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Was François right to embrace the new Islamic order?
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He was right to wake up and redpill some cucks.
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>>7652654
Islam is the ultimate redpill
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It made as much sense as Huysmans becoming a Catholic. Houellebecq pretty much constructs logical arguments in each of the books he writes, each of which is embellished with some depressing Case Study in the form of a depressed character who sort of resembles himself. I like his books very much and consider him the greatest living writer.
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>>7652654
>there is a definitive answer to this

anyways, why the fuck did they put the authors name on the cover twice

were they afraid people would miss it

or what
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>>7652666
Who did he redpill?
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>>7652697
I'm just asking for opinions, mate.

The bottom part is one of those loose throw away cardboard things I believe, and the name Houellebecq sells tremendously.
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>>7652695
But François became a muslim merely out of practicality and worldly gain, while Huysmans' conversion was more than that.
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>>7652717
sorry i'm just in a sour mood. thanks, that makes sense (the cardboard thing)
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>>7652732
You can see it in this image of a woman praying to St. Michel, see the top left book.
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>>7652669
This:

>God-centred society
>women are male property
>faggotry is cause for hanging
>you can stone adulterous women
>etc. etc.

Truly redpilled ideology
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>>7652721
Intention and sensibility are orthogonal.
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>>7652760
Does a huge picture of his Quasimodean face really help sell books?
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>>7652793
I look at his face recreationally to be honest.
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>>7652790
Please explain.
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>>7652808
You can come up with all sorts of complex rationalizations for doing something, that doesn't automatically make it more sensible than simple practicality or opportunism.
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Has anyone read (at least parts of) both the english and the german translation? Which is better?
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>>7652845
Doesn't it make it an inherently different act, though? One is going through the motions of a cultural institution, the other is actual belief in a higher power.
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>>7652654
yes, he's just paying lip-service to spooks to increase his property
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>>7652904
>actual belief in a higher power

But that's not the reason Huysmans converted, really. En Route is his novel about his conversion, and it's obvious he was so depressed at having nothing left to believe in, no ideology to subscribe to and no reason to continue existing beyond the mundane distractions most people are content with that he fled to the church (and was open to any of the various monasteries that were popular at the time) in the hope of gaining the brotherhood, the calm and the external validation he so desperately needed. Sure Francois isn't exactly like this, but still he is a dead man whose love life consists of having morrocan girls lick his asshole, whose social life is tied to his work and whose life at home involves eating microwave dinners and wishing he was dead. Houellebecq doesn't really go for big targets in this book as he did with Whatever (sexual liberation as cause of male depression), Elementary Particles (atomization of society and isolation of its citizens as consequence of sexual liberation and free market). But imagining Francois as a character who has lived through those two books and is now in a third, where his loneliness, his scepticism about love and so on are solved, in a sense, by the prospect of a form of conservatism that is ironically supported by those people who would otherwise despise Francois for his conservative beliefs and desires. I thought the book was weak as a novel, but as a sort of socio-political essay it was interesting.
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>>7652793
maybe its reverse psychology or something
> goddam that guy is hard to look at
> his books must be real good
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>>7652798
>I look at his face recreationally

That's a good sentence.
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>>7652928
Would you recommend those other works you mentioned? I've only read Soumission so far.
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>>7652654

In his position it clearly was the best thing to do.
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>>7652965

Read Atomised, the sex is good.

Then read Platform, the sex becomes copious.

Whatever is also nice.
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It's like a satire on his previous novels.
He is finished
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>>7652965
I would definitely recommend them.

Whatever is very short, very funny but pretty bleak. It's similar in tone to Le Stranger, though it's angrier and less vague than Camus's book.

Elementary Particles gets a lot of shit on /lit/ but it is one of the saddest book I've read in some time. It is pretty graphic and very bleak and at certain times it gets a little OTT with how "extreme" it is, but the suffering is articulated in a way that doesn't appeal to your emotions or ask you to hope for a happy ending. It's also very funny, but again in a bleak way. One of the reasons I like Houellebecq's writing is that it includes sociological observations justifying a bleak perspective rather than a character being simply misanthropic or people being real lonely for whatever reason, it's a very calm, "calculated" exposition of a world the protagonist (and the author, probably) feels a great deal of hatred towards, and whose capacity for beauty (and the failure to attain or at least maintain this beauty) causes him great distress.

I'd also recommend Houellebecq's manifesto (http://www.houellebecq.info/popdivers.php?id=13) which I've been shilling here for quite some time. I have his book of poetry too (The Art of Struggle) and I liked it, though it depends if poetry is your thing (excerpts: http://www.almabooks.com/excerpts/Art_of_Struggle.pdf)

Also Houellebecq's book on Lovecraft ("Against the World, Against Life") is great and says way more about Houellebecq than it does Lovecraft IMO.
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>>7652777

It's clearly obvious that you don't know anything about this religion. Why are you always to judge a religion that you don't know ?
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>>7652654

Houellebecq implies no. His character embraces Islam from a position of weakness. Hedonism and scholarship has internally cucked the character and facing external threats (angry mobs, tenure hearings, girl problems) he is flaccid.

The thing to keep in mind is that Houellebecq is incompetent as a political historian. He knows just enough to sell a fun 'Islamic Boogeyman' strawman scenario to ignorant readers. In reality, the end of history has been postponed by fundamentalists but not at all delayed.

