>>7633629 I got a degree as a hs history teacher 11 years ago, and even then you were basically being told that this is the kind of shit you would not get away with anymore in the era of standardized testing and curriculum oversight.
>>7633644 >tfw my school system was ultra liberal and practiced "inclusion" ie literal genetic retards who were to take part in the class. >tfw making them read (at a first grade level) was more of a mockery than anything else
>>7633860 >History class brings up Columbus >Details how indians would rather commit mass suicide than become spanish slaves >Muh noble savage >Muh unspeakable beauty of nature >Muh empty, soulless husk of a greedy western civillization
>Can't do shit but sneer because you're Swedish and went to a Swedish HS, also you were a Swedish Pussy
>>7633629 >not relishing the opportunity to show everyone how deep and beautiful your voice is, how perfect your ear for the rhythm of the prose, how immaculate your knowledge of the meaning and tone of every clause
Though it's a little sad to hear everyone else struggle through it.
>when third year students clearly have no ear for versification
>Professor: Maybe we can talk about reading #2. What did you guys think was the main argument? >Seminar: .................................... >Professor: ............................................. >Seminar: ............... >Professor: ..................okay, maybe we can talk about reading #3. What did you think was the main argument? >Seminar: ............................. >Someone, eventually, with a nervous voice: Umm, I just thought like, [stupid shit that has nothing to do with reading]. >repeat above, every class, for eternity
HOW THE FUCK DO THEY KEEP DOING IT
YOU'VE BEEN TRYING THIS METHOD TO GET PEOPLE TO TALK FOR 30 FUCKING YEARS
>Modern Philosophy class >professor outlining the church's position in order to set-up Descartes' Meditations >all pretty straight forward stuff >prof pauses after every slide to ask if anyone has some questions >expecting either to ask for clarification or to poke holes in the argument >there's no argument to begin with since its the damn church >prof flips out after 15 minutes and calls us all immature babies for wasting our time not "grappling with the material"
>next class, fire alarm test two minutes after lecture stars >every student goes home although the test only takes 15 minutes and its a 90 minute lecture >get called babies again at next lecture
>>7637689 >>7637696 >>7637853 This is the experience of every seminar I've been it. And when there's one or two people who are the only ones who contribute, answering every question, it seems to make everyone else clam up even more.
I really get the impression there's a kind of anti-intellectualism among a lot of students (and not just undergrad - this is at masters level). Most don't want to contribute or really engage, and the few who do mark themselves out as nerds or show-offs. I find this stifling, and there's only so much I can take before I just keep quiet too because I don't want to be 'that guy'. Even though I know I'd rather be that guy than someone who gets nothing out of the seminar.
>>7637930 Damn, brother from another mother. MA here too, talking about seminars too, and just posted >>7637931
Seminars really are torture 98% of the time. It is NEVER this free-wheeling Rankean ideazone like it's supposed to be. It's either dead silent and torturous to sit through, or it has a handful of overly confident people who don't realize how stupid they look but spend the whole time talking.
Sometimes I think about the fact that I have to sit through another few hundred hours of these fucking things and I want to shoot myself.
Another favourite that happens about every sixteen seconds: >Professor: So did you like the article? >Class: ................................ >Finally, "that guy": I thought it was badly written and his main thesis is dumb! >Professor: Can you elaborate on that? >That guy: [summation of thesis that is completely wrong, not even wrong in interpreting its main conclusion but so wrong it's like he couldn't even wrap his brain around the initial premise] >Professor: YEAH, OR UH, MORE LIKE.. [correct summary of article] >That guy: Yeah, that's what I mean!
A repeated scenario in my public commuter school hell:
>35 year old woman with a rolling backpack, a cane, and a workman's comp check enrolls in school for some later-in-life enrichment
>sits dead center in the front of the class
>informs us and the professor with her 'life experience' and 'adult wisdom' including: working in an unskilled position for minimum pay; having multiple children when she shouldn't have; going upside down on her mortgage, car payment, and multiple credit cards; failing to read a single book in the past twenty years; eating fast food
>when software or interaction with a website is involved, "I can't find the link." "I bought the wrong version." "I can't remember my password." "I think there's a bug in the Apple version, it won't load." "Well I called the help desk and they didn't know what they were talking about."
