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Chart thread. I'm dumping, also requesting Kierkegaard must-reads.
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>>7604305
Anyone have the Inferno translation guide?
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>>7604307
here you go, i think this is it
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>>7604313
Muh nigga
I've been looking for this for a while. Thanks anon
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>>7604305
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Any charts for comfy books?
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>>7604305
One of my favorite charts
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>>7604325
Anyone have the lit version?
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>>7604305
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>>7604351
not necessarily representative of my opinions
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>>7604340
Forgot my contribution.
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Are there rec guides for non-Western books? I'd like to learn more about stuff not written in the US/Europe/Russia.

Ideally stuff from the Third World.
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>>7604365
Requesting the Contemporary Chinese Lit one for this guy.
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>>7604365
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>>7604305
chart posting was a mistake.
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CHING CHONG
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>>7604383
I'm new here but an avid reader.
Is it a necessary precondition to start with the Greeks?
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>>7604305
>recommendations by color
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>>7604383
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>>7604305
dumb idea but there are actually some really good recommendations here
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>>7604404
It doesn't really matter if it's a precondition or not since the Greeks are greatly entertaining.

If you want to read philosophy reading the Greeks is necessary since everything after them very much builds on the Greeks and reading their mythology, the Iliad etc. is necessary to understand their culture and what made them think and reason the way they did, you can easily draw comparisons between the Bible and the Iliad as far as ancient Greece is concerned, it was greatly important to them and influenced their way of life. Also it's fun to read.
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>>7604418
>dumb idea

think twice
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>>7604313
>>7604327
>>7604307

2.0 might come soonTM get hype
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>>7604432
for real nobody thinks "I'm gonna read a green book today" and pops open /lit/ to see what green books there are.
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>>7604325
Off topic but does a music version exist? I've only seen the book version of this before.
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>>7604438
If you are not sorting your books by size and/or color you are a pleb of the highest order
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>>7604316
>not having the best erotica book of all time: 50 shades of grey
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>>7604447
I separate paperbacks and hardcovers, separate these into fiction, nonfiction, and theater, and finally alphabetize it author then title. do you dare challenge my autism?
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>>7604447
>>7604472
I sort them by height. Is that weird?
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>>7604417
Is the Fagles translation of the Illiad any good?
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>>7604497
no that's what I did when I was low on shelf space. Now I've got more space and find the paperback/hardcover split removes most of the problem with books being different sizes, though some of the really large paperbacks have to hang with the hardcovers.
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>>7604497
No, it's the right way to do it.

>>7604502
It's easy to read and a solid Iliad experience if you've never read it before, you can't really go wrong with Fagles.

Lattimore is a more literal translation, Pope is a remake that's good in it's own right but has nothing to do with the original.

Merill is apparently also beautiful but I haven't read that version myself, also some people like Fitzgerald's Homer and I haven't read that one either.
Chapman is another one that some people like but I don't believe it's as popular as some of the other ones I've mentioned.
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>>7604519
Cheers anon, that's helpful.
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>>7604310
>angry nerd with no friends to buy him weed accidentally recommends a few good books

'okay'
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>>7604417
Very good, but the Philosophy section is shit, and I'd (out of preference) have Fitzgerald over Pope.
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>>7604328
These ones always entertain me. I may make one or two.
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>>7604365
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>>7604357
>Sienkiewicz higher than lvl 0
His books are Tolkien tier accesible at their best.
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OC material coming through
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Is there a Dutch literature reading list?
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>>7605164
Interesting.
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>>7604357
this list has some b8 on it though
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>>7605085
>dudeweedlmaofags
Quentin was right
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>>7605214
seems very helpful, thanks !

I've read "The crying of lot 49", really liked it, but didn't know how to proceed
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>>7605243
oops wrong chart
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inspired by the Pynchon one, I created one for T Mann
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>>7605257
why on earth would you tell people to start with Buddenbrooks. Terrible chart man, switch 1 and 2.
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>>7605260
I love the Buddenbrooks, started with this book and was hooked

read some short stories from before Buddenbrooks first, but in retrospect if I didn't like these 19/20th century German vibes they wouldn't do anything for me
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>>7605257
Joseph and His Brothers not as good as the above mentioned?
Bullshit, and you know it.
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>>7605164
why bother with the film versions of these books?
unless that was an accident
I for one can tell you that Fellini's interpretation of Satyricon is not about master/slave relationships
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>>7605240
Glad I could help.
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>>7605309
The title wasn't meant in a Hegelian sense, but a satirical one -- meant for humour rather than something to be taken seriously.

