Have any of you read Mira Gonzalez'z work? What do you think of it?
She's pretty awful and will be forgotten so quickly once Vice goes out of style and the good poets of her age start getting recognized, she's just a meme. Her poetry barely counts as poetry, sub-par tweets that sound like a college freshman took a hit after reading Camus and had a falling out with their open-relationship partner.
Her writing is cheap and boring but she's ugly in a hot sort of way that makes me want to hurt her sexually.
Anyone who is rich enough to be college educated while living the "literary life" in New York has no right to moan about privilege to anybody.
Try living in a dead end rural shithole for a while, then see how horrible your 20 something "too much opportunity that I don't feel like taking" ennui feels.
She is alright. I liked this part from one of her books. I can really relate to the modern feelings she expresses.
"I feel defenseless and alone in a city that has a personal grunge against me. Texts received coming from those I no longer wanted to hear from. My only current comfort is the thought of arriving back home where I can numb my mind with drugs."
But is it art? The first sentence is nice, the rest is just someone complaining about trivial shit and not even bothering to articulate themselves in an interesting way. Would a potentially great writer write "numb my mind with drugs" without realizing how cliched that sounds?
write your best Mira impersonation.
started drinking alcohol at 3pm
at 11pm i went to a party wearing the same clothes i wore on thursday
at 12:30am the guy i lost my virginity to told me he is having a baby
at 1:30am i ate drugs in the bathroom without telling anyone
i don't know how to maintain relationships
most of the people i've had sex with have negative feelings about me now
starving to death during sex is something i would like to do this week
every time i look at my computer
i fight the urge to open a word document and list everything i ate that day
here is what i ate today:
coffee, curry vegetable thing from whole foods, plum
i am most comfortable around people who criticize me because
i feel like anyone who isn't constantly criticizing me is lying
or expecting me to be something different
seems insane that you need money to do things like
develop a drug addiction, or move across the country
i don't identify as 'depressed' even though i feel depressed
seems unfair that i only get to feel a finite amount of things in my life
lately i have been assuming that dried fruit has more calories than regular fruit
i feel like 400 dead jellyfish in the middle of a freeway
how was it?
The funny part is when I lived in NYC I used to hire girls like that (and lena dunham) who's parents cut them off (or were poor to begin with). It was a sales company and this was their first "real job".
As the grind of being a secretary at Glen Garry Glen Ross started to be realized, you could see their killself level rise, especially after they got rejection letters from publishers or their off-off-off broadway plays were badly reviewed. Most of them ended up quitting and moving back to their parents in Ohio in disgrace.
I think it's very trite. The promiscuity, the drug use, the ennui, it's been done better a hundred thousand times before her. Her take is not interesting. Her pieces for vice can mostly be characterized as very, very lazy.
She obviously does. If she didn't, she'd stop shilling her shit here.
freshly washed clothes and blankets
dry desert air
>"I feel defenseless and alone in a city that has a personal grunge against me. Texts received coming from those I no longer wanted to hear from. My only current comfort is the thought of arriving back home where I can numb my mind with drugs."
Yuck. It's like an entry in a vapid high school girl's diary.
thats kind of the point i guess. idk. i actually really like tao lin's stuff and he cowrote some stuff with her so i'm trying really hard to wrap my mind around this and see something worthwile in there but i gotta admit i'm having a hard time
maybe that's tao's point too, that mundane writing is made "literature" by simply being considered literature by some sort of authority figure / person / something and made interesting by me spending time reading it and trying to wrap my mind around it
i wouldnt pay for it.
at some point you have to stop doing all the work for them man
at some point you have to stop going "maybe.. maybe that's the point?? the less art it is, the more 'art' it is that it's not art?????"
at some point you have to realize she's just a 5/10 pretentious rich cunt who writes lowercase blogposts about her vagina
i fucked a girl identical to mira gonzalez in every way last month, she's an over-the-hill indian named sarah who writes exactly like mira on every single level except she wasn't lucky enough to get uplifted by an established figure, or to have mira's nepotistic resources and milieu, so she remains an alcoholic spinster that licks my penis after watching bad movies
modelmayhem is filled with miras if you ever want to fuck a mira. just go on modelmayhem and sort by new profiles, sort by least experience, and filter out all the ones who use their real names or professional stage names. look for hipsters using zany tumblr names and typing in lowercase. they will have eight blogs, a "photography website," and they are "really into fashion" despite being some nursing student. if you can tolerate them thinking they are some sort of clitoral reincarnation of andy warhol, you can lick any part of them you want
>so she remains an alcoholic spinster that licks my penis after watching bad movies
why would you continue sexual contact with someone for whom you have such contempt?