>"What is the format of the exam?" "Will this be on the exam?"
>>7637948 I just don't understand. Why are these people there? Why do a masters if you're not going to engage? I've even heard my classmates say they didn't read something because they don't have to do an exam for that class. For anti-intellectualism to be this widespread in a university, of all places, just stuns me.
I feel so sorry for the lecturers, but I also feel a kind of respect (or maybe sadness?) that they still go into every seminar enthusiastically trying to get some kind of response from a class full of zombies.
>>7637979 I don't even mind the anti-intellectuals because they are at least honest and self-aware.
What gets me is how many of the people who think they are brilliant are just retards. They fundamentally do not know how little they know, so they assume it's a SHITLOAD.
It's impossible to find one person in the grad program who isn't simultaneously a) cocky as shit about being a superior intellectual motherfucker, and b) happily, willfully underread, to the point of not reading anything off the beaten path of what is strictly required.
I don't understand why so many people are content to be middling nobody entry level pseudo-academics. No one is impressed. There are fifty billion of us.
>In class >Professor asks a question >Be known as the guy in >>7637853's post >Raise hand >"Yes, anon?" >Answer question >Professor informs you that you're wrong >One of the few times you've incorrectly answered a question >Spiral into a whirl of self-loathing and doubt, beginning to think that you've lived your entire life as a fraud.
How do I stop this? Every time I make a mistake or incorrectly answer a question my self-hatred takes hold of me and I can't help but have horrible negative thoughts for the rest of the day.
>>7639332 >you're super antisocial >Know the answer to every question >the most you ever do contribute is to whisper the answer to the person next to you so they can say it >one time you think of the answer and it turns out to be wrong >no one knew >those rare occasions serve as constant reminders to why you act this way >tfw you have no plans to change this behavior
>>7633860 Although t b h having blood in your veins isn't all that necessary. All you need to know is that, when you're dealing with people who don't understand why they're saying what they're saying, you don't actually have to have their politics; you just have to smell like their politics. I've talked in Anthropology tutorials and essentially recommended recolonisation, but nobody objected because I said in a 'left' way.
(Particularly, in this example, I made the claim that a lot of Papua New Guinea's medical eccentricities were due to scarcity and international inattention, rather than pure cultural idiosyncrasy, and that until the New Guineans were assisted in creating their own wealth and their own stable culture, most of what we were studying was sociological, was just the effects of poverty, rather than the New Guineans' own culture; which was yet to actualise materially, but as we've seen actualised cultures, and can perhaps notice some consistencies between them, isn't it evident that there are specific worker-to-worker-type mobilisations possible here? As in, certain mobilisations we know will work?)
Which means: Their culture's inferior. We should teach them ours.
>sitting in lecture about Plato's Crito >girl talks about how Socrates should have escaped and gone to another city >says he should have done it to reach more people and so his teachings would be passed on instead of dying with him >professor says "yeah, well, uh maybe" This is a catholic university as well >next week we read the Martyrdom of Perpetua and Felicity >same girl and a guy ask the professor why she didnt lie to get away >girl starts talking about how it would have been "more tactical" if all the christians ran and hid then overthrew the government instead of confessing I don't understand these people they have no idea that some people value integrity over their lives, while they go to a catholic university >always tempted to ask whether they have anything that they think is worth dying for > too scared that they might think I'm being confrontational >tfw the professor asks a question, no one raises their hand and then he looks at you pleading to put him out of his misery >tfw you take pity and blurt out your answer as fast as you can and your face gets red because he arranges the desks in a circle and everyone looks at you including the cuties and you know your face is red and they know it too and your face just gets redder >professor says good answer and you feel even more embarrassed
>>7639590 A university with a catholic mission, usually founded by nuns, or an order of monks. They are ABET accredited. IE Georgetown, BC, Fordham, any one named after a religious figure. All the ones I've been to make some varying effort to involve students in the community and service opputunities
>>7637689 >>7637853 >>7637865 >>7637930 >>7637948 >>7637979 >>7638269 Holy fuck, my mind is fucking blown. Have I just been extraordinarily lucky with where I've been to school? I understand this is all purely anecdotal, but undergrad and graduate levels being this full of absolute useless students is almost unbelievable. My lower level undergrad classes needed some coaxing along, but by the time I was taking junior level courses discussion would come fairly naturally, though there were some more quiet moments. But there were always at least a FEW of us willing to talk. At the graduate level, I have yet to encounter this sort of shit. Whether the class is 1 1/2 or 3 hours, there is steady discussion in between the points the professor makes, and people volunteer information. There's none of this sullenly sitting, not even trying to apply themselves. There is lively discussion. Is the state of academia this bad in general, or did you guys all go to the shittiest schools possible?