I chose the Fellini Satyricon as it is a preparation for further works, like a cold shower or slap on the ass before a baseball match; it also fits with the others, and allows one to alternate between the written and visual. I'm aware it is not a Hegelian film.
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> needing infographs/reading guides
> not just going to your local bookstore and seeing what you find with no preconceptions

delete this thread
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>>7604310
> when I take a tolerance break I'm gonna try GR

my sides
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>>7605380
How pleb can you get?
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>>7605268
>>7605267
>>7605260
>>7605257
updated version for an average reader (less subjective)
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>>7605422
Why would you start with Tonio Kroger and not Death in Venice?

Death in Venice -> 1+2 short stories if you want (optional) -> Buddenbrooks -> Magic Mountain -> Doctor Faustus -> Joseph -> Optional everything else

John E. Woods translations when available (Buddenbrooks/Magic Mountain/Doctor Faustus/Joseph)
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>>7605422
>>7605427
>>7605268
>>7605267
>>7605260
>>7605257

The only Mann novel I have in my bookshelf is The Holy Sinner. Anyone read it? Is it good?
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>>7605455
it's one of his later works and dealt a lot with medieval allegory, catholicism/the catholic church, and magic/occult. not recommended to start with until you have a decent familiarity with mann's other works since it veers on the esoteric side.
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>>7605427
I think Tonio Kroeger gives a better impression of Mann's early works (especially Buddenbrooks), and early Mann is the place to start with Mann

also (unpopular opinion) I like the film Death in Venice more that the short story

anyway, they're both mentioned at point 1. so could be read interchangeably

>>7605455
that's Der Erwaehlte in German right? it's a very stylised work, personally I liked it a lot but certainly not the place to start and not really representative of Mann's ~oeuvre

In his diaries he talks about it as if it was a half-satire
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More /co/ than /lit/ but whatever.
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>>7605466
>>7605480
Thanks for the replies, guess I'll hold off on reading it until later.
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>>7605468
For every fucking great choice here, there's at least two horrible ones, The fact that there's nothing here by the Strugatsky Brothers is pretty much the most disqualifying thing you could do. Flowers for Algernon is only as much science fiction as A Wrinkle in Time. Asimov's an overrated hack, too
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>>7605522
was with you until the asimov part desu. you take that back you dirty slut.
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>>7605481
>100% /co/
>0% /lit/
how about this
>>>/co/
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>>7605164
The soul's natural motion is not linear, nor circular, but that of a spiral.

t. Hermes Trismegistus
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>>7605883
Actually it's a series of loop the loops

t. Herminus Trisotinus
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>>7604328
Not that these are bad books, but what was the idea behind it?
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>>7605984
To transcend into Golden-being
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>>7605244
>tfw doing an english degree puts me in mamas proud
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>>7605991
flowerposter is a well known fraud don't listen to anything he says
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>>7604403
Wish that I could find that version of Notes. The current vintage cover is ugly as sin. That Stranger is nice though, anyone know the version?
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>the current year
>not consuming the Bread Pill and receiving all of its nourishment
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>>7605522
>The fact that there's nothing here by the Strugatsky Brothers
that's an odd way to spell Lem
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>>7606014
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>>7605459
> Christian 'Spirituality' books
> No Rudolf Otto
What is this shit?
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>>7606061
Who the fuck is he?
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>>7606078
He wrote 'The Idea of the Holy', a very important book about Christian religious experience and concepts of god. It's pretty technical, but easily worth a read for someone interested in exploring 'Spirituality' in a Christian context.
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>>7604305
pink is red+white, not magenta.
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Anyone have a philosophy chart?
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>>7605243
Terry Riley isn't ambient you goof.
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Any chart on anarchism?
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>>7605481

If you put RanXerox you have to mention Tamburini also, not only Liberatore.
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>>7606242
This chart is all you need: >>7605164
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>>7604357
>DFW level 2

he may be a meme but truly understanding his work is truly challenging
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>>7604403
why Raymond Carver and Joan Didion? looks like the creator of that just threw in some of their personal favorite authors
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>>7606366
no it's not. just because you've barely read anything doesn't dfw is difficult or brilliant or important when compared to the entire corpus of literature
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>>7604310
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Does anyone have anything on consciousness?

