It's not meant to be funny, imbecile. And no, I don't think gangrape is funny, but I can read about it because my mind is not a special snowflake and I don't need a safe space every time I read something that I am against.
>>7622354 i didnt say it was funny, it's presented as hilarious by many many people, however.
why is it that i should be forced to read about a gangrape? literature for me is for pleasure. I do not read it for any other reason than for my own enjoyment. I don't enjoy reading about gangrape. That is not me receding into a "hugbox" or "safe space". It's me not reading what i do not find pleasure in. If you can't accept that, it's not my problem.
>>7622354 >my mind is not a special snowflake Do you even know what you're saying? Not the guy you're responding to but seriously go back to /b/ you fucking edgelord. Some people have been raped and don't like to read about rape because it's uncomfortable. Why do they need to force themselves to read something they're uncomfortable with. >dude just man up bro grow some balls When you're out of high school and gain some perspective you'll realize how stupid this attitude is.
> Some people have been raped and don't like to read about rape because it's uncomfortable. Why do they need to force themselves to read something they're uncomfortable with.
They don't. They can skip over it. Putting down an entire book, which is consistently ranked as one of the most important and influential pieces of literature ever written because of >muh feelings is pathetic.
You're taking what I have said out of context and over blowing it. Grow up, little miss sensitive.
>jr year of high school >my grade point average is dire the tracked american public school system has failed to capture my fancy and i spend many late nights on wikipedia >people are beginning to talk and worry about where they're going to college >realize my grades are beginning to be at odds with my prospects in higher education >reflexively move towards reading independently with the disaster of college looming >it just so happens that's the week I decided to read Candide >I realize I have to cultivate my garden
>>7622383 >doesnt know how to use the word literally
i'm sorry that you feel so strongly that you want to insult people about me not reading Candide. i really do think you need to get out of your literary hugbox, and stop being such a special snowflake when someone doesnt agree with you, or do what you want them to do.
>>7622381 the problem is that it's not discretely rape scene/not rape scene, there's a build-in and there's suspense and the reader realizes what's going on and that's where a lot of the anxiety comes from
here's a true personal story: in school I had a problem with self-harm for a number of years, and there's a scene in great expectations where jaggers makes his servant show everyone her mysterious scars -- I almost couldn't read it, and that's merely a trigger to my past with self-harm, not some life-long trauma event like a sexual assualt
people who experience these symptoms would often just rather stay away, I would love to read a bunch of psychological tracts about depression and self-harm but I'm over it by now and just can't motivate myself to read about it, even though it would be of tantamount personal intrigue
>>7622381 I can put down whatever book I want for whatever reason I want Candide didn't say anything that hasn't already been said by Shakespeare or the Greeks or someone else. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
>>7622404 male, it's been five years, i never talk about it, but it comes into play when I read sometimes and I understand people who experience this with their history of abuse or whatever the trigger may be
>>7622408 you know, that's a valid point, but the reason i stopped reading wasnt a trigger from the gangrape in candide, i just didnt want to read it. I read enough about rapes in the news, and i don't want to mix pleasure with rape. for example, i stopped reading El Buscon when the child is at the orphanage and one of the fellow children climbs into his bed and shits on him, while they all beat him mercilessly. It wasnt because I was triggered, it was because i simply didnt enjoy it.
if anything, this guy here is telling me I should read things i don't enjoy because of HIS feelings, all the while attacking me because he thinks my own feelings are getting in the way. it's pretty ironic, if i do say so.
it's funny, i kept reading catch-22 even when the maid was raped, because i still enjoyed the book. rape is not an end all be all thing that makes me stop a book. Candide's first scenes were some guy fucking a maid in the bushes, and then a princess gangrape scene. it was bawdy and boring to me, i stopped reading not because i was triggered but because i just didn't feel like reading anymore. why is it that everyone takes up arms against people sensitive to rape anyway? rape doesnt necessarily offend me, i don't like it, i wish it didnt happen, but its offensiveness is fairly relative to the context surrounding it. but i guess too many people are busy being grumpy edgefags ITT who want legitimate reasons to trash others for not reading their favorite books.
Optimism causes hope. Which leads to cognitive dissonance when you realize the hope for those expectations may never come true or you begin to falter on the path of what you hope for. Thus it is never a good thing to hope but rather work towards something for the sake of working towards it. The gratification and journey to your ideal should be enough to keep you going.
You're not wrong. I hate living. If I had the courage to kill myself I would. You have no idea of what I've been through as a child and as an adult. If I had a choice I would not have been born in the first place.
>>7622555 >Life is bristling with thorns, and I know no other remedy than to cultivate one's garden. that's the actual Voltaire quote which corresponds to the last line of Candide >"That is well said," replied Candide, "but we must cultivate our garden"
fwiw. but your absence of gardening space is regrettable
>>7622515 >>7622474 Why do you insist on causing suffering? Why can't others do their own thing? Why is it necessary for you to be so edgy and "real world" all the time? Can't you just ignore things that you don't agree with?
