ever alienated anyone because of your taste?
I once told someone that objectively there are better forms of literature, and referred to Dostoyevsky, Turgenev, Yeats, and Marlowe as examples compared to John Greene, JK Rowling, Carol Ann Duffy, or Stephany Meyer. They never spoke to me again.
>implying I talk to people
>[the current year]
>not being completely detached from your emotions to the point of barely being human
Sometimes people say that i sound smart because i've a "more than average" vocabulary, but that's all.
I've failed too hard the game of life for trying to have literary conversation outside the internet
Unrelated, but does anyone else find the image of "curling up" annoying? Why's it so bothersome to imagine someone grabbing this text and cozying up in a pile of blankets to have theirself a good cry?
One time I started spouting on about Zizek's First as Tragedy to my coworkers for a few minutes before I noticed they were only asking what I was reading to be polite and were entirely disinterested.
Felt like kind of a tool.
In my experience people are generally a lot more receptive to complex or intelligent topics than you guys give them credit for. This uncomfortable mixture of arrogance and anxiety is probably why your conversations go wrong.
I'm scared to death of finally meeting someone who reads postmodern literature, only to find that they are racist "redpilled" reactionaries who worship Harold Bloom, post on 4chan and will completely shun me for liking The Hobbit.
I came into college hoping that I'd be able to surround myself with like-minded people regarding literature, but people who read at all, yet alone people with decent taste, are somewhat few and far between.
I didn't think of myself as some sort of smug elitist before but I've just had to come to terms with being a patrician. It's been rough.
No because most of friends read good books, especially my close friends, and those who don't read I talk about different things with.
Or I'm just not a douhce about it. You can call stuff like John Green garbage without alienating people too. Same with music. I once told a group of people that I think Mumford and Sons blow. Besides my two friends who agreed, there rest were all like "how can you not like them??" I explained why I think they suck and no one was offended. How big of an ass act like to alienate people so easily?
I'm friends with people who read, and yes I'm an English undergrad. Nevertheless, I enjoy talking to my classmates, college buddies, professors, and even grad students about what we read. My focus is creative writing, so my writer friends and I usually discuss technique and elements in writing rather than theme and content when talking about stories or books that we've read.
I've only ever alienated myself. I have been subtly asked to stop attending 2 bookclubs (of mostly women) people get annoyed when I tell them I can't be bothered reading some Nora Roberts book. Do you guys have any idea how many women literally do nothing but work/school/Netflix? The women who do read usually like stuff like john green, and the perks of being a wallflower... Edgier girls like Chuck planinuik. I just can't be bothered and when I do I can't help but Bloom-them-the-fuck-out and tell them why their book was mediocre at best.
I do something of the sort, but I have some very specific friends, one focused for each one of my hobbies. I have two friends that I can talk about vidya with, one friend that I can talk about literature, one I can talk about music and around four or five that I can talk about film with. There is also my best friend and also my gf which I can talk about any of those things to, but they just listen because I always ask about their tastes as well. With the rest of my friends and when in a group we mostly talk about shit and football (soccer for the muricans).
Yes, it means that the book serves only as an emotional dildo and will illicit the same reaction from anyone who reads it. The phrase is only used for books that don't require any intellectual effort to understand, and are instead supposed to be part of a comforting and relaxing experience.
i don't know but it annoys me, too. i always picture a woman in her early 20s with glasses, sitting at a diagonal on a couch with her legs folded beneath her. in one hand in a retardedly large cup of coffee with lots of sugar and milk/cream/creamer, and some shit tier ya romance in the other. she's got a blanket draped over her shoulders and an iphone on the seat in front of her. she's attractive and if given the chance i would not hesitate to give her the d but she's super annoying so i'd leave after we were done.
>Do you guys have any idea how many women literally do nothing but work/school/Netflix?
This is true of a great deal more men. There is a difference, though; which is that women who read authentically good literature are usually 'cool', as in, they're mostly to be found in circles you'll need to be up to date on fashion, music, politics, and memes to move in, not just on literature. That you've attended two bookclubs ever, and apparently on your lonesome, would give some indication of why you're not in these circles and can't find these women. Which was a bit vicious of me to say, but all I wanted was to help you contextualise yourself.
>tfw an 80 yr. old woman is spamming DFW and telling people to fuck off back to Plebbit.
If 4chins is good for something, it's giving me an environment to talk about literature, vidya, and film in an actual discussion.
I know it's more true for men, and I appreciate your honesty. Truthfully I'm lonely as fuck, but every interaction I have makes me care less for it. That's why I just browse /lit/ instead of attending actual bookclubs. And I never mention that I read to anyone, though I do sometimes read in public areas which draws attention to myself.