it's immoral and gross t.b.h.
i'm just trying to find some sort of explanation, i didnt really read much of her stuff just some blogposty extracts to see what the fuss is about.
i do think at some point a text can become important just by being famous/well endorsed enough simply because people will reference it and it'll be a piece of contemporary literature. that doesnt make the writing better (more skillfull or whatever) than it is but it does make the writing sort of - maybe not important - but essential to know if you want to understand contemporary lit which will always to some extent cite and reference other contemporary literature. and i think if lin's only reason to endorse her was that dynamic then that's sorta interesting
doesnt mean i really like the text or the author.
also sorry 4 shitty engrish it's not my first language and i'm tired af
I was at a agent's website that was bragging that she was one of her clients. Don't know much about her besides that she's a poet. All the other clients on the site were romance novel writers and nonfiction.
"I will spend hours on one sentence sometimes"
—Mira Gonzalez, 2014
Probably absolutely nothing. I don't care either way. I would never call what I've read of her work good, but I've only ever seen it posted here. But anyway, this is /lit/. Impotent nerd rage is the entire raison d'être of the posters here.
dude just go back to doing xanax and fighting capitalism or whatever the cool kids do these days
Dave, this isn't a good poem.
last night i cried for no discernible reason
in an apartment that doesn’t belong to me
in front of a person who also doesn’t belong to me
(because people can’t own other people)
i say that i don’t like owning things
but i’m not sure if that’s entirely accurate
i used to only cry alone
i have cried more in front of people in the last 6 months
than in the last 5 years of my life combined
crying seems funny, to me
i am on a very crowded train
passing grand central station
it is 9:01AM and i am officially late for work
i am late for work because i slept 15 minutes past my alarm
then i had sex
then i stopped for coffee
i am late to work every day
when you’re an intern nobody cares what you do
the main thing I am learning at my internship
is how to look busy when i’m not doing anything
also, i am very good at making photocopies now
and putting labels on things
today i got an email from a woman in human resources
she was upset because i haven’t gone to any of the ‘intern events’
because the ‘intern events’ count as your lunch break
and i want to eat lunch alone
i have become very good at avoiding other interns
at 5pm i will take a crowded train to my second job
at my second job i have learned how to answer phones
and transfer calls to the appropriate extensions
and smile at people
and bring people coffee
and call the car service
and process fed ex packages
today my brother emailed me while having a good drug experience
i want to have fun when i take drugs
but it’s difficult, sometimes
also, i want to lose 20 pounds
but i think that is an unrealistic goal
considering i don’t exercise
and my diet is terrible
and i am unmotivated
i think i would like to go to mexico and just hang out for a while
my dad says I have 50 cousins in mexico but i have never met them
would they let me leave work early
if i got hit by a car but wasn’t seriously injured
i feel as a young person who struggles w. existence she writes well about her struggles and about feelings of ennui, self-loathing and others that many people relate to. maybe when she is 40 she will write about the workplace, marriage and other things people judge as being mature or whatever.
Everything I've read of hers instantly makes me cringe.
Started drinking at twelve
or was it twelve o' one
and I roll up into work
and I'm not dressed correctly.
Started drinking at two
or was it two o' one
I roll up to my brothers
and he's nearly killed himself.
And I dream this, at least
I start my new job tomorrow
and it's not going well
the interview panned out
because my vagina has
a smell because I
I no longer cry
I try and every night
it's the walls
and the floorboards
why why why.
to the text messages
of forty lovers
And the world ends.
And I start work tomorrow
I start at two 'o one.
Because it's prose
and poetry the same
and all my skill has gone.
Have you read anything besides her twitter account? She crafts her sentences so they are as minimalist as possible. so finding out how to make a sentence shorter and make sense can be a challenge.
It's almost like that's the object of poetry
>She crafts her sentences so they are as minimalist as possible. so finding out how to make a sentence shorter and make sense can be a challenge.