I've been reading Descartes and Gilbert Ryle on this, recently got into Rousseau (although his view is mostly in political contexts)
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>>7606058
Thank you. I plan on attending confession and mass this weekend after not practising for many years.
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>>7605214
>this black and white Penguin edition below has an error(s?)

oh no, how bad is it?
Does it change it in an important way or is it just a small thing that bothers some people.
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>>7604423
>English Qabalah
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>>7606058
Any Orthodox reading list?
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>>7604423
do people still believe in this
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>>7605258
the only McElroy work I own is Women and Men; is there really any compelling reason not to just jump in at the deep end and read it first?
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>>7606904
No, just read it and be the judge.
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>>7604325
I don't understand why the structure of this chart implies that a more experimental style is superior.
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>>7604404
If you don't care about getting the fullest, deepest meaning out of what you're reading then skip them, by all means. If you want to truly understand and appreciate everything else you're reading, then yes, start with the Greeks.
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Any recommendations for someone looking for a less challenging/involved read? A nice short novel?
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>>7606058
>Catholic reading chart
>No Bible
Heretic status confirmed
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>>7607408
In no way does it imply that.
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>>7606058

Why is the Silmarillion put into Christian and Catholic literature charts? Not to say that they're bad, I've never read Tolkien
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>>7606416
>doesn't dfw is difficult
>there's a lot of good books ergo dfw is easy
>popular books are inherently bad
ok
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>>7604307
Just use The Princeton Dante Project, it is the best option
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>>7606403
I can only speculate but they sort of fit the "good and accessible but not an obvious babbys first lit" thing the list is going for. Also Didion's a better journalist/essayist replacement for the previous list's hunter s thompson.
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>>7606843
It used to be missing sentences but recent printings have fixed it.
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>>7605243
>No Tim Hecker


WHAT THE FUCK
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>>7606857
>>7606857
I haven't seen one but I would be interested.
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>>7607611
Tolkien was a devout Catholic and many people have interpreted his works as reflecting this.
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>>7606193
Is there a conservative/right wing list?
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>>7608010
yes
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>>7604358
some bangers on this list, senpai.
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>>7604519
>>7604502
>Fagles
You're really cramping my style.
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>>7607991
He applies Christian morality but other than that there's hardly any Christian elements in it. He ain't cs lewis.
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anyone have a good intro-philosophy chart?
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>>7608047
>>7604383
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Someone do a contemporary Scandinavian lit chart, there was one a while ago and I found Torgny Lindgren there.
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>>7608047
>nietzsche > hegel > heiidiger > sartre > witgenstein

eccuse pelling
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>>7608105
>how to be a total pleb

fucking lmao
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>>7605107
you ever read quo vadis, you pleb?
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>>7608112
The guy asked for intro shitface. das gooi intro.
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>>7608185
A good intro if your goal is to be a massive retard
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>>7608197
Okay, why? Easy mode: try without insults.
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>>7608105
Literally that kid that reads a shitty translation of "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", doesn't understand anything and proceeds to act all enlightened
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>>7608204
Nietz is good starting point for anybody interested in phil, your wholee post is projection
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>>7608208
>>7608201
>>7608185
>>7608105
This is pretty good bait
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>>7608212
Different Anon here, one who hasn't read any philosophy, why is that such bad advice?
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>>7605263

>Vollmann

Very nice. I want to see you to make an even complete chart one day Anon. I need guidance.
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>>7608047
Story of Philosophy - Bryan Magee
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>>7607544
Because people really need to be told to read it and they need to look up a list for it.
>>7608036
Silmarillion, especially in the beginning is extremely religious in nature. His devotion was seeping there.
>>7606857
They don't seem to write that much, it's basically Dostoevsky and the Philokalia. That's what I've seen them post. Timothy Wheare or something like that too, but that's it.
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>>7606193
ohbby I just bought those zizeks I'm excited for the descent into communism
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>>7608275
The guy who made the chart said it was because Catholic laymen aren't supposed to read the Bible
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>>7608281
This isn't a Catholic layman reading list and as I'm the guy who made the list I can tell that you are lying.
I've said that it's redundant to add the bible as a recommendation for any Christian related reading as it goes without saying.
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>>7606867
Of course. They got Trump through. No joke.