Also, those hip people you speak of are usually reading stuff like Demian or Catcher in the Rye... something with an edge like that anyway. They are great books, but do you think any of these people have even read the Iliad? Never mind all the meme books, these people can't be bothered to read the classics.
>not responding: "I went to the Yale University bookstore and bought and read a copy of "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone." I suffered a great deal in the process. The writing was dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs." I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing."
Occasionally to my sister, since she used to be a librarian and she saw the myriad of obscure books I would rent or try to find. She only reads Steven King, YA shit like your pic, and feminist garbage. I've tried to broaden her horizon, but like most normal people, she only likes mainstream trash and loves audiobooks.
I once talked to two of my friends about Bukowski when we we're at our favorite bar awhile back, I couldn't believe the feminist one was the one that was actually starting to like him.
>I accept the fact that I will never meet anyone who is interested in books like I am outside of the internet.
everyone's better than you at something. a lot of those people are better than you at politics, philosophy, art, music, history--all things which you can discuss if you are truly cultured. books are great but they are not the only facet of culture.
Not to disagree with you but
>implying most people have expertise in those areas anyway
I have some interaction with them, and I'll say without reservation, yeah, they will have done. In fact, some of them will have read it out of translation. Of course it depends on where you are, what city you're in, etc., but for a lot of inner-city communities, there will be a group of a few hundred, ranging up to a few thousand, generally connected with whatever are the city's leading universities and perhaps with some alternative political organisations, anarchists and communists etc. (though most of the 'group' won't actually be members or adherents strictly), among whom it's a social imperative to be - along with being politically, musically, and fashionably informed - well-read, and among whom not being so could lead to faux pas and ostracisation. If you're among these groups and you read the Iliad out of translation, well, that's status, so a good number of people do it.
Calling it a "powerlevel" in the context of /lit/ stuff doesn't even make sense because unless you live in some shitty redneck town in the middle of nowhere or the ghetto no adult is going to criticize you for reading.
The phrase only makes sense when you're talking about weeb things because those are still pretty weird to the average person.
When you start talking about a book in where a torturer's apprentice gets kicked out for mercy killing his subject you will get some "huhs??"
Besides, its just general 4chan lingo everyone can readily understnad.
This happened to me too, in a creative writing class I was taking as an elective. The girl who liked Harry Potter had never heard of Raymond Carver and flat out refused to read two Hemingway stories we had to discuss in class.
Canada here. Patrician girls are rare, but you can find them in Montreal, Deadmonton, and in the trendier parts of Vancouver. Talk to women around art galleries, theatres, universities, and restaurants you can't afford to eat at.
I resent long books. I'll read them out of obligation, but not happily. I hate that authors feel entitled to take up that much of my time.
If I have my book on hand, I don't say anything about it. If someone comes up and asks, "What are you reading?" I just make a joke that I carry it around to look clever, and that I've not read a page. People who actually know the author or the book ask me about the book/author in particular and I can nerd out.
Ironically, when reading V., both the people who knew Pynchon have mentioned its hard to get into and(When another go chimed in to ask what the book's about) one of them simply said 'It can't be summarised.'
But he's beaut and gets pussy so no one minded.
Ditto, people that bring that stuff up to casuals bug me. I had a friend that was vaguely into this stuff and that I enjoyed talking to sometimes.
Sometimes he would bring it up with normal people or even worse try to talk to me about it in front of people and even involve casuals. Other than a few professors, most people that like literature and whatnot are pretty bad spergs about it.
>in one hand in a retardedly large cup of coffee with lots of sugar and milk/cream/creamer, and some shit tier ya romance in the other.
Sounds like you've thought/fantasized about this scenario quite extensively.
I've had family and or friends read the back of Infinite Jest -which makes it seem like the most pretentious Uebermensch novel ever conceived- and just by explaining that it uses a ton of different plot lines it clears the pretentiousness away. I think most people can't talk intelligently to non-intelligent people about intelligent topics because they themselves are not intelligent. Intelligence is about being about to break things down and recognize patterns, the smarter you are the more you should be able to summarize and make something relate-able to someone else. Source: Explaining The Great Trasnformation by Polayni to people
Not really but that's because I'm often reading wherever I go - I take my book on the commute; while I'm waiting for the doctor; while I'm easing up; while I'm at uni; etc. If somebody asks what I'm reading I'll tell them what it is and what I think of it. I guess then it might be the closest to trying to hide my power level so I'll try to describe the book in an easily accessible manner, sort of with the intention to see if they'd be interested in it themselves.
It's always nice to chat about literature like that, I feel. Just a shame I can't do it often IRL because many people don't read really.