>>7622620 well, I didn't skip it, but my anxiety started firing and I had to stop and collect myself before trying to read the rest of that part, even though I knew it had nothing to do with my thing. it was the way that dickens brought molly into the text scars first -- he's a fucking masterful writer, and i'm sure that was a good use of his dramatic talent, but there was a time in high school when i could barely stomach blood in a movie, so my stupid little neuroses and symptoms have definitely improved dramatically
i wouldn't blame anyone in my situation who didn't read that part, but i did read it
>>7622627 I agree with not blaming someone who skips over a trigger. It's silly to skip text, but its silliest to suffer on purpose. If your symptoms are improving, something must be working so do what you must
>>7622354 >but I can read about it because my mind is not a special snowflake I don't think people abstain from reading about things they don't want to read about purely to impress others with how different they are. >I don't need a safe space every time I read something that I am against. I don't think deciding you don't want to read candide is the same as never being able to read about rape, I think the person you're replying to clearly made exception for a context where gangrape has appropriate gravity in the narrative, not candide, a "comedy."
>>7622627 you know, i'm glad there are still people who are willing to admit that dickens was an amazing writer. too many people buying into the meme that he was utterly shit because he inflated his works. the guy was still one of the greatest authors of all time. just my two cents.
>>7622668 >I don't think deciding you don't want to read candide is the same as never being able to read about rape, I think the person you're replying to clearly made exception for a context where gangrape has appropriate gravity in the narrative, not candide, a "comedy."
that was what bothered me more than anything else, going into the novel thinking it was supposed to be funny, reading thread after thread saying that candide was the most hilarious novel they had read, and going into it, and thinking "man, these motherfuckers have a crazy sense of humor." during this time i was reading a lot of humor lit trying to get back into literature after being away from it for quite some time, three men in a boat, a confederacy of dunces, and catch-22 were other books i read at that time, and as i said earlier in this thread, i didnt stop reading catch-22 when the rape scene played out. I appreciated the contrast of humor to horror that played out in the book, whereas i went into candide, and almost immediately horrible shit was going on and i was expected to giggle to myself and keep turning pages. it was a bizarre experience. I guess that's the power of suggestion, I still wonder if people genuinely found those scenes hilarious, or just said so because the people who suggested it to them told them it was funny.
>>7622686 whoever recommended reading candide for laffs was greatly exaggerating, that piece is worth much more than that. there are some good social ironies and whatnot throughout, a lot to laugh about, but it's definitely a more serious work than like, the barber of seville or the marriage of figaro, which are what i think of for 18th century comedy
>>7622692 i can definitely understand that. and i'm definitely not shitting on anyone else who appreciates the book. heh, i just don't want to read it. but that's where this all came from, me not wanting to read it. what can you do, eh?
>>7622731 Me: >I worship One, Uncreated, Eternal Spirit, Creator and Redeemer of man, Who pours out His spirit on the humble, and Who humbles the proud in their conceit Dawkins: >OH, SO YOU GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES FOR THE INVISIBLE SKY FAIRY
Leibniz: >I do not believe that a world without evil, preferable in order to ours, is possible; otherwise it would have been preferred. It is necessary to believe that the mixture of evil has produced the greatest possible good: otherwise the evil would not have been permitted. The combination of all the tendencies to the good has produced the best; but as there are goods that are incompatible together, this combination and this result can introduce the destruction of some good, and as a result some evil. Voltaire: >OH, SO THE BEST OF ALL POSSIBLE WORLDS IS ONE WHERE MADEMOISELLE GETS GANGRAPED, IS IT? WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE MIGHT AS BEHEAD KINGS AND RAPE NUNS
there is nothing worse than /phil/ nerds who in 2016 have a bone to pick with voltaire as if nobody's ever had the opportunity to ask these questions before. god, just go and get yourself fucked you filthy collegiate son of a whore
I wasn't asking for homework help. I wanted to have an interesting discussion. Unfortunately due to morons like you it is seemingly impossible because all you can do is pollute this board with bullshit. Fuck off will you please?
>>7622815 I'm >>7622792. I haven't taken part in this thread. While I agree with you I think you're kind of asking for it when you start a thread with only 1 sentence. You leave your legs wide open for whatever shitposter manages to post some reactionary stuff first.
>While I agree with you I think you're kind of asking for it when you start a thread with only 1 sentence. You leave your legs wide open for whatever shitposter manages to post some reactionary stuff first.
>>7622601 You're arguing that the fact that people find out that you were raped is worse than the act of a penis being thrust into your vagina/asshole over and over again, against your will while you are just wishing for it to be over. Think about what you just said, you fucking retard, and stop posting.
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