MIDF please. Her writing is horrible even for something minimalist.
i thought "The Human War" by Noah Cicero was pretty good.
almost all the other alt lit i've read has been bad. i really don't like Sam Pink or Blake Butler or Marie Calloway or Megan Boyle.
somebody let Dave Fishkind (the guy who is the friend of mira's talking on here) that he's pretty good, he'll probably get recognized at some point, but not if he keeps shilling shit like mira and tao's poetry, the tao craze is over and mira's never started and never will. dave do yourself a favor and distance yourself from these toxic writers and save your career while you have a chance before you guys just end up a shittier version of the beats who hang out in whole foods
do you think Mira smells worse than Molly Soda?
also is the guy who claimed to be Molly's bf still around?
and why do we have so many of these alt lit DUDE DRUGS IN NY LMAO people shilling on this board?
yes i have read a few of her poems,and i must say they are pretty shit.you have to wonder if she is intoxicated whenever she writes poems,most of the times it is nonsensical garbage discussing petty topics
GET READY FOR THIS HARD-HITTING JOURNALISM THATS RIGHT FOLKS MIRA COMIN AT YOU WITH THIS DOPE FUCKING ASS ARTICLE
it may be true that some people get scripts for daily use but this is only because most psychiatrists have no problem shilling for big pharma and prescribing dangerous and addictive drugs that can permanently scar your brain
being on 4chan is in some way considered cool because of this site's "troubled" history. It's like kids who wear nazi armbands. Just remember that these people are REALLY fucking stupid
I lived in NYC for about a year and three-quarters off of family support.
Never managed to find steady work, but I wouldn't trade the experience for anything. I wish I could have found a job and stayed.
>i do think at some point a text can become important just by being famous/well endorsed enough simply because people will reference it and it'll be a piece of contemporary literature.
That's what Nabokov did except he had a non-zero amount of talent
What was so good about it, may I ask.
What's happening culturally in 2016 is happening online. NYC is redundant. Also, it has been in an era of cultural decadence for decades. NYC scene = 2deep4u hipster shit that hardly anyone cares about now, and zero people will care about in the future
NYC is a normalfag meme. I lived there as well. I grew up close to the city but in the burbs. If you are not a very social normalfag/richfag, u will not have that much fun. Like one poster said, the 'contemporary art scene' is really just a bunch of feminist-postmodernist-poststrucuralist 2deep4u lookatmeiwenttoafancyprivatecollege
Its lame, stale. Nyc hasn't produced visionary art in a long time. It is an overcrowded, smelly, yet extremely wealthy and competitive place. There are large amounts of homeless, and robberies against the bourgeouis outsiders happens often. I think its funny when some brooklynite, who actually grew up in Michigan or some shit and has a trust fund and moved to Williamsburg after college, gets robbed by a jolly african american duo from the hood in Bedstuy. Not to be edgy but they rlly are asking for it. But they dont have the NY street smarts to figure it out.
I find cities comfy as shit.
The rain pouring down on the top of your apartment building. You look out your fifth story window to see it raining all over the people, packed like little canned fruits on the streets, and the fog from the morning is still covering the tops of some buildings. A siren goes off in the distance, painting an abstract mosaic of city noises.
You curl up in your chair next to the window and read about a guy in New York. I'm getting cozy just thinking about it.
Plus you're always close to something.
exactly. Current house is too small now to the point I have to house a lot of books elsewhere and barely have any room to get my work done, let alone actually start advancing anything greater.
No. If I want privacy I stay just stay home. I generally don't because I accept people as a part of the city experience. Interaction with a smart and successful individual that you met randomly while waiting in line for something, or sitting at a coffee shop, can be some of the most enlightening of your life. Conversations with dull suburbanites are generally less stimulating.
I guess if that's what you're into. I've lived in a few big cities and a few rural areas and people in the cities don't seem any more interesting or intelligent than people outside of the cities.
Well it's hit or miss no matter where you go, just a higher concentration of people coupled with higher rent prices that poories can't afford generally leads to a more intelligent populace. But not always, which is why we come here. :^)
When I lived in Seattle/San Francisco it seemed the majority of people were just fighting to survive and anyone I talked to just blathered on about their job which I never found to be intellectually stimulating.