Chart thread. I'm dumping, also requesting Kierkegaard must-reads.
not necessarily representative of my opinions
It doesn't really matter if it's a precondition or not since the Greeks are greatly entertaining.
If you want to read philosophy reading the Greeks is necessary since everything after them very much builds on the Greeks and reading their mythology, the Iliad etc. is necessary to understand their culture and what made them think and reason the way they did, you can easily draw comparisons between the Bible and the Iliad as far as ancient Greece is concerned, it was greatly important to them and influenced their way of life. Also it's fun to read.
no that's what I did when I was low on shelf space. Now I've got more space and find the paperback/hardcover split removes most of the problem with books being different sizes, though some of the really large paperbacks have to hang with the hardcovers.
No, it's the right way to do it.
It's easy to read and a solid Iliad experience if you've never read it before, you can't really go wrong with Fagles.
Lattimore is a more literal translation, Pope is a remake that's good in it's own right but has nothing to do with the original.
Merill is apparently also beautiful but I haven't read that version myself, also some people like Fitzgerald's Homer and I haven't read that one either.
Chapman is another one that some people like but I don't believe it's as popular as some of the other ones I've mentioned.
inspired by the Pynchon one, I created one for T Mann
I love the Buddenbrooks, started with this book and was hooked
read some short stories from before Buddenbrooks first, but in retrospect if I didn't like these 19/20th century German vibes they wouldn't do anything for me
why bother with the film versions of these books?
unless that was an accident
I for one can tell you that Fellini's interpretation of Satyricon is not about master/slave relationships
The title wasn't meant in a Hegelian sense, but a satirical one -- meant for humour rather than something to be taken seriously.
I chose the Fellini Satyricon as it is a preparation for further works, like a cold shower or slap on the ass before a baseball match; it also fits with the others, and allows one to alternate between the written and visual. I'm aware it is not a Hegelian film.
Why would you start with Tonio Kroger and not Death in Venice?
Death in Venice -> 1+2 short stories if you want (optional) -> Buddenbrooks -> Magic Mountain -> Doctor Faustus -> Joseph -> Optional everything else
John E. Woods translations when available (Buddenbrooks/Magic Mountain/Doctor Faustus/Joseph)
it's one of his later works and dealt a lot with medieval allegory, catholicism/the catholic church, and magic/occult. not recommended to start with until you have a decent familiarity with mann's other works since it veers on the esoteric side.
I think Tonio Kroeger gives a better impression of Mann's early works (especially Buddenbrooks), and early Mann is the place to start with Mann
also (unpopular opinion)
I like the film Death in Venice more that the short story
anyway, they're both mentioned at point 1. so could be read interchangeably
that's Der Erwaehlte in German right? it's a very stylised work, personally I liked it a lot but certainly not the place to start and not really representative of Mann's ~oeuvre
In his diaries he talks about it as if it was a half-satire
For every fucking great choice here, there's at least two horrible ones, The fact that there's nothing here by the Strugatsky Brothers is pretty much the most disqualifying thing you could do.
Flowers for Algernon is only as much science fiction as A Wrinkle in Time. Asimov's an overrated hack, too
>the current year
>not consuming the Bread Pill and receiving all of its nourishment
He wrote 'The Idea of the Holy', a very important book about Christian religious experience and concepts of god. It's pretty technical, but easily worth a read for someone interested in exploring 'Spirituality' in a Christian context.
Thank you. I plan on attending confession and mass this weekend after not practising for many years.
>this black and white Penguin edition below has an error(s?)
oh no, how bad is it?
Does it change it in an important way or is it just a small thing that bothers some people.
If you don't care about getting the fullest, deepest meaning out of what you're reading then skip them, by all means. If you want to truly understand and appreciate everything else you're reading, then yes, start with the Greeks.
>doesn't dfw is difficult
>there's a lot of good books ergo dfw is easy
>popular books are inherently bad
I can only speculate but they sort of fit the "good and accessible but not an obvious babbys first lit" thing the list is going for. Also Didion's a better journalist/essayist replacement for the previous list's hunter s thompson.
Tolkien was a devout Catholic and many people have interpreted his works as reflecting this.
Very nice. I want to see you to make an even complete chart one day Anon. I need guidance.
Because people really need to be told to read it and they need to look up a list for it.
Silmarillion, especially in the beginning is extremely religious in nature. His devotion was seeping there.
They don't seem to write that much, it's basically Dostoevsky and the Philokalia. That's what I've seen them post. Timothy Wheare or something like that too, but that's it.
This isn't a Catholic layman reading list and as I'm the guy who made the list I can tell that you are lying.
I've said that it's redundant to add the bible as a recommendation for any Christian related reading as it goes without saying.
I just finished ASD last night and watched the movie this morning. I totally missed the psychiatrist recommending to Fred that he pick flowers to win his girl's affection foreshadowing around halfway through. I had one of those stoner "duuuuuude" moments when I saw it in the movie. Overall though book gets a solid 6/10 and the movie a 5/10.
You don't need to read the Greeks, but you should read about them. The most you need to do is read Plato's Republic and The Apology. Everything else will supplement your understanding of western literature and philosophy but isn't necessary and can be summarized in a few paragraphs.
Even if its light adventure comics it deserves to be
on the list.
Posting this here 'cause there's no qtddtot and I don't want to start a new one.
Does anyone know of a good book on Cesare Borgia? Non-fiction or fiction that involves him and portrays him accurately.