>be 11 >be dyslexic >I can read but not out loud and will go slower than peers >Always get asked to read out in class >Teachers always patronizing me after I've spent 10 minutes trying to read a few sentences >Made to take books home aimed for kids half my age
one time I didn't read the book because I decided to try and read the Hobbit instead, they just assumed the book was to hard and made me read it in school with a support staff, bitch couldn't even pronounce half the words herself.
>>7633629 FUCK. I hate this. In my english class(college) my fucking teacher makes us do that and then show something that goes along with it. Fucking makes me cringe. this one weebo did a essay on The guy who made DandD and he dressed up in his cosplay outfit he plays in. thing had such bad armpit stains.
I did mine on the mass immigration of refugees to germany and brought in a nazi flag. I said this needed to happen again. (the class is mostly guys, so i got a few giggles m8.)
>>7633629 Storytime. Not a great story or anything, but it fits.
>My last semester as an English major in a non-Anglo country >Classes + dissertation will be brutal, so I need at least one easy class where I can do nothing and have an A in the pocket. >This old fart is set to "teach" a "seminar" on William Trevor. >I know from experience that all of his classes are just students taking turns reading the text, with him interrupting every 2 minutes to make an asinine comment and stroke his own ego. >At the end of the semester he asks for a 3-to-5-page paper. 3-to-fucking-5. That's it. >I sign up. >Remember this is a non-Anglo country, so in addition to the class being mind-numbingly boring, 90% of these people have terrible accents. >They fuck up any word above the reading level of a 12-year-old. >Somehow make it through without jumping from the tower (class was taught in a 7th floor). >Let's write the fucking paper. >Have to write it on a busy weekend, so don't give a shit, pull some crap involving the Arthurian Fisher King and infertility out of my ass and be done with it. >He publishes the grades like a month later. >My grade is DNP. >Write him an e-mail telling him I think there's been a mistake. >He writes back saying he thinks my work is plagiarized because my English is too good. >In 6 months he never even listened to me speak English in my own words because he's the only one who gets to actually say something in class, but yeah, he made that call. >I deny it, but he doesn't write back. >Go to the department's office to try and get it sorted out. >A teacher, who also works at the department, calls me into his office so I can explain. >As soon as I tell him, he gets this weird smirk on his face. >Tells me: "I took his class 20 years ago. He did the same thing to me." >This son of a bitch has been pulling the same dick move for over 20 years and he can't be fired because of tenure, and because he's a semi-famous author. >My gf had read his most famous book, btw. It's shit. >The guy at the department tells me that he'll take care of everything, and he does. >Old fart writes back after another month, telling me I should appreciate the humility that he showed in changing my grade, and that I shouldn't "flaunt my talents" as much in the future, lest this happens again.
How do these people live with themselves, /lit/? The only bright side was that I got to read William Trevor. Fantastic author.
>Seminar on the break-up of Yugoslavia >every student has to do a presentation on an assigned topic
>one girl talking about Croatian interests in Bosnia uses a poster to illustrate a slide >teacher: ”this poster is from World War 2.” >student: “…oh….but I don’t speak Croatian…” >poster’s main feature is a massive SS logo and the text “veliki vodje ADOLF HITLER”
>every presentation on humanitarian intervention in Kosovo begins in 1389 >traces every twist and turn in history since then >ten minutes later finally gets to 1999
>people take ten minutes out of their presentations to show us videos on Youtube (one person even used a video from Three Minute History) >presentation on Yugonostalgia uses three different socialist-era patriotic songs with the presenter reading out all the lyrics for every one
>lecturer is a world-renowned expert on the topic who has to sit through this every year
>>7639649 I did a few months in a Catholic uni in the Netherlands, but ther was nothing particularly catholic about it (apart from a staue of Erasmus outside the Library), a lot of the students were non catholics as well
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