The fun part of the book is selling a nightmare scenario about overthinking white male europeans to an audience of the same.
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>>7653059
But that is the religion
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But... but I'm only half-way through.
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>>7653059
>>7653084
Rules of islamic communities in the Middle East was largely influenced by religion, but not determined by it. Other sociohistorical factors also shape the behaviour of a social group.
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>>7653079
>maybe if I speak confidently in vague and condescending criticisms, nobody will notice I'm a sophist
Nope! I gotcha, ya vacuous fuck.
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>>7653059
are you denying those things are part of islamic culture?
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>>7652709

nice devil trips
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>>7652793

you want to be able to put a face to the bitterness of his unsightly sex-crazed protagonists
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>>7653079
mudslime detected

your time will come
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>>7652985
i thought that before i reread huysmans
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>>7653079
>. In reality, the end of history has been postponed by fundamentalists but not at all delayed.
Could you elaborate on this?
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>>7652721
>I have nothing to mourn

He was embracing it totally, leaving his old life to rot. Most early converts to Islam from Byzantine areas did it for tax and prestige reasons very similar to the book.
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>>7655801
He is referring to Fukuyama's thesis regarding the ultimate victory of democracy in a form similar to pre-crash Iceland, New Zealand, and Denmark which Fukuyama himself has repudiated
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>>7652963
>>7652798
I agree.
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>>7653079
>postponed but not at all delayed.
Wtf?
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>>7656013
Kek, he's too dumb to succeed at pretending to be smart.
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>>7655041
Care to elaborate?
I have read all of huysmans too
and houellebecq books is really banal in my opinion, his huysmans exegetic formulaic as fuck.
I think Soumission is a real step backwards considering La carte et le territoire
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>>7652695
>>7652721
No.

Huysmans converts to Catholicism for aesthetic reasons. The 21st century Houellebecquian converts to Islam out of convenience. He's still essentially a loser.
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>>7656152
You're also still a loser if you become a Catholic because you think churches are pretty though.
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>>7656160
Maybe, but it's not as emphasized as it is in Houellebecq. I think Houellebecq honestly admires Huysmans' aesthetic leap.
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>>7656181
I think he does as well, his oeuvre seems pretty much a diagnosis of the ills of modernity and with this novel he arrives at possible escapes from it, but his own conclusion seems to be that nothing much changes ultimately and that there's no way out.
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>>7652654
Islam is the only viable ideology left to be honest.
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>>7657436
Guenon showed us the way a long time ago. Practice Sufism, get Muslim waifu, have lots of kids, die, and be considered a Muslim saint whose grave is an place of pilgrimage. Can't do that shit jacking off to pornhub, senpai.
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>>7652669
>redpill
please commit Jihad on yourself for using that word.
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>>7657436
/pol/cucks can't see this because the only thing they've seen about Islam is the degenerate Wahhabist shit shown on the Electric Jew.

Sufi Islam is a tradition that can genuinely transform Europe from the degenerate cuckfest it has become, to something worthwhile, without changing the essential character of European culture. Some would say that Christianity is unchangably part of the European character, but they forget that Christianity rose only when paganism had become worn out and moribund.

Now, Christianity has come to that point, and Islam offers the only hope against the reign of quantity. Sufi Islam, unlike Wahhabi filth, is culturally adaptable to our ways, as well as intellectually robust enough to invigorate Mother Europa.
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>>7652654
I liked this book, it gave me a fresh new look on religion. Whether or not there was any scientific/theological reason to convert is largely irrelevant, because the benefits of religion for the individual and society speak for themselves. As someone who was brought up religious but never really believed in it, it made me consider whether or not giving up was the right option.
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>>7657739
Any recommended reads on Sufism?
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>>7657841
I recommend pretty much anything by Annemarie Schimmel, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, or William Chittick.
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>>7657770
>because the benefits of religion for the individual and society speak for themselves.

that was the weakest part of the book!

>finally I can marry 13-year old girls
>finally I can marry several women
>finally sex
>I'm an old frenchman and I am horny
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>>7657861
To be fair, fucking 13 year old girls is the most important thing in the world to all Frenchmen. They've been harboring a fugitive movie director for decades just to show America how important it is to them.
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>>7657854
Anything as a good first introduction?
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>>7657894
The Vision of Islam by William Chittick and his wfe Sachiko Murata.
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>>7652777
don't forget the inbred cousin fucking
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4LXMR-RdQQ&ab_channel=NewYorkInstitutefortheHumanitiesatNYU

out of touch assholes talk about the book
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>>7657953
thanks senpai
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>>7652998

>http://www.houellebecq.info/popdivers.php?id=13)

wow, thank you for this. It is great.

>"Against the World, Against Life"

I had to get this after seeing a brief preview. I cannot help myself from smiling while reading some of the passages from that book.
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>>7657739
Is Sufi Islam one real thing or does it vary?
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>>7659810
It varies, there are lots of diffrent tariqats.
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Didn't expect for the novel to be so erotic at times, though it was for the better don't misunderstand. I think he is off in predicting that there wouldn't be more news about unfolding events on the internet from people, not so much on that media won't cover resisting movements at all.
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>>7653079

1st paragraph is correct, next two are pic related
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>>7658808
It's free on scribd if you don't want to pay. I read it in one day at work, but then I bought the physical copy.
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For his own sad and depressed existence sure why not
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>>7657973
They are doing literally nothing but comparing H. to liberal dogmas.
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>>7652972

That just gave me a boner.
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>>7660132
I have a much different reaction to envisioning a Houellebecq stand-in getting his butthole eaten, etc
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