Because the other thread is by a 17 year old edgelord,..
>Master and Margerita, Mikhail Bulgakov
>The Mysterious Stranger, Mark Twain
>The Screwtape Letter, C. S. Lewis
I really like his experimental format! I will be reading Seven Deadly Sins by him this year as well.
By any chance, do you know any other writer that has a similar style? (oniric/experimental)
>while dictionary of the khazars is an awesome book, i don't recall satan or lucifer as a character. or i may have just completely missed the allegory.
Well, I haven't read the book. I'm basing this chart on what other people recommend.
>Also, add Lucifer's court
Also should I add Mann's Doctor Faustus or Marlowe's? Or both...
I'm going to bed now. If anyone is interested I shall finish it tomorrow. Keep making suggestions.
that looks like a very interesting book to read, but how much of it is focused on characterization and development of lucifer and his motivations, and how much of it is travel journal and vaguely recalled mythology?
do people care about order, or am i just excessively anal retentive?
>the master and margarita
>the mysterious stranger
>melmoth the wanderer
>the screwtape letters
*if i am the only one, that's okay, just keep doing your thing anon and i'll just save the pic and rearrange to my little ocd's heart's content. your chart is much more aesthetic than anything i could smash together in paint.
looks awesome. thanks for doing all that. title is perfect, ignore the jackasses who are being argumentative just to be argumentative. i lean towards drop khazars, but maybe wait and see if that tripfag who suggested it has a compelling reason to leave it.
>not being able to differentiate an interest in studying differing depictions of lucifer as a classical literary character and his reflection of contemporary life of the author and "lol, satanism!"
Clearing why I think Dictionary of the Khazars should be on the list:
there are entries on the Dictionary regarding demons for the three religions mentioned on the book (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism), these characters play a mayor antagonist role against the guys who try to put together the dictionary.
I recall two of them, the one that plays guitar with his six fingers in the islamic part of the dictionary (and talks with the islamic protagonist), and the one that works as a helper for the aristocrat in the christian part of the dictionary.
However, I am open to opinions of other people who have read this book to see if it should be part of the chart.
it's almost like we have a bunch of people here offering suggestions and input on books they have read. funny how group projects work that way...
you recall it better than i do, so i'll defer to your opinion.
dunno. but i have the male. no particular reason that's the one i have beyond that's the one amazon sent me.
marlowe's has the advantage of not needing to worry about translation.
And he gave me a few of the Xeroxed sheets of paper lying on the table in
front of him. As he passed them to me, his thumb brushed mine and I
trembled from the touch. I had the sensation that our past and our future
were in our fingers and that they had touched. And so, when I began to read
the proffered pages, I at one moment lost the train of thought in text and
drowned it in my own feelings. In these seconds of absence and
self-oblivion, centuries passed with every read but uncomprehended and
unabsorbed line, and when, after a few moments, I came to and re-established
contact with the text, I knew that the reader who returns from the open seas
of his feelings is no longer the same reader who embarked on that sea only a
short while ago. I gained and learned more by not reading than by reading
those pages, and when I asked Dr. Muawja where he had got them he said
something that astonished me even more.
>And he gave me a few of the Xeroxed sheets of paper lying on the table in
front of him. I could have pulled the trigger then and there. There
wouldn't be a better moment. There was only one lone witness present in the
garden -- and he was a child. But that's not what happened. I reached out
and took those exciting sheets of paper, which I enclose in this letter.
Taking them instead of firing my gun, I looked at those Saracen fingers with
their nails like hazelnuts and I thought of the tree Halevi mentions in his
book on the Khazars. I thought of how each and every one of us is just such
a tree the taller we grow toward the sky, through the wind and rain toward
God, the deeper we must sink our roots through the mud and subterranean
waters toward hell. With these thoughts in my mind, I read the pages given
me by the green-eyed Saracen. They shattered me, and in disbelief I asked
Dr. Muawja where he had got them.
I just finished the Book of Enoch, which has an account of the Watchers who were the first fallen angels. Lucifer (Azazel) is mentioned a few times. Highly recommend, just for the sake of reading about the dude who walked with God.
Stop bumping this. Few things on /lit/ are as bad as faggots making charts of things they haven't read with no concept of the merits, importance, and relations between the works. Pseudo intellectual posturing at its worst.
This very concept is stupid. Lucifer Satan etc. Is one of the most used characters in western lit. Randomly cherry picking a few and slapping it on an "essential" chart is a perfect demonstration of the ignorance and stupidity of this endeavor
>Lucifer Satan etc. Is one of the most used characters in western lit
which makes him an excellent character to make a "best of" list.
and, in case you didn't notice, i didn't just go to amazon, search "lucifer" and repost their list. i'm asking fir suggestions from people who HAVE read a book, then asking questions for clarification and justification to include it as "essential".
but stay mad, and thanks for the bump. :)
i saged it you faggot
half the stuff you have on the chart are nowhere close to "essential"
how can you get clarification/justification and evaluate it without having read it yourself? fucking pseud
also, not my chart. there are a couple things i wouldn't have included. and again, that's *why* i ask for clarification and justification, and if they can't provide it i disregard it.
You seem to like the words faggot and pseud. Stop shitposting, please. You are wasting your and our time. Different people have read different books on the same topic and together we tried making a collective chart that is why he/she was asking for your help and opinion on which book to add/remove. Instead you come here and just rant stupid shit while not contributing anything intelligent. I think we spotted the "pseud",
The Temptation of Saint Anthony by Gustave Flaubert
>tfw I'm on a board of idiots who dont understand that lucifer is used in many of these works as a one dimensional symbol to denote unfulfilled desire
heres an excercise /lit/
why is the sorrows of young werther and faust essentially the same story?
The Devil and Tom Walker was a pretty damn good read. Very similar to Faust.
Well it makes more sense that it's the Devil, because otherwise that's pretty shitty of a random-ass snake.
Also, remember that Satan is also the Dragon in Revelation. In the ancient world, 'dragon' essentially meant 'huge snake.' That's why the python monster from Greek myth is often referred to as a 'dragon,' when it was generally just a serpent.
I finished dictionary a week ago
while these demons have an importance in the plot (and in the structure) of the book, there's not an inquiry in the luciferine nature of them. There could be some description of their nature (devils can't see the future; devils can't act before humans, etc...) but is more like a folk-tale device than a real element.
Also don't forget that Pavic creates his own narratological universe (there are three hells for the three abramitic religions; the circular stories)
I wouldn't put this book in the list; i would thought recommend it
No really, this chart is bad:
in dante's comedy lucifer does not talk or move or do anything; literally dante and virgil use him as a ladder to the australis hemisphere
in master and margarita satan is just a troublemaker, really nothing much interesting in his figure
thanks for providing some critical feedback instead of vaguely insulting the intent.
good point about inferno. it's a historically important representation, but it doesn't offer much in valuable literary characterization.
i haven't read master and margarita, but that's a bit disappointing if true.
The History of the Devil by Vilém Flusser
>In The History of the Devil, Flusser frames the human situation from a pseudo-religious point of view. The phenomenal world, or “reality” in a general sense, is identified as the “Devil,” and that which transcends phenomena, or the philosophers’ and theologians’ “reality,” is identified as “God.”