When he wins it's really going to go to shit.
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>>7608319
Guess there was a guy pretending it was his, or maybe that was another chart.

He said something about average people having no right to read the Bible when they can go to church.
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>>7608325
I made this particular chart and never claimed that.
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>>7608325
Sounds like Proddy talk to me.....
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>>7607536
the subterraneans by kerouac
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>>7605107
>The Deluge
>Tokein Tier

k
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>>7606193
>The Soul of Man Under Socialism
>Leftist
Every time
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Any chart on existencialism?
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http://imgur.com/a/l2I86
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>>7604310
I just finished ASD last night and watched the movie this morning. I totally missed the psychiatrist recommending to Fred that he pick flowers to win his girl's affection foreshadowing around halfway through. I had one of those stoner "duuuuuude" moments when I saw it in the movie. Overall though book gets a solid 6/10 and the movie a 5/10.
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>>7608012
>putting Hayek side by side with Evola
This, in a nutshell, is why conservatism is dead - nobody actually knows what the fuck 'the right' is.
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>>7610083
>conservatism is dead
Check your Americentrism.
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>>7606193
>Paulo Freire
possibly the biggest meme of all time
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>>7610194
I'm British.
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>>7605984
/pol/
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>>7610233
>conservatism is dead
>I'm British
>Meanwhile the British conservative party literally wiping the floor with Labours dead body
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>>7604404
You don't need to read the Greeks, but you should read about them. The most you need to do is read Plato's Republic and The Apology. Everything else will supplement your understanding of western literature and philosophy but isn't necessary and can be summarized in a few paragraphs.
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>>7610247
What he means is that his specific, personal concept of what Conservatism should be is dead. It probably never existed either.
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>>7610250
MEME
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>>7610212
why is that? I've heard about him during uni and that's all
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>>7610380
Fuck off you Swedish cretin.
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>>7604325
Is there another Corra besides Henry Corra?
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>>7610380
He basically sees the high education (liberal education) model as fascist.
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>>7610247
>Conservatism
>The Conservative Party
choose one
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>>7604310
I feel like I'm being personally attacked and I don't even smoke weed.
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>>7605481
Even if its light adventure comics it deserves to be
on the list.
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>>7607408
read the top right
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>>7610083
This isn't a conservative reading list, this is a right wing list and right wing is both misleading and encompassing many often contradictory authors.
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Is there a \lit\ guide to horror books
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>>7614011
Or like lovecratf\logecraftian
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>>7604305
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>>7614214
Looking back on this, Singularity 7 should be replaced with BLAME!
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anyone have a guide to loneliness or the like?
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>>7604325
Clearly made by someone who hasn't seen much film
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>>7604423
>no mnemonics
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>>7605481
>tfw my chart was saved

>>7605767
Co is shit-tier in terms of comics, they only like capeshit. These have a literary value, especially Toppi who made adaptations of popular tales (1001 Nights for Sharaz-De)
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>>7606058
>no Bernanos
>shit tier quality pics
Please
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>>7613454
It's not eye porn
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>>7604442
just drone the "artsy" people on rate your music.
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>>7605767
>Manu Larcenet
>Enki Bilal
>Jodorowsky
>Sfar
>not /lit/ as fuck

Man...
I feel kinda sorry for you.

Also
>Tardi
>owes a lot to Louis Ferdinand CĂ©line
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>>7615673
>Eye porn

Oppose to?
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Hey /lit/, i'm a faggot who has lately been learning Jap, what is some good japanese literature that doesnt overuse too much kanji?
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Posting this here 'cause there's no qtddtot and I don't want to start a new one.

Does anyone know of a good book on Cesare Borgia? Non-fiction or fiction that involves him and portrays him accurately.
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>>7604357
Joyce later work means Finnegans Wake?
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Is there a PoMo chart?
Is there a PoMo chart that also includes origins (shit like Borges, Kafka and Joyce)?
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>>7608012
>nonfiction without Mises and Friedman
>no Hayek's The Road to Serfdom
Shit chart.
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>>7615850
Children's books.
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>>7608217
Because philosophers tend build on the philosophies established by earlier thinkers. For many continental philosophers you must have certain foundations before reading.
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http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
Here's the ready list an orthodox tripfag from /his/
setup.
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>>7618141
*reading
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