>try to write as meticulously and thoughtfully as possible >end up with perfect sentences and story that's moving along well >tfw work at a terribly slow pace and can't get anything done in a reasonable amount of time this way
>try to let myself lose and get the words flow out >get a great amount of work done >tfw errors everywhere, story's messy as shit, and overall looks like the ramblings of a madman
Give up. If you aren't absolutely filled to the brim, and feel like you're going to explode or go crazy unless you write, then don't bother with it in the first place. If you're in love with some idea of the literary lifestyle, or of being a published author, and you're not writing because you absolutely feel like you _must_, and you might die if you don't, then don't write at all. What you produce will probably be pleasing to no one. Isn't the fact that you can't make it past 200 words proof that you're not a writer?
>You must be born to write. You can't teach someone to know how to use words effectively and beautifully. You can help people who can write to write more effectively and you can probably teach people a lot of little tips for writing a novel, but I don't think somebody who cannot write and does not care for words can ever be made into a writer. It just is not possible. Nobody could make me into a musician. Somebody might be able to teach me how to play the piano reasonably well after a lot of effort, but they can't make a musician out of me and you cannot make a writer, I do feel that very profoundly. P. D. James
>>7594511 I think that's dumb. All this copypasta spreads is the myth that writers are "unique animals who are totally artsy", people who are full of their "muse", not some everyday person, "pah!". I can see that "writers" love to spread it because it massages their ego and self-love.
The myth totally ignores that writing is hard, often unpleasant work, work you'd rather not do. It's a job you do by putting your ass down on the chair and forcing yourself to write, not because you feel that you "must". Do you think Stephen King published a bazillion books because he felt that he "must" write all that crap?
Everyone's first draft is shit. Stephen King? He shits out a first draft just like you. JK Rowling? She didn't write any of the Harry Potter books in one single, perfect, God's-gift-to-lit draft. Any writer you can think of always - always - writes a first draft that is complete and utter shit. If you can knock out a first draft, you're doing better than the people too afraid to do even that.
Nut the fuck up and keep going. You can always make your writing better via editing. But you won't have a goddamn thing to edit if you don't metaphorically bend over your keyboard and take a dump.
I usually spend a few dozen hours planning things out, writing tangential essays that convey the point I'm trying to make, thinking about the structure of what I'm going to write, things like this. By the time I come to 'write', it's a done deal.
>>7595169 In On Writing King does indeed say that you can't really teach taste, but he also says that you have to do the work, put your ass down and write as much as possible every day, I think the opposite of this whole "write only if you must" shtick
Have a clear meaning. Develop the idea in your mind before writing anything. Let the images and metaphors go wild. Search for something pure and true. When you can no longer stay still, your head about to implode, then you vomit it on the paper. It will be shit. Don't care about that. All writing is rewriting and that's just how it is.
>>7594482 I have a problem where I'm able to grind out 1000-2000 words at a time, but when I look over it, I get extremely self-conscious and start to wonder whether or not my story actually makes sense and whether or not the themes of my story are actually valid. I've written a couple of short stories, but I've never fully been able to flesh them out and completely finish this because of this insecurity.
>get idea >feel like I've never had such a good idea before >think about it nonstop for two weeks >sit down >try to start it >keep rewriting the first sentence over and over >it's shit >lose heart >come back a week later >600 words >it's actually good >think another two weeks >come back >1000 more words >it's better and getting easier >overflowing with ideas for it >tfw gonna make it
>>7594482 I don't look at what I write until my writing quota is filled for the day. And even then I don't get rid of it until the entire story is done, where everything gets edited in the second draft. But I also spend a lot more time planning my stories and characters than most, so that might help.
>be me >write 65 thousand words book >"dayum im james royce. suck me orwell. im best writer" >it's utter garbage which would not be tolerated even on an indian slums street >send it to editor for miracle >editor shits on it with me >we laugh and throw the entire thing away >mfw im unemployed
Help me, /lit/. I can't even look at that shit anymore. I feel ashamed when I read a single page.
Writing for me has been an exercise of stress tolerance. But sadly I don't have the ten years to give. I have barely 3. I never wrote anything regularly (I only wrote a few oneshot fanfictions and regular nonfictional work).
I swear my plots are not bad. But I can't enjoy them and it corrodes the quality of the literature. I'm currently writing a comedy and it drifts into a tragedy because my state of spirit is not in accordance to what I'm writing. I feel like a fraud.
I don't have ten years to give. I have 2 months.
Is there an example of a well-written fictional book or an example of book on writing which I can read to improve with theory and examplification?
>>7597116 Rent money is ending. Unemployed in a depressed country. Depressed myself (which is worse). Struggling everyday to leave bed. Dropped off college. Low IQ scab. Can only repeat and apply what more intelligent folks make.
>>7597152 >Hard to tell you this but without standards your lack of discipline is a thought you have used to define yourself. Let's hope it is just language used without responsibility and not truth.
dang, nope I haven't finished my first novel. I haven't planned arcs, or proper conclusions and development. I'm a real novice coming to all this with mild ambitions, but a real want and like for creating stories. I'm just unprincipled
>Be OP >Be frustrated for a week with writing etc. >Make this thread >Try to write today on paper with stopping myself without stopping to look/correct as told >Write a bunch >Decide not to be a pussybitch and pass it to the comp to wordcount >It's 1500 words Doumo arigatou, minna-san.
>>7594511 The key to this is that you have to accept, deep in your bones, that you'll never be successful. Know that it's not going to work, know that you'll be working a day job for your whole life and just be in that headspace for weeks. Try not to think about writing. If you forget about it then it wasn't for you. If you find yourself still despite your intent, thinking of stories and scenes and characters that you want to write. Then go back to writing. Because the assumptions you had were, statistically speaking, probably right. Odds are you won't be a success. Odds are you'll never even be published. But now it won't matter because now you know why you're actually doing it. Because you want to write. This is the point where you have to pick up some discipline. Now you know you truly want to write just for the joy of writing. But that joy is elusive, it takes real work and effort to keep coming back to the chore of churning out those words just for those bursts of joy when it actually works or when you've finished something. You have to discipline yourself to write often even when you don't feel like it, and you have to do it just because you want to be better than you were. And after all that, after you've accepted your drive and learned to discipline it, then you actually have a shot at being a success. The odds are still against if, but now there's a chance. Only because you accept that it doesn't matter whether there's a chance or not.
This is going to sound dumb and maybe even juvenile, but try to have fun with it. People forget that it's fun to write and create, even with all the mindfuckery and self doubt.
If you're like most people, you feel excited as hell when you first think of an idea, and while it is still swimming in your head, you're having fun unraveling it, and thinking of the possibilities.
Some years ago my best friend and I wrote a comic book together (just wrote it, was planning on looking for an artist later). It was honestly some of the most fun I have ever had. I would think of the story all day and we would meet at our local coffee house at night, sorting it out, writing it. It was a blast.
Yeah, yeah, writing is all tragic and maybe the most depressed people full of anguish make the best "art"...but I have been homeless, addicted to crack and oxy's and all that shit. I dont feel very inspired when I think back on those times.
When I relax and have fun, have fun in the process, in the creation, I work better. And that is the point. The brickwall will come. The struggle to get your words out will come. But have fun with it, sorting out the puzzle.
>>7594482 i'm going to guess you're a beginning writer making beginner mistakes. >don't try to sound poetic or smart. the first leads to purple prose, the second to vocabulary no one actually uses outside of academia or history >as others have said, revise later >try plotting/outlining first so that you know where you're going >read books on writing >try imitating other writers >a rough draft is exploration, not set in stone. play instead of work.
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