This. I always see it as a non-criticism if somebody says something is "pretentious." My friends used to use this to criticise everything they didn't like/didn't understand/didn't appreciate. It disheartening because it doesn't articulate anything about why they didn't like the thing, all it says is that they're unwilling to give their full attention to it and says more about themselves than the thing they try to criticise.
This. I never quite understood people on 4chan who completely drop the ball socially when they say why they don't like something, unless if they go out of their way actively to insult someone they see reading a John Green novel or something. Then no shit you're a NEET. No wonder.
This is so true. When I was a lot younger, I'd always overexplain my interests to people, flooding them with too much information trying to provide them enough context in the hopes they'd reach the same understanding of it I'd have. I learned after many long winded years that I was just boring people and alienating them from attempting to grasp what I was explaining. Brevity is the soul of wit.
I am not a self obsessed douche bag who blindly believes that what I read is what everyone else should read as well or they are inferior to me.
If someone tells me their favorite books is Harry Potter or the Philosophy of Pooh, I am just happy that they actually read a book and complement them for it.
I accidentally named my daughter after that fucking book. Her great-grandmother on her dad's side was Hazel, her great^3 gma on my side was Grace, end result people think she's named after this book, which I've never read, because it's shit.
And then when I'm trying to explain she's not named after it, people think I'm saying I don't read.
I know there are certain books you can't really talk about or feel awkward about reading in public, like The Cannibal because it has a swastika on the cover, but that's a relatively tiny portion of books.
>someone asks what I'm currently reading
>Mythology by Edith Hamilton
>feel incredibly pretentious just by honestly answering
Is this just all in my head?
I honestly almost never use "intelligent sounding" words because the reaction is ALWAYS something like "woah look at anon using big words over here"
>among whom not being so could lead to faux pas and ostracisation.
>There are groups of highly educated people who will ostracize you for not adhering to their particular spooks
The more you know.
>If someone tells me their favorite books is Harry Potter or the Philosophy of Pooh, I am just happy that they actually read a book and complement them for it.
That sounds patronizing as fuck t b h f a m
Toronto and Vancouver are shitholes though.
Halifax is nice.
I'm just kind of curious if Canada has any communities that are known to be more intellectual... Like Boston and some other spots in New England.
Most Canadians are fairly anti-intellectual, our universities are known for shit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80
And UofT is basically the best Canada has to offer.
The only other people I interact with (more than a sentence or two at a time) are other graduate students, professors and booksellers.
Seeing as the biggest things I have in common with them are /lit/-related, no, I never try to hide a "power level."
I watched 10 seconds of that video, and,
>the assumption that men are better caregivers than women is part of patriarchy
So... I agree with that? What's so wrong and memey about this woman? Her hair? That's hella dumb.
>tfw I would like daughters but I fear they end up becoming degenerate sluts despite their upbringing
One of my high school English teachers alienated me when she gave me something of hers to read and it was all sexual stuff, like wanting to feel a hard dick between her thighs.
I think she wanted me to fuck her but it looked like she was having an affair with one of the other teachers, and I didn't want to cuck him because he was a cool dude.
That's some weak bait man. You've gotta up your game if you wanna rustle these jimmies.
That said, one of the natural advantages of Big Red is that you can't talk over her. Her voice is like an industrial tool, it cannot be overpowered. It lacerates the soundscape with considerable force. Part of her awesome debating skills.
>and I didn't want to cuck him because he was a cool dude.
Instead you cucked yourself by not fucking a teacher who was cheating on her husband. You could have double-cucked.
>PhD student with literally world-famous uberleftist Jewish thesis adviser
>read cultural marxism under him nonstop for 4 years
>agree with all of it
>makes me hate the masses and realize they are incapable of activity
>not just revolutionary activity, activity in general
>start leaping from certain ur-marxist culture critics to right wing equivalents with whom they had strange personal friendships
>suddenly reading denazified (and sometimes not denazified) high theorists of the Third Reich on the autumn of Western soul
>leap from that to even darker things bordering on occult
>tfw have to keep going in and pretending to be Jimmy Q. Labororganizer
>tfw pseudonymously published certain things that would be problematic if linked back to me
Last week our professor said learning theory will either ruin your childhood, or you will annoy and alienate others by foisting it on them. Occasionally I will run into someone outside of school who get's excited about my post-colonial analysis of Lord of the Rings. But that is pretty rare.
Could be worse.
Ever have a son, don't call them Oliver unless if you want them to be eternally damned by every social confrontation ever, in which "OLIVER! OLIVER! NEVER BEFORE HAS A BOY ASKED FOR MORE!" by people who think they're clever, original and don't believe it when people make oliver twist jokes every fucking time jesus how about everybody get fucked.
It is especially funny with the people that will constantly talk about how snobbish someone is for their taste, while actively looking down on others for not liking what they consider good.
They never seem to see the irony of that.